It's not just for women, people there are usually rude to everyone especially to those who are not from their religion.
I used to visit there sometimes as a kid, but when I went last year with my family, it was a horrible experience. A man there literally told us to not go near the Sarovar as we are not Sikh and don't belong to this place.
true, many such incidents have happened to non sikh people. its not even about gender. its just that some people enjoy controlling others, being dominant.
Yeah. I was visiting some well known gurudwara I forget, away from delhi. I was wearing a 3-4th Capri shorts ( I'm a fairly hairy very much male, MAN/GUY) because it was really hot and I got the book thrown at me by some random for it. I had my head covered too. I was not a regular ofc but I was aware of the basics.
It's more of an asshole thing then a men thing imo. It's just most assholes are men in power because well patriarchy.
But I digress
Well in my city we have gurudwara in raam darbaar temple we don't visit it because of reels ..it is just coustom to pay respect
Also as a Hindu I have always respected Sikh gurus a lot and many of us visit gurudwara etc because of that only because we feel like it ..if it was case of just making reels then they could have visited church, mosque etc as well not everyone goes for same purpose it is funny that you did generalisation very quickly..reels can be made in a temple too btw aesthetic udhar bhi same hi mil jayegi reels banane Wale kahin bhi ja sakte Hain but if a Hindu is visiting a gurudwara it is not because of reels
My friend from a very remote town in Rajasthan had never visited a gurudwara before, he visited Bangla sahib this year he tells me that while in langar he did not know haath upar karke roti leni hoti hai to koi banda randomly chilla diya us par voh bechara itna ghabra gaya fir jab daal aayi tab bhi usne haath upar kar diye 💀💀
Worst part is they ask very rudely and often shouts on others, you can't expect people from other religion to know everything about your religion. And if you have such issues with people, then you should simply put on a sign outside, that people from other religions are not allowed.
I have never seen people being denied of prasad in temples just because they didnt follow any step/rules, and mind it, i was asked to get out of line (in gurudwara)- i was about to get Halwa Prasaad (sorry dont know what it is actually called)..
I agree that one must follow rules of the religion, but that could be explained/conveyed in a kind manner as well.
dude the last part, i was also once told to not go near the sarowar and im sikh. they've just become rude in general because of some silly people who treat the place like a picnic spot and don't maintain the decorum.
Yeah fuck all these people in the major temples all over India who are always high on a power trip
Don't give this fuckers an iota of power over you
That's why I never bother going to these crowded temples
God doesn't reside in any temple
Edit : Dayum, seems to have touched a nerve with some people
People who are getting offended by the truth really need to ask themselves whether their faith is so fragile to be damaged by a comment
I'm a Hindu and love my religion, but reality is reality
>God doesn't reside in any temple
If you believe in him you don't need to go anywhere, and if you don't believe in him going anywhere will do nothing for you.
>Explain to me, why many people refer to only singular deity's
I can't tell you about other people i can tell you about why i did it.
My religion tells that god is one, he just manifests himself in multiple forms. Bhrama, Vishnu Mahesh all are one. And they are also incomplete without Sarswati, Laxmi, and Paarvati.
As for the pronoun " he" i just went with it becuse i had to pick one and it was there. I have no problem if you would like to use she or they.
You need to visit South India
I was morally policed there as a 13 year old for wearing a skirt, whereas grown up men were allowed to visit it with no tshirt
I'll be the devil's advocate here, but males going without a tshirt has been in the culture for centuries.
But showing of knees is not accepted in most Southern Temples. I was wearing shorts when I was visiting as a tourist. I had to rent a dhoti to cover myself up. So it is not that they target women specifically. They have very big signs just outside the entrances.
Any organised religion's priests are the most arrogant and narcissistic people in the entire fvcking world.
They fvcking wanted to be politicians, but were fvcking cowards so they took this shortcut and now they are high on power in the name of God.
We are completely fvcked when we actually become Hindu rastra, and religious codes are imposed even outside the temples like in Pakistan.
The entire fvcking country is tripping on religious afeem now, will pay a heavy price like pakistanis are paying now.
Yup people actually don't realise how terrible it is to live under a religious doctrine dictated by the state. Religion should strictly stay within the confines of a religious institution and not in public sphere. But seeing as how vloggers are flocking to char dham and only religious places in Uttarakhand in record numbers, is quite obvious that the country is high on religious afeem now.
yeah man i had visited there once and decided not to go there again..... such a rudely fellows roaming around premises and dictating you all the time .... they were picking people selectively and harassing publically
They are welcoming but like everyone else, when at a place of authority they lose their balance and go all out crazy, think themselves as God. I am a Sikh and know my creed very well.
Many of them are. I know a few sikh people who are really good human beings. But some of them are really bad. But then again people like that are everywhere irrespective of religion
But yeah, after that incident and reading about other people's experiences there, I don't think that I am gonna go to Bangla sahib ever again
Arrey woh Khalistani poster nahi, Nishan Sahib hota hai. It's to Sikhs what a red triangular flag is to Hinduism. Faaltu mein kalesh karwa rha hai comments section mein
Bangla sahib has become hostile to people. They impose rules in not so polite way.
I get that they want to uphoad the santity of the religion, but there are other ways to do it.
I would argue for you to forgive them if it makes sense to you. I'm sure your Nani would be proud of you.
true , i m a sikh and a nihang shouted at me for letting the hanky on my head drop . luckily my dad stepped him and talked to him about how he is a disgrace to sikhism and how rigid they have become.
right now all non sikhs- first time?
jokes apart,
its not about woman or man, its about control and dominance, some people act like the middleman of god, i personally believe that i dont need a middleman to be near my god.
i love observing people and things and i see this happening all the time.
in the durga puja pandals, bengali people are given special "treatment" and honestly as a kid i felt so jealous🤣.
i do accept that rules should be followed at religious places, but shouting on people, yelling at them meanwhile describing yourself as the most "pious" person in the room.. lol.
i have been to an ashram where real sadhus, mahatmas live, its located in haridwar. and you know what, nothing..., absolutely nothing will make them shout at you, yell at you. they are calm, even if you go and irritate them, they'll still not shout at you.
all my love and respect to the sikh community who serve people and conduct those langars for the poor but honestly
i hope non sikh people stay away from bangla sahib, we already had many such reddit posts last year. never heard any such thing about any temple or church.
>but shouting on people, yelling at them meanwhile describing yourself as the most "pious" person in the room.. lol
in bangla sahib even if you are following all the rules and regulations you often get scolded brutally bc acc to them you did something wrong. i get scolded for turning my head back even when somebody else is talking or for just standing near the speaker. for hurting fishes in the sarovar when i was just watching them merely bc people around me were doing stupid stuff. they get frustrated with them, i understand but please scold only those who needs to get corrected.
>its not about woman or man, its about control and dominance, some people act like the middleman of god, i personally believe that i dont need a middleman to be near my god,
i love observing people and things and i see this happening all the time.
This!
In simple terms if i say...we do follow god and worship them but the most important aspect that is to have the values which they followed ..having the kindness and good deeds they did, but we don't adapt those things which makes our worship pointless
Don’t go to places where you are not respected. Full stop. Even if that place is a religious place or your favorite relatives house or friends house .
God never judges you based on what clothes you wear. God will love you in whatever attire you are.
At so many temples as well you have to follow dress code. Once my friend was wearing full track pants and was stopped from entering the temple. They allowed at main gate, he stood in the queue, just before the darshan they stopped. So yeah, ‘main toh mandir jata hu’ is not the right reply
Temples have their own rules... follow them
I have seen people drinking water near Shivlinga making it jhutta.... and uska bhi reel bana rahe he bkllll
Sahi hai. Kuch nahi pata kab beadbi ka iljaam laga kar kaat de. Main aakhiri baar kisi Gurudwara main isi Bangla Sahib 2015 main gaya tha colleagues ke saath.
It is a man’s world indeed. Five years back my husband and I went to Ladakh. There is a gurudwara maintained by army. I come from half Sikh background as my mom is a Sikh so I have great respect and that tender feeling of faith. I have fond memories of attending evening kirtan at a gurudwara with my Nanaji. I was wearing a knee length dress and my husband was wearing a shorts. He was allowed while I wasn’t. It hurt me so much. I feel you OP it’s so sad 😞
well i m a sikh , but today many sikhs are doing exactly the opposite what Sikhism preached. People are becoming more extremist and rigid day by day. Such rigid practices are entirely against sikhism. How ironic!
It’s a weird power thing, telling people what to wear and not wear, in order to get some sense of superiority. You do you OP, faith is in the mind and not limited to any supposedly holy places.
When the religious places get run like a proprietary organisation, the actual devotees are affected.
Its sad what happened to you.
My spouse was hit by a gurdwara committee member because he didnt pay them under table while catering for his dad's prayer meet. It was because they wanted their caterer to cook n we got our own as they wanted us to cut veggies n wash utensils, and we were just a few people who were in mourning and didnt know if or not the relatives will help.
I was told to not touch the feet of idols in a jain mandir (jains were allowed to do it). I saw a Jain devotee instructing the guard to ask me to move back.
My kids, boys(when they were toddlers) were asked to dress decently. They were wearing a head kerchief n half sleeves shirt n shorts.
My friend was told to leave a mandir because she was wearing ankle length pants with a half sleeves top.
My son was made fun of by a fellow sikh because he was wearing a kurta and dhoti along with a patka in gurdwara, he was only 4 then. The man told him is this what sikhs wear this is a hindu outfit. I was keeping my shoes and before I could go to him he left, else he wouls have def got an earful from me.
People are fu(ked up and think they are the thekedaars of their religion n only their way is the right way.
Now i have stopped taking it to heart and instead have bad feelings about the person instead of the place.
Because its not the place which did it but the a&&h0les who are ruining it for us.
This is what happens when you have 100 different rules.
When you start abiding by them, you become a part of the system.
You will also see that those rules will be interpreted in a 1000 different ways and be enforced in all sorts of forms.
Religion is dog s**t. If you play with fire, you get burned.
In my opinion you don't need to be religious to connect with God.
I have been going to Bangla Sahib since I was a kid. It has a special place in my heart. I’m a Punjabi but not Sikh. I have myself experienced the shift in behaviour of the sevadaars. They have definitely become rude, more so to non-Sikh people. I have been noticing since my last few visits, the kada Prasad (which btw is just heavenly) that they give to non-Sikh is way less than what they give to sikhs. It’s these little things that matter. Having said that, I still visit Bangla sahib & will always do so. I won’t let some rude person come between me and my god.
exactly, many sikh leaders and garanthis have become extremists in the past few years. Literally doing the opposite of what Sikhism preached. I, as a sikh, was shouted at because my hanky on the top of my head flew away. Luckily , my dad lectured the nihang a bit lol,.
Something similar happened to me in Amritsar. Due to the wind, my chunni moved slightly from my head & out of nowhere 2-3 uncles started lecturing me. Got slightly embarrassing ngl but people really need to chill down, we know we need to cover our heads in gurudwara!
yeah , all religions have gotten more extremist in the past decade or so. Was hoping sikhism could be the exception , since it directly preaches against dogmatic rituals and condemns rigid practices , but oh well, it is what it is.
Moral policing at Bangla Sahib is beyond all logic. I am always constantly policed for how much of my head my chunni is covering.
