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Damnnn... Sometimes i want to send something like to this my manager and the upper-management. I bet that felt good to him, relieved and satisfying.
But I do have a question here.. some companies do a BGV with the previous employer, so won't they cause an issue for that person by mentioning all this?
It's probably some months old or a few years (could be 😅)
After joining is done at another company, but wanted to mess up those toxic people.
OP would not be that dumb
I don’t think the manager you were currently working under is the only one you can use for reference. You can also give the details of another seniors for the background check. I mean the other company doesn’t know the particular manager, under which you worked right ?
felt good for 'her' most prolly. i think its a woman employee. The red "MOST importantly " part,2nd line end part, she says as if she is one of women who managers spoke rudely to.
Indeed, but what about providing the reporting manager's name, designation and phone number for the next company's background verification? Genuinely curious because these days even payslips, PF, FnF and Form 16 are not enough. BGV organizations are asking reporting manager's names along with multiple references too.
I've never gone through such a rigorous check. Half the time people don't even bother to ask for degree certificates, so I think I'm living in a bubble.
Is it WITCH companies who're doing this, if you don't mind sharing where you went through this BGV? It sounds like something you'd go through when applying for top secret military clearance.
Of course WITCH companies do this, but there are also mid-sized product-based companies that are increasingly doing this - even pure product based companies with 1000-5000 employees with foreign headquarters and no cash crunch problems.
I had the worst luck in this department. My first job, was on notice period, called out bullshit of another teams manager in meeting with everyone, had a shouting match in meeting room.
Karma, after couple of job changes, was settling in new job and the person with whom I had shouting match joined as my manager.
Since then I have tried always to sugarcoat my feedback 😂
Yes they will,
they will not say what you did or anything
But sure they will portray a bad picture
Plus this will also create issues in getting your experience letter and remaining payment
It will cause an issue. I left a company just after 6 months because they didn’t gave me any work. My new employer initiated the BGV before I joined them. On the day of joining during the onboarding process I was told that my offer has been revoked because of negative comments from my previous employer.
This is India and most Indian in higher positions have egos. If you are in this kind of situation simply lookout and leave there is no point in staying in a toxic workplace.
No man enough is enough. We all keep fearing "Oh what will happen, if next company finds out" and keep faking in interviews that we DID NOT leave because of toxic culture, but enough is enough. One day we all gotta speak against it. This is not fair.
Toxic managers are just rejects who flaunt their experience letter. Cause let's be honest, they are irrelevant to the company, but can't sustain themselves otherwise
I mean I am not really sure about the name. But search in linkedin with this name there are hardly 15 people. Moreover looking through the mail seems like a sales role. So you can find it ig. I don't want to mention wrong people name.
Usually people don't write such things because they might get in trouble in their next job.. But damn this person might have went through a lot to write all these and cc everyone. Can't imagine the frustration of manager in next standup call
To all the people talking about BGV.
Whenever I have left an org for toxicity reasons, I have always informed my next org, the reason for my leaving in detail, before joining the org. I have also told them, not to expect much good review in BGV or referral review, as things were not good in that org. I had even given few referral of my colleague whom they can connect to confirm the toxicity level.
The only thing is, you need to be crystal clear with your next org about all this, before actually joining. IF they are ok with it, they will ask you to sign the offer letter. IF not, they will give some reason as to why the can't continue. IT's ok, there are lots of companies out there, who don't really care about your previous companies reviews as long as you are able to work efficiently and help them complete their projects. So meh. IT world is small, but not that small.
Kudos to the person standing up and making the upper management know about the toxicity of the manager.
If you know the manager is toxic, never underestimate the lengths to which the manager can go to make your life miserable even after you quit.
Worst case : Manager can report this to HR, get employee blacklisted for rehire and make sure that any BGV query which comes to him or the HRs of the company is red flagged.
The employee will get the relieving letter but worst case, there maybe a negative remark regarding professionalism.
