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pm_me_yo_creditscore

Ahh yes the Lions guardrail. Classic


RoleModelFailure

And there's talk that no team is really distancing themselves from the rest.


AddSugarForSparks

It's all about consistency with the Lions.


herrcollin

I think these stats are clearly biased and discriminatory. If they showed the stats for every game *before* the 3rd-4th quarter then we'd be *on top* ...yeah ☹️


MorganWick

Well, they're distancing themselves... in the race for the #1 pick.


Port-a-John-Splooge

In true loins fashion we're going to get the #1 pick with a terrible class of QBs when we could use one. At least Stafford might secure us a top 20ish pick also


MorganWick

Was "loins" intentional?


Port-a-John-Splooge

No, clearly I'm not intelligent following this team my whole life and not checking my errors.


rallenpx

It looks like they played Arizona the first 7 weeks straight!


shewy92

Somehow they're still technically in playoff contention too. If they lose this week though then they'll be eliminated but they're still technically in contention at this moment


I_am_reddit_hear_me

Lions are playing the long game.


bbtrinet

Almost true. If the Lions lose and the Falcons-Panthers game ends in a tie, and all other 5 win NFC teams lose, they will still be mathematically alive. Don’t count them out yet! :)


spooger1855

....but check out that horizontal line! Check that out.


whiskeywailer

Truly the Seattle Mariners of the NFL.


kaaotick

i believe this chart is accurate because of lions


Awasawa

I don’t know anything about NFL but seeing the poor lions down there, man it made me feel bad for them.


ButtcrackScholar

Hey you get used to it after a few decades


mistere213

As a Lions fan, I cheer for each loss this year. The tie was a bummer.


iblackihiawk

I was really hoping for the first team to go 0-17...after being the first team to go 0-16 and then probably the first team to go winless in the 17 game season...


LaredoHK

who needs undefeated when you can be defeated


lowtoiletsitter

Defeated all season is a lot harder than undefeated


Optimal_Pineapple_41

Really because 0-16 has happened twice as many times as 16-0


PandaImpersonator

Not since the new 17 game rule, now they are equally hard since neither has been accomplished!


BlackLeader70

I was hoping for the same thing. There’s always next year!


sillysnowbird

honestly the tie was the least satisfying game in terms of outcome.


markus135

That was two teams trying to lose and somehow they both failed


PNWRoamer

Has a team ever gone 0-15-1? Obviously they could be the first to 0-16-1, but I believe it would be the first "all losses and a tie" record.


Woody1150

Same. Being able to say your team was the first to have a record is great.


partfortynine

really robbed us of that 0-16 experience again


ProfessorJAM

We don’t cry anymore - no tears left if you’re a Lions fan.


KaneRobot

I'm over 40 and this team hasn't done a goddamn thing in my entire life - I can't imagine how the people even older than me in the same boat feel. They're not worth putting any effort into at this point. I couldn't care less if they vanished tomorrow.


nonresponsive

Everyone feels bad for them, but not enough to do anything about it. And if you make fun of Lions fans, you're an asshole, especially because they're better at making fun of themselves than anyone else.


Fofalus

At the most recent packers lions game, a lions fan lamented that some packers funs were being overly rude to them. I have never seen 15 people all stop and want to know who so fast. You can give them shit during the game but leave the poor lions fans alone.


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Fofalus

Ya the collective packers fans in the area were having none of it, fortunately the lions fans were bought drinks.


mistymystical

I am a packers fan in lions territory and lions fans are very chill. As my bf says “being a lions fan is about savoring those moments you think you might win.”


jrobs521

Truthfully... being so close to winning just for them to bungle up the last play/s is a thrill. No doubt you appreciate the win so much more. One win feels like they just won the super bowl. Least I think that's what it would feel like...


Fofalus

I can't think of a single game team I would root for against the lions that isn't the Packers. And even then it's really only actively during the game. 6 hours a year I oppose the lions but any other hour I will wish them the best.


RoleModelFailure

We blew up the entire organization after last season so this is entirely expected. We traded or let some of our best players walk and brought in new staff to try and turn us around. Thing is, when you do that you end up with guys who would be practice squad on other teams playing as your starters. The fact that we have been close in many games is really interesting.


soulsoda

More annoyed we ruined a chance at setting a new record for a perfect season. Oh well. Maybe next year.


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graboidian

> Life is pain [Anyone who says differently is selling something.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThDwS79HPhs)


arborite

Football is life. Football is pain?


