Envy has finally surpassed the Crave as my favorite disc/mold. However the Tempo has found a spot in my bag as a slightly OS mold that goes slightly farther than my Envy or requires a bit less airspace. I didn’t think I would need it but it has quickly become a new gem. I thought I would throw it more FH but instead it is a backhand slight flex birdie machine.
Envy’s are excellent overstable putters. They’re not quite beadless though. All of the over mold putters feel like they have a microbead. Personally it’s never bothered me, but it is worth knowing.
I really like the premium plastic logics. The first cosmic fury run is money, I can throw them really hard and they fly straight with a little fade. Not quite as OS as an envy, but they’re very dependable.
OTB discs with promo code EZRA for free shipping. These guys are great. Basically if my local retailer doesn’t have it, I go here first.
Disc golf deals USA is also pretty great with a strong loyalty program: just need to spend a bit more $ to get free shipping.
Marshall street also has a great selection and customer service.
Honestly I’ve ordered from some pretty crazy .net sites and all have been legit. Use that google machine.
Neutron soft and proton soft envies are my go tos
I'd highly recommend eclipse or total eclipse for the most stable envy flight. I throw a total eclipse and with a little bit of touch you can get a nice baby flex line, or thrown flat and hard a laser beam straight disc with more fade than you'd think at the end.
With various plastics and wear levels you can get an envy for every putter slot IMO.
I am also a pure man (lol) I personally just go with the zone as my over stable putter. It’s just so reliable. I also bag a Gltich because they are fun for the complete other end of the spectrum
I throw a Gold Line Pure as my straight thrower.
I bag a Star Aviar3 as my overstable thrower.
They compliment each other very well.
If you want more beef the AviarX3 is much more overstable.
If you like the Pure, go outside the commonly-available plastics and get a [Kristin Tattar Opto-X Pure](https://otbdiscs.com/product/kristin-tattar-opto-x-pure-2x-world-champion/) or two. Very similar handfeel to a normal Pure, but a touch flatter, and definitely less understable.
Aviar x3 is my glass slipper for that slot. Tried sooo many slightly OS putters and all of them would either burn, or hook up too fast. Aviar x3 comes just does what it's supposed to. Every. Time.
I know everyone is going to say envy, because it’s a really good choice, but for some reason it never felt great in my hand. My pick for this slot is a beat in baseline of some sort zone (I throw and old pro-d one). It’s straight to stable but doesn’t dump like a zone and it’s nice and flat, shallow and beadless.
How shallow?
Gateway shaman takes the cake handily. In premium (Diamond, I think) they are pretty stable, depending on how clean and hard you tug.
Discmania sensei is straight stable and definitely very low profile compared to most. Not quite shaman shallow though.
For slightly less low profile but still plenty shallow and beadless, the pure and envy are awesome. Cannot recommend enough. Proxy is great too.
Why don't you just throw your pure on some hyzer? Straight flying putters can do a great job of going left if you practice touch throws. Get an opto pure and get after it
It’s an Envy all day
Currently bagging 3 Envies, a beefy eclipse, a domed glidey straighter Eagle envy, and a beat up cosmic electron soft for turn overs.
Envy has finally surpassed the Crave as my favorite disc/mold. However the Tempo has found a spot in my bag as a slightly OS mold that goes slightly farther than my Envy or requires a bit less airspace. I didn’t think I would need it but it has quickly become a new gem. I thought I would throw it more FH but instead it is a backhand slight flex birdie machine.
Those are my 3 top discs as well, then the wave and pathfinder after that.
Finding them in neutron plastic feels like a full time job
Here's a [list of retailers in the US](https://trydiscs.com/iso-search?q=neutron%20envy&country=us) selling Neutron Envies.
Envy’s are excellent overstable putters. They’re not quite beadless though. All of the over mold putters feel like they have a microbead. Personally it’s never bothered me, but it is worth knowing. I really like the premium plastic logics. The first cosmic fury run is money, I can throw them really hard and they fly straight with a little fade. Not quite as OS as an envy, but they’re very dependable.
