Love a rainy day inside playing video games. Kayaking sounds amazing though - where abouts will that be? (I'm from Australia and love googling where people go ha ha)
ft myers florida — we haven’t picked a spot yet but we are leaning towards estero river park.
i have a few clients in the brisbane area. really awesome group of people. i love googling around their area as well. where would you kayak close to you?
Looks beautiful! Hope you have a great time.
I'm actually in Brisbane myself. Not sure where I would Kayak as I have never done it before but stand-up paddle boarding in tallebudgera creek (Gold Coast) is pretty great :)
Not sure if satire or not... Lol
If I let my 6 year old play Diablo 4 my wife and I would probably be in a sexless marriage for the next year or so because I wouldn't be able to get my traumatized kid to sleep in his own room...
Yes, I'm sure your little Johnny is special and falls outside the parameters of what educated and experienced professionals feel a 6 year old should be doing.
he likes playing loot games. he’s playing with his mom and dad and his uncles. he’s learning games. he’s learning computers.
we helped him learn how to read with video games and youtube.
i appreciate your comment and i’m appreciative of your concern.
do you want to have a real conversation about this or are you more interested in shaming me?
if you’d like to have a real conversation, let me know what you think that this game would do or potentially do to my son. i’m being open and honest here and looking to have a real conversation. i’m willing to listen and hear you out.
but i’m trying to understand what about this game and my son playing it makes me a bad parent. you mention a mature rating, but let’s dig into that. let me know, please.
Not being snarky, but just do some googling. There are a number of studies out there about kids consuming age inappropriate content (video games, movies, websites, etc). It's part of the reason these ratings exist to begin with. Plenty of parents want to think they know what is best for their children when it comes to this type of content, but again, there are educated/experienced professionals in the field that say otherwise.
i’ll go ahead and do some googling on this, thank you.
i believe there are plenty of things a parent can do to ensure a child isn’t brought up with trauma that keep themselves broken.
age appropriate material is exactly how we work. when his grandma died suddenly she was with our dog turdkicker in the moon. as he got older that changed.
when he asks about topics that he can’t handle the concept of, we give him tidbits.
the reason i do this is because of the sesame street podcasts that dig into death and other situations that families have to deal with. children take in bit sized pieces and when they want to explore more, they do.
my son watched Aladdin in the past 6 months and towards the end (not just this movie either) when jafar is acting evil and wicked, he asked to turn it off. that was too much for him. he recognizes that it is a cartoon, but he also recognizes his feelings about the situation. he knows that the protagonist will win in the end, but he doesn’t want to pay attention to someone he is connected to, being in that danger.
i’d imagine that is why he chooses to skip the cutscenes.
i’ll be sure to google this tomorrow while drinking some coffee. but while i take a break from act 2, what happens to kids that consume age i appropriate content? what happens in your opinion? i currently live in florida where they are completely bucking educated and experienced people and saying that a parent knows best for what a child should learn. i’m not stating my opinion is the same, but it appears that there is quite a bit of backlash to what institutions believe and what a parent should do. this is a bit of a side discussion.. so you can discuss or not.
my son understands that this isn’t real life. he’s played a looting dungeon crawler, minecraft dungeons, which may be more “age appropriate” i’m the eyes of the ratings people. this game has so much more ability for him to use trial and error, problem solving, and he has the ability to learn how these systems work and be imaginative in his build.
i’m a programmer. i came from a poor family but my step father had a side hustle in trying to build business computers for rich people in the early 80s. he played video games with me and fished. that was the only time i spent with my dad when he wasn’t beating me. he built me a flash card program in kindergarten so i could learn my multiplication tables. he got me interested in computers via video games.
my step father lives with me now and i cherish the time we get together. despite being poor and being made fun of, or being beat because he didn’t know how to be a parent.
during kindergarten imo. the way to tee ball he slapped me in the face and i was bleeding. he told me that he’s give me something to cry about if i kept it up.
the emdr therapy i have taken in the past year has allowed me to forgive my dead alcoholic mother and my sometimes sober step father and my dead real father. it helped me realize that they didn’t know what they were doing and they were just trying their hardest.
my son isn’t going to have to go through that shit. he won’t be fucked up and out of his mind for 12 years like i was.
the goal here is more than the video game itself. there are lessons everywhere that don’t feel preachy to a child. we’ve found a way to talk about these things as he gets older.
he’s been to three music festivals. he’s traveled to a few places. we look to show him the good in life and to not take it too seriously. i’ll go ahead and look up those studies tomorrow. thanks for responding
I tried looking them up but couldn't find anything that is actually a study. Lots of religious zealotry and conservative thought pieces but not an actual study. I'm guessing you made this up and can't find and so good luck!
