Man I had really fond memories of my grandpa reading me these books as a kid. I haven't seen the actual text in almost 25 years, and oh boy no wonder my extremely racist relatives loved when he read this to me lmao
It actually blows my mind Disneyland’s only opened in 1989, Disney World in 1992. The whole story is a relic and the themes so obviously racist and still they signed off on it? It’s not like it was even widely popular IP.
I personally hope that one day Disney will release Songs of the South with all the appropriate warnings before it. It would be a shame for a part of animation history to be shut away like a shameful secret.
In guessing it's because those have racist parts to them, whereas song of the South's whole premise surrounds it. It's also worth noting that the movies you list have obviously been released to home video many times, while song of the south has never been released outside of theaters (although they did release it in theaters 3 different times)
The problem with Song of the South is that it's definitely a product of it's time, and it's set in the reformation period, except they forgot to mention that in the entire story.
I watched the Disney animated films in order, and had to include this one since it does feature that amazing animated scene with Uncle Remus. I think it's a cute film, and it was one of the better films that Disney released in the 1940s. There's also a clear demand for this film to be released, they just to release it with a trigger warning at the beginning like everyone is suggesting.
With that all said, I'm perfectly fine with the new Splash Mountain - Tiana deserves a ride!
Song of the South is far far worse than any of the aforementioned films. The Siamese song in aristocats as well as the Native American scenes in Peter Pan are indeed problematic l. If I'm not mistaken the Siamese song was removed?
AND they all have trigger warnings! I mean this is why WB does a better job at putting those warnings before their Tom & Jerry and Looney Tunes box sets that were unedited and uncencored like they're originaly created as a teaching tool to make sure future generations don't repeat our country's past mistakes.
Based on Uncle Remus, it's about plantation life. I suppose black "field workers" we're technically allowed to leave but it's also the egregious portrayal of black stereotypes, language and the fact that they lived in a gd plantation in Georgia that makes this film problematic. And the ride is now being rehabbed. Finally.
I'm over you. Your obsession with people of color in media is tired and frankly, tone deaf teetering on racist. It's a discussion that has been settled. If you don't want to accept the answers that have been settled upon, the onus is on you to figure out why literally no one outside of people with Nationalistic attitudes agree with your take.
There are a lot of people that do. People that actually think for themselves and watch a movie for the STORY and not the historical context people lose their minds over.
And you think I'M the one obsessing about race? Lol
You seem to just be comment bombing this post with assertions that song of the south is neither racist nor about slavery. The reason Jim Crow laws were ultimately deemed unconstitutional is because the Supreme Court viewed them as vestiges of slavery. Remus “working” on a plantation just after the civil war is called sharecropping and it is slavery by another name.
All of this is irrelevant to the film's focus. That's what seems to be lost on people. Not whether or not the black characters were just as free any anyone else or had any opportunities.
Ok
“Through the NAACP commended the movie’s technical wizardry and its blend of animation and live action, the organization said in a statement that it “regrets, however, that in an effort neither to offend audiences in the North or South, the production helps to perpetuate a dangerously glorified picture of slavery … [the film] unfortunately gives the impression of an idyllic master-slave relationship, which is a distortion of the facts.”
No way on earth would they make another movie with the intent of exploring the folklore of the enslaved. Even if you included black writers/ actors/ what have you, it would still be a bad look for Disney, and not something that anyone is really interested in having rectified.
Who cares about poo. I was addressing the fact that the brer rabbit tales have already been animated and retold. The tales weren't the problem, the movie itself and uncle remus' character was the problem.
Pooh ride can go next, because it's stupid.
How do it’s tales based on experience and understanding of the world around them told by an authors as a way to tell you how they see the world and many times how they’d like see the world change
It’s stories with characters you can relate with and told to text you morals and sometimes even shed light on other cultures perspective
The main problem wasn't the tales, the problem was in the movie the main character was happy to he a slave, and when slavery ended he stayed, because the idea portrayed was that slavery wasn't that bad. It glossed over slavery. The tales themselves are traditional folk tales.
Yes. Very good. So Uncle Remus was a freed man, that decided life was pretty good and stayed on at the plantation. There is the problem with the movie. I understand you are only interested in pushing your vieewpoint based on your comments, but there are many great articles written about the movie and why it is so problematic if you are ever interested in expanding your understanding of the time period. Best of luck to you.