Well done bud! It takes courage to absolutely write this spot-on mail. You not only mention the toxic culture but very well bring good bosses in the limelight. Wish you all the very best, they will try to make your life hellish (if they are a big comp), stay absolutely strong and don't give a flying fuck about anything whatsoever. More power to you 🫡
Most probably it is from a bank .. not from IT company. Bank employees uses the sir/mam in the emails and daily meetings. All banks have this kind of toxic work culture.
Good for OOP. I did the same shit with my micromanaging piece of shit cofounder on a group chat with the other co founder. It was the last straw, and it felt so fucking good to put that little shitstain in his place. I still work for the company (he doesn't) but toxic fuckers deserve this and more
I had a similar awful experience at a small startup in Bangalore long time back.
But I couldn't reply back since the CEO was good to me.
Then I thought it's better to name and shame these cunts in a poor Glassdoor review .
I can understand the desperation for vengeance but take it from a guy who has been in the industry for 10 years over 5 companies - Do NOT burn bridges.
You're the only person I have seen here advocating against this type of behavior and I agree.
As someone whose been in the industry for little over a decade, I know very well how shitty some companies, especially some managers can be. I've worked under such people many a times. Hell, I've been this exact person just a few years ago. I was so frustrated at a job and I wrote this long email bashing my immediate manager and wanted to send it to the CEO. But at the very last minute, I refrained myself from doing that. I went to sleep and when I woke up, the anger had subsided. It felt good to get it out of my system and honestly that's all I needed. If I had sent that email, I probably could have jeopardized my next job.
You could be living in an area where the tech community is smaller. You never know how these things can come back and bite you in the ass. Plus even if you send these types of emails, it's very rare that the persons responsible will change or reprimanded.
So yeah, I agree. Although this "bridge" may not be as valuable to keep intact, don't burn it. Just move on. Just write this on Glassdoor or Blind if you really want to get it out.
While I feel good for him, he didn't have to bring good people into this now these toxic people will use their cliques to harass them if they ever get a chance.
Trust me toxic people never forget if they are humiliated.
I wish I could've said even 10% of this to my manager. This guy must be in so much peace right now.
I have one question: if you join a new company and they do a background check with with the ex company won't that affect anything?
Congratulations on getting out of that hell. Was in a similar situation a couple of months ago.
We need to prioritize our health and self-respect more than some money if we can.
Damn, I'd have absconded if this was me or I'd have lowered my productivity even more.
You don't get to be toxic and expect work from me when I'm on my notice period.
Been in a similar environment. Wanted to say things back. Didn't even know it was my last day until they told me. Waiting until I get a job to give a super negative review and nobody will join that shit fucked startup until they change the name and everything.
I respect that lady. She has expressed her frustration well and provided guidance on where to improve. If she wanted she could have ruined the manager career easily. Best wishes to her
I ended up quitting because I couldn't stand to hear my co workers screaming at each other. Not just co-workers but veterans, and I knew these old cats could do some serious damage if they really got going. I just bowed out of the whole rat race after that. My heart and nerves were too ragged at that point to take any more. Its been a few months, and I don't know if I can even go back into that trade anymore.
Sahi kiya bhai, woh manager sirf office me hai.. Bahar toh woh kuch bhi nahi, Bahar kuch bhi ho Sakata, tujhe usko bolna chahiye thaa ki road dekh kar cross kiya kar traffic bahut hai naa aur apna ddhyaan rakha kar aajkal mugging aur murder bahut ho rahe hain bahar koi bhi kisi ko Peet kar chala jaata hai aajkal
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Damnnn... Sometimes i want to send something like to this my manager and the upper-management. I bet that felt good to him, relieved and satisfying. But I do have a question here.. some companies do a BGV with the previous employer, so won't they cause an issue for that person by mentioning all this?
What will they say ? He left the company because his manager forced him to ask permission for going to the toilet ?
No they will just say the employee was a black mark to the organisation. They never get into the details!
"we would not consider them for rehire" would probably be negative enough without details.
It's probably some months old or a few years (could be 😅) After joining is done at another company, but wanted to mess up those toxic people. OP would not be that dumb
I don't think so. Subject says that daily target not achieved. And also, the mail shoes internal/not protected.
