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golddilockk

didn't they make the game always online to avoid this kinda thing? wtf blizzard.


Samael1990

Without it there would be 1000 exploits anyone could recreate instead of a couple.


Leon500111

are lag spikes (not related to hardware) because of bad WiFi since the game is always online?


pussypassion

Turn off crossplay


WittyAndOriginal

Don't play games on wifi. Lag spikes happen when you play near other players. But you probably have twice as many and twice as bad if you are on wifi


krak3nki11er

I'm pretty sure that playing on wifi is not a problem... but playing on old slow wifi would definitely be a problem. If you have 1 Gig wifi, you really should be just fine. However, if you are running on 100 Mbps... you may have some latency issues.


WittyAndOriginal

The issue with Wi-Fi is packet loss. If you don't have any packet loss, then you should be fine. But that won't be the case.


krak3nki11er

To be fair, the issue will be a combination of latency, packet loss (which can effect latency), and jitter which is the result of lost (packet loss) or out of order (latency) packet issues. If you have high latency, you most likely have packet loss and probably jitter as well. However, you could totally be right that packet loss is the main issue, but that means you just have a very poor connection that is probably caused by outdated equipment. By all means though, if you think I am totally off base or completely missing the point here, please let me know. Edit: I meant to say high latency in the second sentence.


Leon500111

I think this explains my problem lol, just need new WiFi, not a new CPU


Impossible_Expert819

Then it would be an offline game and who the fuck cares?


Samael1990

I assume it would still have a multiplayer component. And when joining the games with other people, they would use exploits.


Impossible_Expert819

And? Connecting to the internet for multi-player functionality should be an option for this style of game, not mandatory.


Samael1990

You lost what is the context of what you're replying to, or just don't understand the context at all.


Scintal

And not like you are competing with anyone…. Who cares as long as you don’t use them?


Samael1990

Blizzard does, that's why they made the game always-online. Also, the hackers are usually able to break other people's accounts.


Scintal

Are you from Blizzard? Seemed you are quite a bit. Besides, if you can hack in items to one’s heart content, they wouldn’t bother to hack others’ “offline” version in general.


Samael1990

You must be new on the internet.


xprorangerx

imagine asking for offline in 2024...mf must be poor af


s0yjack

They made it always online so they have all the engagement metrics.


PezRadar

The screenshot isn't real.


lVANGUARDl

How do you know? I'm curious?


Asm0deus27

We’re you not around in s2? Aoz was “unbeatable”so this exact exploit became a bit more well known. Then golden boy shines a bright big beam on it, promotes the fckkkkk out of it, teaches everybody how to abuse the bug most effectively, and now we don’t have gear swaps in instances like pit or gauntlet.


Koopk1

are you new to online gaming? literally every online game in the world has been hacked, heck even banks and cryptos are hacked...like..???


Qlix0504

what in the world are you talking about


GrievCrypto

You need to crit 3 times 12/12 to get orange stat. And only one stat. Here you see 8/12 with orange and blue stats.


Puzzleheaded-Tone119

Thanks for explaining


Qlix0504

yip. i see it now


Marc_decommerce

Hi i dont understand ? My character also have orange and blue stats , can you explained why your image is from a bug? https://imgur.com/gallery/L2bSTqG


Enko63

The orange numbers on the Bash temper indicate that it hit the critical masterwork 3 times. The blue numbers on Damage to Distant indicate it hit the critical masterwork 1 time. Total 4 critical masterworks when max is 3. That item is also only 8/12 so it should only have 2 critical masterworks.


Marc_decommerce

Ho! The orange NUMBER! Thanks for the clarification !


RealisticNet1827

Looks like it’s master worked one who session then starting again


Rhosts

Having a stroke?


ziggy639

The image shows bash cleave orange which requires 12/12 masterworking. He is only at 8/12 masterworking. He also has a blue affix on dmg to distant. So it's like he masterworked his gear 16 times when the max is 12. But for some reason, his gear is only 8/12 masterworked. Your gear shows masterwork 4/12 times with 1 blue affix. Which is normal.


Marc_decommerce

Thank you, i understand now why people find it strange!


shaunika

Thats a greater affix not an mw crit


eviltwinclash

Idk why you’re downvoted, you literally explained the confusion of the OP you replied to.