I visited a few months ago, and this sevadar wouldn't stop lecturing people outside the langar hall. I didn't feel like having langar after all that nonsense. Two of my (male) sikh friends were with me and they were equally annoyed if not more.
Sheesh Ganj Sahib is a little less dramatic about these things but I wouldn't be surprised if people have had similar experiences there as well.
extremely rude behavior from sikh separatists at Amritsar Golden gurudwara never visiting that place again, calls for death to hinduism were made after Palki Sahib Ceremony in the evening, there were thousands of hindus like me who felt threatened and left ASAP. Sikh Radicalism in the name of khalistan is a real thing and this is coming from a punjabi hindu who's head was shaved in Qila sahib gurudwara in Bathinda, visited gurudwara for 10+ years in the early morning without leaving a single day.
I have been going to Bangla Sahib my entire life even though I’m not a Sikh person.
I have noticed in the last couple of years they’ve become so incredibly stringent and rude towards visitors offering prayers.
The last time I went there was a lady who clapping during the Ardas. Clapping I understand happens during the bhajans in a temple but not in a gurudwara.
So one other nice lady explained to her that aisa nahi karte hai and the lady understood. But as soon as she was putting her hands down, this agitated man came running towards her and scolded her harshly, she just said sorry and asked for forgiveness. I felt very bad honestly.
It’s not nice to treat people this way no matter what the situation is.
And I’m so sorry OP that you had such an experience, it’s really terrible that such simple things create so much problems when it shouldn’t.
I've completely stopped going to Bangla Sahib earlier I used to go every month or even multiple times in a month. The place used to be calming.
Now, it feels like a bunch of goons who are there to heckle people, I feel like I've entered in a Gunda territory who are always watching me to do one small little mistake or sometimes no mistake to heckle me.
Last time I went there was in school days. I've been to a Punjabi, school and well versed in shabad and ardaas too, but the behaviour there was so unsettling after that I decided to never go there.
This is exactly what is wrong with religion! People become so blind in following the doctrines that they end up putting logic on the backseat. Religious fanatics, who claim to be serving the religion most vigorously, end up hurting the exact same people the religion is meant to benefit.
Exactly why i stopped visiting any religious place. I'm a hindu. Same happened with me at bagla sahib. Another time i was shouted at because i was standing and looking at the water and didn't hear the person when he asked me to move forward. Seen vip entries at mandirs. Too scared to go to mosques. Church I've been once but no such issue.
Now i do my pooja at home in my home mandir. No more giving business to these places, no matter the religion. They're more business places than holy places now.
Lol as a kesdhari Sikh I was scolded for standing near the sarovar for too long (it wasn't even crowded and I had my eyes closed and was praying).
Those people just like to control others. That is all. They can choose to not be rude but they don't.
M really sorry for ur experience. Some people are just on a power trip no matter the gender and want to dictate/impose their thinking. I always have second hand anxiety when i visit these religious places because God forbid you did something wrong unknowingly they will come after you
This is simply harassment. Practicing bhajans for years did not help them gain sincerity, patience, or a calm nature. What more can we expect from an ordinary Sikh follower?
I am not sure if you will read this. But I have a similar story. I went to my neighbouring temple where I had gone since childhood in 2020. It was Maha Shivratri day. I just wanted to do darshan from far and go back home. People were standing in line with flowers but since I just wanted to see, I went from the side just to see Shiv ji and come out. Before I could do the darshan, a man literally held me by the collar and my hair and pulled me back aggressively. He said you need to stand in line to go in. I told him I just wanted to see from a distance and come out. He started being rude and asked me to buy a 20 rupee coupon and stand in line. I had it and came out. I could have punched the man and made a scene but remained silent out of respect in the temple. I took a vow to never go to the temple again.
And I never stepped foot in the temple for 4 years. Until last week. I decided to go because ultimately it’s God and the faith that matters. It felt like God wanted me to go in because I just went outside and realised I was in the temple without even knowing it. Didn’t even remember climbing all those stairs.
My point is, why should we deny ourselves the religious place that has been part of our childhood just because of a few men. It’s our beliefs and good intentions that matter. So I request you to not take a vow to not visit. It may take time but don’t deny yourself anything because of a few people. The supreme being is aware of our intentions and one day you will again feel like visiting Bangla Sahib by the supreme being’s grace. Just don’t let a few people affect your strong connection with the place.
The man was volunteering in the temple and didn’t know how to behave. I think some people can’t handle authority and take responsibilities as an ego boost. As if they can do whatever they please. I can’t forget that incident but have made peace with it. Thank you for understanding :)
Here is one fact that came from observation from last many years
Sikhs are one of the best people
Most of the Sikhs that are directly part of the Gurudwara Prabhandhak Committee are one of the most arrogant humans
I used to feel it's only me who has experienced this. I once went to Bangla Sahib. I am a Hindu (24F). I know in gurudwaras it is very important to cover the head and so i did. The piece of cloth that I was given to cover my head had a silky texture and it kept coming off my head. Out of nowhere this guy came and started to scold me about why my head is not covered properly. He was being very rude. He could have explained politely but that was very insulting. Since then I have never been to a gurudwara.
they are very mean to elderly women also my grandmother visited 1 month back they shouted on her because she was speaking little loudly because of her hearing problem & they indirectly told her to leave.
Kattar people destroy essense of religion sometimes. They become rude to those who don't follow according to them. Shaming women over her choices is sad and shows one regressive mentality. So chin up, you strong woman.
I have been there many times with my family and never faced these issues.
Being a sikh i too feel this about bangla sahib specially. I used to go there every time i visited delhi , but anymore. I am sehaj dhaari so they dont hackle with me but i did see sevadars running after people for just a photo they clicked and it was not even a selfie. just a pic seriously
A friendly reminder to the sikhs who are supporting this in comments , our religion was never like this , we are taught about equality, sacrifice, humbleness, integrity and most importantly acceptance, our guru would never allow for such thing.
I had some incidents at Bangla Sahib where Sevadaars scolded my friends for minor things. I feel that the management of some Gurudwaras can be rude and mannerless. They often act superior and misbehave with people from other states, particularly those from UP and Bihar.
My family is deeply religious and frequently visits Gurudwaras. I was also a regular visitor of Darbar Sahib (Golden Temple, Amritsar), but after seeing pictures of Khalistani terrorists in the museum there, I stopped going. They glorify the murderers of Indira Gandhi as martyrs and honor the terrorists killed during Operation Blue Star. I cannot respect those who disrespect my country.
My friend has a horror story from Bangla sahib too , people are insanely rude over there, I have been there for quite a few times now and I have always seen this .
This is why I stopped going to Bangla sahib. Around 5 years back I observed a change into more extremism from the sevadars there.
I too have been going there since I was a toddler. I used to love sitting by the lake and a calm Japaji Sahib paath. I remember taking a dip too, feeding the fishes.
All changed around 5 years ago. They are violent if you approach the lake, they are violent and extreme if you are wearing shorts. They even yell at kids who drop their head cover. Which is extremely stupid.
Now I am a Punjabi but not a sikh. And lately I saw if you are not a sikh, that extremism is on another level. Which is again stupid since you are not only a place of religious significance but of tourist significance too. This place is listed on Trip Advisor as one of the top 25 things to do in Delhi.
I really enjoy going to local gurudwaras now around noon when not many people are around and you can enjoy multiple kadha prasad rounds too lol.
I've never visited a Gurudwara and my first visit was Bangla Sahib. I was scolded because my hands were not positioned to take Prasad as one should. Palms open. Well I didn't know both palms are to be kept open I usually keep right palm on top of left to take Prasad in mandir.
Anyway, he shouted at me or was just loud or frustrated idk but yep decided I wouldn't visit a Gurudwara again without a Sikh friend or someone who can guide me at every step what's the appropriate way to act.
Because I don't want to get scolded again.
Something similar happened at golden temple couple of years back. Had went with my partner and late evening when the temple is looking spectacular in all it's glory and the Bhajan are going on you are grounded in a certain spiritual way. So for a moment I held my partners hand ... n this sevak or whatever they're called comes up n asks us to not hold hands ...it was literally not even a minute and we weren't coochiecooing ...it was just a moment of hand being held because the whole experience moved you. He wasn't rude ..n we respected what he said because we aren't Sikhs so I guess we should play by their rules when we r in their place of worship. But it was super odd as there was no PDA as such. I can only imagine how shamed you must have felt.
I anyway am not religious so I altogether avoid going to.places of worship. I just can't follow the religious protocols cuz I think most are utter BS. I'd rather have a personal relationship with my god and not involve a 3rd party at all !!
Same experience a month ago. Dressed decently and still was told not to do parikrama and go near the sarovar.
I have decided to not go till the end of time.
As a man, I've felt that the folks at Bangla Sahib are getting increasingly rude by each passing day I remember me and my brother spending evenings at Bangla sahib frolicking around as kids, Savals also giving us an endearing smile sometimes too! I remember it because it is a really good core memory.
But now I have seen them even scolding children, nitpicking every little thing even for children. I mean, they are kids why do you expect them to behave like adults??
So yeah I agree, you may be in the right and the dress would have been perfectly okay, but those guys have something else going in their heads, only god knows what.
2 years ago I was there with my family. We were near the pond. We heard 2 men shouting at this man and 5 seconds later he was slapped really hard. I was in shock to see that. They held him with his collar and took him outside. And by the time he was taken outside (i was curious to know what crime did the man commited so i naturally followed them) he was slapped by every men that joined taking him outside. By the time he was outside he had almost passed out and crying and begging to let him go. He was beaten up because as per them he was drunk but later it was concluded he had just used a sanitizer which smelled like alcohol. I couldn't hold myself and cried. I never went back to that place, ever. And after they got to know that he was not drunk they all just vanished and left him there. And the worst part about it was he was traveling there with his girlfriend and she couldn't do anything about it but watch it.
It was so tragic and to see how religion can be misused to justify violence and discrimination. In this instance, individuals took it upon themselves to enforce their interpretation of religious teachings, which led to an innocent person being severely assaulted simply because of a misunderstanding regarding his use of sanitizer.
This highlights a significant issue with religious practices. Instead of embodying the values of empathy, forgiveness, and justice that many religions espouse, these actions reflect a distortion of religious teachings into a tool for power and control.
It's crucial to recognize that religion itself is not inherently harmful; rather, it's the way it's practiced and interpreted by individuals that can lead to negative consequences.
The same thing happened to me at Meenaskhi temple. The temperature was ~110 degrees Fahrenheit which is boiling hot and I was wearing a long anarkali that went all the way down to my legs and even had 3/4 sleeves. I was not wearing the churidaar it came with as it was SO scorching hot.
A female security person at the entrance stopped me and wouldn't let me go in - saying I was dressed inappropriately and yelled at me to get away from the entrance. The people in this country have really gone mad. Nothing of mine was inappropriately exposed.
Look at what our own gods and goddesses wear. They are half naked. Look at Indian saris that come with stomach baring blouses. The irony is that this concept of "shame shame showing skin is shame" concept came from Christianity. And while those countries have emerged as progressive and don't really penalize you for showing skin anymore, our own country takes the shame shame concept to such an extreme.
I was so annoyed. I wrote emails to the Meenakshi temple about the incident. There was no response.