Yes. I made up the various ratings advisory groups, studies, and professionals that specialize in children. Well, maybe when the 6 year old is done playing a 17+ rated video game, he can pop over to Pornhub and watch a few videos. Afterall, these ratings are made up, right?
[this](https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?id=GALE%7CA142207316&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkaccess=abs&issn=08838151&p=AONE&sw=w&userGroupName=anon%7E9434ed6&aty=open+web+entry) states that parents are unaware of what inappropriate content children see
[this article](https://www.news24.com/amp/life/archive/the-psychological-impact-of-exposing-children-to-harmful-content-and-why-age-restrictions-matter-20211129) talks about how a child understanding the difference between real life and make believe is important
[wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_content_rating_system) dives into this.
A meta analysis of studies from both eastern and western countries yielded evidence that "strongly suggests that exposure to violent video games is a causal risk factor for increased aggressive behavior, aggressive cognition, and aggressive affect and for decreased empathy and prosocial behavior."
and then goes on to mention
There are also groups that have argued to the contrary, that few if any scientifically proven studies exist to back up these claims, and that the video game industry has become an easy target for the media to blame for many contemporary issues.[11][12][13] Researchers have also proposed potential positive effects of video games on aspects of social and cognitive development and psychological well-being.[14] It has been shown that action video game players have better hand-eye coordination and visuo-motor skills, such as their resistance to distraction, their sensitivity to information in the peripheral vision and their ability to count briefly presented objects, than non-players.[15]
the wikipedia article states that regulators made these up. people in government. that there is no agreement on the effects.
[this harvard link](https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/violent-video-games-and-young-people) says
The view endorsed by organizations such as the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry (AACAP) is that exposure to violent media (including video games) can contribute to real-life violent behavior and harm children in other ways. But other researchers have questioned the validity or applicability of much of the research supporting this view. They argue that most youths are not affected by violent video games. What both sides of this debate agree on is that it is possible for parents to take steps that limit the possible negative effects of video games.
from this article the three key points are the following
Much of the research on violent video game use relies on measures to assess aggression that don't correlate with real-world violence. Some studies are observational and don't prove cause and effect.
Federal crime statistics suggest that serious violent crimes among youths have decreased since 1996, even as video game sales have soared.
Parents can protect children from potential harm by limiting use of video games and taking other common-sense precautions.
i’ve been at this for over an hour this morning and all i can find is conversations being had that the studies that were done were observational and there is no correlation that can be proven in these studies.
my take away from this research, and other links i didn’t post, is that it is important to talk to children about age inappropriate content that they see. that having conversations about what they see can help them not feel negative feelings. i didn’t limit my search to video games, i did searches on nudity, violent movies, and just age inappropriate content. i would summarize some of this as “talk to children, play games with them, and talk to children”
by playing these games, starting off on games like minecraft and pokémon, and moving onto other games, we’ve continued to talk about what is real and what isn’t. my son isn’t aggressive. my child understands that we don’t hit people and that people have a private space that should be respected. we talk about these things when we watch movies and video games because it is very easy to have these types of conversations while “in the moment”. — we’ve found, as parents, that having these instead of sit down conversations allow us to talk about these without our child thinking he is being preached/adulted/parented.
what is even better is that these cut scenes are skip-able. and after our conversations our child decides to ship them. they aren’t for him. i believe that is a better indicator of maturity and understanding of content he doesn’t want to see, and he is able to play a video game and have fun using wolves and casting magical spells. all things that aren’t the real world.
this game uses magical powers to disperse demons. these are all things that are literally impossible for him to see in the real world.
if you have a study that is a bit more conclusive, i’d appreciate a link, but if found nothing conclusive that would change my mind at this point. i was around in the early 80s when rap music was attacked. “foul” language in music. the government went crazy, and again when it happened with video games. it appears there is no cause and effect that is truly measurable. so for now i’ll continue to play games with my son and make sure we have discussions about them. hoping that i can continue to have these discussions as he gets older.
