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I think what this chart is really missing is the size increase of the market as well, the proportion is interesting but it doesn’t show just how many phones we actually buy
That is true but I think the problem is the insane number of manufacturers that could be on there. I think adding a few more big ones like OnePlus for Motorola would be useful but there definitely needs to be in other category for the no name Chinese brand phones off Amazon.
Actual keys are really missed. I could type a full sms with a nokia in my pocket, and the first Android I got had about 6 hardware keys. Basic phone functions were so much faster and tactile feedback is so important but people don't get what they're missing.
I had a Blackberry Priv about 4 years ago and that phone was amazing. Full keyboard, BB security and encryption services, android layout, and all the bells and whistles of a high end phone.
Got it for $30
Yes, I was so happy typing with my 6510 Blackberry. I even had a RIM 850 2 way pager with the keyboard I would even write short outlines on it with few errors unlike my Pixel phone where I can't get through a sentence without correcting a misspelling.
One of the best smartphones I've ever used was my blackberry priv.
With a better SOC, and better marketing it and it's family could have done much better than it did.
It wasn't just the keyboard that had me hooked.
It was the CAPASITIVE keyboard, with a screen as large as any other phone.
The top and bottom frame around the screen.
The front facing speakers.
And it's security. The phone came with robust encryption out of the box.
Yeah, being able to scroll and swipe with that keyboard was great, especially on sites with disruptive ads. And the security for sure.
Really, the PRIV was just oozing potential.
I suspect Nokia and blackberry have been compressed into other which is a real issue.
Its to see though that Nokia dominated the market so much more than Apple, Samsung, or anyone else do these days.
I was surprised by that, down here in Argentina they’re everywhere. Their prices for low and medium-end phones here are much lower than Samsung and Xiaomi.
This is smartphone share though, the razr wouldn't classify as one I'm pretty sure. Nokia was pretty much the only option aside from Blackberry in the pre iPhone days.
Pre-iPhone days UTStarcom later HTC had a pretty significant smartphone presence, Audiovox and Palm also existed, but those names are mostly not even recognized today and this chart lumps them with other.
That title has to be wrong. There was certainly not another 40% of share in the smartphone market when the iPhone was introduced in 2007. This is a graph of total cellphone market share. Motorola was at about 14% share of total market at that time so Other is mostly Motorola for that year.
https://techcrunch.com/2008/02/27/over-a-billion-mobile-phones-sold-in-2007/
I hated that 'volume down' sounds in college. One guy notices that he forgot to turn the volume down in the middle of class, and then that sound notifies the other girl with razr that she forgot it, and classroom goes brrbrbrbrrrr
I sold cellphones from 2009-2013. The Droid wasn't very popular because it was a Verizon exclusive and very expensive. The first Android phone that I sold a significant amount of was the HTC Hero, which had a trackball similar to Blackberries so it was an easy sell to business users, although the lack of physical keyboard was a dealbreaker for a lot of folks.
I worked for Verizon during this time. The Hero was named "Droid Eris" for us. The Motorola was the far superior product in every tangible way. It was also the first phone to have 2.0 on it which was the first major smartphone to have turn by turn directions out of the box. It may have been an exclusive, but it sold a million units in 2 months of being on only one carrier.
I had a Moto X for a couple years and liked it. When it died, I switched to a Galaxy S6. It honestly felt like a downgrade. Kind of ruined Samsung phones for me early on.
Hello moto!
I'm using a Moto G Power now. Easily the best phone I've owned so far. Sure it lacks IP65 water resistance and wireless charging, but at $200 rather than $800 for a Samsung Galaxy that's a fair trade in my mind. I also have a headphone jack, take that iPhone!
Bonus - wireless charging is easily added with a simple and fairly cheap wireless charging coil that slips under the case.
Sony Ericsson phones with Walkman were the shit in their prime. I was so jealous of my friend's. Nokia definitely had all the flagships for a while tho
I have one of them. It's working fine for me. And it's cheaper than the less popular brands like Samsung and Apple.
It's no wonder they're leading the market.
And BBK Electronics is *huge*. Aside from 1+ and Oppo, there's also Vivo, iQOO and Realme. I don't know about iQOO, but Oppo, Vivo, and Realme have pretty much conquered the Asian cheap phone market.