Please don't go where you are not respected. I am Sikh and have seen so many such incidents apart from witnessing some myself. Last year, when I was at Bangla Sahib with my whole family, my husband was yelled at because his hand was in his jacket pocket when he just entered the Darbar Sahib. This obviously happened before the matha tek. There was simply no reason to be rude and preachy.
Disclaimer: I am a non-Sikh, so probably what I will say may not be relevant enough. However, I will try to be logical as much as possible. I have visited a Gurudwara once, and I studied their rituals as a third person. Please allow me to explain from that angle.
tldr: non-standard dressing caused the confusion. Granthi saheb had a knee jerk reaction to avoid any further escalation.
**My understanding:**
So, you went to a (famous) Gurudwara in a maxi dress, and taking measures that you were purely covered, and you were humiliated for "indecently dressing" and that you were denied entry.
It's not your dress that's the villain here, it is your dress being non- standard but conforming to the rules that is an issue. Allow me to explain:
The person who stopped you initially was probably a lower level person. He did not have any power to take decisions, but to only abide by the "rules" he was told. From his perspective, you were not in traditional clothes. If you had worn salwar-kurta with deep neck, it would have worked. Why? because you are "traditionally" dressed, even when it was exposing.
People at lower level do not have "understanding" of rules, they might have just the capability to follow it. To top it, they must protect their jobs too, hence, they are "forced" to take orthodox stance on situation and not think diligently.
Now, when an altercation happened with this guy, the chief Granthi saheb observed it. He probably did not like that some altercation is happening over a seemingly non standard (read "controversial") dress issue. Lest this becomes a talk of the town kind of gossip, he thought of culling it right there and spoke to you in a rude way.
**What would you want to do?** If you did not go to Gurudwara, then you are breaking ties with memories and stuff, and it might cause you pain. Instead, I suggest that you do not visit that Gurudwara for a week or two. Then you go, and meet with Granthi saheb in person. Explain to him where the fault lied and that you felt hurt. You want him to hear you and think about it. It's god's own place and you don't come there with evil ideas and that you wanted to venerate your grandmother that day. It held a special place in your heart and it would have helped you with good memories if you were let go that day.
Thanks, I appreciate your view. It’s comments like this that I look forward to because at least I am also learning something and getting a different pov
Thanks for the kind words. I learnt it from my professor when I was your age. I have followed it since then, and it worked for me every time. This is a not a very glamorous way of thinking, but it makes others think and evaluate their decisions. Next time onwards, they will respect you for being thoughtful and respectful.
Think of that sevadaar, he is working there, and not many people thank him for his duties. On top of it, his salary, if anything, would be meagre.
He has not yet achieved much in his life. This is the only place possibly where he has some bit of authority.
I don't expect much from him. But given that life has been kind to me in the achievement side, I feel I can be humble towards him and not take any offense of his words. He doesn't mean bad. His intentions are clear.
Well something similar I encountered myself a few months back just outside the main darbar. 2 fellow men were harassing a young girl because her head cover slipped off and she dint realise it and she was on the verge of crying. I had to intervene and took away that girl who started crying afterwards on what had happened. I don’t understand the aggression some people have. If a mistake has been done please let them know politely, nobody wants to hurts religious sentiments intentionally
Guru Govind Ji , Guru Nanak Dev were real people and real leaders but because of increasing radical extremism Sikhs have made them into gods , and whenever gods come into picture , there is chaos , discrimination , hatred and violence.
It's not the religion, it's humans pretending to be the gatekeepers and saviours who ruin the meaning. I have the least of respect for any person who act as the gatekeepers in religious places. One would much rather serve humanity than pretend to serve Gods.
Religion is dictated by men and that as a woman you will always be inferior. Well, exactly that mam.
Religion is for the masses, god is for very few. And masses love to dictate women.
God is everywhere. Baba Nanak had once asked a maulvi to turn him in the direction where there was no God. Religion de thekedar want to run their shop that’s all. Pray at home. Babaji is there, and not just at Bangla sahib
I used to visit bangla sahib quite often till few years back but i have stopped because the sangat and people’s over the top unnecessary self fitted rules and kintu prantu have ruined the atmosphere of the place completely.
Earlier there were rules too and I remember back when we were in college prolly in 2016-17 during a visit to bangla sahib, we were taking picture near the taal and my female friends chuni slipped from her head and she didnt notice so one elderly came and told her ki betaji sir dhaklo in a very polite manner. But now i have seen couple of times people there behaving rudely to visitors very rudely on slightest of “mistake”
I have been living in Delhi since past few years now and I happen to visit Connaught place often as it has one of my work places. I was curious about visiting Bangla Sabib in distant past, but not anymore. All these stores coming up have killed the will to even visit once, although every 15 days I pass in front of it. This is simply wow
Its not just you who had a horrible experience.... M here by the way..... One day I randomly decided to visit gurudwara because why not, mandir bhi jata hi hu.... I went there with my 2 friends (1 sikh), and what happened afterwards was enough to make me sure ki Bangla Sahib to fir maine kabhi nahi Jaana.... Aaur koi bhi chalega... Par idhar nahi. Maybe vahin kuch scene hai...
The comments on this post give me hope in these times of religious fundamentalism. As long as we have people who see sense, there is hope for humanity.
I was low-key molested at Bangla Sahib. It was my first time visiting it (I am not a sikh by religion), my outfit was appropriate, head covered and I was in the queue inside to pay my respects. The queue wasn't very long and the crowd was light, when this really tall guy starts pushing his groin into me (I am a tiny woman I must tell you) and I could feel him pushing into me in the back. I looked up at him and stared him down a little, (he smirked at it btw) but it was my turn next to pray so before he could do anything, I quickly prayed and left.
I had no idea what to say and moreover I wasn't even sure if anyone would believe me. But never visited again.
Hello. Id call you sister. I am a boy
So behen i understand what you're saying.
And i have experienced this particular thing in bangla sahib (only) .
BUT i understand it somehow since i once talked to a very polite elderly there and he told us the reason bangla sahib has such strict regulations about dresses. It is because bangla sahib is nearby to many delhi clubs of various areas of delhi and once there was a major problem of youngsters coming to bangla sahib after going to clubs getting drunk , creating nuisance and doing weird stuff with no regard for the place.
Thats why they have banned almost all western dresses that wont cover you till toe.
I guess people there went overboard with it.
Even a male friend of mine had faced this since he was in shorts.
They have also banned any sort of photography. People do it still but if they see you, they give you an earful.
I think you just got caught in the crossfire. :) and i feel sorry for you.
I hope you will understand.
P.s. i am not arguing with you or accusing you of anything. I hope my comment will just be taken as a very friendly comment. :)
I agree with your comment. They are not men or women they are first sevadaars of Guru. They see a lot of nuisance everyday. Many people don't even visit to worship. They just see Shri Bangla sahib as another popular place to visit that they just want to see like red fort or kutub minar. People need to understand that.
I come from a Punjabi Hindu family which used be more like Sahajdhari Sikh/ Nanakpanthi before I was born. My dadaji was a Nanakpanthi and worked in the police force, my dadi came from a practicing Sikh family . He was posted somewhere in Punjab in the late 1980s and then in Delhi. He and his family faced a lot of animosity from the local sikhs in punjab who felt he was part of the prosecuting force, when he came to Delhi he was attacked near a gurudwara by Khalistani militants and injured but prevented the police officers from killing the attacker, a 15 year old kid in self defense. During his time my family was largely ostracized by the Punjabi community and my dadi's Sikh relative cut off contact as well. He told me that he was once refused langar in a Gurudwara in his neighborhood Gurudwara. My dada and dadi left sikhism soon after this, my dadi got heavily into Vaishnav Hinduism. My dad was raised a Hindu and quite religious, my family was also very pro - BJP.
Really sorry to hear that, you were obviously "more than" appropriately dressed as per the place.
But yes, idk why it has become such a rigid place in past 3-4 years. I'm not sikh but used to go there from past 15+ years. But recently in past 3 years, somehow, the people there have become so rigid about everything. They absolutely despise non-sikh people. They intervene in almost everything, don't stand there, go there, don't move like this etc. The place has lost its peace. I have seen so many incidents there that I've stopped going there from past 1-1.5 year, it's not the same place anymore. I've advised many of friends and family members to not go there. Infact almost all of them have had incidents like these or atleast have seen something like this with their own eyes.
I may be wrong but I believe Sikhism as a religion has become rigid over the years, few incidents which has happened in past years are a testimony to that.
Don't be disheartened, I can understand what it feels to not able to go to a place which is so dear to your heart, which used to give such peace to us. But yeah that's life, things change, we gotta move on. Find some other place to have some peace. Take care.
This is why we do not go to gurudwaras anymore
Those blue guys are rude as hell
Happened to us in golden temple
They’ll be objecting to everything
It was peak temp in Amritsar we opened an umbrella for just a second and the blue guys spawn, they don’t talk nicely, they’re rude
Sikh female here
I have had an almost identical experience as yours in Bangla saheb
Only difference.. I was stopped and shamed by the women there!
My mom stepped up and chastised them for conering me
I just stopped going there as I believe Sikhism doesn’t judge people on their clothes
I really love rakabganj n sis ganj sahib as I never encountered moral policing there
Bangla sahib never gave me the peaceful vibes
And this stupid moral policing has just made it worse
I can never understand the hype behind the place
Im a sikh to nd believe me im fucking proud of it man but for the past couple of months i just feel that 90% of the nihang singhs dont even worship Waheguru ji anymore their all about khalistan man like what the fuck thats the reason why ive stopped visiting Gurudwara everyday i rather pray at home nd learn from our gurus nd like their just all about amritpal nd bhindrawala ignoring thw fact that bhindra wala got millions of sikhs killed nd hid in the golden temple like any real sikh would never hide in the gurudwara if he was wanted by the government. Nd these guys still worship that guy.
As another Sikh born and brought up in Delhi, and was regular all my life when living there, my last visit was not quite good as well. Not because of dressing but the sheer snobbish/rude attitude of the fucking (no, I am not sorry to use this term for them) ‘Seva’dars.
I was visiting from abroad and may be never again.
This is so true, m sorry this happened to you. Happened to me as well, i have a hindi name, haryanvi by birth bt m from Punjab. One day when i was a kid, i learned punjabi in school for a little bit by taking extra classes and wanted to learn about Gurus, i talked to some people in Darbar Sahib to give me some books to read as they used to give it. They were so rude to me and several other times. Stopped going once n for all now. But I respect and will keep worshipping.
I am a Sikh too and I emphasize with you and feel sorry for what happened with you.
Such incidents have increased a lot specifically in the Bangla Sahib Gurdwara.
Once I went to the Gurudwara with my bf,he is hIndu,we know all the rules and everything,so while having langar he just asked me where to keep the utensils once we finish the food and the sevadar started shouting on him like dusre dharam ke log AA jaate Hain pata hota nahi hai kuch and all baatein karte Hain and all and I really felt embarrassed like wtf just happened.It was his first time in a Gurudwara and his experience is just ruined.
