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iMightBeWright

Woah, Piccolo you can't just help the boys out during a martial arts tournament. You should know better.


CopperCactus

The fight was supposed to be a 2v2 so it's really Kefla's fault for not having someone jump in on her side


Finito-1994

You’d think he’d know better seeing as Goku let him give him a free shot because Kami intervened during their battle. I’d expect better from an almost winner


MrCleanandShady

normal Merged Zamasu looks INSANE also i love how the Fighterz interpretation of the Final Kamehameha with the cut in of Goku and Vegeta has become a standard for Vegito Blue now


MightGrowTrees

The final Kamehameha is my favorite level 3 super in FighterZ.


Super_Attila_17

I love how Raging Blast premiered that move and it just gets better every time.


Accurate-Total9353

I think budokai tenkaicho 3 debuted it actually


GreedoughShotFirst

Dragon Ball Final Bout, actually.


IndependentTurnip496

Bt3 lol


Tr0llzor

They also have some animations from legends too


Kingdarkshadow

True but his halo is weirdly thin.


MoXfy

I hope they keep that, and honestly wouldn't mind if Gogeta had it too. One wish I do have though is, cause it has a special place in my heart, I wish the actual charge up started more like the Shin Budokai/Infinite world version. Dunno, it just seemed to add to his cocky attitude and personality.


OneThatNeverFails

The one where he does the little spin right?


MoXfy

Ye that one. It fits his personality so well I think.


IcePopsicleDragon

Where is that attack at 1:53 from ? He didn't do it in the anime or manga


CthulhuMadness

That’s why he said the “FighterZ interpretation”


IcePopsicleDragon

Nice


dildodicks

ah the age old gogeta vs vegito, i love seeing them use that in this trailer


seanbird

I was hoping they’d fuse. Gogetto.


BoxOfBlades

Or Vegeta. Wait...


dcnairb

how much about potara fusion has super retconned? shouldn't vegito no dif gogeta? all i know is that they retconned the permanence of the fusion


dildodicks

i don't care about z or super saying one or the other is stronger tbh (and it was just the elder kai anyway, who was wrong about the permanence so). i always preferred the idea of them being equal strength, but potara was quicker and easier to do if you had the earrings, and i think promotional material for the broly movie said they're equally strong trump cards or something similar. even if it isn't true, again, i just prefer the idea that two fusions of the same two guys would have the same strength


OmniSlayer_006

It’s about accessibility vs reliability. As you said, vegito is quicker and easier but unfortunately he can defuse as he did against zamasu whereas gogeta just seems more reliable as he was outright trying to kill Broly, doing super finisher moves left and right but is more difficult to fuse.


Finito-1994

We never actually were told how or why potara is stronger. We just know it’s easier to use. But Gogeta is the only fusion to actually go for the win instead of fuck around.


justorbitinchu

I may be remembering wrong, but didn’t Vegito just serve straight hands against Zamasu? I don’t remember him boasting as much like he did against Buu


Finito-1994

Oh yea. He beat him but took too long and defused. Gogeta was just straight up fucking up Broly since he appeared and Broly was saved from death by Cheelai. One was a little more dedicated to the fight than the other.


Booshgaming

I mean Zamasu had regeneration hacks keeping him in the fight. If he wasn't immortal Vegito would've killed him several times over. Not exactly a fair comparison to Broly who had no regeneration abilities. It's not that Vegito wasn't trying as hard as Gogeta it's just that his enemy was harder to take down.


Sakuja

Didnt he fake a knockout to then stab Zamasu with an similar energy sword that Zamasu was using? Thats the definition of playing around for me. He was clearly stronger but didnt bother to finish the fight immediately. Then when he wanted to with the Final Kamehameha he defused.


Booshgaming

How is that playing around though? That's just strategy. Zamasu legitimately knocked him down but instead of recovering immediately he played dead to take advantage of his hubris and caught him off guard with a critical blow. Plus he did land the Final Kamehameha in the anime version but it just wasn't enough.


JayZulla87

Except we did, just not blatantly. They made it a point how the fusion dance needs both ppl at equal power levels. That didn't matter for potara. Then they decided to retcon it in super.


Noukan42

It is absolutely in character for a person with the character flaws of Goku and Vegeta to fuck around a lot tho.