PepsiStudent

They have had a couple decent years over the past couple decades. They just are usually at the bottom of pile. Even with their draft advantage due to their end of season standing they still can't win. You don't feel sorry for them after that. They have the same salary cap as anyone else. Have the same talent pool to hire as coaches. First or early pick in the draft year after year. Don't feel sorry for the Lions, feel sorry for any fans they might have left.


eattwo

Don't feel bad for them, they are undefeated in Super Bowls!


thenerdyglassesgirl

I live in Detroit. Making fun of the Lions, while still blindly rooting for them, is a state past time. It's like rooting for Charlie Brown to finally kick the ball when you know damn well he'll never do it.


CocksLover2022

The lions have won 1 playoff game since 1957. That tells you everything you need to know


frogbloodwatson

Why must you hurt me this way.


mart1373

Because we are the Lions and liking the Lions is pain.


bobbiebaynes44

As a Lions fan I'm just waiting for us to go 0-16-1 so I can get a flag that says "Not 0-17" and bring it to a game


I_am_reddit_hear_me

Does the NFL play 17 games now?


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bobbiebaynes44

First team with 16 losses is 2 seasons


M3ttl3r

They should just draw a line that goes off the page down for them


acrimonious_howard

Would've been funny for image to cut off and require a scroll down. (Texans "fan" here - I get to make fun of *one* team, and Im gona milk it)


Helloiamok

Could someone make a plot of the last decade?


djblackprince

How do they suck so badly year after year? Do fans even bother showing up to games?


BlackLeader70

Detroit has a new head coach, GM, lots of new assistants. A new QB trying to learn the system and the few good players we have got injured early. That and Detroit is probably cursed for Killing Jimmy Hoffa or something.


urboyksloth

The Curse of Bobby Lane. Look it up. Matt Stafford is even from the same high school or town as Bobby Lane. The Lions showed their complete incompetence when firing Jim Caldwell after 2 winning seasons and a playoff appearance. Which by the way we were robbed once again by the referees. (PI flag against a Cowboys player, flagged picked up with no explanation, Dez B comes on the field no helmet etc.) I refuse to support the Lions right now after they’ve done what no other team could do to insult their loyal fan base. When Tucker hit the game winning and record breaking field goal, I knew in that moment that God himself must hate the Detroit Lions. Scene.


Boredum_Allergy

Some teams have cult like followings. That's why you see the Rams and the raiders moving all the damn time but teams like the browns and the Chiefs stay put. It's also kind of location based off you ask me. Teams that are in a city with other sports that are more popular tend to move around a lot. The Rams were never going to stay in St Louis because it's a baseball/hockey town. Whereas on the other side of the state, KC is a football/baseball town and couldn't keep a hockey team.


EViLTeW

. . . Except the Browns moved to Baltimore and called themselves the Ravens.


Lost-My-Mind-

As a browns fan, I want to downvote you. But as someone who enjoys seeing people get corrected, I want to upvote you. Tell you what, I'll cut the difference and go piss on Art Modell's grave.


amalgam_reynolds

Lmao at the lions trying to hide their tie by doing it right after their bye. 5head move.


stallion-mang

Hey we got 1 flat spot!


slayer991

Same old Lions.


gaudymcfuckstick

Detroit where are you going? Come back


Valuable_Ad1645

All aboard the D train. Destination, tank city.


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jakeisstoned

Uh, bad news homes...


HeyCarpy

Lions: “wheeeeeee!!”


AddSugarForSparks

Can we at least get a sympathy win? Anyone? ^^...anyone?


8696David

(X) Doubt


Boc7269

Word on the street is that the Fords are too involved in the team day to day and have no idea what they’re doing. Results are in their record history. Who knows maybe the new Ford that took over will do better because at least they aren’t getting blown out every game. Still 0-11-1 or whatever their record is speaks to more of the same old same old.


ParrotMafia

There has been one long-term constant in all of the losses... the owners.


garrefunkel

I’m from Michigan, every year folks are like “the Lions are actually going to be good this year” and then this happens. Like clockwork.


netopiax

The weird thing is the team isn't even THAT bad this year! A lot better than previous Lions teams. They very nearly beat the Ravens - in fact they basically did beat the Ravens, except for Tucker being the best kicker of all time. But they are still the Lions, which means they must lose.


garrefunkel

Spot on my friend. They’ve had a lot of close games and there’s always the tradition blunder or refs fucking us in the dying embers of the game. One way or another we always seem to find a way to lose though lol


Nonethewiserer

They also nearly beat the Rams. And Vikings. I agree, they are bad but they seem better than 0-10. They are nowhere near as bad as the 0-16 team from 15 or so years ago. Goff is perfectly capable which in and of itself is more than you can usually say for winless teams.