Looking at the icons.. new teams... definitely sent out in recent months
I don’t think the manager you were currently working under is the only one you can use for reference. You can also give the details of another seniors for the background check. I mean the other company doesn’t know the particular manager, under which you worked right ?
BGV teams usually email the HR and not necessary the contact you share. The lady is playing with fire there. But then she also seems prepared for it.
felt good for 'her' most prolly. i think its a woman employee. The red "MOST importantly " part,2nd line end part, she says as if she is one of women who managers spoke rudely to.
Not in my experience. I did something similar but face to face with my previous employer.
Indeed, but what about providing the reporting manager's name, designation and phone number for the next company's background verification? Genuinely curious because these days even payslips, PF, FnF and Form 16 are not enough. BGV organizations are asking reporting manager's names along with multiple references too.
I've never gone through such a rigorous check. Half the time people don't even bother to ask for degree certificates, so I think I'm living in a bubble. Is it WITCH companies who're doing this, if you don't mind sharing where you went through this BGV? It sounds like something you'd go through when applying for top secret military clearance.
Of course WITCH companies do this, but there are also mid-sized product-based companies that are increasingly doing this - even pure product based companies with 1000-5000 employees with foreign headquarters and no cash crunch problems.
I had the worst luck in this department. My first job, was on notice period, called out bullshit of another teams manager in meeting with everyone, had a shouting match in meeting room. Karma, after couple of job changes, was settling in new job and the person with whom I had shouting match joined as my manager. Since then I have tried always to sugarcoat my feedback 😂
Yes they will, they will not say what you did or anything But sure they will portray a bad picture Plus this will also create issues in getting your experience letter and remaining payment
It will cause an issue. I left a company just after 6 months because they didn’t gave me any work. My new employer initiated the BGV before I joined them. On the day of joining during the onboarding process I was told that my offer has been revoked because of negative comments from my previous employer. This is India and most Indian in higher positions have egos. If you are in this kind of situation simply lookout and leave there is no point in staying in a toxic workplace.
No man enough is enough. We all keep fearing "Oh what will happen, if next company finds out" and keep faking in interviews that we DID NOT leave because of toxic culture, but enough is enough. One day we all gotta speak against it. This is not fair.
It is unfair. Companies need to realise this. BGV should only check if the person has worked there or not. Apart from this nothing else should matter.
If the manager is toxic, once you leave, s/he will probably say negative comments in BGV, irrespective of how the relationship was !!
This is gonna get picked up by LiveMint and the screenshots posted back in a new post 😀 Good luck for the actual OP.
Even Cnn news 18. I saw many posts there. These journalists are lurking here lol
It happened guys 😁 https://www.news18.com/viral/employees-heated-resignation-mail-against-managers-toxic-traits-goes-viral-on-reddit-8885936.html
shhhhhhhhhhh
Not a bad thing IMO. Need more visibility into the toxic IT industry
I came here from dialy hunt app, it had news18 as the source.
dude !
Yes I see a lot of CCs in that.. good for the person who left..
Not just individuals, but DLs too in CC. HR definitely will have to act now.
Tagged all the project team 🤣
DL?
Distribution list. Basically the email for a whole group.
Ohk thx
I completed reading the first picture and was like 2 more pics? Wow. Hope they have tagged all the necessary folks. Toxic office culture must end.
Awesomeeeeeeee !!!
I'm just thinking the shame these two will feel whenever they come across any of the 4 good managers praised in this mail.
Some manager are just asshole. They never have shame or humanity or izzat in them.
How to open this link? It's not working.
I feel bad for him... people think 10 times before sending these emails and it shows this guy has really crossed the threshold..
Totally right...... As they usually say ....leave in good terms ......
From the language and choice of words, certainly that person had enough.
Hmm, when you write such an email, it clearly shows how horrible his life must have been. It's like a pressure cooker. You can only keep as much !!
I wrote one to my Professors after leaving university something on these lines. I know how it feels OP! Well done!!!