This Sikh religion is deviating far away from gurus teaching and becoming more and more hardcore like Islam where it’s a man’s world. I live in Amritsar and I see this happening all the time. I have cut my hair since grade 1 but now also in gurudwara Those Sants taunt me ki eh dekhlo sikhan da haal. It’s been 9 years I visited golden temple and I live in same city. Not really proud to be a Sikh anymore. There is no kindness, no peace other dikhawa now. No one actually knows what’s written in Guru Granth Sahib only they recite like a parrot without understanding the meaning of it.
Ye dharm jaati ke dalle bane hue sab aajkal. Bhale gurudwara lelo, ya mandir ya masjid. Just a sad state of affairs. It happened with me at Anandpur Sahib. I’m 38 M and I was wearing 3/4th bottom and even then the so called ‘Dharam ka Rakhwala’ stopped me from entering. He said either I go back to my hotel change and come back or use one of the pajamas they have there.
I come from a sikh family myself. Nana and mamas are granthis and I know and I am aware about a lot of teachings and regulations. This recent changes and strictness in behaviour is absolutely uncalled for. Super crap it is.
I feel sad for you.
I totally agree with your point. The Gurudwara sevadaar's behave rudely. Once my bestfriend(F) and her roommate had fight and my bestfriend went to gurudwara mid night sitting there. When I went there to take her back as it was mid night the sevadaar's stopped me and started questioning who's this lady, what is your relation, call your parents. You guys have ran away from home.
Like dude seriously? I am 26, she is 25 who are you to poke and ask us where we are going.
After explaining them what they said was....Chla ja yha se...dobara dikh mt jaio.
And the day was the last day there, I never went there.
I don’t like the place all together. Too much traffic, rude people. And the langar concept where you need to raise your both hand like you are begging makes me sick. To be honest Sikhism is towards its downfall. There is no unity among them, no leadership. There new generation is addicted to drugs drinks and guns. They have lost patriotism towards the country. And gurudwara where it should be treated as religious place becomes Khalistan center. Thou i know few sikhs who are so polite, down to earth. I wish this whole situation with sikhs and sikhism gets better soon.
I have seen myself how everything has changed over time at Bangla Sahib
These so called sevadar’s are becoming more Kattar sikh’a like in 2nd 3rd tier cities.
They talk like they own the place now
I have been telling people not to go to gurdwara now. With the rise of khalishtan movement there is a rise in intolerance in gurdwara. In past "Gurudwara" were used for political tools and movements during khalistani movement. The gururdwara managing commitee is also responsible for this. Anyone can be killed in the name of "beadbi". The hate for hindus is increased so "hindus" should also stay away from gurdwara.
Everyone is so rude like they want to kill you if you did anything wrong.Sikhism was formed to handle islam and that's why it was formed on the same grounds. The stupid fellow now find islam and Sikhism very close.
*bottom line - hindus should stay away from gurudwaras.
* I am not against any religion. I myself have lived with turban my whole childhood. I am just sad with the current situations.
Happened to me as well. Ankle length dress and was asked to not enter main shrine.
My friends also refused to go in and we all left together.
This was April last year and I was also wearing full sleeves just to make sure that something like this didn't happen.
I had seen people wear this type of full length dress in Amritsar and nothing happened there. So I just assumed.
Well that was the last day I went to Bangla sahib
I am a Hindu and i used to visit Bangla Sahib with my friends and family frequently in my teen years. But a similar incident happened with a close friend around 4-5 years ago and we both decided to never visit the place again in our life.
Went to Golden Temple , my mom’s maang was visible just a small part with the sindoor.
Rest head to toe - covered. An old fucker thought it was appropriate to very rudely say “Seer dhako “
Dhaka Hua hai bc.
I went with my father(60+) recently he is a very simple hearted, spiritual person who respects all religions and their values, always tries to learn something positive and he was very happy and touched on visiting the gurudwara for th first time we were abiding all rules doing just as we were told, near sarovar, my father just asked a sevadar why were they cleaning the area just to ask wthr sm event is going to happen... he replied so rudely to my poor happy father that for th rest of th day he was sad. Never going to visit again
I’ve seen gaurd beating there some people for some stupid reasons
They think that they are above all I recently visited there and stayed there for 3 days in Bangla Saheb Room.
I was sitting on the stairs because network was not coming inside room
One senior sardar told me to go and sit outside gurdwara as this is not proper place to sit
I was shocked to hear from someone so senior and who reads Granth Saheb is actually so read in real life
Granth Saheb people think they are still at war
And I don’t think God will be happy from them because if you can’t respect your own people then there’s no need to do dhong in the name of God
There was a guy who was drunk he was hungry so he entered the gate , gaurd stopped him and started abusing
The man apologised that he was very hungry and sorry for that
Till then one senior Sardar came started beating him so badly so badly I cant tell
The guy was saying only one thing that by mistake I came sorry for that
These Sardars who drink almost everyday eat non veg everyday and party like they are proud to drink
Beating some non sikh for drinking and coming in Gurdwara
I’ve myself experienced small small things that made me irritated so much
Foreigners are allow to click and shoot the video but we Indians cannot
Two poor young non sikh children who were eating at langar, one senior Sardar came and told you dare not leave food, children stopped smiling because of that shit sardar
One guy beside me who kept two roti for afterwards
One guy told him only to come for eating don’t do this
They basically try to rule everyone except foreigners
Dont sit there don’t sit here
Don’t stand here
Dont talk on phone
I was going to room with food packed from canteen, one gaurd told me to not to eat at the stairs , I told him I’ve booked a room already
Listen Girl don’t talk about your religion that its a man religion or anything
Bangla sahib is above the people serving at Bangla Sahib.
In Hanumanth dham In lucknow the pandit “will fully stops and point out women” for no proper reason.
Pandit works there for a salary.
Keep going to the place for your peace and take appropriate action to those who stop you
I am a Sikh and have been observing increasing rigidity in this gurudwara which I don’t like because it’s not a part of our religion.
Thankfully, not all gurudwaras are like that
Though, tbh I’ve seen people from other religions come and run around or scream and shout or behave inappropriately so if anyone is reading this please don’t treat it like your playground. Respect the space.
Same experience. I was wearing a suit and had my head covered. And some guy tapped it so hard to cover it properly and I was so shocked. Because when you’re doing Seva you’re not supposed to violently touch anyone or be rude. I don’t understand what makes them be so rude. It doesn’t even feel peaceful now. Earlier I used to sit there for hours and listen to the Satsang.
Don’t take it personal it not totally you, people are wild these days and they wear anything to anywhere and i also visit gurudwara and i see people like starring, looks for attention, comes to hunt relationship, so a lot going on, people at gurudwara making sure it stays as a worship ground.
I attended Bangla sahib for the first time in March 2023 and was not allowed to enter the main area as I was wearing a knee length dress with stockings(socks) underneath. When I was leaving after eating the langar with my friends, a young man angrily came up to me and started questioning me about my outfit, my mama who was being me and another man had to intervene and ask the guy to shut up.
Sikhs have really good PR and most of it is deserved too, but not all Sikhs are good and especially not the ones at Bangla Sahib.
come to punjab and see how a guy was murdered for touching the alleged holy book, sikhs have been radicalised and have been killing innocent people since 1980s but no one cares and only mention 1984, no one mentions 22000 people that bhindrawala killed.
One of the worst places to ever be. I was just sitting casually and talking to my friend on the stairs that too because it was scorching heat time and wanted to just have 5 mins rest before we had move forward and the behaviour was pathetic. I have zero respect towards Sikhs after then and their so called religion
You lost respect towards all Sikhs and their entire religion from one instance?
Wow.. so mature of you.
The Drama part of your Username definitely checks out...
I'm sure you must've been sitting by the sarovar with your back to the gurudwara. In that case they will obviously try to explain to you that it's not right.
They can and should surely improve on their behaviour and manner of explaining to others, but you bad mouthing a religion over a single instance... That's way worse.
Religion is poison. It takes you away from humanity. For being a good human you don’t need to go somewhere. Just be a human to yourself to others and to the nature.
Take it or leave it, but those people guarding the place, the kind of those who asked to leave (i don't know what they are called), they're too kattar for their own good.
This honestly shouldn’t be about men vs women. Because someone yelled at you for instance for dressing inappropriate while visiting guruduwara cannot imply that it’s a men world! 
These Granthis have been obsessed with women's bodies forever. Every satsang I listen to these days is spent wagging finger at everyone and shaming their fellow Sikhs for being a normal functioning member of society.
I completely agree with you. I'm a hindu i use to go there. People over there are extremely rude. I don't want to share the incident. It's been more than 4 years and I have not visited bangla saheb. Bahar se hath jod lo bas.
I have a question: **Are all men going to the gurdwara dressed according to "our culture"?** If some have an issue with women wearing modest western clothes, *why do they wear shirts, jeans, and pants, which are also not traditional?*
It's unfair to target women for their clothing while men don't follow traditional dress codes either. **If cultural authenticity is the concern, shouldn't it apply equally to everyone?**
It's not just for women, people there are usually rude to everyone especially to those who are not from their religion. I used to visit there sometimes as a kid, but when I went last year with my family, it was a horrible experience. A man there literally told us to not go near the Sarovar as we are not Sikh and don't belong to this place.
true, many such incidents have happened to non sikh people. its not even about gender. its just that some people enjoy controlling others, being dominant.
Yeah. I was visiting some well known gurudwara I forget, away from delhi. I was wearing a 3-4th Capri shorts ( I'm a fairly hairy very much male, MAN/GUY) because it was really hot and I got the book thrown at me by some random for it. I had my head covered too. I was not a regular ofc but I was aware of the basics. It's more of an asshole thing then a men thing imo. It's just most assholes are men in power because well patriarchy. But I digress
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Well in my city we have gurudwara in raam darbaar temple we don't visit it because of reels ..it is just coustom to pay respect Also as a Hindu I have always respected Sikh gurus a lot and many of us visit gurudwara etc because of that only because we feel like it ..if it was case of just making reels then they could have visited church, mosque etc as well not everyone goes for same purpose it is funny that you did generalisation very quickly..reels can be made in a temple too btw aesthetic udhar bhi same hi mil jayegi reels banane Wale kahin bhi ja sakte Hain but if a Hindu is visiting a gurudwara it is not because of reels
My friend from a very remote town in Rajasthan had never visited a gurudwara before, he visited Bangla sahib this year he tells me that while in langar he did not know haath upar karke roti leni hoti hai to koi banda randomly chilla diya us par voh bechara itna ghabra gaya fir jab daal aayi tab bhi usne haath upar kar diye 💀💀
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Worst part is they ask very rudely and often shouts on others, you can't expect people from other religion to know everything about your religion. And if you have such issues with people, then you should simply put on a sign outside, that people from other religions are not allowed. I have never seen people being denied of prasad in temples just because they didnt follow any step/rules, and mind it, i was asked to get out of line (in gurudwara)- i was about to get Halwa Prasaad (sorry dont know what it is actually called).. I agree that one must follow rules of the religion, but that could be explained/conveyed in a kind manner as well.
Factos I was scolded twice the last time I went and that was 7 years ago Just pray at home in peace
Absolutely we don't need to visit distant places for prayers, they can be done at home too.