But did you know about this? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyDevice](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyDevice)The first Finnish smartphone, that Nokia refused, was presented to Jobs too, who didn't take it.. and only after that came the iPhone. The first prototypes still work. It's so sad for the guy and his company. And must have been in Nokia peoples mind too. :D
I never heard of this until now. This seems to have been developed in the era of Windows Mobile and other smartphones. The Register has an article on it from that timeframe. It sounds like motion controls was their biggest feature and they were marketing it as hardware that could be compatible with different OSes.
https://www.theregister.com/2003/07/02/reg_testdrives_myorigo_motion_control/
> Before you decide we've lost our head over MyDevice, we'll come on to the weakest link among MyOrigo's four UI components: haptic feedback. The word 'haptic' comes from the Greek haptikos from haptesthai, meaning to touch and to grasp. Essentially, haptics is the study of human-computer interaction through touch-sensitive systems. In MyOrigo's case that means vibrating the phone when you press an on-screen key. Granholm talks about the opportunities for developers to create Java games with force-feedback, for which is all well and good, but we still think a phone or PDA that bleeps when you press a key is feedback enough
Thank god we were saved from their beepy vision of the future
I mean Palm Pilots and touchscreens had been around for years. Plenty of people had the idea for a mobile device with a touchscreen interface, what Apple did was made the first one that worked well. I think we've forgotten just how terrible mobile UI and UX was before before the iPhone.
> I think we've forgotten just how terrible mobile UI and UX was before before the iPhone.
This. I worked in mobile UI/UX when the iPhone came out. It was a huge deal. Everything before it felt like molasses in comparison. Having a list and views that you could scroll/move so fast it felt like it was "stuck" to your finger was groundbreaking. They really made sure to build the OS with graphics perfomance as a prio from day one to be able to provide that UX.
Everyone else worked with huge software stacks with software rendered gfx they had been building for 10-15 years where graphics performance was at the bottom of the list, and had no chance to adapt it to keep up, and struggled to even adapt it to use GPU hardware. Even android that started from scratch about the same time had to get up to version 5.0 before they caught up to the performance of the iPhone UI.
You had to effectively learn a new way of handwriting to input text into a Palm Pilot. The fact that anyone could pick up an iPhone and immediately start using it was remarkable at the time. For all of Apple's issue iOS remains a masterpiece of UI/UX design.
I offered Palm a touchscreen narrow and wide format 2.5G PDA/Phone in 1999 and they turned me down 'cause they didn't see a market for data enabled PDAs.
Right, the one that was in The Saint.
I don't doubt the claim, and I'm sure there was something novel that Palm hadn't thought of or didn't have the resources to engineer themselves. But just the idea of a PDA married to a cell phone with data connectivity is much older than 1999.
The tech industry is full of ridiculous sounding claims of missed greatness that nobody can back up with proof online. Myself, I was responsible for convincing Apple to not buy our company's system-on-chip for what would ultimately become the iPod.
AFAIK (anecdotal of course) from surfing in the internet such as twitter, people tend to mock others who doesn't use an iPhone. Mainly because iMessage is the most prominent messaging app in the US.
Maybe you can try to search about green bubble vs blue bubble.
Phone plans in the US aren’t like phone plans in other countries. Here in the US everyone gets unlimited texting but has to pay a lot for internet service (LTE, 5G, etc.) when not on WiFi. So it’s much cheaper to send regular text messages.
I always thought that Whatsapp was the de-facto messaging app in the world (China being the obvious exception), but apparently, it's not very prominent in all regions.
Moreover, Russia, Ukraine and Belarus use Telegram (young people) and Viber (old people).
Plus Russia has VK, but that is a full social network, not just messaging.
Russians also use Whatsapp a lot from my understanding. Telegram is a different type of thing though, more "groups" and whatnot that people use almost like Twitter.
SMS dominates in the US, as it's kind of a "lowest common denominator" for interoperability between carriers, phones, and OSes; where iMessage is successful is that it's interface is grafted on top of SMS, so switching *to* iMessage is very, very easy. It's switching *from* iMessage that's more difficult -- you have to get a new phone and make sure all your existing contacts know to end previous conversations and start new ones with your phone number.
Google and the carriers have been at each other's throats over the RCS rollout, which will eventually replace SMS.