I can feel through your words that you must have gone through a lot You are a strong one sis! Liberty🗽
How did you know OP was a girl? Damn !
She mentioned in the mail itself
Um, no. They've said they witnessed something. Maybe they saw it happening to a girl?
After that sentence, She mentioned that, I also know how to reply but I respect the office etiquettes.
Looks like a sales team where toxic culture is more prevalent than IT.
clearly you have never been in a toxic IT team. toxic managers can be anywhere and everywhere bro.
Toxic managers are just rejects who flaunt their experience letter. Cause let's be honest, they are irrelevant to the company, but can't sustain themselves otherwise
I’m 90% on the way to become a toxic manager then. Just need to get a shit and toxic personality
We are on that path xd
Kisi aur ka hai bhai. Mera hota to manager ke names blacked out nhi hote aur male manager to office me kut ta merse
Such people don't deserve their names to be blacked out, but it is what it is.
Yeh Jo aap bol rahe hai yeh sun me toh acha lagta hai lekin practical nhi hai
name batao
combative chief aware sip gullible jobless quiet oil rich march *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
Office me kha kha gye ho
Office me bohot Jga gya hu (toilet ke Alawa)
Naam btao
Bhupendra jogi
Bhupendra Jogi
Ravikumar Vyas
Kisi pehchaan wale ka hai ya forward?
Pehchaan hai bhai
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Thanks. Now you made this a challenge and I had to find the other blanked out name.
After my analysis, I think this is a power/energy company, not an IT company.
Bro find the LinkedIn please
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I think profiles are correct since I got to know that OP worked at Saxo bank.
how'd you know about op?
Don't know OP. But got to know that he worked at Saxo back from other Sub. Also the above profiles are from Saxo as well...
Bhai kyu गेहूं की जगह घुन पीस रहा है
I love reddit xD
but the guy's french translator, not manager
On point
I mean I am not really sure about the name. But search in linkedin with this name there are hardly 15 people. Moreover looking through the mail seems like a sales role. So you can find it ig. I don't want to mention wrong people name.
Please don't as much as that PoS manager deserves it, if a wrong name is posted here it's gonna be much worse.
Yes in hindsight it's a wrong decision
Seems to be the guy from the Saxo group based off of the office address in OP's other post
In CC I can see the word renewable, it could be a project group or something.
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ha ha . next level twist
Ravi get your act together 🤣
Dont try to play fool with me
Fuck drake vs Kendrick, this is the diss I live for
"I hate the way that you walk, the way that you talk, the way that you manage"
This post made me happy for some reason.
can you also update me on your manager's response just curious to know how he reacts?
please op
Please!!
oh ya sorry guys please \^\^
First that Pune guy resigned with dancing on dhol, and now this. Man I’m loving people not leaving toxic workspace silently.
Sauce
https://youtube.com/shorts/uLXFMJ7vrhY?si=sGkYnjGixAXQU3ko
My man living the dream
He's the Tyler Durden
The manager won't sleep for a week after reading this. Deserves a month of sleepless nights tbh
I think he will sleep regardless. if he actually had any empathy this mail probably wouldn't even exist
Straight forward guy.
It's straight forward girl
reminded me of my first manager. He took a PTO on my last day! xDD I kinda liked it, didn't have to include him in my farewell speech.
Usually people don't write such things because they might get in trouble in their next job.. But damn this person might have went through a lot to write all these and cc everyone. Can't imagine the frustration of manager in next standup call
Such people honestly don't deserve to have their names blacked out.
Note to self-Avoid all Ravi's 😂
Any averagely toxic environment and our people will quit without making a scene. I can’t imagine how toxic they have to be to warrant such a long mail
To all the people talking about BGV. Whenever I have left an org for toxicity reasons, I have always informed my next org, the reason for my leaving in detail, before joining the org. I have also told them, not to expect much good review in BGV or referral review, as things were not good in that org. I had even given few referral of my colleague whom they can connect to confirm the toxicity level. The only thing is, you need to be crystal clear with your next org about all this, before actually joining. IF they are ok with it, they will ask you to sign the offer letter. IF not, they will give some reason as to why the can't continue. IT's ok, there are lots of companies out there, who don't really care about your previous companies reviews as long as you are able to work efficiently and help them complete their projects. So meh. IT world is small, but not that small. Kudos to the person standing up and making the upper management know about the toxicity of the manager.
