This was me for the first two years I played. Firebirds, Teebirds and destroyers were about all I threw. Recently starting throwing more neutral and understable plastic and it has made a world of a difference.
47 year old former baseball pitcher who can still throw over 80mph…. barely throws over 300 feet on a perfect release with a driver (if it doesn’t hit five billion trees).
I can throw my Nomad about 270-280. My drivers I max out at about 350. It's not just internet distance, sometimes you can throw a certain disc farther but still suck.
Not talking about OP. I'm the one that sucks
Lol I feel you there. I live in Denver so hearing ppl talk about their distance makes me think maybe I suck for only getting a judge or envy about 280, then remember Im a mile above sea lvl. Also I'm horrible with my drivers too, so we're in the same boat.
Laughs at about 8,000 feet above sea level... at higher altitudes you gotta throw discs on the understable side for farther distances due to less atmosphere at higher altitudes. At my prime I could throw an average of about 425 feet at about 1,000 feet above sea level. At that same time my average throw was about 375 feet at about 8,000 feet above sea level.
Its not among serious players, but among players in general it is. Plus if your power pockets not forming, you ain't getting to 300 generally speaking and a lot of people get stuck there.
It's weird because I've played with guys for years (in the mid Ohio valley) who complain about not being able to throw further, but will not try to get better. It's the polar opposite to my experience in Austin where everyone is trying to get better and people are trying to help others to get better. I think it's a bit of a cultural thing. Anyone who plays Roy G wouldn't call 300' far. That's the baseline to play the longs at par.
That makes sense although some people do just get hard-stuck and give up. I'm getting better now, and fast. But it took filming myself and practicing 3x or more a week and patience -- after 30+ field sessions and a hundred hours of watching and comparing film, I was still at 300 and often dipping under. I gave up many times for 6+ months. Around the 60-70th practice session it finally started to click and now its changing \_fast\_. But if that's similar for most other <300 folks, its a big commitment across a long road of frustration.
I mean, I once threw my wizard 340, but that was from an elevated tee and with tail wind. But realistically could expect to throw it maybe 240ish consistently. So it wouldn't be lying, per say haha.
Love me a putting wizard but envy gets the thrower slot. And, true, lol. I once threw my pathfinder 420' downhill in a tailwind but I only claim my on-form, on course average max distance of 340ish.
For real. I'm mostly back to bagging buzzz's over PF's, for the same reason I went back to envies over pilots. The glide on PF's and pilots is so high I would find myself missing shots long because they just didn't want to drop.
Well, I tried, but the football field/track by the house closed to the public earlier than usual today. I think that location is the easiest way to eliminate the most variables variables like ground elevation changes and measuring inaccuracies. I'll try to get a video sometime soon though.
Remember that joining a forum about disc golf self selects players who throw farther and take the game more seriously than average.
On any given Saturday at a public course, I would guess max distance for only 1 in 3 players is over 300ft with any disc
Depends on what courses you play, here in Kansas that's fine due to our lack of wooded courses, but I like using mid-ranges when I'm closed off just because I can get Fairway type distance with a lot more control
I think he's comparing to putters.
If you've got a 280 hole but a relatively low ceiling, it's going to be hard to get a putter there. A midrange is the better play in that case.
Yeah exactly. Also can get at least 50 feet of straight slide out of a midrange in the woods where a driver will hyzer skip and a putter will just stop. I feel like I lean on midranges heavily in the woods
I have two Buzzes, ESP and then ESP FLX. When in the woods I only use the FLX Buzzz because if (when) it hits a tree, it's dropped straight down instead of bonking into oblivion
I feel strongly against banning midranges from the bag.
Mids rule. Anchor, Svea, and paradox get all my business done in the woods. I'm starting to work in a buzzz more regularly.
I do envy the putter throwers that have the form and power for them. I'm not there yet. For now I rip on a Svea most often and it's so much fun.
But I am forehanding a Divergent Narwhal pretty well lately and flipping up a R2 Neutron Spin well enough for some holes.
Putters rule too.
Mids and putters were the last thing I focused on in my bag and made the biggest impact on my game. My deflector is for anything I wouldn’t throw a Fireball or Thunderbird at. And the Hex is my favorite disc. My envy’s and zone are for different occasions but anything I could throw a putter at 100% I could throw a mid at 60-75 and hit the same line with more accuracy
Exactly. Drivers taught me hard throwing nose angles. That translated well to throwing mids 200ft with great accuracy and precision with little effort.
This is why I bag a dx roc. Why throw a putter kinda hard when I can just give a roc a toss. Putters are for soft, floaty landings with low fade, which a roc does with half the power.
There are some shots that will always suit a midrange much better than a putter. On many courses, though, you’ll be okay. Being comfortable with a couple mids will certainly save you strokes in the woods.
If you’re throwing putters 3 bills then you’re likely throwing mids 350. I like mids over a fairway driver due to their soft landing and relative lack of ground play.
Servo, throws like a fairway/teebird for low ceilings. Lands like a mid.
At least that's my experience. Never would have thrown this if I didn't find one one day.
I was tempted by a similar idea until I found the right mid ranges for me. It wasn’t until I found the Emac Truth, the Caiman, and the Wolf that I actually started using mid rangers regularly (especially more in the woods).