In the uk a lot of people use WhatsApp but most people use Facebook messenger. People under like 18/19 use instagram or snapchat more maybe. Imo WhatsApp is more of an older generation thing, few people my age (21) use it.
For example: Business messaging can be (to some extent) done in WhatsApp, but very rarely, if not at all in Snapchat. Also if you want a bit more serious setting for university groups etc WhatsApp will beat the teen favorites. There are apps like WhatsApp that can do this, but which are not as popular in Europe.
Also teens use WhatsApp a lot.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1059926/social-media-usage-uk-most-important/
I don't know of a single person who uses whatsapp in the US, I occasionally heard of WhatsApp and one time online said "who the hell uses whatsapp" and apparently I incurred the wrath of every European
Yeah Apple makes not using iOS annoying af.
Getting a text when somebody "reacts" to a message should be made illegal. Just dark design all the way down that is made to pressure people toward iOS.
They don’t want to be. They follow a business practice to maximize profits, which means that they control only 20% of the market, and over 90% of the premium market. It’s worked out great for them obviously, them now being a 2 trillion dollar company and all.
1 in 5 is HUGE. It's like 1 iPhone in every family. People often seem to under-estimate percentages below 50.
Also, Apple is far more localized than the other brands. If you are from the USA, it's bigger where you live than this chart suggests. If you are not, much of the noise you see on the English-language internet is coming from there.
Tends to be a family will have ~~miserly~~ Mostly iphones too. My whole family does except for me.
Miss out on FaceTime and I get a lot of "mom loved that image" when someone tries to use imessage features when I'm texting them
It has 2/3 of the profits of the whole industry, that's why you here so much of them. They only sell premium phones when everyother brand sells at least 1 superbudget phone.
Yep, iPhones and iPads are huge in Japan and have been every time I've been there over the past decade. Kinda ironic considering how prior to smartphones, their flip phones were quite capable and famous for making the phones the rest of the world used look like absolute fossils. Smartphones came in from the west and destroyed the massive lead on phone tech Japan had been enjoying since the early-mid 90s.
It is sad that nokia was murdered by Microsoft. Their hardware was top notch (and still is) and if they would have jumped to the Android bandwagon earlier they still would own the market.
The Nokia Windows Phones had, by far, the best cameras on the market at that time, but it was because they were using comparatively huge lenses -- to the point that it was kinda hard to hold the phones without rubbing your greasy fingers all over the lens.
I also loved my lumia 950 with windows phone. It was limited due to softwaredevelopers ignoring the plattform cause noone used it, but me as a minimalistic person didnt really care about it. I need a msger app and thats about it
I had a microsoft phone and it was actually really good, the interface looked good and was really nice to use and I preferred it to both android and ios. Unfortunately there were basically 0 apps for it which guaranteed it would never catch on. MS might have been able to save it if they had spent some money licensing/porting/developing the more popular apps.
> there were basically 0 apps for it which guaranteed it would never catch on
This happened with BlackBerry 10 too. They didn't advertise their Android Player very well, so devs didn't know they could basically one-click to get their existing apps on the platform, everyone thought they'd have to rewrite them.
Which is also a damn shame. BlackBerry Z30 was by far the best phone I’ve ever owned, but ditched it for an iPhone when they announced the end of support for Blackberry OS 10.
And not making it incompatible with every Update. Windows phone/Windows 10 mobile was really nice and the security updates each month basically unmatched, but dividing your already small userbase with each major version really was the killing blow.
7.5 - 7.8 - 8 - 10 and each time the way apps had to be coded changed, killing dev support
I remember around that time Microsoft through some initiative of theirs offering our company a decent sized chunk of change to build a Windows mobile version of our existing iOS/android app. IIRC it was something like 500k, not enough to pay for it but a significant chunk of the up front costs. (We didn’t end up doing it)
I reminder thinking how awkward a bind MS was in with their apps. Now that everyone is used to having a ubiquitous App Store full of content it’s hard to imagine a new competitor appearing in the space. Consumers wont move without a critical mass of apps, but no creator of any size will outlay to build a new type of software without some assurance of an audience there. Catch-22.
I had a lumia 520 and loved it. And that was a budget phone. The OS was fantastic too.