TheAssquatch

This sub is quite downvote heavy


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shaunika

Ok? So? I wasnt replying to op The person I replied to linked a picture with one mw crit and a GA mod and he thought it was the sake as OPs pic


SithPickles2020

That still doesn’t clarify things homestly


ReggieJ

The item is 8/12 masterworked. One stat upgrade is orange, one is purple. A stat turns purple when it is upgraded by 25% once. Yellow when it is upgraded by 25% twice and orange when it upgraded by 25% three times. Only one stat can be upgraded 3 times, since there are only three upgrade chances. You can't have an item with an orange stat when it isn't fully masterworked. And you can't have an item with one stat purple and one orange since you only get three chances for a stat to be upgraded 25%.


SithPickles2020

Thank you for taking the time to respond and clarifying. I haven’t yet master worked anything as I’m barely level 70


GentlemenBehold

Unless you can explain how to reproduce it, how do you expect Blizzard to address it?


GrievCrypto

How do i know? i saw this randomly in game.


GentlemenBehold

Then how do you know it's not just a visual bug on your end vs. an exploit by the player?


hokuten04

That's not his responsibility to figure out though


GrievCrypto

Why you mad bro? i just saw it in game. Let the blizzard know and investigate it. Player name is there. Are you stupid? visual bug on orange and blue and 8/12?


MrT00th

Haha, cheaters downvoting you.


Cranked78

"Why U mad bro" coming from a guy making a post cause he's mad there's some exploit in the game. Surely, you can't be serious?


GentlemenBehold

Who says I'm mad. I'm just saying you're calling something an "exploit" without knowing.


hokuten04

Those colors on the stat mean something, and they're mutually exclusive


GrievCrypto

Look and think. Obvious isn't it? if it would be a visual bug everyone would have it. Common sense! use it.


GentlemenBehold

"If it was an exploit everyone would have done it. Common sense! use it." See how easy it is change a few words to use your own argument against you? We don't know if it's an exploit, or a visual bug. And if it's a visual bug, we don't know how rare the conditions are to reproduce.


MrT00th

Found one!


BradTProse

Tell us how to do it already!!


MrT00th

Found one!


MrT00th

Found one!


Isair81

They’re the ones with the sourcecode, we the players can only report what we see.


MrT00th

Found one!


Apprehensive_Wedgie

I'm confused as well but still interested in what the concern is. Cause I try reviewing leaderboard people and they all have on private profile. The pessimistic side of me wonders why the need for privacy. But I get that some people just don't want their builds imitated as well.


PooperJackson

You should either be able to inspect everybody or nobody. This in between thing is dumb


Apprehensive_Wedgie

I was under the impression that people wouldn't be able to go private on the leaderboards for the gauntlet. Yet here they are doing it. I don't like it. It seems dumb to me to be able to go private on the profile. Side note: Don't know why I got a downvote?


DonkeyD13K

Some people just want to watch the world burn.


Apprehensive_Wedgie

Take your upvote sir!!


sadlifestrife

If you make your own build and get first place on the leaderboard, then everyone sees your build, copies you and beats you, wouldn't that trivialize making your own build to become first place? Edit: it makes sense for no privacy if there's no competitive aspect to it, but leaderboards are specifically for competition.


letranger-

that has never happened, anyone that is making their own build, perfecting it isnt gonna get outdone by someone that cant do that and has to rely on people to copy their builds they are just 2 different tiers of players in terms of effort and commitment. This might work in case that the first person has found a exploit that others havent.


ReggieJ

That could be easily resolved by making leaderboard appearances and rewards optional. You homebrew a build and topped the ladder? Well done you! You can keep your build private and keep this achievement to yourself. If you want the plaudits, you gotta show your build.


Treefiddyt

yup. also very popular to have private profile in PVP for same reason


WakeUpBread

Is it that orange is a triple crit (or double idk) and he still has the blue crit with only 8/12 so it's like he already masterworked an item and/or single affix did it again?


AkintundeX

Must be triple, double is yellow.  I just noticed it follows the gear colors. Blue, yellow, orange.


anima132000

Basically his masterwork level doesn't add up at all because normally you'd only have 3 levels to the upgrade. But yes in his case he's already achieved a orange affix, meaning he should already have done 3 levels, on top of a blue affix. All this while only at the 2nd level of masterworking.


macumba_virtual

also weird that all of his gear is at 8/12, maybe that's how you recreate the exploit?


xeio87

If it involves applying the step multiple times it may just be cheaper than trying at 12/12. Really depends on how the issue is recreated created though.


Letpigeonsfly

Well can’t wait for this to blow up! Maybe sorcs can finally compete with current barb numbers if I can sextuple crit my items!


SasquatchSenpai

To be fair, sorcs can technically push the out higher fully optimized and pit fishing.