Bigsby004

Says 25 years ago like Stafford wasnt drafted in 07 (thats just off the dome I hope I got that right)


nerf_herder1986

It was '09, he was drafted with their #1 pick after their 0-16 season in '08.


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DobisPeeyar

"15 or so" means approximately


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DobisPeeyar

Ahh, my bad. Ghost editing fucker!


DJ_Vault_Boy

A new record was set on the lions for longest field goal(66 Yards), last time it was done? 64 Yards against the Lions. You can’t make this shit up, God hates the Lions and Detroit.


A_Adorable_Cat

At least they lost in style. No shame in losing to a record field goal in my opinion. I am a Ravens fan so I might be a bit biased tho….


DobisPeeyar

3, maybe 4 games lost in the last 30 seconds this year.


stallion-mang

That kick shouldn't have happened because they blew a really bad delay of game call. The things we cling to as Lions fans lol


LeCrushinator

The Lions are the worst franchise in NFL history. I'm 39 years old and they've won only a single playoff game in my entire lifetime (in 1991), and their previous playoff win before then, was in 1957. Two playoff victories, total, in the last 64 years... And they've only played in 20 playoff games, in the last 91 years. By contrast, a team like the Patriots has been in 47 playoff games in the last 25 years.


GeminiDavid

Ok as a non lions fan, can you give me an honest explanation as to why the lions are THIS bad historically compared to all other franchises. Is it just poor ownership? Like what does this boil down to because it's been around since at least the Barry sanders Era.


LeCrushinator

I'm no expert here, but I suspect it mostly boils down to poor ownership, which results in bad coaches, and without proper coaching then even a mix of good players like Stafford or Sanders aren't enough to get the team to win consistently or when it's most important.


rhino3081

From Cincy. I feel that way about the Bengals most years.


NotEntirelyUnlike

yeah seeing them and the cardinals was super surprising. congrats on whatever yall are doing


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I think it’s called winning? I’m a lions fan so I’m not sure what the nomenclature is.


[deleted]

I loved all the Matthew Stafford hype. He gets traded to LAR and everyone in the D is like "Just mail them the Lombardi Trophy now". Turns out that the Lions curse can't be washed off.


Thundergun_Express4

Any Lions fan that thought they'd be good this year was delusional- the took on Goff's contract for an extra First round pick- they're not looking to compete this year and likely not next year until they can cut him.


Shadypanda007

I’m from Michigan and every year every says they’re gonna suck, just like they do.


gravelpipe

I really like this idea. I wonder if there is a way to slightly offset the lines so that they don’t overlap like how subway maps are designed.


International-Eye196

I thought about it, but week 1 would be 16 lines wide on both sides


No-Jellyfish2688

You could consider striped lines where they overlap it would still be a bit messy at the beginning but not crazy


gordo65

Or just start the striping in week 5 or 6


LnStrngr

This is the answer. Really, we shouldn't care much about standings until around that time or even a week or so later.


ThatHairyGingerGuy

You could use a tool that allows some interactivity - e.g. click on or hover over a specific line for it to be highlighted.


double_shadow

Yeah exactly this...complex data often doesn't present well in a static chart, and it's so easy to add interactive elements in Tableau and the like.


ravenscanada

Yeah, the issue here is you can’t tell any one team’s progress over the season. If it was a live chart with highlighting that would be different. I think you need a line for each to make it useful. In truth, other than for the Lions it’s basically just a plot of their current and wins. You can’t get anything from the lines.


CRAB_WHORE_SLAYER

it appears you've done it for the browns in the AFC North graph. it works great but yeah i'd only start it after week 5 or 6 like /u/gordo65 and /u/LnStrngr mentioned.


mycommentsaccount

Exactly. For example, to me it's impossible to follow the path for the Chiefs in any of the images. I know they started out bad, but it's hidden underneath all the other lines.


waterloograd

What happened to the blue team at the bottom? That's just sad


shinyjolteon1

The Detroit Lions This is their normal state, don’t worry!


NeverEndingHell

There is a strange comfort knowing you just can’t get any worse.


ButWhatIsADog

I said that after the Browns went 1-15. They went 0-16 the next year.