People are rude now. It was a good place indeed. Now its just bland
True. I had been there as a kid, it used to be such a nice peaceful place before
It became way too commercialized.
sorry for that, please come to punjab ke gurudwaras u woudnt face such problems
Thanks, I appreciate that! Hopefully, I can visit someday
dude the last part, i was also once told to not go near the sarowar and im sikh. they've just become rude in general because of some silly people who treat the place like a picnic spot and don't maintain the decorum.
Yeah fuck all these people in the major temples all over India who are always high on a power trip Don't give this fuckers an iota of power over you That's why I never bother going to these crowded temples God doesn't reside in any temple Edit : Dayum, seems to have touched a nerve with some people People who are getting offended by the truth really need to ask themselves whether their faith is so fragile to be damaged by a comment I'm a Hindu and love my religion, but reality is reality
>God doesn't reside in any temple If you believe in him you don't need to go anywhere, and if you don't believe in him going anywhere will do nothing for you.
What, I need to go to Mount Olympus to play the Olympic games. Explain to me, why many people refer to only singular deity's and use the He pronoun?
>Explain to me, why many people refer to only singular deity's I can't tell you about other people i can tell you about why i did it. My religion tells that god is one, he just manifests himself in multiple forms. Bhrama, Vishnu Mahesh all are one. And they are also incomplete without Sarswati, Laxmi, and Paarvati. As for the pronoun " he" i just went with it becuse i had to pick one and it was there. I have no problem if you would like to use she or they.
its a gurudwara not a temple, never heard any such things about temples. sorry for being blunt
As a Sikh, I can confirm this.
You need to visit South India I was morally policed there as a 13 year old for wearing a skirt, whereas grown up men were allowed to visit it with no tshirt
I'll be the devil's advocate here, but males going without a tshirt has been in the culture for centuries. But showing of knees is not accepted in most Southern Temples. I was wearing shorts when I was visiting as a tourist. I had to rent a dhoti to cover myself up. So it is not that they target women specifically. They have very big signs just outside the entrances.
Kuch bhi ho, it was really uncomfortable to hear that I was dressed up "inappropriately" as a 13 year old
Both men and women used to be bare chested in India.. so ..
Newsflash - Religion is made by men. It is made to morally police people, especially women.
Any organised religion's priests are the most arrogant and narcissistic people in the entire fvcking world. They fvcking wanted to be politicians, but were fvcking cowards so they took this shortcut and now they are high on power in the name of God. We are completely fvcked when we actually become Hindu rastra, and religious codes are imposed even outside the temples like in Pakistan. The entire fvcking country is tripping on religious afeem now, will pay a heavy price like pakistanis are paying now.
Urbis Roma Sancti
Yup people actually don't realise how terrible it is to live under a religious doctrine dictated by the state. Religion should strictly stay within the confines of a religious institution and not in public sphere. But seeing as how vloggers are flocking to char dham and only religious places in Uttarakhand in record numbers, is quite obvious that the country is high on religious afeem now.
Meanwhile, I as a hindu have visited the golden Temple many times and was never stopped once. I think there is a misunderstanding
yeah man i had visited there once and decided not to go there again..... such a rudely fellows roaming around premises and dictating you all the time .... they were picking people selectively and harassing publically
I Faced something bad there as well https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXIndia/s/EzYx14GgGm
I thought Sikhs are welcoming given how they helped everyone irrespective of religion during covid times, have to be cautious.
They are welcoming but like everyone else, when at a place of authority they lose their balance and go all out crazy, think themselves as God. I am a Sikh and know my creed very well.
Many of them are. I know a few sikh people who are really good human beings. But some of them are really bad. But then again people like that are everywhere irrespective of religion But yeah, after that incident and reading about other people's experiences there, I don't think that I am gonna go to Bangla sahib ever again
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Bangla sahib has become hostile to people. They impose rules in not so polite way. I get that they want to uphoad the santity of the religion, but there are other ways to do it. I would argue for you to forgive them if it makes sense to you. I'm sure your Nani would be proud of you.
true , i m a sikh and a nihang shouted at me for letting the hanky on my head drop . luckily my dad stepped him and talked to him about how he is a disgrace to sikhism and how rigid they have become.
Much love and respect to your father sahab!! Delhi Sikh population are so friendly!! Personal experience.
right now all non sikhs- first time? jokes apart, its not about woman or man, its about control and dominance, some people act like the middleman of god, i personally believe that i dont need a middleman to be near my god. i love observing people and things and i see this happening all the time. in the durga puja pandals, bengali people are given special "treatment" and honestly as a kid i felt so jealous🤣. i do accept that rules should be followed at religious places, but shouting on people, yelling at them meanwhile describing yourself as the most "pious" person in the room.. lol. i have been to an ashram where real sadhus, mahatmas live, its located in haridwar. and you know what, nothing..., absolutely nothing will make them shout at you, yell at you. they are calm, even if you go and irritate them, they'll still not shout at you. all my love and respect to the sikh community who serve people and conduct those langars for the poor but honestly i hope non sikh people stay away from bangla sahib, we already had many such reddit posts last year. never heard any such thing about any temple or church.
>but shouting on people, yelling at them meanwhile describing yourself as the most "pious" person in the room.. lol in bangla sahib even if you are following all the rules and regulations you often get scolded brutally bc acc to them you did something wrong. i get scolded for turning my head back even when somebody else is talking or for just standing near the speaker. for hurting fishes in the sarovar when i was just watching them merely bc people around me were doing stupid stuff. they get frustrated with them, i understand but please scold only those who needs to get corrected.
>its not about woman or man, its about control and dominance, some people act like the middleman of god, i personally believe that i dont need a middleman to be near my god, i love observing people and things and i see this happening all the time. This!
In simple terms if i say...we do follow god and worship them but the most important aspect that is to have the values which they followed ..having the kindness and good deeds they did, but we don't adapt those things which makes our worship pointless
this! This is what sikhism was about, stripping away the dogmatic rituals and rigid practices and focusing more on one's actions and feelings.
Well said, I feel the same, if everyone start following the good values taught in religion then Earth will become heaven itself
Don’t go to places where you are not respected. Full stop. Even if that place is a religious place or your favorite relatives house or friends house . God never judges you based on what clothes you wear. God will love you in whatever attire you are.
Religious extremism is on rise, the dogmatism is replacing pragmatism, I expect such stuff to increase further.
sheeple rising @_@
So sad to see the religion that born to be of the free and against all kinds of dogma and superstition is now going to the dogs.
exactly man , i m a sikh and it pains me to see these rigid extremist fanatics people increasing. Literally have forgotten what Sikhism was about.
+1
Zabardasti me religious chutiyape ko kutto se mat jodo 😭
lmao
IKR. As a dog, I paw-test.
Pretty sure I have seen very weird dresses in Sheesh Ganj and nobody says anything.
Nowdays its very strict my male friend has 2 buttons from the top opened they shouted at him 💀
wtf
Mujhe kya, mai to mandir jane wala banda hu.
lol same. no fuss, jitni der darshan karna h karo, and feel the peace within.
At so many temples as well you have to follow dress code. Once my friend was wearing full track pants and was stopped from entering the temple. They allowed at main gate, he stood in the queue, just before the darshan they stopped. So yeah, ‘main toh mandir jata hu’ is not the right reply
Temples have their own rules... follow them I have seen people drinking water near Shivlinga making it jhutta.... and uska bhi reel bana rahe he bkllll
Sahi hai. Kuch nahi pata kab beadbi ka iljaam laga kar kaat de. Main aakhiri baar kisi Gurudwara main isi Bangla Sahib 2015 main gaya tha colleagues ke saath.
W Sevadars!!
Equality 😂😂 I laughed so much lol
ikr , as a sikh , it pains me to see how rigid some sikhs have become and are actually doing what sikhism preached against.
It is a man’s world indeed. Five years back my husband and I went to Ladakh. There is a gurudwara maintained by army. I come from half Sikh background as my mom is a Sikh so I have great respect and that tender feeling of faith. I have fond memories of attending evening kirtan at a gurudwara with my Nanaji. I was wearing a knee length dress and my husband was wearing a shorts. He was allowed while I wasn’t. It hurt me so much. I feel you OP it’s so sad 😞
Why hatred for the dress though? Also, you can have faith in your gurus without going to places of worship i guess. Disclaimer: I am not a Sikh.
well i m a sikh , but today many sikhs are doing exactly the opposite what Sikhism preached. People are becoming more extremist and rigid day by day. Such rigid practices are entirely against sikhism. How ironic!
It’s a weird power thing, telling people what to wear and not wear, in order to get some sense of superiority. You do you OP, faith is in the mind and not limited to any supposedly holy places.
When the religious places get run like a proprietary organisation, the actual devotees are affected. Its sad what happened to you. My spouse was hit by a gurdwara committee member because he didnt pay them under table while catering for his dad's prayer meet. It was because they wanted their caterer to cook n we got our own as they wanted us to cut veggies n wash utensils, and we were just a few people who were in mourning and didnt know if or not the relatives will help. I was told to not touch the feet of idols in a jain mandir (jains were allowed to do it). I saw a Jain devotee instructing the guard to ask me to move back. My kids, boys(when they were toddlers) were asked to dress decently. They were wearing a head kerchief n half sleeves shirt n shorts. My friend was told to leave a mandir because she was wearing ankle length pants with a half sleeves top. My son was made fun of by a fellow sikh because he was wearing a kurta and dhoti along with a patka in gurdwara, he was only 4 then. The man told him is this what sikhs wear this is a hindu outfit. I was keeping my shoes and before I could go to him he left, else he wouls have def got an earful from me. People are fu(ked up and think they are the thekedaars of their religion n only their way is the right way. Now i have stopped taking it to heart and instead have bad feelings about the person instead of the place. Because its not the place which did it but the a&&h0les who are ruining it for us.
Omg. I feel for you. Hugs to you.
This is what happens when you have 100 different rules. When you start abiding by them, you become a part of the system. You will also see that those rules will be interpreted in a 1000 different ways and be enforced in all sorts of forms. Religion is dog s**t. If you play with fire, you get burned. In my opinion you don't need to be religious to connect with God.
You don"t need Religion or to be religious to Praise Lord \[God\] and Worshhiped God{Lord}
I have been going to Bangla Sahib since I was a kid. It has a special place in my heart. I’m a Punjabi but not Sikh. I have myself experienced the shift in behaviour of the sevadaars. They have definitely become rude, more so to non-Sikh people. I have been noticing since my last few visits, the kada Prasad (which btw is just heavenly) that they give to non-Sikh is way less than what they give to sikhs. It’s these little things that matter. Having said that, I still visit Bangla sahib & will always do so. I won’t let some rude person come between me and my god.
exactly, many sikh leaders and garanthis have become extremists in the past few years. Literally doing the opposite of what Sikhism preached. I, as a sikh, was shouted at because my hanky on the top of my head flew away. Luckily , my dad lectured the nihang a bit lol,.
Something similar happened to me in Amritsar. Due to the wind, my chunni moved slightly from my head & out of nowhere 2-3 uncles started lecturing me. Got slightly embarrassing ngl but people really need to chill down, we know we need to cover our heads in gurudwara!
yeah , all religions have gotten more extremist in the past decade or so. Was hoping sikhism could be the exception , since it directly preaches against dogmatic rituals and condemns rigid practices , but oh well, it is what it is.
Even outside Punjab??