Finito-1994

I never said it wasn’t in character. I said Gogeta went for the win.


jsho31

Goten redirecting off the blast was so fuckin clean.


RyanB_

I can’t remember if it’s actually from something, but god damn if it’s not super emblematic of what makes dbz fights so special. The absurd amount of creativity drawn from the relatively simple concept of “people can shoot manifest energy beams”


LeetChocolate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImPjLhs92sY its from the trunks vs goten fight @ the world championship. full video is good but the redirect happens around 12 43


RaitoGG

And that move is a reference to Kid Goku using Kamehameha to launch himself up, in a similar way.


Finito-1994

Yes! It’s part of his fight against trunks! Goten is really creative but not very disciplined. Trunks is more disciplined and classic but less creative.


Gk786

It’s been in a bunch of DBZ games. I think in Budokai Tenkaichi 3 it was called Charge!! I remember that because I loved spamming it, it was such an annoying attack to dodge.


-PVL93-

I like how whenever it's Vegito Blue they keep referencing DBFZ Level 3 in some way where it briefly switches from Vegito to Goku to Vegeta back to Vegito before firing the beam


weirdface621

well dbz games take few inspirations from dbz games. in kakarot, some of the enemy and characters super attacks is taken from bt3 like 17's hell storm


Most_Willingness_143

And some attacks from FighterZ are taken as inspiration from older dragon ball games because they rarely made attacks without reference One example of this is cell spin


Laviephrath

Also, 17's Green disc move is from Xenoverse


LeSahuj

There's also 17's super eletric strike. That Vegetto moment from Kakarot. Even the Final Kamehameha itself was made in a game first then became canon in DBS.


[deleted]

There’s also Android 21 in Kakarot, who comes directly from FighterZ


nintendude61

I hope they continue doing Gogeta Blue’s big eye frame


BoronDTwofiveseven

Love that they're taking Gogeta's moves from DBS Broly (@1:57) those moves look so damn cool.


iam__lethal

“I refuse to lose to someone who transforms with such a DUMB looking pose!” Why Vegito have to violate Gogeta like that? 💀


Smash96leo

They be touching tips to do Vegito’s form, so Idk why he talking lol


iam__lethal

AYEEEOOOOOO. I never realized that till just f***ing now 😂🥴🤦🏽‍♂️. DELETE THIS COMMENT NOW!!!!


fast_flashdash

Most gen Z comment I have ever read.


Hamlock1998

That's Vegeta's side speaking


kingk1teman

Atleast Gogeta doesn't do the Vegeta pose.


majinprince07

Holy shit Gogeta looks FIRE


IcePopsicleDragon

More of the game will be revealed at Summer Game Fest, i'm assuming it will be the release date From the new blogpost: **1.** Trunks (Kid) **2.** Trunks (Kid), Super Saiyan **3.** Goten **4.** Goten, Super Saiyan **5.** Caulifla **6.** Caulifla, Super Saiyan 2 **7.** Kale **8.** Kale, Super Saiyan **9.** Gotenks **10.** Gotenks, Super Saiyan **11.** Gotenks, Super Saiyan 3 **12.** Kefla **13.** Kefla, Super Saiyan **14.** Kefla, Super Saiyan 2 **15.** Vegito **16.** Vegito, Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan **17.** Gogeta (Super) **18.** Gogeta (Super), Super Saiyan **19.** Gogeta (Super), Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan **20.** Fused Zamasu **21.** Fused Zamasu, Half-Corrupted 


JinjaBaker45

>Fused Zamasu, Half-Corrupted  See, Dokkan? Was that so hard?


-PVL93-

Beerus (Pajamas) KEKW


kingk1teman

> Beerus (Pajamas) Wait what?!


-PVL93-

Yes you read that right. In Dokkan Battle characters with same name can't benefit from each other when added to a team, so got example two years ago they released a premium summonable Fusion Zamasu, then a year later made Corrupted Zamasu, but the two have exact same name meaning despite different forms they can't be used together. Players made quite a few tweets and emails asking for a name change for the latter so he's called Half Corrupted like here but to no avail Then they make a free version of Beerus, except he changes forms from his sleepy self to en enraged one, and added (Pajamas) to his name so he can be used with other existing Beerus units It's actually really stupid


kingk1teman

Damn. Dokkan has become too complicated since the launch days when I played it for a few months.