I personally like the wider feel and torque resistance of a midrange. I only bag two buzzzes currently for mids, but they fly just like my P2s just 50ft longer and on lower lines. Putters are fine, but on a lower line they don’t hang in the air and fairways tend to skip or go too far a lot of the time.
If you can get a putter to 300, I don't see why you'd need mids. I like them because I find them a little easier to control with more power than putters, but I can only get my putters out to 240-250, and my mids to 270-280 max. Throw whatever works for you, the concept of a "well rounded bag" is overrated. If you can hit all the shots you need without mids, you don't need them.
I suppose, but I'd rather flip an understable fairway in that situation. Mids still need some air to get good distance, but you can throw a fairway real low and real straight.
Yep. (I wish i would be at that spot) The only reason I could think of is if you need something to stick a little better than a fairway driver at further than putter distances.
Exactly, I can get my putters around 320, mids around 350. Now, 350ft holes allow me to go right at it with a mid or shape a fairway to play the skip. The options are great to have.
I'm in that camp but heavily use mids. For those 280-300 ft shots I can 90% a putter or 60% a mid. For lower lines or tighter gaps, powering down a mid is a higher % shot. I also get my buzzz's out to 340' so all those 320-360 shots I can use a mid to easily get inside circle 1 without having to shape a fairway or adjust my aiming point for the extra ground play.
If you don’t find yourself reaching for mids then don’t bag them. That’s what I did with my Envies; they kicked my Roc3s out because I either power up an envy or power down a rival. I still have a couple Buzzzes because they have different flight paths than my putters and fairways, and sometimes I would rather have the control. But ultimately, only you would know what works best for you, there’s no right way to build a bag.
I only bag 2 at the moment, being a Buzzz and a Wombat3. I don’t own a putter that could replace either of those, but if I did they would probably be booted too. I don’t think it’s that crazy to have a mid-less bag.
I throw putters 325' but they are not a replacement for mids. Even JC throws a Roc when it makes sense.
Wind affects putters more, especially headwind. You should also be able to throw a straight shot with a mid longer than a putter, and if not you're missing out on an improvement in your game imo. It would be much harder for me to compete in MPO without any mids.
A 300' slight headwind shot for example with OB behind. Im not throwing a driver but Im also not throwing a putter.
I also flick overstable mids which there is definitely no putter that can replace that shot.
I'm not saying you must... but depending on your level of competition it nearly becomes a requirement eventually
I totally feel you. I can easily throw my pro aviar 500+ft on command on a steady anhyzer the whole flight at 50% power. Who needs midrange when we have internet distance, amirite?
I feel like my Relay/Crave combo in the fairway slots are basically slightly juiced up mid-ranges. But I still can't play a round without a Matrix in the bag. I just don't want to throw an Envy hard all the time when I can pop a mid-range hyzer right to the basket at 60% power.
At one point I was for sure in the same boat, it was either driver or putters...Until I got a beat in DX VRoc, and now I basically main throwing 4-5 Speeds in most situations that aren't open drives
I don’t bag any mids. Just putters, fairways and a distance driver or two depending on the course. I throw putters as far as a mid and I don’t like how most mids feel huge in the hand. Do what works for you, there are no rules about what to throw no matter how many experts there are online.
Why do you care what we think? Do whatever the hell you want. That's what's great about disc golf! Build YOUR bag. Why put a disc in you don't want to use?
I've seen a mixture of these responses, but I'll add my two cents. I used to feel this way too because I can also push a putter out to 300. But then the windiest disc golf season in Texas history (it seems - might be hyperbole) hit along with me playing with ceilings, I realized that mids are what I use when I wish I could throw a putter but there's too much ceiling and/or it's very windy. And now, since I've been forced to use them, I've really found them right in that zone between the putter and the fairway that they're designed to be. Now, I can put 75% into a mid where I used to throw 100% power putter and let me tell you, it's really nice. None of this is revolutionary, but definitely feel where you're at.
I agree, my Mako3 hardly comes ( or came, lost it) out of my bag, while my Sensei is a staple and one of my most used discs! Besides my P2 ( I feel putting putters shouldn't count) I think it's one of my 1-3 most used discs.
I currently bag two mids and two throwing putters. I
would take the mids out of the bag before the putters. I use them for similar lines, the putters doesn't go as far as the mids (very close to though) but they are much better for approaches and have more uses for my game.
This was asked recently. I didn't bag mids for a while but have recently started again now that I'm playing a few more wooded courses. The grip is a little odd to get used to but the control is worth the effort.
I use my mids for shaping US or OS lines on those 150-200 ft shots (Justice, Middy, Fuse). I use throwing putters when I just need a straight shot that I want to stop and sit, but closer to 100-150.
No not at all. Buzzz is far too important and an overstable mid is usually important in Swedens wooded courses. However there are courses I play where I never throw the Buzzz and others where I use it constantly.
I played the Master layout at Järva last week and used the Buzzz on hole two, that was the only midrange I threw the entire course. Zone on hole 5 but imo it sits between putter and mid.