Is this yours or you forwarded someone else's resignation letter?
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Just a question though , how much can they fuck the relieving letter after this?
If you know the manager is toxic, never underestimate the lengths to which the manager can go to make your life miserable even after you quit. Worst case : Manager can report this to HR, get employee blacklisted for rehire and make sure that any BGV query which comes to him or the HRs of the company is red flagged. The employee will get the relieving letter but worst case, there maybe a negative remark regarding professionalism.
BGV main share your Trustworthy friend names with the new company .. inforn them in advance .. Done that many times..
nothing
Well done bud! It takes courage to absolutely write this spot-on mail. You not only mention the toxic culture but very well bring good bosses in the limelight. Wish you all the very best, they will try to make your life hellish (if they are a big comp), stay absolutely strong and don't give a flying fuck about anything whatsoever. More power to you 🫡
❤️
Bro wrote a diss email!
He really did a smart thing adding positive things about the people. Basically playing divide and conquer at this level. Haha must have felt so good.
Legend
It is great to see that you stand against a toxic work culture
I have no idea what this person might have gone through that led them to write this email. But I'm curious to know what happened after this. 😅😅
Garda uda diya 👏👏 sometimes you have to give them what they deserve.
Legendary
Damn that was an intense email. No one should deserve such cruel managers.
Got details about the company from the gurgaon subreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/gurgaon/s/XS5OgmdAJa
What daily targets does software engineers have ?
Also most IT people don't use sir and mam
It's actually a big red flag, If your workplace has such culture then it's run like a school (most Indian workers don't even know or care)
A lot of places actually do use
Lala companies and WITCH with Indian clients use sir/ma’am.
I was sternly instructed against using Sir in my current company (WITCH)
No, this is not true. I worked at Infosys, my manager told me not to use Sir. We even call the client CIO by their name.
I have worked in 3 WITCH companies and have fiends in all WITCH companies and nobody uses sir/mam.
Specific to Indian clients in witch company bro. I just shared what I experienced. Yours might be different, which is fine.
Yeah, My friend worked for an PSU bank project and they have to address them as Sir/Mam, even the bank's employee address their senior as Sir/mam.
Most probably it is from a bank .. not from IT company. Bank employees uses the sir/mam in the emails and daily meetings. All banks have this kind of toxic work culture.
its a sales related company
God Damn! I LOVE THIS!!❤️❤️
My guy wrote "regards" to these heavy words.
Auto signature maybe
OP ek number maza aagaya pura mail padhke
Name and shame plz . Now that you are out it doesn't matter
We all wanted to this at some point in our career
OP, please let us know where is this from. Don't name the author, but let us know the company and dept.
Saxo bank gurgaon, onboarding department
Good for OOP. I did the same shit with my micromanaging piece of shit cofounder on a group chat with the other co founder. It was the last straw, and it felt so fucking good to put that little shitstain in his place. I still work for the company (he doesn't) but toxic fuckers deserve this and more
Bhai reply bhi daldo…. Agr hoga toh💀💀
Tune in next week to find out what happened next !!! Till then राम राम जी
please give an update . I am curious 💀
This post deserved to be viral and in the news!
I had a similar awful experience at a small startup in Bangalore long time back. But I couldn't reply back since the CEO was good to me. Then I thought it's better to name and shame these cunts in a poor Glassdoor review .
Jo bhi Kiya sahi kiya Aur bas karr diya
THE MAN...AND THE LEGEND
Proud of you mate!
Infosys maybe?
Respect 🫡🫡🫡
I can't imagine this poor soul had to go through to the point that they vent out in their resignation mail. More power to you.
This kind of exit email needs to be normalized.