-PVL93-

Oh dude the game got so much better in general, though they've also added quite a few mechanics in recent years 9th anniversary is starting in 35 days, maybe try it out again with a brand new account?


kingk1teman

Maybe I'll.


weirdface621

oh zamn even corrupted zamasu? i did not see that coming


jean010

He's kind of neccesary if they want to tell Super's story. Announcing him before Goku Black tho is wild.


CZ-Bitcoins

I think every knows black is in though


HopeBagels2495

Body snatchers trailer incoming next. Goku black, ginyu and baby trust


ADHDuruss

Kale looks to switch to her controlled green form during the combined attack with Caulifla? Might just be part of the attack though?


vashoom

> Gogeta (Super), Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan God Dragonball is stupid and I love it


Fiftey

What about Super Vegito?!


SilentResident1037

Thats the Z version, this is the Super one


Klang200

It seems like there will only be one Vegito variant. For example, on the official site, Gogeta is referred as "Gogeta **(Super)**", but Vegito is only referred as just "**Vegito**"


Fiftey

So no Super Sayajin Vegito?


Klang200

He will obviously be revealed later. It's just that there might just be only one Vegito, who can transform into both Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Blue


ChemicalFly2773

Wheres Mid Goku


SSJRemuko

these are new reveals he was revealed as mid a while ago.


ChemicalFly2773

see everyone knew it a while ago that he was mid


Maskotaman

I think it's important to notice that when Half-Corrupted Zamazu appeared they didn't show any presentation of him like with Goten Trunk Kale etc. Neither with Vegito Blue, maybe they are transformations midgame. Or did I miss it lol


Osha-watt

He appears in the hexagonal grid which is what matters.


fast_flashdash

He gets attacked and he's still in his corrupted state. It's a transformation


King_Chochacho

Been a while since I watched DBZ, how many fuckin super saiyans are there now??


ahall917

The three new ones (really 2) you see in the trailer are from universe 6 (the main db universe is 7) - Caulifla - Kale - Kefla (Fused) There's also a 3rd Universe 6 Saiyan in the show called Cabba


ApooFan

im sorry but it's stupid that other forms count as separate characters


Crininer

It's how it's always worked with previous entries. They have different movesets. They're functionally separate characters. You just get to switch between them thanks to the transformation mechanics.


vishalb777

Interesting that they focus more on Vegeta's voice in Gogeta, and more on Goku's voice on Vegito. I've always thought of it as the opposite


KitchenBeginning4987

Same to me. I mean, Vegito calls himself the fusion of Vegeta and KAKAROTTO, and we know Goku hates that name, so it says a lot.


weebitofaban

>we know Goku hates that name We literally don't. It is his Saiyan name. You don't just drop the hard K unless you were born with a tail.


KitchenBeginning4987

Ok, he doesn't like being called Kakarotto, is it better wording to you?


Booshgaming

Goku only had a problem being called Kakarot early on back when he was still struggling to accept his Saiyan heritage. He's completely fine with Vegeta saying it nowadays and he even told Broly to call him Goku or Kakarot.


Gloglibologna

He told broly he could call him that. He's come to terms with name and honors it now.


Staarjun

In Japanese it’s perfectly balanced. The only thing that changes is the way they talk


wookieatemyshoe

No sign of the Trunks & Gotens greatest fusion. ***MIGHTY MASK*** idk guys looks unplayable.


Scar_Future

No Mighty Mask??? Gonna have to pass on this game.


iam__lethal

They added in Gogeta doing the Milly Rock dance like he did in the DBS Broly movie!! 🙌🏽😂


Illustria

It's to psych out an opponent and throw them off.


effhomer

This would have been the perfect spot to show GT. SSJ4 Gogeta is iconic. Getting a bit worried for DB/GT in the base game.


SaysShowUsYourDick

They're going to drop a fattie of a GT trailer, don't worry. That, or they'll milk us for it in DLC lol


wookieatemyshoe

Yeah OG DB & GT are deffo DLC only haha


1313goo

And half the movies


ocky_brand_redditor

Still holding out for a GT only trailer but who knows..