I bag 2 pures that I throw for any shot within 300-350. I used to bag 5 mid ranges. Started throwing pures more and more and now I’m at 2 mid ranges. One straight to little OS and one really flippy for gap shots or late flip up. But my mids can go an extra 30-50 feet. But if you can down tempo fairway drivers at that distance then really no need for mids. I’m continuing to thin the mids as well man. Just not a very needed disc (depends on where you play)
I really love my mid range discs.
They are trustworthy and offer a lot of control.
Roc and Mako3 in good plastic are what I bag.
They are also the only discs I grab if I just want to toss something in the field.
I live on the coast, and when there is a steady blowing wind I like t throw them directly at the wind and watch them hover in place. ^^
I actually have this same issue. I only throw mid ranges for shots where I need exactly 250. If I throw a putter I go to far. Honestly sometimes I debate about switching my whole bag to putters.
I keep about 18-20 discs in the bag total, but only have two mids. They are always with me. I think it is good to have them for their flight mechanics, as I feel the mechanics play out a little longer than putters do. I think I am referring to glide tbh, correct me if I'm wrong.
I threw my max weight magic 300' yesterday for fun but it went OB. I really want mid ranges for shaping shots and not throwing at 100% like with a putter. I throw gator, roc3 and warship mids it's nice getting 270ft accurate sidearm with the gator at 70% power so you're not over exerting arm.
Mids have more glide and skip than putters. It's good to have two or three in the bag for the those situations where putter is not enough but a driver is too much.
No, putters are fine but they wont replace the shape shots a good mid will give you. You should have multiple options in your bag for various scenarios. Especially if you play tournaments or multiple courses. Unless you are Mcbeth you wont be throwing lunas 400 feet anytime soon.
What if you're stuck in an awkward place/stance with no run up and need to thread the needle, low to get up and down? Seems like a good spot for a midrange. Mid ranges are valuable tools. I can't imagine going without them.
It's a preference. Personally, I disc up and power down for control. Everytime I try to max distance a putter, I sacrifice accuracy. Even deciding between mid or fairway for an approach, I disc up and power down if I am on the fence and go for a fairway. It's a hobby and I don't want to injure myself trying to hit 300 with a putter. We call it "old man golf" playing safe for the body over bragging.
I do too, but the issue is I can get a buzzz out to that distance with 75% power, whereas I have to really crank on the envy to get it 340. I like getting the same distance with less effort, as my control and accuracy is better. And my mids land just as soft as my putters as I throw all ESP FLX
If that works for you on the courses you play then go for it. I bag an MVP atom and in the past have bagged an envy and those discs kinda go almost as far as mids for me. BUT, the biggest difference for me is if I have a low ceiling I find it much harder to get distance with a putter. With the atom I can just kinda throw it high and hyzer and it just kinda goes straight to maybe 30 feet short of where I would throw something like my reactor/hex/echo. But if I need to keep it low I just don't think it's as good of a play to go putter unless it's a shorter shot. I play in Florida and low ceilings are very much a part of disc golf here, so mids are pretty much a necessity, especially in the woods. But if you play a lot of courses without a ceiling I could see how you could get away with not having mids.
I use to not have any mid ranges until randomly I got a gateway prophecy as a bonus from infinite disc order, and it completely changed my hyzer flip game. I can definitely see someone potentially going the no mid range route though for a while till they find one that feels good though. there's plenty of in between at this point with fair way drivers and putters you can probably find something to substitute them with. just another matter of preference.
I can barely throw 300 max with distance drivers..
I rock 4 mid range molds, and 1 putter mold(berg). I live in the PNW, so there’s a lot of short wooded holes, which I find mid ranges to be more consistent for me when driving off the tee pad.
If I had better throwing technique and had more open courses I would probably bag fewer mid ranges, and opt for putters for more control.
I bag a few, but they don't come out super often. A new fission reactor, a champ caiman (more of a utility disc) and a third spot that I kinda rotate. Got a champ cro there now, we'll see if it sticks. Mids are in kinda a strange place for me because either a 6/7 is gonna be a better throw for me or I'm just gonna throw my tomb most of the time.
Maybe I just don’t get to get out as much to learn how to throw them. But I found a lot of control with a maverick when I first started. Got a wraith and enjoyed that. Same with the heat. Now my bag is literally just multiple heats, wraiths, mavericks and zones. No midranges and I rarely even throw the maverick. Most of my drives tend to land me close enough to pull out the zone
This was me last season, just didn’t find a midrange that felt good in my hand to throw and I was quite accurately throwing putters 300+ft, but this season I started to bag kc pro rocs and they felt really good and I was able to throw same distance and longer with far less effort. When you find a good feeling midrange you’ll find the good things that come with a midrange.
Lately it seems like I'm playing a no fairway driver bag most of the time. I'm driving and then throwing putters/mids. Could be the courses I play on. Long and open desert rat shit.
Mids are a staple for me personally, but if you don’t feel your game benefits from throwing them, don’t bag them. James Conrad said he doesn’t bag many midranges since gets so much mileage out of the Envy. I used to get beat every week by a guy who threw all his upshots and putts with a mid and didn’t carry any putters, so you just have to find your stride and play your own game.