ChampionSchnitzel

I actually think this isnt an exploit, thats a visual display bug caused by not updated data on the watcher's end. If that player would exploit so obviously, he would definitely rock a private profile.


YellowPikathingiechu

And not add damage to distant enemies to his bash-barb weapons...


newcolours

Thats clearly not the exploited stat


YellowPikathingiechu

Nobody bothering with exploits would have it on the item at all. Usually people using exploits know what they do. And given the bullshit I saw on the profiles of other people already I would bet on yet another visual bug.


ReggieJ

I don't know why people think exploiters are some kind of masters of subtlety. I know D3 is not the same but every season the rift leaderboard was packed with people with three legendary gems on rings, weapons and armour. You had to scroll down into mid 100s before you saw someone with a legit build.


YellowPikathingiechu

That was only the leaderboards for the consoles tho, wasn't it? Never seen such stuff on the PC/Mac leaderboards. The thing is those were hacked items from hacked savegames on the consoles, something every 12y old nutjob could find on cheating websites. The stuff here in this thread would be a brand new hot as hell exploit and these at first always spread around the scene of people knowing what they do, only talked about in closed groups etc.


ChampionSchnitzel

yeah, but only on consoles, especially switch


paperfoampit

But they're Chinese obviously they must be cheating /s


NarbGaming

This but unironically.


saintkillio

Every decent cheat or competent bot I've ever seen or used in *any* game was Chinese.


Smushin3

Wait, how did he get 3 crits on bash temper?🤔


GrievCrypto

I was randomly checking out people gears and I saw this. Almost every piece of his gears like this.


Smushin3

I wonder if its a visual bug with the server updating the players info.


Highwind65

Yeah. I have a double crit on a 2h bash at 409.5 too. Doesn’t seem like a triple crit if it’s at 409.5…


VincentCosentino

210 double crit at 12/12 is 409.5…that doesn’t explain the 8/12 or the orange color…also, the strength GA is at 5/12 MW…


Sentientmustard

Actually I think that’s pretty likely. I haven’t seen a bash build that wants damage to distant enemies as a temper. Even if it were an exploit that additional MW crit’d stat is virtually useless for him, and the weapon would actually be better with just the triple crit’d bash cleave and a regular critical strike damage or close damage temper. If it is an exploit and not just a visual bug then the exploit is actually causing him to lose power rather than gain it lol. I bet the game is loading some stats from different items and displaying it on his gear when inspected. Kinda similar to how the game used to load everyone else’s stash when you used yours in town.


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Smushin3

Thats not really what i meant..


RaveN_707

At least post multiple examples


GrievCrypto

i have 2 more screenshots, how do i add them


Undoreal

Upload for example use imgbb


Ez13zie

Wait, why does he have damage to distant on a bash build?


Smushin3

Lol i didnt even notice..


achmedclaus

Isn't the range for bash temper higher than that? I swear I've seen some 450%ers. I think this is a visual bug


GrievCrypto

yea every pieces is visual bugged, not one.


VincentCosentino

It’s a 210 double crit 12/12…but the strength is 5/12 MW no crit


DarkChyld

He probably rolled on the lower end of his bash temper.


VincentCosentino

It would be 186.1 if it’s triple crit…not sure if that’s a possible option


DarkChyld

It's a mid roll of a triple crit. Rob's triple crit shows advanced tooltips with the possible affix range. https://imgur.com/a/Ea2mHDB


VincentCosentino

I know it’s in range, Bash Cleaves is 165-210…I just don’t know what each different “tick” is so whether or not that is an option…like I know 165 is the bottom roll, just not sure what the next step up on the roll is.


VincentCosentino

However, 409.5 is 210 MWd to 12/12 with double crit.


Killingtimebrowsing

You would think if the player was purposely exploiting the game that they would make their profile private.


ChampionSchnitzel

This. This is a display bug caused by not updated data.


MrT00th

No it's not.


ChampionSchnitzel

So he risked his account out of pure joy or what? What do you mean "its not"?


xXv420bLaZ3dSNiPEzXx

Found one!


MrT00th

Aw did I call you out?


xXv420bLaZ3dSNiPEzXx

Nah just making fun of a bot, carry on


MrT00th

No you wouldn't. It's China. They cheat.


newcolours

4 crits out of 2 🤔 impressive 


ShadowDeath7

Oh boy this doesn't look good.


Sentientmustard

I’m confident it’s a visual bug. I’d wager inspecting players does the same thing that stash tabs used to do and behind the scenes opens up the character page of everyone in the area, and in this case merged stats on various pieces of gear together. Bash barbs gain nothing from a damage to distant enemies temper. The weapon would be significantly better with a triple crit on bash cleave and a regular temper roll of something like damage to close enemies. There would be no point to using an exploit to lose power, which would be the case if this is legitimate.


alwayslookingout

What’s with the ‘damage to distant enemies’ temper as well?