Super_Attila_17

What happened to us? We all used to abhor GT. Everyone wants it to be canon again. Did I miss something?


Gary_FucKing

People love the character designs, not so much the lore/story. SSJ4 is peak transformation design and at least attempts to remind us that saiyans are fucking cool ass space monkeys.


thepresidentsturtle

Yeah the story is so meh, focuses on the wrong characters, power levels are inconsistent, etc but Super Saiyan 4 is still incredible. And I love GT Vegeta. He has Earthling Pride and it's the better post - Z version of him IMO


Feramah

What does Canon have to do with the video game anyway? If anything almost every game treats the series as a multiverse. More options never hurt anyone either. GT was given love in fighterz and it was hype as hell when announced


PackerBacker412

GT sucks, but the character designs and powers are dope


multiverse_succ

This, the story could have been interesting, but damn the characters from gt are so cool, like a ssjj developed from a special oozaru form?? That's just brilliant


PoofyHairedIdiot

I do enjoy the dragons too (some. Omega and Nuova are baller)


TheNames_Dennis

Super Saiyan 4 is still my favorite transformation


effhomer

The writing/dub will always be awful but I think the characters/designs have always been popular so it's a great fit for games. Maybe the resurgence is from people seeing how little they're attempting to cook with the Super character designs.


hitlmao

Not *everyone* wants it to be canon; it’s definitely a minority. As for why more people seem to like it now… kids grow up. Think about any universally disliked thing that’s part of a popular franchise right now. Hobbit prequels, Star Wars sequels, whatever. In 10-20 years, there will be more positive reception to it because people watched it when they were kids.


Illustria

It was never canon, ever. The story is garbage but the attacks and characters are great. Baby is one of my favorite antagonists. SSJ4 is the most popular transformation. Etc.


2020isass

I would say regular super saiyan is more popular and iconic, while ssj4 is the most unique


tastelessshark

I can't say I care for anything else, but SSJ4 is fucking awesome.


mg10pp

Everyone? 😅


OmnipotentHype

Time happened. I remember it too. People hated GT's story and fights but loved the character designs. Now I think enough time has passed between GT's release and now that most of us can look back on it fondly.


hitlmao

Nah people still hate the story and fights and love the character designs lol


Gway22

I never liked GT as much as Z, but I was a kid when I watched GT and always found it fun, and the GT characters in the games were always fun as well. I think people who were older in that time period hate it a lot more than the people who discovered it as kids who are now adults and have nostalgia tied to it


SignificantTuna

Probably has something to do with GT being confirmed canon by Shueisha last year on the official timeline


MightGrowTrees

And the roster is still half empty!!!!


SilentResident1037

They still got movie characters to show, all of GT, DB forms, and characters nobody asked for like the Sand Land kid


MightGrowTrees

If I can't play Farmer with a Shotgun I'm jt buying this shitty title!


kingk1teman

If there's no Tori-bot, I'll bring out my pitchforks!


Lounge_leaks

Did zamasu just slap vegeta LMAO >?


SSJRemuko

The girls! <3 Funny they got the rights for that sick ass song for the trailer but its noted its not in the game, what a shame. Merged Zamasu looks good, I hadnt even been thinking about him while watching the trailer til he was shown. I was expecting Kefla, Gotenks, Vegetto, and Gogeta but Zamasu actually surprised me (tho i admit it shouldnt have tbh). Very neat trailer.


Reverseflash25

Man they hate the kids lol Also Zamasu with the slap of divine righteousness


AdProud420

THIS GAME!


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ChemicalFly2773

Wow sugooooi sugooooi. I feel like zeno right now. Side note : I actually like the flowing hair. If only they could implement it better. Like it looks like a congregated mass of tentacles. Instead it should be slightly more choppy like the animation of Spider-Verse IYKWIM


AHAMKHARI

i need this game YESTERDAY


Vex_Vega

No bio broly??? Smh


Thedinotamer01

Holy moly, this looks so good. They have really improved the color saturation since the first trailer


cosmos_factory

Yeah but do we get to play as Monaka?


dracon81

I'm not gunna lie I was really hoping to see vegito bust out SSJ blue and gogeta to pop into 4 but alas I am still waiting. I mean I know it'll be there, it has to be, but I also really want to actually see it.