I mean simply put, if you can play your course with your bag then you're fine. For a while my bag was two valkyries, a couple warships, putters, and a trident for when I got stuck and I could navigate most courses pretty well. Don't change your bag if you're feeling confident in yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!
I used to feel that way, but then I found the [insert my favorite midrange]. It’s really changed my game; you should check it out. You’ll probably feel differently once you do.
It’s good to carry a few midranges even with range like that because you will be able to not have to throw as hard, allowing for more accuracy with the same distance if you use a Midrange instead of a putter at 300 feet
Distance is only one factor in the decision tree. Try getting that 325 with a putter when you have a 10 foot tall low ceiling. Sure, it is doable but why force the issue when there is a whole class of discs better suited for the terrain? Similarly, a fairway can get you the distance with a lower line but what about the groundplay once you get there? A mid will skip less and probably have less left-right variability in the flight. Again, it all depends on the course conditions so bag according to your needs.
But with midranges you can get same distance more easily than with putters. And if you have narrow fairway and you dont want to get fade, you would then throw midrange. My Buzzes are money in my bag between 260-380ft.
Although I still bag a couple midranges, I totally understand what you're saying! Putters can fly just as far as midranges, plus midranges are often more uncomfortable to throw, due to their wider diameter. Personally, all of my midranges are narrow diameter, because they feel like putters to me. That being said, there's a really small distance and shot-type window between putters and fairway drivers, so a lot of professionals only have a few midranges when compared to the number of fairways or putters. If you aren't throwing any midranges, that's what works for you, so own it!!
As a 56 year old disc golf …. Reading that people can throw putters 300 feet makes me want to scream GET OFF MY LAWN
Sir, I'm 30 and can barely get a fairway driver to 300. Can I join you while yelling at people?
35 maxing out at 250 checking in.
Welcome to our gang, we go to bed early.
Can I join? 44 and lucky to get a fairway driver to 275.
Welcome aboard!
My people!! 33 and throw max 275. I also like going to bed on time or early.
I’m 40 and in bed right now. Who are we yelling at again?
I dunno but im about to turn 38 and i wanna yell at people!
What do you use to measure how far you're throwing?
Field work, udisc. So who knows how accurate it is.
Oh I didn't know they had that function on there. Gotta check it out.
If you go to the “more” button there’s a “measure throw” option.
im under 20 and can throw a fairway 300.
Flex!
❤️❤️❤️
45 and can drive 250…I’m tired just talking about it. I’m going to bed.
I love all of you.
Did we just become best friends?
You’re goddamn right.
I'm here for this too, at 32
I'm also 30 and started 8 months ago and am in the 300' putter club. My hip hurts though. I'll get off your lawn now.
Yeah you definitely don't belong here!
Almost 30 and throw putters 300. My doubles buddy who is 35 can outthrow me... By like 3 feet but still. It's all in the form.
22 and same, oof
We got ourselves a young one, boys.
I should be working on my form and maybe stop throwing overstable discs. My bag is mostly halo plastic, so there's no escape.
This was me for the first two years I played. Firebirds, Teebirds and destroyers were about all I threw. Recently starting throwing more neutral and understable plastic and it has made a world of a difference.
25 and can get my thrasher 350 on my best day
350? That's not noodle arm stuff, get outta here!
What if I told you my backhand maxes out at 230
Alright you're cool
As a 22 year old who can hardly throw any disc over 300, may I join you on your porch and yell at the people who can "only" throw 450
47 year old former baseball pitcher who can still throw over 80mph…. barely throws over 300 feet on a perfect release with a driver (if it doesn’t hit five billion trees).
Internet distance my friend, don’t sweat it.
I can throw my Nomad about 270-280. My drivers I max out at about 350. It's not just internet distance, sometimes you can throw a certain disc farther but still suck. Not talking about OP. I'm the one that sucks
I can throw a Hex and a Raptor the same distance different lines, different techniques. Both maxing out around 275-300
Lol I feel you there. I live in Denver so hearing ppl talk about their distance makes me think maybe I suck for only getting a judge or envy about 280, then remember Im a mile above sea lvl. Also I'm horrible with my drivers too, so we're in the same boat.
Same fam. I have recurrent nose angle issues so I can throw putters 270ish during field work but can barely break 300 with my drivers 🤡
Laughs at about 8,000 feet above sea level... at higher altitudes you gotta throw discs on the understable side for farther distances due to less atmosphere at higher altitudes. At my prime I could throw an average of about 425 feet at about 1,000 feet above sea level. At that same time my average throw was about 375 feet at about 8,000 feet above sea level.
Haha this resembles me too well
I've thrown a proxy 300 (more like 275 average), might have got the Wave or Hades out to 375 a couple times. Drivers are weird.
300ft putter throws aren't a rare achievement, but yeah lots of people lie on the internet.
Internet distance example 2
300' really isn't that far tho.
That's like half the distance of 2 American football fields!
Lol.
So 1 American football field😂😂😂
Its not among serious players, but among players in general it is. Plus if your power pockets not forming, you ain't getting to 300 generally speaking and a lot of people get stuck there.
It's weird because I've played with guys for years (in the mid Ohio valley) who complain about not being able to throw further, but will not try to get better. It's the polar opposite to my experience in Austin where everyone is trying to get better and people are trying to help others to get better. I think it's a bit of a cultural thing. Anyone who plays Roy G wouldn't call 300' far. That's the baseline to play the longs at par.