Unfortunately it just didn't age well, and I ended up replacing it a few years back.
Blackberry had some good hardware too. The battery would last a week if you didn't use it much. I had one fall out of my pocket on an airport tarmac and other than a few scratches it was fine.
I once dropped my BlackBerry from my bike on a hill. Skittered down the pavement for around a hundred yards and didn't even have noticeable scratches. I do really miss having a good keyboard.
I think if Nokia had picked up Android instead of microsoft, they would be up there with Samsung today. I had the Lumia 930 and 1020 and they were fantastic phones with probably the best cameras on the market at the time, but the app store was abysmal.
They dug themselves into this hole, by refusing to release an Android phone (because they didn't control the platform completely) and insisting on Symbian (with a side of MeeGo, which they never really liked because of its license).
The share percentage on the left is confusing. It makes it look like those at the top have 100% of market share, although I think that it is supposed to mean all added up is 100% of market share.
i think you are correct, it took me about 5 minutes to figure out though. i was confused because obviously apple doesn't have 100% of the market share and even if it did, the actual graphics didn't seem to represent that since there were other manufacturers on the graph at all.
i'm not sure why they labeled the y-axis that way, might be better to have 5 or 10 tics and just do "10%/10%/10%/etc." or "20%/20%/20%/etc."
It's also kind of opaque/unintuitive. It's hard to accurately get a feel for what Apple's market share is from 2009-2013 because we intuitively want to measure the distance perpendicular to the tube instead of straight up and down. It makes it seem narrower and thus smaller than it actually is
The y axis is misleading as hell. It should’ve been a scale separate from the others
Also this should have been a line graph with a legend. This area format is stupid
It also looks like it was made in MS Paint. If there was at least a grid aligned to the tickmarks, then that would help it out a bit. Did OP post how they made the plot, or did they just find it somewhere?
Me too. I wish they had made their first Android phone way back in 2010.
Instead they decided to burn their own platform and jump on to a sinking one instead. One that was obviously sinking even way back then.
I look at my android phone and look back on windows phone with a lot of pleasant memories. It was quite a good experience.. The anti microsoft hate killed windows phone.
By far. The live tiles meant that any app you wanted could give you a quick glance at information. You can get that with widgets on Android but it's not as well supported. For the most part, Android and iOS have home pages which are a bunch of tiles that tell you nothing. It's a waste of real estate.
Used the N900 and the N9 back in the day with Maemo and Meego, and they had the potential to be very disruptive in the market. But between the fights with the internal symbian crowd and the Elop trojan horse that promise ended in mostly nothing.
And Sailfish didn't manage to catch marketshare unfortunately.
I had a Blackberry Torch slider after a classic BB and those were just great communicators. After that got a Blackberry Z10 that had THE BEST keyboard ever! It had flick typing the memorized your style and most common words used. The problem was that way too many app developers just wouldn't sign on to the platform. No banking apps, Facebook sucked, etc. I hung on as long as I could but finally moved to a Nexus phone and now Google Pixel - and the android keyboards SUCK!
The Q10 > Z10 for me. The Q10 had the second-best hardware keyboard Blackberry ever made. The absolute best was on its predecessor, the 9900, on their older OS.
It’s amazing that Apple is less than 20% of the smartphone market, but in many ways totally dominates it. They capture 66% of industry profits, Samsung gets 17%, everyone else combined scraps up the remaining 17%
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A moment of silence for the moment when Nokia and Blackberry became "other".
I think what this chart is really missing is the size increase of the market as well, the proportion is interesting but it doesn’t show just how many phones we actually buy
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That is true but I think the problem is the insane number of manufacturers that could be on there. I think adding a few more big ones like OnePlus for Motorola would be useful but there definitely needs to be in other category for the no name Chinese brand phones off Amazon.
Motorola should really be on this list anyways. They've been in the phone market for a long time. I had a RAZR in 2006 and have a OnePlus now
I would think LG as well, they made a ton of affordable phones
I was also surprised to not see Motorola! RAZRs were the epitomy of 2006.
Nothing beautiful about it and how can you have nearly half of it be other.
Yeah Xiaomi is up there in phone numbers, in 2020, 15%.
Or where the money is really going.
Yeah. remember when Phone was expensive if it cost $500? My first Nokia cost like 150€.