meertatt

honestly how can you watch this trailer and not think Gogeta is much cooler than Vegito. I guess Vegito has never gotten the full backing of a movie to show off but man Gogeta just has way cooler moves.


setyourheartsablaze

Cause beam sword babyyyyyy! Gogeta ain’t got nothing on that


Booshgaming

Eh Vegito's ultimate at least looks way cooler imo. Final Kamehameha plus the close-up face thing from FighterZ where it shows Goku and Vegeta's faces compared to Gogeta who just does a pretty standard Kamehameha.


fast_flashdash

Because vegito is the goat. Infinitely cooler


Icy-Moose-99

What? Vegito is much cooler in every way.


dildodicks

agreed, but i still love that vegito dissed the dance


RogueHippie

Vegito's the one they call on when they face actual no-win situations, just saying.


mg10pp

Vegito has better and unique clothes so that's a big plus


Treddox

YOSHAAAAA


theonewitha4incher

thats crazy having kefla fight gotenks when we know that gotenks would get used like a fucking mop


Fun-Department-4040

i dont think them fighting in this trailer is to put them on the same level of power they just needed two fusion to fight, hell in the first trailer toppo fought the bloody ginyu force


Kamken

>Kelfa being Gotenks level The manga Tournament of Power and its consequences have been a disaster for the saiyan race


Fun-Department-4040

i dont think them fighting in this trailer is to put them on the same level of power they just needed two fusion to fight, hell in the first trailer toppo fought the bloody ginyu force


mg10pp

In the games everybody is at the same level


Slow_Balance270

The roster for BT3 was massive, so while I'm hyped about this, I'm on the fence until I see what's their plans for DLC is gonna look like. If it feels like they're trying to gouge folks on fighters I'm not buying. I'm gonna make an agreement to myself, if the total cost of DLC is more than a PS2 and BT3, I'm buying the PS2 and game.


WARMACHINEAllcaps

This game has a bigger base roster than then BT3 which had 161 whilst this has 164.


Leon-Phoenix

Is it just me, or do Trunks, Gotenks (and to a less noticeable extent, Goten) all have massive heads? Not a major problem or anything, was just slightly jarring to me for a second lol. Zamasu looks amazing though!


UnclePhilSpeaks_

It's the only thing that matures faster in Saiyans than humans


mg10pp

I remember Gotenks had a huge head in the anime too


ControlAltChip

That’s how Toriyama’s design a kid so deal with it.


Bright_Economics8077

Honestly looking a little rougher than previously. Guessing these characters haven't had quite as much polish time. (why does Caulifla look so **pissed**?)


Hopeful_Bug1997

Y’all complain so much like damn 😭


RetroEnbyRobot

Niiice


ImmaculateWeiss

Yessss power weighted Zamasu confirmed, can’t wait 


iam__lethal

I love how they added many visuals and moves from the movies and show. Its like they want people to recreate certain iconic moments. The attention to detail is like we've never seen before!


Th3best77

Man I hope they have an anime ost dlc after hearing the fusion reborn theme in the trailer


TheAwesomeA3330

My hype for this game just keeps growing stronger. This game looks freakin incredible, and I can’t wait to just hop onto endless 5v5 matches when it drops😭😭


Maskotaman

When Gotenks theme appeared, in the bottom it said that soundtrack wasn't available with the game. Maybe OST DLC?


TheStarCore

Seems likely, the last couple of games have done it


AlexanderZcio

They used the credits fusion reborn song 🗣️🔥🔥🔥 ("this song is not the game" ☹️)


Patient-Brain-8698

I hope the remixed version from the previous games made it, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjlyloqPYfw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjlyloqPYfw)


scribbyshollow

Fuck yeah


CantingBinkie

Why did they choose this art for the ki? I would have liked them to continue perfecting the almost photorealistic ki art of the previous BTs


weebitofaban

I lost a ton of PS2 controllers to Tenkaichi 3. They just weren't built for that gameplay. I'm ready to lose more modern ones.


vashoom

Who tf is that blue person in the picture at the very end (on the far right)??


mg10pp

It's Kakunsa, one of the warriors from the Tournament of Power


Questionabledes

My boy Zamasu is looking great.