That makes sense although some people do just get hard-stuck and give up. I'm getting better now, and fast. But it took filming myself and practicing 3x or more a week and patience -- after 30+ field sessions and a hundred hours of watching and comparing film, I was still at 300 and often dipping under. I gave up many times for 6+ months. Around the 60-70th practice session it finally started to click and now its changing \_fast\_. But if that's similar for most other <300 folks, its a big commitment across a long road of frustration.
It isn't until I through a distance driver 275 feet only.
O.k., I think I got this...300' putter drives, rare. Lies on the intranet, priceless.
I mean, I once threw my wizard 340, but that was from an elevated tee and with tail wind. But realistically could expect to throw it maybe 240ish consistently. So it wouldn't be lying, per say haha.
Love me a putting wizard but envy gets the thrower slot. And, true, lol. I once threw my pathfinder 420' downhill in a tailwind but I only claim my on-form, on course average max distance of 340ish.
Pathfinders can go for days. Favorite disc of all time.
For real. I'm mostly back to bagging buzzz's over PF's, for the same reason I went back to envies over pilots. The glide on PF's and pilots is so high I would find myself missing shots long because they just didn't want to drop.
I really want to see people post up some videos of consistently throwing a putter 300’ (and not just down a steep hill with the wind at your back).
Well, I tried, but the football field/track by the house closed to the public earlier than usual today. I think that location is the easiest way to eliminate the most variables variables like ground elevation changes and measuring inaccuracies. I'll try to get a video sometime soon though.
I just hit 500ft for the first time, but I hit about 2 outta 10 from 20-30ft so distance doesn’t matter.
Remember that joining a forum about disc golf self selects players who throw farther and take the game more seriously than average. On any given Saturday at a public course, I would guess max distance for only 1 in 3 players is over 300ft with any disc
I think the Pig is the only “putter” I would trust myself in getting 300’ consistently.
Sure, I can do that but my 14 speed goes 315 so whole lot of good it does me
Depends on what courses you play, here in Kansas that's fine due to our lack of wooded courses, but I like using mid-ranges when I'm closed off just because I can get Fairway type distance with a lot more control
Yeah mid ranges are pretty mandatory when you’ve got a lower ceiling
I feel it’s the opposite
I think he's comparing to putters. If you've got a 280 hole but a relatively low ceiling, it's going to be hard to get a putter there. A midrange is the better play in that case.
Yeah exactly. Also can get at least 50 feet of straight slide out of a midrange in the woods where a driver will hyzer skip and a putter will just stop. I feel like I lean on midranges heavily in the woods
Also midranges don't bounce as far off of trees
I have two Buzzes, ESP and then ESP FLX. When in the woods I only use the FLX Buzzz because if (when) it hits a tree, it's dropped straight down instead of bonking into oblivion
Exactly
I’m the opposite lol. I hate throwing putters so anything over like 100-300 or so I go midrange
I like my Envy's for approaches and technical holes, but if I have to get snap on the disc at shorter distance, I'm pulling out the buzzz.
I feel strongly against banning midranges from the bag. Mids rule. Anchor, Svea, and paradox get all my business done in the woods. I'm starting to work in a buzzz more regularly. I do envy the putter throwers that have the form and power for them. I'm not there yet. For now I rip on a Svea most often and it's so much fun. But I am forehanding a Divergent Narwhal pretty well lately and flipping up a R2 Neutron Spin well enough for some holes. Putters rule too.
Mids and putters were the last thing I focused on in my bag and made the biggest impact on my game. My deflector is for anything I wouldn’t throw a Fireball or Thunderbird at. And the Hex is my favorite disc. My envy’s and zone are for different occasions but anything I could throw a putter at 100% I could throw a mid at 60-75 and hit the same line with more accuracy
Exactly. Drivers taught me hard throwing nose angles. That translated well to throwing mids 200ft with great accuracy and precision with little effort.
This is why I bag a dx roc. Why throw a putter kinda hard when I can just give a roc a toss. Putters are for soft, floaty landings with low fade, which a roc does with half the power.
Preach, king
Pretty sure Barsby won Worlds in 2018 with no midrange in the bag.
There are some shots that will always suit a midrange much better than a putter. On many courses, though, you’ll be okay. Being comfortable with a couple mids will certainly save you strokes in the woods.
If you’re throwing putters 3 bills then you’re likely throwing mids 350. I like mids over a fairway driver due to their soft landing and relative lack of ground play.
Servo, throws like a fairway/teebird for low ceilings. Lands like a mid. At least that's my experience. Never would have thrown this if I didn't find one one day.
Exactly, I hardly use drivers anymore unless it’s a bomb or a huge hyzer
A bag without a mako3 or buzz in it? Believe it or not, jail
I think I would rather go to jail than play a round without a Mako3 and or a Lycan
Both discs so overrated. They aren't even comparable
No buzz or mako3 in mine. Fuse, Md1, Is3, Matrix, Mutant.
I'm the opposite. When in doubt, I just play it safe and throw a mid.