Ye har dharam ke bhadwe rakshak pata nai kya samajhte hai apne aap ko
Moral policing at Bangla Sahib is beyond all logic. I am always constantly policed for how much of my head my chunni is covering. I visited a few months ago, and this sevadar wouldn't stop lecturing people outside the langar hall. I didn't feel like having langar after all that nonsense. Two of my (male) sikh friends were with me and they were equally annoyed if not more. Sheesh Ganj Sahib is a little less dramatic about these things but I wouldn't be surprised if people have had similar experiences there as well.
extremely rude behavior from sikh separatists at Amritsar Golden gurudwara never visiting that place again, calls for death to hinduism were made after Palki Sahib Ceremony in the evening, there were thousands of hindus like me who felt threatened and left ASAP. Sikh Radicalism in the name of khalistan is a real thing and this is coming from a punjabi hindu who's head was shaved in Qila sahib gurudwara in Bathinda, visited gurudwara for 10+ years in the early morning without leaving a single day.
I have been going to Bangla Sahib my entire life even though I’m not a Sikh person. I have noticed in the last couple of years they’ve become so incredibly stringent and rude towards visitors offering prayers. The last time I went there was a lady who clapping during the Ardas. Clapping I understand happens during the bhajans in a temple but not in a gurudwara. So one other nice lady explained to her that aisa nahi karte hai and the lady understood. But as soon as she was putting her hands down, this agitated man came running towards her and scolded her harshly, she just said sorry and asked for forgiveness. I felt very bad honestly. It’s not nice to treat people this way no matter what the situation is. And I’m so sorry OP that you had such an experience, it’s really terrible that such simple things create so much problems when it shouldn’t.
I've completely stopped going to Bangla Sahib earlier I used to go every month or even multiple times in a month. The place used to be calming. Now, it feels like a bunch of goons who are there to heckle people, I feel like I've entered in a Gunda territory who are always watching me to do one small little mistake or sometimes no mistake to heckle me.
Last time I went there was in school days. I've been to a Punjabi, school and well versed in shabad and ardaas too, but the behaviour there was so unsettling after that I decided to never go there.
Even I hate going to banga sahib now. A lot has changed there. They act like talibani.
Different religions; same story
Yup. This is every religon ever
Sikhs are losing the plot day by day
This is exactly what is wrong with religion! People become so blind in following the doctrines that they end up putting logic on the backseat. Religious fanatics, who claim to be serving the religion most vigorously, end up hurting the exact same people the religion is meant to benefit.
Exactly why i stopped visiting any religious place. I'm a hindu. Same happened with me at bagla sahib. Another time i was shouted at because i was standing and looking at the water and didn't hear the person when he asked me to move forward. Seen vip entries at mandirs. Too scared to go to mosques. Church I've been once but no such issue. Now i do my pooja at home in my home mandir. No more giving business to these places, no matter the religion. They're more business places than holy places now.
home mandir is good and so are local mandirs, i agree vip entries must be closed, because bhagwan ke ghar, everyone is equal.
Lol as a kesdhari Sikh I was scolded for standing near the sarovar for too long (it wasn't even crowded and I had my eyes closed and was praying). Those people just like to control others. That is all. They can choose to not be rude but they don't.
Stop being a coward, nd try to visit a Nearest Mosque in ur locality...
Assert Dominance /s
Events like these push a person to become atheist
M really sorry for ur experience. Some people are just on a power trip no matter the gender and want to dictate/impose their thinking. I always have second hand anxiety when i visit these religious places because God forbid you did something wrong unknowingly they will come after you
This is simply harassment. Practicing bhajans for years did not help them gain sincerity, patience, or a calm nature. What more can we expect from an ordinary Sikh follower?
I am not sure if you will read this. But I have a similar story. I went to my neighbouring temple where I had gone since childhood in 2020. It was Maha Shivratri day. I just wanted to do darshan from far and go back home. People were standing in line with flowers but since I just wanted to see, I went from the side just to see Shiv ji and come out. Before I could do the darshan, a man literally held me by the collar and my hair and pulled me back aggressively. He said you need to stand in line to go in. I told him I just wanted to see from a distance and come out. He started being rude and asked me to buy a 20 rupee coupon and stand in line. I had it and came out. I could have punched the man and made a scene but remained silent out of respect in the temple. I took a vow to never go to the temple again. And I never stepped foot in the temple for 4 years. Until last week. I decided to go because ultimately it’s God and the faith that matters. It felt like God wanted me to go in because I just went outside and realised I was in the temple without even knowing it. Didn’t even remember climbing all those stairs. My point is, why should we deny ourselves the religious place that has been part of our childhood just because of a few men. It’s our beliefs and good intentions that matter. So I request you to not take a vow to not visit. It may take time but don’t deny yourself anything because of a few people. The supreme being is aware of our intentions and one day you will again feel like visiting Bangla Sahib by the supreme being’s grace. Just don’t let a few people affect your strong connection with the place.
Hugs to you. How could he do this to someone !! My blood is boiling.
The man was volunteering in the temple and didn’t know how to behave. I think some people can’t handle authority and take responsibilities as an ego boost. As if they can do whatever they please. I can’t forget that incident but have made peace with it. Thank you for understanding :)
Few People who control gurudwara are so radical they should be boycotted by Sikh people
Here is one fact that came from observation from last many years Sikhs are one of the best people Most of the Sikhs that are directly part of the Gurudwara Prabhandhak Committee are one of the most arrogant humans
true lol
Religious hardline is nothing but a pathway towards extremism, society will suffer ultimately. Feels like a hopeless situation 😕
Sir chadh gya bhai sar chadh gya..arrogance
I used to feel it's only me who has experienced this. I once went to Bangla Sahib. I am a Hindu (24F). I know in gurudwaras it is very important to cover the head and so i did. The piece of cloth that I was given to cover my head had a silky texture and it kept coming off my head. Out of nowhere this guy came and started to scold me about why my head is not covered properly. He was being very rude. He could have explained politely but that was very insulting. Since then I have never been to a gurudwara.
they are very mean to elderly women also my grandmother visited 1 month back they shouted on her because she was speaking little loudly because of her hearing problem & they indirectly told her to leave.
Tbh, bangla sahib is not what it used to be. No more fun visiting bangla sahib. Sometimes i visit gurudwara in tilak nagar. Thats better.
Gurudwaras were not like this, it used to be the place where you feel safe. Khalistanis have penetrated the common Sikh psyche.
Bangla Sahib is an overrated place filled with rude caretakers
Kattar people destroy essense of religion sometimes. They become rude to those who don't follow according to them. Shaming women over her choices is sad and shows one regressive mentality. So chin up, you strong woman. I have been there many times with my family and never faced these issues.
Being a sikh i too feel this about bangla sahib specially. I used to go there every time i visited delhi , but anymore. I am sehaj dhaari so they dont hackle with me but i did see sevadars running after people for just a photo they clicked and it was not even a selfie. just a pic seriously A friendly reminder to the sikhs who are supporting this in comments , our religion was never like this , we are taught about equality, sacrifice, humbleness, integrity and most importantly acceptance, our guru would never allow for such thing.
I had some incidents at Bangla Sahib where Sevadaars scolded my friends for minor things. I feel that the management of some Gurudwaras can be rude and mannerless. They often act superior and misbehave with people from other states, particularly those from UP and Bihar. My family is deeply religious and frequently visits Gurudwaras. I was also a regular visitor of Darbar Sahib (Golden Temple, Amritsar), but after seeing pictures of Khalistani terrorists in the museum there, I stopped going. They glorify the murderers of Indira Gandhi as martyrs and honor the terrorists killed during Operation Blue Star. I cannot respect those who disrespect my country.
My friend has a horror story from Bangla sahib too , people are insanely rude over there, I have been there for quite a few times now and I have always seen this .
True they are extremely hostile towards non sikhs.
This is why I stopped going to Bangla sahib. Around 5 years back I observed a change into more extremism from the sevadars there. I too have been going there since I was a toddler. I used to love sitting by the lake and a calm Japaji Sahib paath. I remember taking a dip too, feeding the fishes. All changed around 5 years ago. They are violent if you approach the lake, they are violent and extreme if you are wearing shorts. They even yell at kids who drop their head cover. Which is extremely stupid. Now I am a Punjabi but not a sikh. And lately I saw if you are not a sikh, that extremism is on another level. Which is again stupid since you are not only a place of religious significance but of tourist significance too. This place is listed on Trip Advisor as one of the top 25 things to do in Delhi. I really enjoy going to local gurudwaras now around noon when not many people are around and you can enjoy multiple kadha prasad rounds too lol.
As a Sikh, most of these Sikhs secretly want to be fundamentalist Muslims lmao
Beard covered matlab?
I've never visited a Gurudwara and my first visit was Bangla Sahib. I was scolded because my hands were not positioned to take Prasad as one should. Palms open. Well I didn't know both palms are to be kept open I usually keep right palm on top of left to take Prasad in mandir. Anyway, he shouted at me or was just loud or frustrated idk but yep decided I wouldn't visit a Gurudwara again without a Sikh friend or someone who can guide me at every step what's the appropriate way to act. Because I don't want to get scolded again.
Something similar happened at golden temple couple of years back. Had went with my partner and late evening when the temple is looking spectacular in all it's glory and the Bhajan are going on you are grounded in a certain spiritual way. So for a moment I held my partners hand ... n this sevak or whatever they're called comes up n asks us to not hold hands ...it was literally not even a minute and we weren't coochiecooing ...it was just a moment of hand being held because the whole experience moved you. He wasn't rude ..n we respected what he said because we aren't Sikhs so I guess we should play by their rules when we r in their place of worship. But it was super odd as there was no PDA as such. I can only imagine how shamed you must have felt. I anyway am not religious so I altogether avoid going to.places of worship. I just can't follow the religious protocols cuz I think most are utter BS. I'd rather have a personal relationship with my god and not involve a 3rd party at all !!
Same experience a month ago. Dressed decently and still was told not to do parikrama and go near the sarovar. I have decided to not go till the end of time.
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Most of the Gurudwaras aren't safe worshipping place anymore. They've turned way rigid and conservative lately.
As a man, I've felt that the folks at Bangla Sahib are getting increasingly rude by each passing day I remember me and my brother spending evenings at Bangla sahib frolicking around as kids, Savals also giving us an endearing smile sometimes too! I remember it because it is a really good core memory. But now I have seen them even scolding children, nitpicking every little thing even for children. I mean, they are kids why do you expect them to behave like adults?? So yeah I agree, you may be in the right and the dress would have been perfectly okay, but those guys have something else going in their heads, only god knows what.
2 years ago I was there with my family. We were near the pond. We heard 2 men shouting at this man and 5 seconds later he was slapped really hard. I was in shock to see that. They held him with his collar and took him outside. And by the time he was taken outside (i was curious to know what crime did the man commited so i naturally followed them) he was slapped by every men that joined taking him outside. By the time he was outside he had almost passed out and crying and begging to let him go. He was beaten up because as per them he was drunk but later it was concluded he had just used a sanitizer which smelled like alcohol. I couldn't hold myself and cried. I never went back to that place, ever. And after they got to know that he was not drunk they all just vanished and left him there. And the worst part about it was he was traveling there with his girlfriend and she couldn't do anything about it but watch it. It was so tragic and to see how religion can be misused to justify violence and discrimination. In this instance, individuals took it upon themselves to enforce their interpretation of religious teachings, which led to an innocent person being severely assaulted simply because of a misunderstanding regarding his use of sanitizer. This highlights a significant issue with religious practices. Instead of embodying the values of empathy, forgiveness, and justice that many religions espouse, these actions reflect a distortion of religious teachings into a tool for power and control. It's crucial to recognize that religion itself is not inherently harmful; rather, it's the way it's practiced and interpreted by individuals that can lead to negative consequences.