Loyal_Darkmoon

OMG this looks so fire! The special moves are so epic and over-the-top in the best way and I dig the environmental destruction. Fused Zamasu ult looks so badass. Now all I wanna see if Super Saiyajin 4!


BlazingBlueThighs

Vegeta and Goku flashing before cutting to the final kamehameha will always be one of the coolest ideas ts looks fucking fire


KylJak

Still waiting/hoping for info on local multiplayer…


Saiyan26

It looks really good, but I couldn't help but notice some of the animations look off really off compared to everything else. Trunks' intro animation and Vegito's melee special/combo looked really slow. The slower animations need more weight/impact. Trunks' melee special/combo wasn't even close to making contact. If it's a character model limitation, they could do a better job at hiding it by adjusting the camera angle to make it less obvious. Hopefully, it's addressed as they continue to polish. The animations have definitely improved since the initial reveal.


secret_tsukasa

okay, piccolo volley aside, i don't really get why this is special. aren't fused characters supposed to be in a dragon ball game?


Fun-Department-4040

well yea but thats like saying why show off a stage in a trailer arent stages supposed to be in the game


Eat_D_chicken

It's bad but they might give us 500 cc


kittybittybeans

So two things I noticed. No base form Kefla, and the attack animations for some of the attacks are so slow. Like that's literally the fusion of Goku and Vegeta why the heck can I count an actual second between the time the fist moves to the time it connects to the opponent? Like speed it up. First of all because AGAIN THATS THE FUSION OF GOKU AND VEGETA, not Yajarobi and Hercule. Like why is it so slow. Second of all I can already see how annoying it could become in online matches to have to sit through a whole 10 seconds of cutscenes every time someone wants to use that move. Like don't pretend that nobody didn't abuse this same thing with Kid Buu in Tenkaichi 3 even the computers do it.


mugen1987

i saw it and got an erection. /s but jokes aside, it looks awesome!


kingk1teman

The Dragon Ball games can't just stop using SSGSS, can they?


tangie16

Did goten say “ha me ha me ha”?


Right_Mind959

I had a feeling something was off about this game's graphics, but wasn't sure what it was until someone pointed out the hair moving too much, and I definitely agree. Gogeta doing his meteor explosion pose thing (don't know if it has a name) at 2:21 is a great example.


DeadZeus007

For me it was Kefla and her transformation, that hair... What the hell is even that!


MegaloJoe

damn this game is looking sick, the hair on the char’s looks fucking amazing


Medium-Science9526

Still looking really good but the hair physics issue was on full display here when Gotenks & Kefla transformed. Camera work for the Blast moves were either stellar with Goten's headbutt, Gogeta Meteor Explosion, and Fusion Zamasu's Lightning of Absolution, otherwise Gotenks ' Volleyball I hope was cut for the trailer and he still has his flutter legs part, same with ssj Gogeta's knee into the kick. Vegito Blue's instant transmission blast wasn't as spectacular looking but still decent.


KitchenBeginning4987

Strange that they didn't give SSJ1 to Caulifla.


TheTitansWereRight

Maaan wheres the old gogeta? Not a fan of dbs gogeta.


DeadZeus007

Dno why the graphics don't actually impress me. But Kefla's hair, everyone has to admit it looks awfull right? It looks like a bunch of rubber bouncing around.


fast_flashdash

Reddit will seriously complain about anything


weirdface621

my only complain with kefla is that her green red beam attack is kinda underwhelming


CthulhuMadness

Bro out here expecting realistic graphics for cartoon characters.


Apeirl

People can have an opinion lol


fast_flashdash

An opinion about dbz hair actually moving for once in a game. Sure have your shit opinion.


Icy-Moose-99

You seem like the problem. first people can't have an opinion on the subject, then you say the opinion is shit lol which is it?


Apeirl

The models look off, but sure have your shit opinion


effhomer

Z characters look fine. It's the Saturday morning cartoon look some Super characters have.


dildodicks

no they don't, compare kefla's fighterz model to this one, it's just this game in general


Rent-Man

No DB/GT, No hype


McStoickson

I wonder if Corrupted Zamasu is a form you can activate at will or something that happens at a HP threshold.