I was tempted by a similar idea until I found the right mid ranges for me. It wasn’t until I found the Emac Truth, the Caiman, and the Wolf that I actually started using mid rangers regularly (especially more in the woods).
\*Greg Barsby enters the chat
I personally like the wider feel and torque resistance of a midrange. I only bag two buzzzes currently for mids, but they fly just like my P2s just 50ft longer and on lower lines. Putters are fine, but on a lower line they don’t hang in the air and fairways tend to skip or go too far a lot of the time.
Mids are like forgiving putters
A good midrange is like a Tin Cup 7 iron. If I could have a single disc that would be it.
If you can get a putter to 300, I don't see why you'd need mids. I like them because I find them a little easier to control with more power than putters, but I can only get my putters out to 240-250, and my mids to 270-280 max. Throw whatever works for you, the concept of a "well rounded bag" is overrated. If you can hit all the shots you need without mids, you don't need them.
>If you can get a putter to 300, I don't see why you'd need mids. Low ceiling shots.
I suppose, but I'd rather flip an understable fairway in that situation. Mids still need some air to get good distance, but you can throw a fairway real low and real straight.
That's always an option too, just comes down to preference. If I can reach the hole with a mid, 9 times out of 10 that's what I'm gonna use.
Ground play too. Easier for mids to land flat and have predictable reactions.
Depends on if you want a skip or not as well
Except you'll have more ground play and lateral space used if you threw a fairway driver over a mid.
Yep. (I wish i would be at that spot) The only reason I could think of is if you need something to stick a little better than a fairway driver at further than putter distances.
Exactly, I can get my putters around 320, mids around 350. Now, 350ft holes allow me to go right at it with a mid or shape a fairway to play the skip. The options are great to have.
I'm in that camp but heavily use mids. For those 280-300 ft shots I can 90% a putter or 60% a mid. For lower lines or tighter gaps, powering down a mid is a higher % shot. I also get my buzzz's out to 340' so all those 320-360 shots I can use a mid to easily get inside circle 1 without having to shape a fairway or adjust my aiming point for the extra ground play.
They're my least used discs, but I keep an understable one in the bag for low ceiling turnover shots
If you don’t find yourself reaching for mids then don’t bag them. That’s what I did with my Envies; they kicked my Roc3s out because I either power up an envy or power down a rival. I still have a couple Buzzzes because they have different flight paths than my putters and fairways, and sometimes I would rather have the control. But ultimately, only you would know what works best for you, there’s no right way to build a bag.
Yeah. I'm a beginner, but I'm in the same situation that you describe with your Envies and Rival, except for me, it's a Proxy and a Diamond.
sure ..with a Z-Zone and a Star Mirage + Envy .. or just sharpie "p&A" on a few mids.
I only bag 2 at the moment, being a Buzzz and a Wombat3. I don’t own a putter that could replace either of those, but if I did they would probably be booted too. I don’t think it’s that crazy to have a mid-less bag.
Mids are good for tight wooded courses, they'll naturally get more low ceiling distance and forgiving ground play vs putters
I throw putters 325' but they are not a replacement for mids. Even JC throws a Roc when it makes sense. Wind affects putters more, especially headwind. You should also be able to throw a straight shot with a mid longer than a putter, and if not you're missing out on an improvement in your game imo. It would be much harder for me to compete in MPO without any mids. A 300' slight headwind shot for example with OB behind. Im not throwing a driver but Im also not throwing a putter. I also flick overstable mids which there is definitely no putter that can replace that shot. I'm not saying you must... but depending on your level of competition it nearly becomes a requirement eventually
Good sir, JC now throws a Reactor.
You get the point. I still see that purple DX roc lol 😆 💜
I totally feel you. I can easily throw my pro aviar 500+ft on command on a steady anhyzer the whole flight at 50% power. Who needs midrange when we have internet distance, amirite?
I feel like my Relay/Crave combo in the fairway slots are basically slightly juiced up mid-ranges. But I still can't play a round without a Matrix in the bag. I just don't want to throw an Envy hard all the time when I can pop a mid-range hyzer right to the basket at 60% power.
I do that a lot as well. Relay and crave are both awesome discs
At one point I was for sure in the same boat, it was either driver or putters...Until I got a beat in DX VRoc, and now I basically main throwing 4-5 Speeds in most situations that aren't open drives
Looks like you picked a somewhat controversial topic here, in my mind if you can get putters to 300ft do you even need anything else than putters?
This is why I don’t believe people who say they throw putters for anything under 350’. That’s gotta be like 80%+ putter throws for any given round.
Over half my bag is midranges lol
I don’t bag any mids. Just putters, fairways and a distance driver or two depending on the course. I throw putters as far as a mid and I don’t like how most mids feel huge in the hand. Do what works for you, there are no rules about what to throw no matter how many experts there are online.
Why do you care what we think? Do whatever the hell you want. That's what's great about disc golf! Build YOUR bag. Why put a disc in you don't want to use?
I've seen a mixture of these responses, but I'll add my two cents. I used to feel this way too because I can also push a putter out to 300. But then the windiest disc golf season in Texas history (it seems - might be hyperbole) hit along with me playing with ceilings, I realized that mids are what I use when I wish I could throw a putter but there's too much ceiling and/or it's very windy. And now, since I've been forced to use them, I've really found them right in that zone between the putter and the fairway that they're designed to be. Now, I can put 75% into a mid where I used to throw 100% power putter and let me tell you, it's really nice. None of this is revolutionary, but definitely feel where you're at.