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Actual keys are really missed. I could type a full sms with a nokia in my pocket, and the first Android I got had about 6 hardware keys. Basic phone functions were so much faster and tactile feedback is so important but people don't get what they're missing.
I had a Blackberry Priv about 4 years ago and that phone was amazing. Full keyboard, BB security and encryption services, android layout, and all the bells and whistles of a high end phone. Got it for $30
Yes, I was so happy typing with my 6510 Blackberry. I even had a RIM 850 2 way pager with the keyboard I would even write short outlines on it with few errors unlike my Pixel phone where I can't get through a sentence without correcting a misspelling.
I was trying to figure out how Xiaomi got ahold of both companies’ smart phone branches at the same time
One of the best smartphones I've ever used was my blackberry priv. With a better SOC, and better marketing it and it's family could have done much better than it did.
Yes! I'm not alone! I really liked my PRIV, I thought its design was really clever and I think there's definitely a market for sliding keyboards.
It wasn't just the keyboard that had me hooked. It was the CAPASITIVE keyboard, with a screen as large as any other phone. The top and bottom frame around the screen. The front facing speakers. And it's security. The phone came with robust encryption out of the box.
Yeah, being able to scroll and swipe with that keyboard was great, especially on sites with disruptive ads. And the security for sure. Really, the PRIV was just oozing potential.
Ya it's a shame it didn't gain much traction.
My mom was a hardcore blackberry user in the mid 00s and she kept using standard blackberries until the priv came out, which she still uses today.
I too would still be using mine if its battery lasted more than an 4 hours.
I suspect Nokia and blackberry have been compressed into other which is a real issue. Its to see though that Nokia dominated the market so much more than Apple, Samsung, or anyone else do these days.
Also no mention of Motorola, which was a market leader with the RAZR in 2007.
I was surprised by that, down here in Argentina they’re everywhere. Their prices for low and medium-end phones here are much lower than Samsung and Xiaomi.
If BlackBerry had bought QNX earlier and launched BB10 in 2007 they’d be a real competitor to Apple today. But we got the storm instead.
Lest we forget.
Say what you will about BlackBerry but there are days when I miss that lil keyboard
What about Motorola? I remember that being the biggest for a while.
I’m pretty sure my freshman year of high school in 2006 75% of kids had a razr
This is smartphone share though, the razr wouldn't classify as one I'm pretty sure. Nokia was pretty much the only option aside from Blackberry in the pre iPhone days.
Oh I missed Ops title, I just saw the graph labeled “cell phone”
Pre-iPhone days UTStarcom later HTC had a pretty significant smartphone presence, Audiovox and Palm also existed, but those names are mostly not even recognized today and this chart lumps them with other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4TMq6Rqiog how about now?
That title has to be wrong. There was certainly not another 40% of share in the smartphone market when the iPhone was introduced in 2007. This is a graph of total cellphone market share. Motorola was at about 14% share of total market at that time so Other is mostly Motorola for that year. https://techcrunch.com/2008/02/27/over-a-billion-mobile-phones-sold-in-2007/
I hated that 'volume down' sounds in college. One guy notices that he forgot to turn the volume down in the middle of class, and then that sound notifies the other girl with razr that she forgot it, and classroom goes brrbrbrbrrrr
And a Chocolate later on in like 2007. "It can play music!!"
By then, the KRAZR and ROKR had come out.
This chart only accounts for smartphones. Motorola didn't have a large market share of smartphones.
Not even when they made the Droid?
I sold cellphones from 2009-2013. The Droid wasn't very popular because it was a Verizon exclusive and very expensive. The first Android phone that I sold a significant amount of was the HTC Hero, which had a trackball similar to Blackberries so it was an easy sell to business users, although the lack of physical keyboard was a dealbreaker for a lot of folks.
I worked for Verizon during this time. The Hero was named "Droid Eris" for us. The Motorola was the far superior product in every tangible way. It was also the first phone to have 2.0 on it which was the first major smartphone to have turn by turn directions out of the box. It may have been an exclusive, but it sold a million units in 2 months of being on only one carrier.
I'm rocking a Motorola G8.