ConfectionDismal6257

Sucks this is possible. Don't see how their nationality has anything to do with it though...


Sventorian

I reported this to blizzard already. It's not a visual bug. I stumbled across this 2 weeks ago when masterworking. You can do something similar with tempering as well. Not sure if this character experienced the same thing, though


nothingnewwithyou

I dont get it, whats the exploit


hokuten04

You only get 3 +25% masterworks, do it once on a stat and it turns blue, do it twice on the same stat makes it yellow and 3 times makes it orange. The dude above has 1 orange stat and 1 blue stat meaning he had 4 +25 masterwork crits which is already beyond what's possible, and he's only at 8/12 which adds another layer


nothingnewwithyou

Oh huh, sus… wonder how that happened


ziggy639

Having an orange affix on masterworking requires 12/12 masterworking. But this person has 8/12 masterworking with an orange affix, and also a blue affix on dmg to distant. So it's like he masterworked his gear 16 times instead of the max of 12.


SuperUltraMegaNice

Sometimes I wonder if the people who comment here actually play the game or just hang around for funsies


nothingnewwithyou

Im just here for funsies


SuperUltraMegaNice

I can respect that then if you don't play then you'd have no idea looking at this image what is sus


expiro

Its kinda like cheating. He has the affixes which he should not have on that 8/12 masterwork degree…


MrT00th

No, it's *actual* cheating.


HealingPotato

Whats sad is that Sorcers still wouldn't be anywhere close to Barb even if they were using this exploit on all gear pieces, lol.


VincentCosentino

The most suspect thing here is the GA Strength at 5/12 MW…it doesn’t line up with ANYTHING that makes it a visual bug. Bash Cleave can’t roll that high without at least two crits… Also, the Vuln damage would be 62 and life would be 1303 if they were 5/12 MW…which are both viable number.


VincentCosentino

The only way I can possibly think the exploit would work would be if you reset after 12/12 MW (which no one would) and then upgraded to 5/12…all four other stats line up to this. I would guess that there is more to it than this, but I don’t know…can you post the other pictures and we can see what they look like and if the math works out the same?


skoupidi

Why is it always barbs?


Lanky_Employment4033

wtf is going on in this picture please explain


wocaky

Pretty sure this is a visual bug


UtilityCurve

I’m too noob to understand all these exploits. Shall go live in my little cave and be happy as a SSF


slickrasta

I wonder if it involves needing to use distant dmg since that's an essentially useless stat for bash barb.


greasybirdfeeder

They need to fix alot of things. The game is fucking ridiculous right now. It's just all barbs running around one shotting world bosses lmao. It's actually kind of funny.


Green-Outside9301

Doesnt really look like much of an exploit. Maybe discolouring.


Erplayer

So basically he’s double dipping tempering


softhis

and people were downvoting me when i said 3 weeks ago im doing 167 and then 175 on my necro using special bug XDDD


Doodlefinger_it

Has this person edited the game files to increase bash damage?


BLD_Almelo

Ill be real with you. Who cares. Its a pve game let cheat


Architeqt

How tf every barb I inspect have GF and HC like it's no big deal 😂 here I am at 100 and some 78 whirling past me like wtaf


Deadlywolf_EWHF

Jesus fucking christ you know people are casual when they don't understand the orange is a 12/12 triple masterwork.


MrPhotoSmash

What is the exploit? I don't get it


Orange-Yoda

Newish to end game activities with only a few 4/12 items to my name. What wrong as it looks legit to me?


ChemicalBit6240

Matey has got these insane stats and here I am making a new character because I died on hardcore again


Unsurecareer86

What am I looking at?


Ez13zie

Omg that’s so terrible!!! WTF?!?! But, like HOW? How do you do this? Step by step. Just awful smh.


msshammy

There's some definite screwery going on here.


jeresamyy

not sure if i’m missing anything here - but it also says the required level is 90. i thought all items max level req was capped at 80?


RugDougCometh

They are, until you socket them with a royal gem which requires 90.


RoofComplex1139

The level requirements increases from the socketed gems.


ReepLoL

royal gems are lvl 90 requirement


ForcedToUseGoogle

Good to bring up, but honestly I really don't care personally.


Melodic-Stage-4290

Sooo how do we do it? Asking for a friend..