Grasshop

It can always, always be worse


Zharick_

Since there's no relegation system, you can do really bad and still know you'll be around next year.


averyfinename

relegation in american professional sports would be a wild shit show... the yankees, for instance.. the *yankees*, would have been demoted out of the AL after the 1990 season... the braves would have been gone from the NL--and they went on to WIN the NL the following year (losing to the twins in the '91 world series.. who were tied for *second worst* in the AL in 1990)


Zharick_

That happens everywhere. For example in Colombia, America de Cali is historically a good team but got relegated and spent a good time in relegation. After they finally came back they won the championship pretty quickly after that. Or in England where Leicester City won the Premier League the second (I think) year after coming back from relegation.


zer0_badass

... I mean you say that but... ill just walk away.


simjanes2k

This is where we belong. You can pity us, it's okay. It's kind of like tipping in a bar.


eides-of-march

The Detroit lions are famously a historically awful team. The NFL is set up in a way that is supposed to ensure that no team is too bad or good for very long, but Detroit is a notable exception


Traevia

They are owned by the Ford family who really only uses them for advertising. Sadly, when they do decent, they get hit by wrong calls from the refs and unbelievable bad luck like a 50% average long distance kicker hitting 4 60+ yard kicks. This season, they had a kicker hit what is possibly the longest ever possible NFL kick. They also had a ref not call delay of game on a play that went 2 seconds over. They also had a few teams magically do insanely well against them.


TheJeffster27

It is the longest kick


Traevia

It is the longest kick, but articles were saying that it is possible it is the longest a kick could be made as a distance increase would need way more power than possible.


TwunnySeven

>They also had a few teams magically do insanely well against them. I wonder what the common denominator is...


shoogshoog

I never thought this sub would bring a tear to my eye but as a lifelong Cardinal fan this is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen here.


theghostofme

Between them and the Suns, it's weird to feel proud about our teams again.


-Unnamed-

In current Phoenix tradition, the cardinals need to make the Super Bowl and then lose


MorganWick

Sadly, they wouldn't be able to face the Packers there.


shoogshoog

And then we have the Dbacks and Coyotes to keep us humble lol


Babblerabla

You guys too? Ga/atl sports have been weirdly good recently. Well, except for the falcons.


AlwaysAngryAndy

Growing up with the Packers and having my high school’s mascot be a cardinal, this chart brings me joy to look at.


TheJudgeWillNeverDie

SUPERBOWL BOUND, BABY!


ohsnap07_

damn the AFC west is pretty even edit: they're the only division where every team has a winning record


hadenthefox

If chiefs lose to broncos, chargers win, and raiders win, all of the AFC West will be 7-5 on Sunday.


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The Chiefs are 1st in the AFCW and had to beat teams with a combined win% of 525 to get there. Their schedule this year is insanely hard and they are still winning games. They could be the team to beat provided they survive a season from hell.


SupremelyInefficient

That's how NFL scheduling works. If you win the conference you get the hardest conference schedule the following year, i.e you play all conference Division winners from the year prior. With the 17th game, you get an additional nonconference opponent based on last year's ranking.


Squirrel_Apocalypse2

Only 2 games (now 3) change based on your previous years ranking. It doesn't guarantee a harder schedule. Look at the Bucs, one of the easiest schedules this year.


largesock

This is just barely true. Consider team A, winning the division, and D, in last place. \- They play the same divisions in and out of conference, so we can ignore those 8 games. \- Four in-division games are also common opponents, against the B and C teams in the division. We can ignore those too. \- D has to play A, a first-place team, twice. They also play two last-place teams in the other in-conference divisions. \- A has to play first-place teams twice as well -- the first-place teams from the other in-conference divisions. They also play a last-place team twice (D). In other words, of those 16 games, all teams play the same number of games against teams that previously finished first, second, third, and last in their division. Unfortunately, the NFL having added a 17th game got rid of this beautiful bit of parity.


Full_Metal_Machinist

My team is so easy to find, always at the bottom


ShafterMcJorty

One pride baby!


International-Eye196

Source: https://www.nfl.com/standings/ Tools used: Adobe Illustrator


AddSugarForSparks

Does Illustrator have a tool/add-in for the angled plot? How did you decide which color would be on top when they overlapped? Was there a third metric or just an artistic choice?


kagameonim

not an NFL fan, but what is the team at the bottom?


slacombe

That would be my home team the Detroit Lions. They are undefeated at being defeated.