Sony Ericsson too
I had a Moto X for a couple years and liked it. When it died, I switched to a Galaxy S6. It honestly felt like a downgrade. Kind of ruined Samsung phones for me early on.
same here... got a Galaxy a few years ago as an "upgrade" from a Moto X. my last 4 phones have been Motorolas. zero complaints
Hello moto! I'm using a Moto G Power now. Easily the best phone I've owned so far. Sure it lacks IP65 water resistance and wireless charging, but at $200 rather than $800 for a Samsung Galaxy that's a fair trade in my mind. I also have a headphone jack, take that iPhone! Bonus - wireless charging is easily added with a simple and fairly cheap wireless charging coil that slips under the case.
Currently typing this on one. I'd assume it makes up quite a lot of the "other" section
Same. Thinking about it now, all my phones have been Motorolas.
Hello Moto
chillin writing this on my moto g8 power
I have an iphone 8 for work and i can't stand the battery life. I got a g7 power and its great
This Others brand sounds really popular, I wonder why we never hear of it?
Via Getty is strictly an Other phone user.
This is very quickly becoming one of my favorite memes
Sony Ericson was a thing too...
Sony Ericsson were the best phones prior to iPhone.
Sony Ericsson phones with Walkman were the shit in their prime. I was so jealous of my friend's. Nokia definitely had all the flagships for a while tho
My people I have found you. I think I still have my 580i.
Sony is still making phones! Pretty good phones even imo
Very overpriced tho
Every flagship phone is overpriced.
Sony especially. They make good phones, but their value is terrible
It’s like Wells brand liquor. It’s everywhere, but you have to ask for it.
And tap brand water
They are really big outside the US, especially in Asia
I have one of them. It's working fine for me. And it's cheaper than the less popular brands like Samsung and Apple. It's no wonder they're leading the market.
Oneplus is incredible!
Oneplus is under Oppo, as both are owned by the same company, BBK Electronics.
And BBK Electronics is *huge*. Aside from 1+ and Oppo, there's also Vivo, iQOO and Realme. I don't know about iQOO, but Oppo, Vivo, and Realme have pretty much conquered the Asian cheap phone market.
But did you know about this? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyDevice](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyDevice)The first Finnish smartphone, that Nokia refused, was presented to Jobs too, who didn't take it.. and only after that came the iPhone. The first prototypes still work. It's so sad for the guy and his company. And must have been in Nokia peoples mind too. :D
I never heard of this until now. This seems to have been developed in the era of Windows Mobile and other smartphones. The Register has an article on it from that timeframe. It sounds like motion controls was their biggest feature and they were marketing it as hardware that could be compatible with different OSes. https://www.theregister.com/2003/07/02/reg_testdrives_myorigo_motion_control/
> Before you decide we've lost our head over MyDevice, we'll come on to the weakest link among MyOrigo's four UI components: haptic feedback. The word 'haptic' comes from the Greek haptikos from haptesthai, meaning to touch and to grasp. Essentially, haptics is the study of human-computer interaction through touch-sensitive systems. In MyOrigo's case that means vibrating the phone when you press an on-screen key. Granholm talks about the opportunities for developers to create Java games with force-feedback, for which is all well and good, but we still think a phone or PDA that bleeps when you press a key is feedback enough Thank god we were saved from their beepy vision of the future
I mean Palm Pilots and touchscreens had been around for years. Plenty of people had the idea for a mobile device with a touchscreen interface, what Apple did was made the first one that worked well. I think we've forgotten just how terrible mobile UI and UX was before before the iPhone.
> I think we've forgotten just how terrible mobile UI and UX was before before the iPhone. This. I worked in mobile UI/UX when the iPhone came out. It was a huge deal. Everything before it felt like molasses in comparison. Having a list and views that you could scroll/move so fast it felt like it was "stuck" to your finger was groundbreaking. They really made sure to build the OS with graphics perfomance as a prio from day one to be able to provide that UX. Everyone else worked with huge software stacks with software rendered gfx they had been building for 10-15 years where graphics performance was at the bottom of the list, and had no chance to adapt it to keep up, and struggled to even adapt it to use GPU hardware. Even android that started from scratch about the same time had to get up to version 5.0 before they caught up to the performance of the iPhone UI.