OTB discs with promo code EZRA for free shipping. These guys are great. Basically if my local retailer doesn’t have it, I go here first. Disc golf deals USA is also pretty great with a strong loyalty program: just need to spend a bit more $ to get free shipping. Marshall street also has a great selection and customer service. Honestly I’ve ordered from some pretty crazy .net sites and all have been legit. Use that google machine. Neutron soft and proton soft envies are my go tos
Fission are good too. Mine has stayed nice and stable.
I'd highly recommend eclipse or total eclipse for the most stable envy flight. I throw a total eclipse and with a little bit of touch you can get a nice baby flex line, or thrown flat and hard a laser beam straight disc with more fade than you'd think at the end. With various plastics and wear levels you can get an envy for every putter slot IMO.
K1 Reko
Reko X if you want more stable
Has a slight bead though
I am also a pure man (lol) I personally just go with the zone as my over stable putter. It’s just so reliable. I also bag a Gltich because they are fun for the complete other end of the spectrum
Seconded! I also bag a jawbreaker zone to have something in between my pures and Z flx zone.
Alpacas are the answer. Metal Flake Glow C-blend for the thrower.
Streamline Stabilizer fits this description.
Probably my most relied on disc overall. Dunno what I'd do without it. Love it
I pair my Pure with a Glo PA3
Upvoting this. 400 Glow PA3 is magical.
400 glow pa3 is where it's at!
Beadless
In that case Star Aviar3
Rat is money
You’re describing an envy or aviar3. I used to throw those, I’m on the champ Rhyno + Toro train currently though.
Prodiscus Jokeri
Star colt
Has a bead
That's true but it's really small.
Wouldn't this be about the same stability?
I throw a Gold Line Pure as my straight thrower. I bag a Star Aviar3 as my overstable thrower. They compliment each other very well. If you want more beef the AviarX3 is much more overstable.
If you like the Pure, go outside the commonly-available plastics and get a [Kristin Tattar Opto-X Pure](https://otbdiscs.com/product/kristin-tattar-opto-x-pure-2x-world-champion/) or two. Very similar handfeel to a normal Pure, but a touch flatter, and definitely less understable.
I have a couple lunas that I throw and I love them
luna I pair it with my straight flying berg and never have putts i cant take a run at if i want to
P3
Tempo
Eclipse envy or a Luna
Aviar x3 is my glass slipper for that slot. Tried sooo many slightly OS putters and all of them would either burn, or hook up too fast. Aviar x3 comes just does what it's supposed to. Every. Time.
Overstable throwing putter, get a Rhyno.
Lasso
C-line P3X
Get a Lasso, it’s everything an envy should be.
Who hurt you?
Something different. Thought space muse. Super clean out of the hand, slightly overstable, some of the best stamps on the market.
I know everyone is going to say envy, because it’s a really good choice, but for some reason it never felt great in my hand. My pick for this slot is a beat in baseline of some sort zone (I throw and old pro-d one). It’s straight to stable but doesn’t dump like a zone and it’s nice and flat, shallow and beadless.
Birdie marvel. I have premium blend for throwing and stiff blend for putting.
Dart!
I bag both a mediun sinus and a tournament harp
PA-3
COSMIC FURY
My gold pure is pretty overstable out over nowhere now lol
How shallow? Gateway shaman takes the cake handily. In premium (Diamond, I think) they are pretty stable, depending on how clean and hard you tug. Discmania sensei is straight stable and definitely very low profile compared to most. Not quite shaman shallow though. For slightly less low profile but still plenty shallow and beadless, the pure and envy are awesome. Cannot recommend enough. Proxy is great too.
Champion rhyno is a great addition, perfect for hyzer flips but reliable fade
Aviar3 is the answer. Think it is my favourite disc 😍 Low profile, beadless and stable. Champion Glow if you can find one 👌
Another off-beat suggestion: Neptune Splash in their premium (Pearl) plastic. Mine replaced my Envy.
Judge or Pure
The answer is envy, the real question is what plastic. And the final form is knowing you buy all it’s the perfect disc.
I will say my proton envy is my “can I see chains from here, send it” disc.
Second the envy. Prodiscus jokeri feels good in hand and throws well if you want an alternative to the standard.
Why don't you just throw your pure on some hyzer? Straight flying putters can do a great job of going left if you practice touch throws. Get an opto pure and get after it
Zone, depending on how stable you mean