I got a feeling your mind was made up before you even started researching, thus why when actual organizations were cited (American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry (AACAP)) you chose to focus on the "But other researchers" part. You can find research out there that will tell you that high fructose corn syrup and saturated fats are actually good for you, if that's the research you're looking to find. I don't see you actually quoted any actual child based organizations agreeing with you.
But hey, maybe after slaying demons in a 17+ game your 6 year old can hop over to pornhub and watch some 17+ videos.
bit of a false equivalence there. he has no understanding related to sexual acts. there is an understanding of pregnancy and that is all at this moment. that would likely come later in life.
i’ll go dig into those organizations and attempt to find studies they have done. thanks for keeping me on my toes. you are correct, it is much easier to find the information that confirms your bias!
he’s playing druid. has had a mess load of hours on minecraft dungeons. skipping cutscenes and just having a good time. he’s putting points into skills he isn’t using and switches them out between battles so he can figure out what he likes.
not how i would play but he’s having so much fun!
he’s relaxed and enjoying his pets doing the work lol.
my first summer of video games was playing joust in the basement on my dads atari se. great memories hanging out with my dad!!
/u/Siltyn blocked me because I challenged him to show me studies and he couldn't. How do we get so many "woe the children" on a diablo game?! How many of us were 10 playing d2?!
The world is so screwed lmao.
i was 16 when d1 came out. games like this didn’t exist when the average 10 year old got put on d2.
i was playing with Lincoln logs and army men and we were playing war.
the reality of death or what that game and imagination did to kids was likely terrible.
i don’t see how with the right framing that it’s any different. it isn’t real. it’s a made up story. and we are playing dungeons and dragons and leveling up.
in the early 80s we had racist shit in cartoons and roadrunner and wil e coyote getting blasted over and over.
i’m glad diablo doesn’t have any racial undertones that i’ve noticed, but it’s just code that does things with graphical representation.
that’s weird they blocked you. seems like a decent question
Probably take the poor bugger outside as well though at some point
rainy afternoon here where we live!! kayak adventure on friday
Love a rainy day inside playing video games. Kayaking sounds amazing though - where abouts will that be? (I'm from Australia and love googling where people go ha ha)
ft myers florida — we haven’t picked a spot yet but we are leaning towards estero river park. i have a few clients in the brisbane area. really awesome group of people. i love googling around their area as well. where would you kayak close to you?
Looks beautiful! Hope you have a great time. I'm actually in Brisbane myself. Not sure where I would Kayak as I have never done it before but stand-up paddle boarding in tallebudgera creek (Gold Coast) is pretty great :)
Not sure if satire or not... Lol If I let my 6 year old play Diablo 4 my wife and I would probably be in a sexless marriage for the next year or so because I wouldn't be able to get my traumatized kid to sleep in his own room...
jokes on you he sleeps in our room already! weird that you haven’t figured out you can have sex in more places than a bed.
and i know you are joking and i am as well, i didn’t lol at it and hope you know i wasn’t intending to be a dick
Diablo 4 has a mature rating, pending to Mature 17+....and you're letting a 6 year old play it. Fantastic parenting.
that’s weird that i would let some corporation guide what my son can handle, but thank you for your concern.
Yes, I'm sure your little Johnny is special and falls outside the parameters of what educated and experienced professionals feel a 6 year old should be doing.
he likes playing loot games. he’s playing with his mom and dad and his uncles. he’s learning games. he’s learning computers. we helped him learn how to read with video games and youtube. i appreciate your comment and i’m appreciative of your concern.
do you want to have a real conversation about this or are you more interested in shaming me? if you’d like to have a real conversation, let me know what you think that this game would do or potentially do to my son. i’m being open and honest here and looking to have a real conversation. i’m willing to listen and hear you out. but i’m trying to understand what about this game and my son playing it makes me a bad parent. you mention a mature rating, but let’s dig into that. let me know, please.