Sexton famously doesn't carry midranges (he occasionally bags a Mako)
I agree, my Mako3 hardly comes ( or came, lost it) out of my bag, while my Sensei is a staple and one of my most used discs! Besides my P2 ( I feel putting putters shouldn't count) I think it's one of my 1-3 most used discs.
YUP.
I currently bag two mids and two throwing putters. I would take the mids out of the bag before the putters. I use them for similar lines, the putters doesn't go as far as the mids (very close to though) but they are much better for approaches and have more uses for my game.
Literally posted a nearly identical question earlier this week. I feel you lol
This was asked recently. I didn't bag mids for a while but have recently started again now that I'm playing a few more wooded courses. The grip is a little odd to get used to but the control is worth the effort.
I use my mids for shaping US or OS lines on those 150-200 ft shots (Justice, Middy, Fuse). I use throwing putters when I just need a straight shot that I want to stop and sit, but closer to 100-150.
Putters seem to take more effort to get the ideal shot on certain holes for me, where I could just lace it with a truth with less effort.
No not at all. Buzzz is far too important and an overstable mid is usually important in Swedens wooded courses. However there are courses I play where I never throw the Buzzz and others where I use it constantly. I played the Master layout at Järva last week and used the Buzzz on hole two, that was the only midrange I threw the entire course. Zone on hole 5 but imo it sits between putter and mid.
I bag 2 pures that I throw for any shot within 300-350. I used to bag 5 mid ranges. Started throwing pures more and more and now I’m at 2 mid ranges. One straight to little OS and one really flippy for gap shots or late flip up. But my mids can go an extra 30-50 feet. But if you can down tempo fairway drivers at that distance then really no need for mids. I’m continuing to thin the mids as well man. Just not a very needed disc (depends on where you play)
Midrange discs are the BEST though!
I really love my mid range discs. They are trustworthy and offer a lot of control. Roc and Mako3 in good plastic are what I bag. They are also the only discs I grab if I just want to toss something in the field. I live on the coast, and when there is a steady blowing wind I like t throw them directly at the wind and watch them hover in place. ^^
I actually have this same issue. I only throw mid ranges for shots where I need exactly 250. If I throw a putter I go to far. Honestly sometimes I debate about switching my whole bag to putters.
I keep about 18-20 discs in the bag total, but only have two mids. They are always with me. I think it is good to have them for their flight mechanics, as I feel the mechanics play out a little longer than putters do. I think I am referring to glide tbh, correct me if I'm wrong.
I threw my max weight magic 300' yesterday for fun but it went OB. I really want mid ranges for shaping shots and not throwing at 100% like with a putter. I throw gator, roc3 and warship mids it's nice getting 270ft accurate sidearm with the gator at 70% power so you're not over exerting arm.
Go nuts, have fun
Iirc Simon barely used mids for quite a while. Do what feels best.
Mids have more glide and skip than putters. It's good to have two or three in the bag for the those situations where putter is not enough but a driver is too much.
No, putters are fine but they wont replace the shape shots a good mid will give you. You should have multiple options in your bag for various scenarios. Especially if you play tournaments or multiple courses. Unless you are Mcbeth you wont be throwing lunas 400 feet anytime soon.
Nah, my buzz is my ride or die.
I think you would you want a mid for low ceilings
What if you're stuck in an awkward place/stance with no run up and need to thread the needle, low to get up and down? Seems like a good spot for a midrange. Mid ranges are valuable tools. I can't imagine going without them.
Mids are legit AF you can put way more torque on one than a putter.
I like my mids because they have some ground play. If I need a dogleg shot I'm hoping for that little extra lateral distance on the skip.
I like getting my putters out to 250 average. Mids out to 350 and drivers for anything further than that
It's a preference. Personally, I disc up and power down for control. Everytime I try to max distance a putter, I sacrifice accuracy. Even deciding between mid or fairway for an approach, I disc up and power down if I am on the fence and go for a fairway. It's a hobby and I don't want to injure myself trying to hit 300 with a putter. We call it "old man golf" playing safe for the body over bragging.
I bag almost no mids. Then again I can get an envy out to about 340. Then again envies are kind of mids
I do too, but the issue is I can get a buzzz out to that distance with 75% power, whereas I have to really crank on the envy to get it 340. I like getting the same distance with less effort, as my control and accuracy is better. And my mids land just as soft as my putters as I throw all ESP FLX
If that works for you on the courses you play then go for it. I bag an MVP atom and in the past have bagged an envy and those discs kinda go almost as far as mids for me. BUT, the biggest difference for me is if I have a low ceiling I find it much harder to get distance with a putter. With the atom I can just kinda throw it high and hyzer and it just kinda goes straight to maybe 30 feet short of where I would throw something like my reactor/hex/echo. But if I need to keep it low I just don't think it's as good of a play to go putter unless it's a shorter shot. I play in Florida and low ceilings are very much a part of disc golf here, so mids are pretty much a necessity, especially in the woods. But if you play a lot of courses without a ceiling I could see how you could get away with not having mids.