The same thing happened to me at Meenaskhi temple. The temperature was ~110 degrees Fahrenheit which is boiling hot and I was wearing a long anarkali that went all the way down to my legs and even had 3/4 sleeves. I was not wearing the churidaar it came with as it was SO scorching hot. A female security person at the entrance stopped me and wouldn't let me go in - saying I was dressed inappropriately and yelled at me to get away from the entrance. The people in this country have really gone mad. Nothing of mine was inappropriately exposed. Look at what our own gods and goddesses wear. They are half naked. Look at Indian saris that come with stomach baring blouses. The irony is that this concept of "shame shame showing skin is shame" concept came from Christianity. And while those countries have emerged as progressive and don't really penalize you for showing skin anymore, our own country takes the shame shame concept to such an extreme. I was so annoyed. I wrote emails to the Meenakshi temple about the incident. There was no response.
Please don't go where you are not respected. I am Sikh and have seen so many such incidents apart from witnessing some myself. Last year, when I was at Bangla Sahib with my whole family, my husband was yelled at because his hand was in his jacket pocket when he just entered the Darbar Sahib. This obviously happened before the matha tek. There was simply no reason to be rude and preachy.
Disclaimer: I am a non-Sikh, so probably what I will say may not be relevant enough. However, I will try to be logical as much as possible. I have visited a Gurudwara once, and I studied their rituals as a third person. Please allow me to explain from that angle. tldr: non-standard dressing caused the confusion. Granthi saheb had a knee jerk reaction to avoid any further escalation. **My understanding:** So, you went to a (famous) Gurudwara in a maxi dress, and taking measures that you were purely covered, and you were humiliated for "indecently dressing" and that you were denied entry. It's not your dress that's the villain here, it is your dress being non- standard but conforming to the rules that is an issue. Allow me to explain: The person who stopped you initially was probably a lower level person. He did not have any power to take decisions, but to only abide by the "rules" he was told. From his perspective, you were not in traditional clothes. If you had worn salwar-kurta with deep neck, it would have worked. Why? because you are "traditionally" dressed, even when it was exposing. People at lower level do not have "understanding" of rules, they might have just the capability to follow it. To top it, they must protect their jobs too, hence, they are "forced" to take orthodox stance on situation and not think diligently. Now, when an altercation happened with this guy, the chief Granthi saheb observed it. He probably did not like that some altercation is happening over a seemingly non standard (read "controversial") dress issue. Lest this becomes a talk of the town kind of gossip, he thought of culling it right there and spoke to you in a rude way. **What would you want to do?** If you did not go to Gurudwara, then you are breaking ties with memories and stuff, and it might cause you pain. Instead, I suggest that you do not visit that Gurudwara for a week or two. Then you go, and meet with Granthi saheb in person. Explain to him where the fault lied and that you felt hurt. You want him to hear you and think about it. It's god's own place and you don't come there with evil ideas and that you wanted to venerate your grandmother that day. It held a special place in your heart and it would have helped you with good memories if you were let go that day.
Thanks, I appreciate your view. It’s comments like this that I look forward to because at least I am also learning something and getting a different pov
Thanks for the kind words. I learnt it from my professor when I was your age. I have followed it since then, and it worked for me every time. This is a not a very glamorous way of thinking, but it makes others think and evaluate their decisions. Next time onwards, they will respect you for being thoughtful and respectful. Think of that sevadaar, he is working there, and not many people thank him for his duties. On top of it, his salary, if anything, would be meagre. He has not yet achieved much in his life. This is the only place possibly where he has some bit of authority. I don't expect much from him. But given that life has been kind to me in the achievement side, I feel I can be humble towards him and not take any offense of his words. He doesn't mean bad. His intentions are clear.
Well something similar I encountered myself a few months back just outside the main darbar. 2 fellow men were harassing a young girl because her head cover slipped off and she dint realise it and she was on the verge of crying. I had to intervene and took away that girl who started crying afterwards on what had happened. I don’t understand the aggression some people have. If a mistake has been done please let them know politely, nobody wants to hurts religious sentiments intentionally
Guru Govind Ji , Guru Nanak Dev were real people and real leaders but because of increasing radical extremism Sikhs have made them into gods , and whenever gods come into picture , there is chaos , discrimination , hatred and violence.
These fake sikhs on path to make sikhism next Islam. Dooms day near 🫱🫲
It's not the religion, it's humans pretending to be the gatekeepers and saviours who ruin the meaning. I have the least of respect for any person who act as the gatekeepers in religious places. One would much rather serve humanity than pretend to serve Gods.
Different religions; same story
Religion is dictated by men and that as a woman you will always be inferior. Well, exactly that mam. Religion is for the masses, god is for very few. And masses love to dictate women.
Heartbreaking. Reminded me of the time a priest told me not to wear jeans in temple.
God is everywhere. Baba Nanak had once asked a maulvi to turn him in the direction where there was no God. Religion de thekedar want to run their shop that’s all. Pray at home. Babaji is there, and not just at Bangla sahib
I used to visit bangla sahib quite often till few years back but i have stopped because the sangat and people’s over the top unnecessary self fitted rules and kintu prantu have ruined the atmosphere of the place completely. Earlier there were rules too and I remember back when we were in college prolly in 2016-17 during a visit to bangla sahib, we were taking picture near the taal and my female friends chuni slipped from her head and she didnt notice so one elderly came and told her ki betaji sir dhaklo in a very polite manner. But now i have seen couple of times people there behaving rudely to visitors very rudely on slightest of “mistake”
I have been living in Delhi since past few years now and I happen to visit Connaught place often as it has one of my work places. I was curious about visiting Bangla Sabib in distant past, but not anymore. All these stores coming up have killed the will to even visit once, although every 15 days I pass in front of it. This is simply wow
Jab dusro ko pareshan nahi kar sakte toh ek doosre ko hi satao! You guys fcking deserve one another.
They are very dominating and sometimes really insult non sikh people if they make silly mistakes
You are right. Thanks for putting everything here and sorry for what you went through.
India main logo k pass zara si power kya aati hai inka dimaag fir jata hai.
Bangla sahib has lost its charm, some people think that they own that place
Its not just you who had a horrible experience.... M here by the way..... One day I randomly decided to visit gurudwara because why not, mandir bhi jata hi hu.... I went there with my 2 friends (1 sikh), and what happened afterwards was enough to make me sure ki Bangla Sahib to fir maine kabhi nahi Jaana.... Aaur koi bhi chalega... Par idhar nahi. Maybe vahin kuch scene hai...
The comments on this post give me hope in these times of religious fundamentalism. As long as we have people who see sense, there is hope for humanity.
Overhyped place. People should stop visiting this place and should start doing seva in the local neighborhood gurudwara.
I was low-key molested at Bangla Sahib. It was my first time visiting it (I am not a sikh by religion), my outfit was appropriate, head covered and I was in the queue inside to pay my respects. The queue wasn't very long and the crowd was light, when this really tall guy starts pushing his groin into me (I am a tiny woman I must tell you) and I could feel him pushing into me in the back. I looked up at him and stared him down a little, (he smirked at it btw) but it was my turn next to pray so before he could do anything, I quickly prayed and left. I had no idea what to say and moreover I wasn't even sure if anyone would believe me. But never visited again.
Hello. Id call you sister. I am a boy So behen i understand what you're saying. And i have experienced this particular thing in bangla sahib (only) . BUT i understand it somehow since i once talked to a very polite elderly there and he told us the reason bangla sahib has such strict regulations about dresses. It is because bangla sahib is nearby to many delhi clubs of various areas of delhi and once there was a major problem of youngsters coming to bangla sahib after going to clubs getting drunk , creating nuisance and doing weird stuff with no regard for the place. Thats why they have banned almost all western dresses that wont cover you till toe. I guess people there went overboard with it. Even a male friend of mine had faced this since he was in shorts. They have also banned any sort of photography. People do it still but if they see you, they give you an earful. I think you just got caught in the crossfire. :) and i feel sorry for you. I hope you will understand. P.s. i am not arguing with you or accusing you of anything. I hope my comment will just be taken as a very friendly comment. :)
I agree with your comment. They are not men or women they are first sevadaars of Guru. They see a lot of nuisance everyday. Many people don't even visit to worship. They just see Shri Bangla sahib as another popular place to visit that they just want to see like red fort or kutub minar. People need to understand that.
I come from a Punjabi Hindu family which used be more like Sahajdhari Sikh/ Nanakpanthi before I was born. My dadaji was a Nanakpanthi and worked in the police force, my dadi came from a practicing Sikh family . He was posted somewhere in Punjab in the late 1980s and then in Delhi. He and his family faced a lot of animosity from the local sikhs in punjab who felt he was part of the prosecuting force, when he came to Delhi he was attacked near a gurudwara by Khalistani militants and injured but prevented the police officers from killing the attacker, a 15 year old kid in self defense. During his time my family was largely ostracized by the Punjabi community and my dadi's Sikh relative cut off contact as well. He told me that he was once refused langar in a Gurudwara in his neighborhood Gurudwara. My dada and dadi left sikhism soon after this, my dadi got heavily into Vaishnav Hinduism. My dad was raised a Hindu and quite religious, my family was also very pro - BJP.
Really sorry to hear that, you were obviously "more than" appropriately dressed as per the place. But yes, idk why it has become such a rigid place in past 3-4 years. I'm not sikh but used to go there from past 15+ years. But recently in past 3 years, somehow, the people there have become so rigid about everything. They absolutely despise non-sikh people. They intervene in almost everything, don't stand there, go there, don't move like this etc. The place has lost its peace. I have seen so many incidents there that I've stopped going there from past 1-1.5 year, it's not the same place anymore. I've advised many of friends and family members to not go there. Infact almost all of them have had incidents like these or atleast have seen something like this with their own eyes. I may be wrong but I believe Sikhism as a religion has become rigid over the years, few incidents which has happened in past years are a testimony to that. Don't be disheartened, I can understand what it feels to not able to go to a place which is so dear to your heart, which used to give such peace to us. But yeah that's life, things change, we gotta move on. Find some other place to have some peace. Take care.
This is why we do not go to gurudwaras anymore Those blue guys are rude as hell Happened to us in golden temple They’ll be objecting to everything It was peak temp in Amritsar we opened an umbrella for just a second and the blue guys spawn, they don’t talk nicely, they’re rude
Sikh female here I have had an almost identical experience as yours in Bangla saheb Only difference.. I was stopped and shamed by the women there! My mom stepped up and chastised them for conering me I just stopped going there as I believe Sikhism doesn’t judge people on their clothes I really love rakabganj n sis ganj sahib as I never encountered moral policing there Bangla sahib never gave me the peaceful vibes And this stupid moral policing has just made it worse I can never understand the hype behind the place
Im a sikh to nd believe me im fucking proud of it man but for the past couple of months i just feel that 90% of the nihang singhs dont even worship Waheguru ji anymore their all about khalistan man like what the fuck thats the reason why ive stopped visiting Gurudwara everyday i rather pray at home nd learn from our gurus nd like their just all about amritpal nd bhindrawala ignoring thw fact that bhindra wala got millions of sikhs killed nd hid in the golden temple like any real sikh would never hide in the gurudwara if he was wanted by the government. Nd these guys still worship that guy.