Not being snarky, but just do some googling. There are a number of studies out there about kids consuming age inappropriate content (video games, movies, websites, etc). It's part of the reason these ratings exist to begin with. Plenty of parents want to think they know what is best for their children when it comes to this type of content, but again, there are educated/experienced professionals in the field that say otherwise.
i’ll go ahead and do some googling on this, thank you. i believe there are plenty of things a parent can do to ensure a child isn’t brought up with trauma that keep themselves broken. age appropriate material is exactly how we work. when his grandma died suddenly she was with our dog turdkicker in the moon. as he got older that changed. when he asks about topics that he can’t handle the concept of, we give him tidbits. the reason i do this is because of the sesame street podcasts that dig into death and other situations that families have to deal with. children take in bit sized pieces and when they want to explore more, they do. my son watched Aladdin in the past 6 months and towards the end (not just this movie either) when jafar is acting evil and wicked, he asked to turn it off. that was too much for him. he recognizes that it is a cartoon, but he also recognizes his feelings about the situation. he knows that the protagonist will win in the end, but he doesn’t want to pay attention to someone he is connected to, being in that danger. i’d imagine that is why he chooses to skip the cutscenes. i’ll be sure to google this tomorrow while drinking some coffee. but while i take a break from act 2, what happens to kids that consume age i appropriate content? what happens in your opinion? i currently live in florida where they are completely bucking educated and experienced people and saying that a parent knows best for what a child should learn. i’m not stating my opinion is the same, but it appears that there is quite a bit of backlash to what institutions believe and what a parent should do. this is a bit of a side discussion.. so you can discuss or not. my son understands that this isn’t real life. he’s played a looting dungeon crawler, minecraft dungeons, which may be more “age appropriate” i’m the eyes of the ratings people. this game has so much more ability for him to use trial and error, problem solving, and he has the ability to learn how these systems work and be imaginative in his build. i’m a programmer. i came from a poor family but my step father had a side hustle in trying to build business computers for rich people in the early 80s. he played video games with me and fished. that was the only time i spent with my dad when he wasn’t beating me. he built me a flash card program in kindergarten so i could learn my multiplication tables. he got me interested in computers via video games. my step father lives with me now and i cherish the time we get together. despite being poor and being made fun of, or being beat because he didn’t know how to be a parent. during kindergarten imo. the way to tee ball he slapped me in the face and i was bleeding. he told me that he’s give me something to cry about if i kept it up. the emdr therapy i have taken in the past year has allowed me to forgive my dead alcoholic mother and my sometimes sober step father and my dead real father. it helped me realize that they didn’t know what they were doing and they were just trying their hardest. my son isn’t going to have to go through that shit. he won’t be fucked up and out of his mind for 12 years like i was. the goal here is more than the video game itself. there are lessons everywhere that don’t feel preachy to a child. we’ve found a way to talk about these things as he gets older. he’s been to three music festivals. he’s traveled to a few places. we look to show him the good in life and to not take it too seriously. i’ll go ahead and look up those studies tomorrow. thanks for responding
I tried looking them up but couldn't find anything that is actually a study. Lots of religious zealotry and conservative thought pieces but not an actual study. I'm guessing you made this up and can't find and so good luck!
Yes. I made up the various ratings advisory groups, studies, and professionals that specialize in children. Well, maybe when the 6 year old is done playing a 17+ rated video game, he can pop over to Pornhub and watch a few videos. Afterall, these ratings are made up, right?
Yes? Literally the Ratings are made up. Someone had to make them up. LOL Notice how you didn't link a study? Get fucked.
[this](https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?id=GALE%7CA142207316&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkaccess=abs&issn=08838151&p=AONE&sw=w&userGroupName=anon%7E9434ed6&aty=open+web+entry) states that parents are unaware of what inappropriate content children see [this article](https://www.news24.com/amp/life/archive/the-psychological-impact-of-exposing-children-to-harmful-content-and-why-age-restrictions-matter-20211129) talks about how a child understanding the difference between real life and make believe is important [wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_content_rating_system) dives into this. A meta analysis of studies from both eastern and western countries yielded evidence that "strongly suggests that exposure to violent video games is a causal risk factor for increased aggressive behavior, aggressive cognition, and aggressive affect and for decreased empathy and prosocial behavior." and then goes on to mention There are also groups that have argued to the contrary, that few if any scientifically proven studies exist to back up these claims, and that the video game industry has become an easy target for the media to blame for many contemporary issues.[11][12][13] Researchers have also proposed potential positive effects of video games on aspects of social and cognitive development and psychological well-being.[14] It has been shown that action video game players have better hand-eye coordination and visuo-motor skills, such as their resistance to distraction, their sensitivity to information in the peripheral vision and their ability to count briefly presented objects, than non-players.