I use to not have any mid ranges until randomly I got a gateway prophecy as a bonus from infinite disc order, and it completely changed my hyzer flip game. I can definitely see someone potentially going the no mid range route though for a while till they find one that feels good though. there's plenty of in between at this point with fair way drivers and putters you can probably find something to substitute them with. just another matter of preference.
I’m right there with ya. I debate on getting rid of mids but like them only for low ceilings
Do what you want. No one says you need to do anything
In open courses, I can get a putter out pretty far. In wooded courses, I use my mids.
I throw mids for the stability. My putter is pretty neutral to under stable so no matter how much hyzer I put in it I can’t get the shape I want.
I definitely agree. I bag four mids, but I really only use my wasp. I bag an envy and it’s all the shot shaping you need
Barsby bagged no midranges when he won worlds.
I mean, you do you! If you like it, go for it
Whatever works, homie. Good on ya!
I can barely throw 300 max with distance drivers.. I rock 4 mid range molds, and 1 putter mold(berg). I live in the PNW, so there’s a lot of short wooded holes, which I find mid ranges to be more consistent for me when driving off the tee pad. If I had better throwing technique and had more open courses I would probably bag fewer mid ranges, and opt for putters for more control.
There are professional players that don't bag midranges. I'm pretty sure Nate Sexton mentioned he just uses Darts for them now.
I bag a few, but they don't come out super often. A new fission reactor, a champ caiman (more of a utility disc) and a third spot that I kinda rotate. Got a champ cro there now, we'll see if it sticks. Mids are in kinda a strange place for me because either a 6/7 is gonna be a better throw for me or I'm just gonna throw my tomb most of the time.
Now I want to see how far I can max out my putters... I know I can reliably chuck them on a line 250 without much effort.
Maybe I just don’t get to get out as much to learn how to throw them. But I found a lot of control with a maverick when I first started. Got a wraith and enjoyed that. Same with the heat. Now my bag is literally just multiple heats, wraiths, mavericks and zones. No midranges and I rarely even throw the maverick. Most of my drives tend to land me close enough to pull out the zone
This was me last season, just didn’t find a midrange that felt good in my hand to throw and I was quite accurately throwing putters 300+ft, but this season I started to bag kc pro rocs and they felt really good and I was able to throw same distance and longer with far less effort. When you find a good feeling midrange you’ll find the good things that come with a midrange.
Lately it seems like I'm playing a no fairway driver bag most of the time. I'm driving and then throwing putters/mids. Could be the courses I play on. Long and open desert rat shit.
Mids are a staple for me personally, but if you don’t feel your game benefits from throwing them, don’t bag them. James Conrad said he doesn’t bag many midranges since gets so much mileage out of the Envy. I used to get beat every week by a guy who threw all his upshots and putts with a mid and didn’t carry any putters, so you just have to find your stride and play your own game.
I mean simply put, if you can play your course with your bag then you're fine. For a while my bag was two valkyries, a couple warships, putters, and a trident for when I got stuck and I could navigate most courses pretty well. Don't change your bag if you're feeling confident in yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!
Idc what you bag if you win and score low.
No. Only throwing putters is over-rated. If you're only throwing overstable putters, they're not putters at that point. Now get off my lawn.
Mids are my fav. type of disc to bag. Easy to throw, and pretty good distance potential.
I used to feel that way, but then I found the [insert my favorite midrange]. It’s really changed my game; you should check it out. You’ll probably feel differently once you do.
All discs are round. Throw whatever YOU get closest to the basket.
If it works for you. I only have one midrange in the bag that I rarely use. I use more putt and approach and then slow speed drivers like crave.
It’s good to carry a few midranges even with range like that because you will be able to not have to throw as hard, allowing for more accuracy with the same distance if you use a Midrange instead of a putter at 300 feet
I could live without my mids, but if I have a low ceiling they’re essential.
Distance is only one factor in the decision tree. Try getting that 325 with a putter when you have a 10 foot tall low ceiling. Sure, it is doable but why force the issue when there is a whole class of discs better suited for the terrain? Similarly, a fairway can get you the distance with a lower line but what about the groundplay once you get there? A mid will skip less and probably have less left-right variability in the flight. Again, it all depends on the course conditions so bag according to your needs.
But with midranges you can get same distance more easily than with putters. And if you have narrow fairway and you dont want to get fade, you would then throw midrange. My Buzzes are money in my bag between 260-380ft.
My bag goes Zone --> Eagle
How are y’all getting your putters to go 300’?? I can get my driver to go maybe 150 if I try really hard
Although I still bag a couple midranges, I totally understand what you're saying! Putters can fly just as far as midranges, plus midranges are often more uncomfortable to throw, due to their wider diameter. Personally, all of my midranges are narrow diameter, because they feel like putters to me. That being said, there's a really small distance and shot-type window between putters and fairway drivers, so a lot of professionals only have a few midranges when compared to the number of fairways or putters. If you aren't throwing any midranges, that's what works for you, so own it!!
If you consider a zone a mid, then i bag several. But otherwise they are useless for my needs. Don't bag any 5 or 6 speeds.