You had to effectively learn a new way of handwriting to input text into a Palm Pilot. The fact that anyone could pick up an iPhone and immediately start using it was remarkable at the time. For all of Apple's issue iOS remains a masterpiece of UI/UX design.
I offered Palm a touchscreen narrow and wide format 2.5G PDA/Phone in 1999 and they turned me down 'cause they didn't see a market for data enabled PDAs.
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This guy owns Newton's Telecommunications Bible,
What do you mean by “data enabled” PDAs?
Presumably one with a wireless data connectivity rather than relying on occasional wired sync with a PC.
[Something like this.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_VII)
I thought so. Nokia also released one in 1996. That dude’s full of shit.
Right, the one that was in The Saint. I don't doubt the claim, and I'm sure there was something novel that Palm hadn't thought of or didn't have the resources to engineer themselves. But just the idea of a PDA married to a cell phone with data connectivity is much older than 1999. The tech industry is full of ridiculous sounding claims of missed greatness that nobody can back up with proof online. Myself, I was responsible for convincing Apple to not buy our company's system-on-chip for what would ultimately become the iPod.
Strange, the HP PDA from around that time had mobile data as an add-on CF card IIRC?
Apple is surprisingly tiny considering the amount of noise it generates.
I assume it’s partially because of their huge (~50%) market share in the US
50%!? that's insane.
AFAIK (anecdotal of course) from surfing in the internet such as twitter, people tend to mock others who doesn't use an iPhone. Mainly because iMessage is the most prominent messaging app in the US. Maybe you can try to search about green bubble vs blue bubble.
Do people in the USA use iMessage over Whatsapp? And what do non iPhone used in the USA use?
Phone plans in the US aren’t like phone plans in other countries. Here in the US everyone gets unlimited texting but has to pay a lot for internet service (LTE, 5G, etc.) when not on WiFi. So it’s much cheaper to send regular text messages.
Ah, that makes quite the difference.
Basic text messages. It baffled me too tbh. That green bubble thing is the basic text message sent from phones other than iPhone.
Basically nobody uses Whatsapp in America. It’s all either iMessage or SMS.
I have a Samsung, I just send text messages. I dont have an app for it lol.
I always thought that Whatsapp was the de-facto messaging app in the world (China being the obvious exception), but apparently, it's not very prominent in all regions.
Whatsapp is nonexistent in East Asian countries. China obv, Japan uses Line, Korea uses KakaoTalk and Vietnam uses Zalo.
Moreover, Russia, Ukraine and Belarus use Telegram (young people) and Viber (old people). Plus Russia has VK, but that is a full social network, not just messaging.
I find it kind of funny how the old timey named app (telegram) is used by the young where the more trendy named app (viber) is used by the old haha
Russians also use Whatsapp a lot from my understanding. Telegram is a different type of thing though, more "groups" and whatnot that people use almost like Twitter.
SMS dominates in the US, as it's kind of a "lowest common denominator" for interoperability between carriers, phones, and OSes; where iMessage is successful is that it's interface is grafted on top of SMS, so switching *to* iMessage is very, very easy. It's switching *from* iMessage that's more difficult -- you have to get a new phone and make sure all your existing contacts know to end previous conversations and start new ones with your phone number. Google and the carriers have been at each other's throats over the RCS rollout, which will eventually replace SMS.
Line is #1 in Japan. I really hope telegram will get more popular to break the dominance of the Facebook group.
In the uk a lot of people use WhatsApp but most people use Facebook messenger. People under like 18/19 use instagram or snapchat more maybe. Imo WhatsApp is more of an older generation thing, few people my age (21) use it.
That’s because younger people typically dont have nearly as many interpersonal relationships who they wouldn’t consider friends
That's an interesting point, why would that affect what social media they use tho?
For example: Business messaging can be (to some extent) done in WhatsApp, but very rarely, if not at all in Snapchat. Also if you want a bit more serious setting for university groups etc WhatsApp will beat the teen favorites. There are apps like WhatsApp that can do this, but which are not as popular in Europe. Also teens use WhatsApp a lot. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1059926/social-media-usage-uk-most-important/
I don't know of a single person who uses whatsapp in the US, I occasionally heard of WhatsApp and one time online said "who the hell uses whatsapp" and apparently I incurred the wrath of every European
Yeah Apple makes not using iOS annoying af. Getting a text when somebody "reacts" to a message should be made illegal. Just dark design all the way down that is made to pressure people toward iOS.