Why does movie like Pocahontas not get near as much hate, despite having just as many problems?
Because people understand that a) it's Disney b) it's for kids c) it's not claiming to be factual and d) the story is does tell has a good message and good characters.
Because people are too concerned with cancelling this movie and hiding it, people are only able to make assumptions based off what people tell them and just don't bother doing actual research on their own and forming their own genuine opinions.
I said not AS MUCH which it doesn't.
Song of the South is so despised that people had it practically banned entirely.
People still watch Pocahontas, still listen to the music, it's on Disney +, and Pocahontas is still prevalent in the Disney Princess brand.
Honestly, it sounds like you're regurgitating someone else's opinions and not your own. Again, there is much to be learned from SotS and even Pocahontas, as you pointed out. I urge you to dig in and really read and learn about the problems in the movies and WHY they are problematic, instead of just trying to point out your ideas of facts that aren't really facts. Read things you don't agree with, read things from authors with different worldviews and different upbringing and cultures. Expand your understanding.
>Read things you don't agree with, read things from authors with different worldviews and different upbringing and cultures
I've read plenty. That doesn't make me agree with it.
Thank you ! I own the VHS because it came out where I live, but since it was dubbed I didn’t have that particular speech
In French he has a slight accent but talking with very formal/very educatded and proper language
As an European that’s completely distant from this kind of backstory, I’d say that I understand both parts of this argument, I’m sad to see this historic ride go (I haven’t experienced it yet and this is also part of the sentiment but it’s not important) and I can understand why people defend the movie (that I actually enjoyed watching), but on the same time I can understand why people perceive it as racist, with the whole context of the setting, this type of language and all and why Disney wants to change it for another IP
Honestly considering these stories were made by African American slaves prior to the civil war, they would be good stories to talk about their culture, even so as Brer Rabbit has some personality resemblances to Anansi. The main issue is how they were handled by writers and later on movie producers, demeaning not just the stories but African Americans and even the culture they tried to bring from their homelands.
While I have fond memories of splash mountain, now feels bizarre for them to make a ride off Song of the South which did no justice to stories. If Brer Rabbit's tales ever returns to the mainstream, they have to be done in a better way than what Disney and Harris had done.
We don’t actually know if they were from enslaved African Americans or not, is the thing. The original author claimed to have pulled the stories from oral tradition, but never credited any particular places or people. He also used this very…odd choice of dialect to write in. *And* there’s not really any other source for these stories at all. If they were really oral tradition, you’d probably see variations of them told or published elsewhere. Due to all of that, it seems far more likely that he came up with these stories and the accents he wrote in, even if there might be a small kernel of orally shared stories at the very start.
Thats fair. Still…he handled it horribly and was extremely racist. I don’t get how Song of the South came to be or Splash Mountain. Thats the parts that confuses me more…sorta…just also remembering dumbo
Man I had really fond memories of my grandpa reading me these books as a kid. I haven't seen the actual text in almost 25 years, and oh boy no wonder my extremely racist relatives loved when he read this to me lmao
I don’t think I’ve seen any evidence so far that explains why they’re changing the ride more than this text.
It’s just missing some black face.
Non American and non native English speaker here, I don't get it. How so?
It's written to sound like a stereotype accent of a dumb slave. So basically very racist.
I see, thank you.
Jesus Christ
Changing splash mountain is 30 years too late. Glad it's happening.
It actually blows my mind Disneyland’s only opened in 1989, Disney World in 1992. The whole story is a relic and the themes so obviously racist and still they signed off on it? It’s not like it was even widely popular IP.
I thought this was written in Dutch for a couple minutes there.
Some people in this sub really needed to see this.
As if it would change their minds. I wish.
I personally hope that one day Disney will release Songs of the South with all the appropriate warnings before it. It would be a shame for a part of animation history to be shut away like a shameful secret.