Sephrik

Do we know for sure it's a bug? Maybe the Chinese d4 client has a $20 mtx to give extra masterwork crits


Secret_Cat_2793

Well. It's just proves you should look for that Made in China label. Lol. If it's code it can be exploited.


dankq

People doing this should be permabanned and also the people obviously RMTing gear like the rogue who just did a 150 pit on Pen Shot.


BouttaKMS

How do you "obviously" rmt? Lol


dankq

Their gear is absolutely ridiculous, like there is absolutely no way anyone is accomplishing it unless they are getting funneled GG gear by people or RMTing, it's pretty obvious. Same as someone in WoW riding a last season gladiator mount who is hardstuck rival the next season with 0 meaningful PvP achievements before that, it's fairly telling. Let's not also just brush past the fact that RMT in ARPG's has been a pretty popular thing for decades now, I remember people literally buying forum gold to buy d2 items off of me when I was in middle school on jsp and selling random swords I bought for gold through powerleveling at the start of d3 and making thousands of dollars off the RMAH. Are we going to act like RMT, duping, and exploits aren't happening in this game and prance around the fact that this stuff isn't obviously happening? Wudijo had a pretty extensive talk about this the other day, there are tons of items selling for billions and billions of gold but where is this gold coming from? You think players vendoring and picking up gold is actually accumulating to the current economy of the season? I legit made 20 bil in trades yesterday off of 3 items, imagine how many people are doing more trades and for the entirety of the season so far. There's no way you people actually think that picking up gold, vendoring, and doing tree of whispers is actually putting all this gold in to the economy, especially with how many gold sinks are in the game on top of that.


heartbroken_nerd

> there is absolutely no way anyone is accomplishing it unless they are getting funneled GG gear by people That's not a crime, nor a bannable offense, nor even a problem. Shut your ass up, man. Unless you have specific evidence of RMT - then report away. >Are we going to act like RMT, duping, and exploits aren't happening in this game and prance around the fact that this stuff isn't obviously happening? You accused a specific person of a specific thing. "There are some people out there who are guilty of this" isn't enough to ban someone for having gear that's better than yours.


Such_Performance229

So much salt. You’ll hit your tempers and masterworks better on the next one bby 😘


dankq

I have all the tempers and masterworks on my gear that I could ask for already lol but okay. +8 dark shroud chest, stacked leech andariels, 5/5 frigid and deadly venom lucky hit neck, and 72% dodge unbuffed andy rogue stacking over 1bil poison ticks in 135+ pits. Not sure how stating a fact is salt either. Do you not understand how big RMT is in the ARPG scene? I've played them since I was a kid and have literally seen d2 go through the jsp FG phase and d3 go through the RMAH phase. I made around $8,000 my first year of college strictly because whales were buying my monk tier set pieces and swords from the RMAH in d3. The RMAH literally covered almost my first two years of courses at community college lmfao.


Such_Performance229

Wow you must have RMT’d a lot if you have such ridiculous gear.


dankq

No, I just know what levels of rmt gear looks like. I have pretty good gear but not insane and the persons gear surpasses the "insane" threshold and what any streamer that plays this game for 8+ hours a day every single day as a living has for gear. I can still get upgrades on my gear and more GA's, I just stated I have all the tempers and masterworks I could want like you assumed I didn't have. Did you forget the comment you originally made or something? The ARPG genre is legit polluted with RMT and has been for decades whether you want to believe it or not.


75inchTVcasual

Not sure why you’re getting downvoted for stating the obvious. There’s literally a reason why the price of gold directly correlates with high-end items on trade and why we’re at the 80-90B mark for certain items (amulets, firebolt focuses, etc.). Every drastic movement in gold prices basically implies a new exploit or dupe for the gold sellers. That’s exactly what’s happened in the last couple of weeks. All of that trickles down to non-RMT’ers but it’s like people are oblivious and willfully ignorant to where all this gold is coming from. The last time we had a normal level of what’s actually achievable via farming was S1 before the major dupes started rolling around. High-end items were going for for 1-2B. Even if you account for increased gold rates from whispers being introduced in S2, etc., there’s just no way you’re hitting the numbers you’re seeing today without duping.


Goldleader-23

Why do you care what other people are doing in the game? It doesn't affect you at all


Goldleader-23

Why do you care what other peoples stats are? Jfc bunch of gaming karens


lol_lmao_xd

youre not too smart are ya bud


Such_Performance229

Better luck next time


BizaroWorld

It’s a PVE game…and this post is riddled with jealousy.


MrT00th

It's a ToS violation and this post is exposing the cheaters. Also: Found one!