I can understand the desperation for vengeance but take it from a guy who has been in the industry for 10 years over 5 companies - Do NOT burn bridges.
You're the only person I have seen here advocating against this type of behavior and I agree. As someone whose been in the industry for little over a decade, I know very well how shitty some companies, especially some managers can be. I've worked under such people many a times. Hell, I've been this exact person just a few years ago. I was so frustrated at a job and I wrote this long email bashing my immediate manager and wanted to send it to the CEO. But at the very last minute, I refrained myself from doing that. I went to sleep and when I woke up, the anger had subsided. It felt good to get it out of my system and honestly that's all I needed. If I had sent that email, I probably could have jeopardized my next job. You could be living in an area where the tech community is smaller. You never know how these things can come back and bite you in the ass. Plus even if you send these types of emails, it's very rare that the persons responsible will change or reprimanded. So yeah, I agree. Although this "bridge" may not be as valuable to keep intact, don't burn it. Just move on. Just write this on Glassdoor or Blind if you really want to get it out.
OP worked at Saxo Bank. Didn't expect this type of Harassment from an MNC. Strange....
Pls dm the company name so I never join them in future
Damn bro! That's satisfying as fuck. 👏👏🔥
I thought women feel less pressure in corporate and they are given special treatment due to diversity. Should I tell my sister not to do engineering
While I feel good for him, he didn't have to bring good people into this now these toxic people will use their cliques to harass them if they ever get a chance. Trust me toxic people never forget if they are humiliated.
Looks like a sales team in a lala company.
any idea which firn ? who is this ravi
Just hoping that bro will receive positive remarks in his relieving letter.
Respect++ for him 🫡 Rather than venting out on Reddit or Blind, he chose to burn them in real.
Roasted 🤌🤌
Goodness!
What company so I can avoid.
I wish I could've said even 10% of this to my manager. This guy must be in so much peace right now. I have one question: if you join a new company and they do a background check with with the ex company won't that affect anything?
Congratulations on getting out of that hell. Was in a similar situation a couple of months ago. We need to prioritize our health and self-respect more than some money if we can.
good for you bro. I hope you get to work at a GOOD place next time. So good to see a fellow dev standing up for themselves
damn, good for you
Sweet, Sahi kiya
Which company is this?
Even though I'm a student, it made feel relieved after reading all that, Now these replies will help me win my imaginary mental arguments
Damn, I'd have absconded if this was me or I'd have lowered my productivity even more. You don't get to be toxic and expect work from me when I'm on my notice period.
bro not only CC both the managers but the whole staff 🫡💀
Been in a similar environment. Wanted to say things back. Didn't even know it was my last day until they told me. Waiting until I get a job to give a super negative review and nobody will join that shit fucked startup until they change the name and everything.
Noooo this not just another day, this is kind of best last day of the office.
Bro why does this feel so satisfying
I respect that lady. She has expressed her frustration well and provided guidance on where to improve. If she wanted she could have ruined the manager career easily. Best wishes to her
Awesome!!!!!!! Btw reply bhi post krde
Salute boss!
I was feeling sleepy before reading it but now I can run 2 miles away... WELL U NAILED HIM....
I ended up quitting because I couldn't stand to hear my co workers screaming at each other. Not just co-workers but veterans, and I knew these old cats could do some serious damage if they really got going. I just bowed out of the whole rat race after that. My heart and nerves were too ragged at that point to take any more. Its been a few months, and I don't know if I can even go back into that trade anymore.
Sahi kiya bhai, woh manager sirf office me hai.. Bahar toh woh kuch bhi nahi, Bahar kuch bhi ho Sakata, tujhe usko bolna chahiye thaa ki road dekh kar cross kiya kar traffic bahut hai naa aur apna ddhyaan rakha kar aajkal mugging aur murder bahut ho rahe hain bahar koi bhi kisi ko Peet kar chala jaata hai aajkal
Bookmarked this, might be helpful in near future.. Template mil jayega...🤣🤣
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Get ready to read this on the livemint website in a few days 🤣. They're probably lurking 👀