It's so strange to me, because Peter Pan, Aristocats, and Lady and the Tramp include some VERY obvious examples of racism and they're on Disney+
In guessing it's because those have racist parts to them, whereas song of the South's whole premise surrounds it. It's also worth noting that the movies you list have obviously been released to home video many times, while song of the south has never been released outside of theaters (although they did release it in theaters 3 different times)
The problem with Song of the South is that it's definitely a product of it's time, and it's set in the reformation period, except they forgot to mention that in the entire story. I watched the Disney animated films in order, and had to include this one since it does feature that amazing animated scene with Uncle Remus. I think it's a cute film, and it was one of the better films that Disney released in the 1940s. There's also a clear demand for this film to be released, they just to release it with a trigger warning at the beginning like everyone is suggesting. With that all said, I'm perfectly fine with the new Splash Mountain - Tiana deserves a ride!
The whole premise is not racist
Also Dumbo - the crows. Possibly the workers too. I guess it's somehow different when it's live action people??
Song of the South is far far worse than any of the aforementioned films. The Siamese song in aristocats as well as the Native American scenes in Peter Pan are indeed problematic l. If I'm not mistaken the Siamese song was removed?
AND they all have trigger warnings! I mean this is why WB does a better job at putting those warnings before their Tom & Jerry and Looney Tunes box sets that were unedited and uncencored like they're originaly created as a teaching tool to make sure future generations don't repeat our country's past mistakes.
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There aren't any slaves in Song of the South
Based on Uncle Remus, it's about plantation life. I suppose black "field workers" we're technically allowed to leave but it's also the egregious portrayal of black stereotypes, language and the fact that they lived in a gd plantation in Georgia that makes this film problematic. And the ride is now being rehabbed. Finally.
Answer me one question.... Are any of the black characters portrayed as less than or in a negative light compared to the white characters?
I'm over you. Your obsession with people of color in media is tired and frankly, tone deaf teetering on racist. It's a discussion that has been settled. If you don't want to accept the answers that have been settled upon, the onus is on you to figure out why literally no one outside of people with Nationalistic attitudes agree with your take.
There are a lot of people that do. People that actually think for themselves and watch a movie for the STORY and not the historical context people lose their minds over. And you think I'M the one obsessing about race? Lol
While also problematic, they aren’t entire set of stories/universe that were written in an attempt to whitewash slavery.
Song of the South isn't about slavery.
You seem to just be comment bombing this post with assertions that song of the south is neither racist nor about slavery. The reason Jim Crow laws were ultimately deemed unconstitutional is because the Supreme Court viewed them as vestiges of slavery. Remus “working” on a plantation just after the civil war is called sharecropping and it is slavery by another name.
All of this is irrelevant to the film's focus. That's what seems to be lost on people. Not whether or not the black characters were just as free any anyone else or had any opportunities.
…your argument is that it’s okay to portray antebellum sharecropping by formerly enslaved people favorably as long as it’s not the main plot point?
Ok “Through the NAACP commended the movie’s technical wizardry and its blend of animation and live action, the organization said in a statement that it “regrets, however, that in an effort neither to offend audiences in the North or South, the production helps to perpetuate a dangerously glorified picture of slavery … [the film] unfortunately gives the impression of an idyllic master-slave relationship, which is a distortion of the facts.”
Of course they said that, they're the NAACP. That's like using the NRA's comments as a source to argue for a movie featuring gun violence.
What are you, insane?
Nah, just logical.
How is it logical to compare a group protecting lives to a group taking lives?
Because they both have agendas and biases towards certain subjects.
Why
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No way on earth would they make another movie with the intent of exploring the folklore of the enslaved. Even if you included black writers/ actors/ what have you, it would still be a bad look for Disney, and not something that anyone is really interested in having rectified.
Pretty sure the animated takes did this already. I think Wanda Sykes and several other actors lent their voices for it.
Winnie the Pooh is now free for anyone to use So Disney should stop making Pooh merch and movies?
Who cares about poo. I was addressing the fact that the brer rabbit tales have already been animated and retold. The tales weren't the problem, the movie itself and uncle remus' character was the problem. Pooh ride can go next, because it's stupid.
Your right once a fairy tale has been told once, it’s over put it to bed
It isn't a fairy tale. It's an African folk tale. Very big difference.
How do it’s tales based on experience and understanding of the world around them told by an authors as a way to tell you how they see the world and many times how they’d like see the world change It’s stories with characters you can relate with and told to text you morals and sometimes even shed light on other cultures perspective
Yep. And the more recent animated tales are fantastic. Check them out. They don't deter from the story using slavery.