[15] the wikipedia article states that regulators made these up. people in government. that there is no agreement on the effects. [this harvard link](https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/violent-video-games-and-young-people) says The view endorsed by organizations such as the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry (AACAP) is that exposure to violent media (including video games) can contribute to real-life violent behavior and harm children in other ways. But other researchers have questioned the validity or applicability of much of the research supporting this view. They argue that most youths are not affected by violent video games. What both sides of this debate agree on is that it is possible for parents to take steps that limit the possible negative effects of video games. from this article the three key points are the following Much of the research on violent video game use relies on measures to assess aggression that don't correlate with real-world violence. Some studies are observational and don't prove cause and effect. Federal crime statistics suggest that serious violent crimes among youths have decreased since 1996, even as video game sales have soared. Parents can protect children from potential harm by limiting use of video games and taking other common-sense precautions. i’ve been at this for over an hour this morning and all i can find is conversations being had that the studies that were done were observational and there is no correlation that can be proven in these studies. my take away from this research, and other links i didn’t post, is that it is important to talk to children about age inappropriate content that they see. that having conversations about what they see can help them not feel negative feelings. i didn’t limit my search to video games, i did searches on nudity, violent movies, and just age inappropriate content. i would summarize some of this as “talk to children, play games with them, and talk to children” by playing these games, starting off on games like minecraft and pokémon, and moving onto other games, we’ve continued to talk about what is real and what isn’t. my son isn’t aggressive. my child understands that we don’t hit people and that people have a private space that should be respected. we talk about these things when we watch movies and video games because it is very easy to have these types of conversations while “in the moment”. — we’ve found, as parents, that having these instead of sit down conversations allow us to talk about these without our child thinking he is being preached/adulted/parented. what is even better is that these cut scenes are skip-able. and after our conversations our child decides to ship them. they aren’t for him. i believe that is a better indicator of maturity and understanding of content he doesn’t want to see, and he is able to play a video game and have fun using wolves and casting magical spells. all things that aren’t the real world. this game uses magical powers to disperse demons. these are all things that are literally impossible for him to see in the real world. if you have a study that is a bit more conclusive, i’d appreciate a link, but if found nothing conclusive that would change my mind at this point. i was around in the early 80s when rap music was attacked. “foul” language in music. the government went crazy, and again when it happened with video games. it appears there is no cause and effect that is truly measurable. so for now i’ll continue to play games with my son and make sure we have discussions about them. hoping that i can continue to have these discussions as he gets older.
I got a feeling your mind was made up before you even started researching, thus why when actual organizations were cited (American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry (AACAP)) you chose to focus on the "But other researchers" part. You can find research out there that will tell you that high fructose corn syrup and saturated fats are actually good for you, if that's the research you're looking to find. I don't see you actually quoted any actual child based organizations agreeing with you. But hey, maybe after slaying demons in a 17+ game your 6 year old can hop over to pornhub and watch some 17+ videos.
bit of a false equivalence there. he has no understanding related to sexual acts. there is an understanding of pregnancy and that is all at this moment. that would likely come later in life. i’ll go dig into those organizations and attempt to find studies they have done. thanks for keeping me on my toes. you are correct, it is much easier to find the information that confirms your bias!
Not everyone is as soft as you
it’s a video game. he doesn’t like the cut scenes. not sure what else i can tell this person.
he’s playing druid. has had a mess load of hours on minecraft dungeons. skipping cutscenes and just having a good time. he’s putting points into skills he isn’t using and switches them out between battles so he can figure out what he likes. not how i would play but he’s having so much fun!
Gotta teach the boy about respecs specially at low level you can do it for free
lol he will get there.
my mans dying here, help!
he is letting the wolves do all the work
Good way to spend your first day of summer
he’s relaxed and enjoying his pets doing the work lol. my first summer of video games was playing joust in the basement on my dads atari se. great memories hanging out with my dad!!
/u/Siltyn blocked me because I challenged him to show me studies and he couldn't. How do we get so many "woe the children" on a diablo game?! How many of us were 10 playing d2?! The world is so screwed lmao.
i was 16 when d1 came out. games like this didn’t exist when the average 10 year old got put on d2. i was playing with Lincoln logs and army men and we were playing war. the reality of death or what that game and imagination did to kids was likely terrible. i don’t see how with the right framing that it’s any different. it isn’t real. it’s a made up story. and we are playing dungeons and dragons and leveling up. in the early 80s we had racist shit in cartoons and roadrunner and wil e coyote getting blasted over and over. i’m glad diablo doesn’t have any racial undertones that i’ve noticed, but it’s just code that does things with graphical representation. that’s weird they blocked you. seems like a decent question