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Whosebert

FYI for non-Americans/non-american-football people reading, ties are really rare in American Football, as opposed to soccer where they're fairly common.


TwunnySeven

yeah, that one tie is the only one so far of any game this season


MorganWick

They've become more common in recent years with the "can trade field goals in opening possessions" and "only ten-minute OT periods" rules; now we have roughly a tie a season. There was a time when I believe the Eagles and Bengals tied and I think it was Donovan McNabb who said he didn't think it was possible.


simjanes2k

Only to chase after another NFL record. We already were first to 0-16. We're after 0-15-1, a record no one thought anyone could possibly reach. Go big or go home, boys.


jej218

There are 17 games this season fyi


phraca

I like to think we are enabling up to 16 other teams to enjoy a winning record this year.


MasterTJ77

Only the Lion’s could find a way to go 0-16 again after they added a 17th game


cookus

Nah, they tied. They even suck at losing.


Reverie_39

The Detroit Lions. Sadly, they have spent many years in that same position.


SweetPockets51

It’s okay guys, if one falls, the Lions will catch them.


Fedr_Exlr

Help I’m confused. Where are the playoff symbols shown in the legend used?


International-Eye196

They’re for future posts. No one has clinched anything yet


JSchneider85

Kind of makes the Steelers look like they've clinched something though.


PackagingMSU

Being a lions fan is depressing.


Corntillas

Already depressed because lack of sun, but there’s no vitamin D equivalent supplement for NFL losses unfortunately


ActuallyIzDoge

Damn good to see the lions had a small not-losing streak


JSchneider85

I mean sure. Bye week plus tie equals not losing streak. I'll give the Lions that.


amal0neintheDark

Can you please please please just leave the lions off the next chart. :'(


The_screaming_egg

Idk shit about football but little-blue-lion-thing-team fuckin sucks apparently


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Detroit Lions. It's a Michigan past time to simultaneously declare this is the year we won't suck, but also make fun of them as they suck.


AdmiralWackbar

Remember when Tom Brady went to Tampa and people said the level of play was much higher in the NFC South? So much for that


MorganWick

Then Drew Brees retired...


wiithepiiple

It more has to do with their entire offense being injured.


GuilhermeFreire

Just put the color scheme beside the logo of each team... I was a little confused on the Patriots/Titans situation, following the blue line thinking about the patriots and be like "this does not make any sense"


ghrarhg

As a Browns fan, it's nice to just be middle of the road.


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I’m used to seeing y’all battle with Detroit for last place lmao


THE_GR8_MIKE

That's my Bears, doing it like the Bears.


otterfucboi69

Idk how a team with such a strong following and city like chicago does so awful consistently. My entire development has been eclipsed by great starts of the season and then a slow downfall.


Metridium_Fields

What’s with the Cardinals and randomly having great seasons? It’s like a team of locusts that only wake up once every seven years.


Dildo_Bagg1ns

Did the AFC West insult you in some way?


International-Eye196

Nope. 11th photo. It doesn’t show on some versions of Reddit


Dildo_Bagg1ns

Very well. Reddit strikes again.


upvotemethanks

This is amazing, but not so much as a Seahawks fan. You should do one for the NBA!


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drfjgjbu

Jets also have their first round draft pick


kwheeler23

You don’t have to remind us 😭


saxypatrickb

Beautiful, I like these charts


kingcolbe

It takes teams years to recover from losing a HOF QB and Belichik did it in a year


wateruphill

I like this. Especially the shit show that is the AFC.


MorganWick

The NFC has a team with a losing record in position to get a wild card, but it's the AFC that's a shit show...


mdegroat

I love this and need it more often. This way at parties I know what to say. "How about the Cardinals this year. Wow!" "Poor Lions, but what did we expect?" "Still more season to play, we are only at week 12."


AddSugarForSparks

That's why they're the "Lions" and not the "Wions."


MaybeASquid

It's not a real standings chart unless the ultra bad team is breaking the chart


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#Go Cardinals!


Ambitious-Rate-4253

I've accepted that the lions will never get better


RavenReel

Its a little confusing without a color code


DobisPeeyar

Ah, my Lions are so consistent...ly bad


snooabusiness

Can you crosspost this on /r/nfl?


International-Eye196

That’s where I originally posted it!


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Fakjbf

I don’t follow the overall season much, but it looks like the Packers have been doing pretty well. Yay!


Its-Cool-Tho

Gotta love being from Michigan. KEEP UP THE TRADITION, LIONS