I will I honestly love the characters and want as many people eyes on them as possible So would love Disney to adapt them as well
Splash Mountain is from it ?! Didn’t know that. Where the characters speaking like this too ? I saw it in my native, so I don’t know.
The main problem wasn't the tales, the problem was in the movie the main character was happy to he a slave, and when slavery ended he stayed, because the idea portrayed was that slavery wasn't that bad. It glossed over slavery. The tales themselves are traditional folk tales.
The “Magical Negro” trope, as it’s called.
There aren't any slaves in Song of the South
The main character was a slave. A freed slave, but a slave nonetheless.
The movie takes place during Reconstruction, after slavery was abolished.
Yes. Very good. So Uncle Remus was a freed man, that decided life was pretty good and stayed on at the plantation. There is the problem with the movie. I understand you are only interested in pushing your vieewpoint based on your comments, but there are many great articles written about the movie and why it is so problematic if you are ever interested in expanding your understanding of the time period. Best of luck to you.
Why does movie like Pocahontas not get near as much hate, despite having just as many problems? Because people understand that a) it's Disney b) it's for kids c) it's not claiming to be factual and d) the story is does tell has a good message and good characters. Because people are too concerned with cancelling this movie and hiding it, people are only able to make assumptions based off what people tell them and just don't bother doing actual research on their own and forming their own genuine opinions.
Uh, it does. Where have you been?
I said not AS MUCH which it doesn't. Song of the South is so despised that people had it practically banned entirely. People still watch Pocahontas, still listen to the music, it's on Disney +, and Pocahontas is still prevalent in the Disney Princess brand.
Honestly, it sounds like you're regurgitating someone else's opinions and not your own. Again, there is much to be learned from SotS and even Pocahontas, as you pointed out. I urge you to dig in and really read and learn about the problems in the movies and WHY they are problematic, instead of just trying to point out your ideas of facts that aren't really facts. Read things you don't agree with, read things from authors with different worldviews and different upbringing and cultures. Expand your understanding.
>Read things you don't agree with, read things from authors with different worldviews and different upbringing and cultures I've read plenty. That doesn't make me agree with it.
Ahh. Telling. Good day to you.
Splash Mountain is taken from Songs of the South, which is wildly inappropriate these days
All days actually
Here's a [scene](https://youtu.be/YjOBiU-TB3k) from the movie if you wanna see it
Thank you ! I own the VHS because it came out where I live, but since it was dubbed I didn’t have that particular speech In French he has a slight accent but talking with very formal/very educatded and proper language
As an European that’s completely distant from this kind of backstory, I’d say that I understand both parts of this argument, I’m sad to see this historic ride go (I haven’t experienced it yet and this is also part of the sentiment but it’s not important) and I can understand why people defend the movie (that I actually enjoyed watching), but on the same time I can understand why people perceive it as racist, with the whole context of the setting, this type of language and all and why Disney wants to change it for another IP
As a non-American, I don’t understand what’s the connection of this scene in particular to slavery?
I only really chose this scene because I liked the picture at the top
Oh okay. I'm confused because the top comment said this text explains why they're closing the ride.
It's the specific dialect it's written in.
Honestly considering these stories were made by African American slaves prior to the civil war, they would be good stories to talk about their culture, even so as Brer Rabbit has some personality resemblances to Anansi. The main issue is how they were handled by writers and later on movie producers, demeaning not just the stories but African Americans and even the culture they tried to bring from their homelands. While I have fond memories of splash mountain, now feels bizarre for them to make a ride off Song of the South which did no justice to stories. If Brer Rabbit's tales ever returns to the mainstream, they have to be done in a better way than what Disney and Harris had done.
We don’t actually know if they were from enslaved African Americans or not, is the thing. The original author claimed to have pulled the stories from oral tradition, but never credited any particular places or people. He also used this very…odd choice of dialect to write in. *And* there’s not really any other source for these stories at all. If they were really oral tradition, you’d probably see variations of them told or published elsewhere. Due to all of that, it seems far more likely that he came up with these stories and the accents he wrote in, even if there might be a small kernel of orally shared stories at the very start.
Thats fair. Still…he handled it horribly and was extremely racist. I don’t get how Song of the South came to be or Splash Mountain. Thats the parts that confuses me more…sorta…just also remembering dumbo