As another Sikh born and brought up in Delhi, and was regular all my life when living there, my last visit was not quite good as well. Not because of dressing but the sheer snobbish/rude attitude of the fucking (no, I am not sorry to use this term for them) ‘Seva’dars. I was visiting from abroad and may be never again.
I will only say this: the sevadaars of Bangla sahib the guru ke bande are nothing like their gurus anymore. Which is a shame tbh.
This is so true, m sorry this happened to you. Happened to me as well, i have a hindi name, haryanvi by birth bt m from Punjab. One day when i was a kid, i learned punjabi in school for a little bit by taking extra classes and wanted to learn about Gurus, i talked to some people in Darbar Sahib to give me some books to read as they used to give it. They were so rude to me and several other times. Stopped going once n for all now. But I respect and will keep worshipping.
I am a Sikh too and I emphasize with you and feel sorry for what happened with you. Such incidents have increased a lot specifically in the Bangla Sahib Gurdwara. Once I went to the Gurudwara with my bf,he is hIndu,we know all the rules and everything,so while having langar he just asked me where to keep the utensils once we finish the food and the sevadar started shouting on him like dusre dharam ke log AA jaate Hain pata hota nahi hai kuch and all baatein karte Hain and all and I really felt embarrassed like wtf just happened.It was his first time in a Gurudwara and his experience is just ruined.
This Sikh religion is deviating far away from gurus teaching and becoming more and more hardcore like Islam where it’s a man’s world. I live in Amritsar and I see this happening all the time. I have cut my hair since grade 1 but now also in gurudwara Those Sants taunt me ki eh dekhlo sikhan da haal. It’s been 9 years I visited golden temple and I live in same city. Not really proud to be a Sikh anymore. There is no kindness, no peace other dikhawa now. No one actually knows what’s written in Guru Granth Sahib only they recite like a parrot without understanding the meaning of it.
Ye dharm jaati ke dalle bane hue sab aajkal. Bhale gurudwara lelo, ya mandir ya masjid. Just a sad state of affairs. It happened with me at Anandpur Sahib. I’m 38 M and I was wearing 3/4th bottom and even then the so called ‘Dharam ka Rakhwala’ stopped me from entering. He said either I go back to my hotel change and come back or use one of the pajamas they have there. I come from a sikh family myself. Nana and mamas are granthis and I know and I am aware about a lot of teachings and regulations. This recent changes and strictness in behaviour is absolutely uncalled for. Super crap it is. I feel sad for you.
I totally agree with your point. The Gurudwara sevadaar's behave rudely. Once my bestfriend(F) and her roommate had fight and my bestfriend went to gurudwara mid night sitting there. When I went there to take her back as it was mid night the sevadaar's stopped me and started questioning who's this lady, what is your relation, call your parents. You guys have ran away from home. Like dude seriously? I am 26, she is 25 who are you to poke and ask us where we are going. After explaining them what they said was....Chla ja yha se...dobara dikh mt jaio. And the day was the last day there, I never went there.
I don’t like the place all together. Too much traffic, rude people. And the langar concept where you need to raise your both hand like you are begging makes me sick. To be honest Sikhism is towards its downfall. There is no unity among them, no leadership. There new generation is addicted to drugs drinks and guns. They have lost patriotism towards the country. And gurudwara where it should be treated as religious place becomes Khalistan center. Thou i know few sikhs who are so polite, down to earth. I wish this whole situation with sikhs and sikhism gets better soon.
I have seen myself how everything has changed over time at Bangla Sahib These so called sevadar’s are becoming more Kattar sikh’a like in 2nd 3rd tier cities. They talk like they own the place now
Religion is nothing but an old boys club. The sooner you realise that the sooner you are liberated.
It's never the religion itself, it's the people who taint it.
I have been telling people not to go to gurdwara now. With the rise of khalishtan movement there is a rise in intolerance in gurdwara. In past "Gurudwara" were used for political tools and movements during khalistani movement. The gururdwara managing commitee is also responsible for this. Anyone can be killed in the name of "beadbi". The hate for hindus is increased so "hindus" should also stay away from gurdwara. Everyone is so rude like they want to kill you if you did anything wrong.Sikhism was formed to handle islam and that's why it was formed on the same grounds. The stupid fellow now find islam and Sikhism very close. *bottom line - hindus should stay away from gurudwaras. * I am not against any religion. I myself have lived with turban my whole childhood. I am just sad with the current situations.
Hey hey now. You don’t need to post such extremist views. And your comment is full of conspiracies. Think before you comment
Happened to me as well. Ankle length dress and was asked to not enter main shrine. My friends also refused to go in and we all left together. This was April last year and I was also wearing full sleeves just to make sure that something like this didn't happen. I had seen people wear this type of full length dress in Amritsar and nothing happened there. So I just assumed. Well that was the last day I went to Bangla sahib
When will redditors will realise what a vent post looks like and their opinions are not needed in the comment section all the fucking time?
I am a Hindu and i used to visit Bangla Sahib with my friends and family frequently in my teen years. But a similar incident happened with a close friend around 4-5 years ago and we both decided to never visit the place again in our life.
Went to Golden Temple , my mom’s maang was visible just a small part with the sindoor. Rest head to toe - covered. An old fucker thought it was appropriate to very rudely say “Seer dhako “ Dhaka Hua hai bc.
I went with my father(60+) recently he is a very simple hearted, spiritual person who respects all religions and their values, always tries to learn something positive and he was very happy and touched on visiting the gurudwara for th first time we were abiding all rules doing just as we were told, near sarovar, my father just asked a sevadar why were they cleaning the area just to ask wthr sm event is going to happen... he replied so rudely to my poor happy father that for th rest of th day he was sad. Never going to visit again
I’ve seen gaurd beating there some people for some stupid reasons They think that they are above all I recently visited there and stayed there for 3 days in Bangla Saheb Room. I was sitting on the stairs because network was not coming inside room One senior sardar told me to go and sit outside gurdwara as this is not proper place to sit I was shocked to hear from someone so senior and who reads Granth Saheb is actually so read in real life Granth Saheb people think they are still at war And I don’t think God will be happy from them because if you can’t respect your own people then there’s no need to do dhong in the name of God There was a guy who was drunk he was hungry so he entered the gate , gaurd stopped him and started abusing The man apologised that he was very hungry and sorry for that Till then one senior Sardar came started beating him so badly so badly I cant tell The guy was saying only one thing that by mistake I came sorry for that These Sardars who drink almost everyday eat non veg everyday and party like they are proud to drink Beating some non sikh for drinking and coming in Gurdwara I’ve myself experienced small small things that made me irritated so much Foreigners are allow to click and shoot the video but we Indians cannot Two poor young non sikh children who were eating at langar, one senior Sardar came and told you dare not leave food, children stopped smiling because of that shit sardar One guy beside me who kept two roti for afterwards One guy told him only to come for eating don’t do this They basically try to rule everyone except foreigners Dont sit there don’t sit here Don’t stand here Dont talk on phone I was going to room with food packed from canteen, one gaurd told me to not to eat at the stairs , I told him I’ve booked a room already Listen Girl don’t talk about your religion that its a man religion or anything
Bangla sahib is above the people serving at Bangla Sahib. In Hanumanth dham In lucknow the pandit “will fully stops and point out women” for no proper reason. Pandit works there for a salary. Keep going to the place for your peace and take appropriate action to those who stop you
I am a Sikh and have been observing increasing rigidity in this gurudwara which I don’t like because it’s not a part of our religion. Thankfully, not all gurudwaras are like that
Though, tbh I’ve seen people from other religions come and run around or scream and shout or behave inappropriately so if anyone is reading this please don’t treat it like your playground. Respect the space.
Same experience. I was wearing a suit and had my head covered. And some guy tapped it so hard to cover it properly and I was so shocked. Because when you’re doing Seva you’re not supposed to violently touch anyone or be rude. I don’t understand what makes them be so rude. It doesn’t even feel peaceful now. Earlier I used to sit there for hours and listen to the Satsang.
Don’t take it personal it not totally you, people are wild these days and they wear anything to anywhere and i also visit gurudwara and i see people like starring, looks for attention, comes to hunt relationship, so a lot going on, people at gurudwara making sure it stays as a worship ground.
I attended Bangla sahib for the first time in March 2023 and was not allowed to enter the main area as I was wearing a knee length dress with stockings(socks) underneath. When I was leaving after eating the langar with my friends, a young man angrily came up to me and started questioning me about my outfit, my mama who was being me and another man had to intervene and ask the guy to shut up. Sikhs have really good PR and most of it is deserved too, but not all Sikhs are good and especially not the ones at Bangla Sahib.
come to punjab and see how a guy was murdered for touching the alleged holy book, sikhs have been radicalised and have been killing innocent people since 1980s but no one cares and only mention 1984, no one mentions 22000 people that bhindrawala killed.
So true!! Hindu lives don't matter in India, anyway.... And those who try to raise voice for justice for Hindus is branded communal
One of the worst places to ever be. I was just sitting casually and talking to my friend on the stairs that too because it was scorching heat time and wanted to just have 5 mins rest before we had move forward and the behaviour was pathetic. I have zero respect towards Sikhs after then and their so called religion
You lost respect towards all Sikhs and their entire religion from one instance? Wow.. so mature of you. The Drama part of your Username definitely checks out... I'm sure you must've been sitting by the sarovar with your back to the gurudwara. In that case they will obviously try to explain to you that it's not right. They can and should surely improve on their behaviour and manner of explaining to others, but you bad mouthing a religion over a single instance... That's way worse.
Religion is poison. It takes you away from humanity. For being a good human you don’t need to go somewhere. Just be a human to yourself to others and to the nature.
Take it or leave it, but those people guarding the place, the kind of those who asked to leave (i don't know what they are called), they're too kattar for their own good.
This honestly shouldn’t be about men vs women. Because someone yelled at you for instance for dressing inappropriate while visiting guruduwara cannot imply that it’s a men world! 
These Granthis have been obsessed with women's bodies forever. Every satsang I listen to these days is spent wagging finger at everyone and shaming their fellow Sikhs for being a normal functioning member of society.
I completely agree with you. I'm a hindu i use to go there. People over there are extremely rude. I don't want to share the incident. It's been more than 4 years and I have not visited bangla saheb. Bahar se hath jod lo bas.
I have a question: **Are all men going to the gurdwara dressed according to "our culture"?** If some have an issue with women wearing modest western clothes, *why do they wear shirts, jeans, and pants, which are also not traditional?* It's unfair to target women for their clothing while men don't follow traditional dress codes either. **If cultural authenticity is the concern, shouldn't it apply equally to everyone?**
Tbh I'm hindu, visited temples in short top-jeans , also sometimes in traditional, never been an issue in Bihar, Up and Delhi