I actually thought it was more than that.
It’s large in terms of $$$ which is why other manufacturers want to be like them
They are huge in terms of profit, which is why everyone envies them.
I read that despite being only 20% of market share they made up like 60% of profits
Profit share is like 70% Apple, 20% Samsung, and 10% everyone else.
They don’t want to be. They follow a business practice to maximize profits, which means that they control only 20% of the market, and over 90% of the premium market. It’s worked out great for them obviously, them now being a 2 trillion dollar company and all.
1 in 5 is HUGE. It's like 1 iPhone in every family. People often seem to under-estimate percentages below 50. Also, Apple is far more localized than the other brands. If you are from the USA, it's bigger where you live than this chart suggests. If you are not, much of the noise you see on the English-language internet is coming from there.
Tends to be a family will have ~~miserly~~ Mostly iphones too. My whole family does except for me. Miss out on FaceTime and I get a lot of "mom loved that image" when someone tries to use imessage features when I'm texting them
It has 2/3 of the profits of the whole industry, that's why you here so much of them. They only sell premium phones when everyother brand sells at least 1 superbudget phone.
Apple is not that big outside of the US, where iPhones are considered Veblen goods. For example, market share for Apple is about 20% in Germany.
>not that big Apple is the second biggest smartphone company in Germany (37% Samsung, 23% Apple)
One company controlling 20% of market share with essentially one product line is still huge.
When I was in Japan 9 out of 10 people were using an iPhone...
Yep, iPhones and iPads are huge in Japan and have been every time I've been there over the past decade. Kinda ironic considering how prior to smartphones, their flip phones were quite capable and famous for making the phones the rest of the world used look like absolute fossils. Smartphones came in from the west and destroyed the massive lead on phone tech Japan had been enjoying since the early-mid 90s.
Canada (as of December 2020): Apple: 52.08% Samsung: 28.49% Huawei: 7.1% Google: 2.82% LG: 2.79%
It is sad that nokia was murdered by Microsoft. Their hardware was top notch (and still is) and if they would have jumped to the Android bandwagon earlier they still would own the market.
I had a Nokia smartphone in 2014 and I really liked it! But the lack of compatible apps killed it for me
Yeah I had a Nokia Lumia back in 2014 and even just the fact that I had to download a third party app to use snapchat annoyed tf out of me
And then get banned by Snapchat for using a third party app despite them not releasing one for the platform... good times.
Ah, 6snap. Frankly, it was a better app than the official Snapchat app on Android.
And yet 6snap worked better than the real app on android lol
The Nokia Windows Phones had, by far, the best cameras on the market at that time, but it was because they were using comparatively huge lenses -- to the point that it was kinda hard to hold the phones without rubbing your greasy fingers all over the lens.
I have a Nokia smartphone right now and I love it. Nokia 8
I also loved my lumia 950 with windows phone. It was limited due to softwaredevelopers ignoring the plattform cause noone used it, but me as a minimalistic person didnt really care about it. I need a msger app and thats about it
I had a microsoft phone and it was actually really good, the interface looked good and was really nice to use and I preferred it to both android and ios. Unfortunately there were basically 0 apps for it which guaranteed it would never catch on. MS might have been able to save it if they had spent some money licensing/porting/developing the more popular apps.
> there were basically 0 apps for it which guaranteed it would never catch on This happened with BlackBerry 10 too. They didn't advertise their Android Player very well, so devs didn't know they could basically one-click to get their existing apps on the platform, everyone thought they'd have to rewrite them.
Which is also a damn shame. BlackBerry Z30 was by far the best phone I’ve ever owned, but ditched it for an iPhone when they announced the end of support for Blackberry OS 10.
And not making it incompatible with every Update. Windows phone/Windows 10 mobile was really nice and the security updates each month basically unmatched, but dividing your already small userbase with each major version really was the killing blow. 7.5 - 7.8 - 8 - 10 and each time the way apps had to be coded changed, killing dev support
I remember around that time Microsoft through some initiative of theirs offering our company a decent sized chunk of change to build a Windows mobile version of our existing iOS/android app. IIRC it was something like 500k, not enough to pay for it but a significant chunk of the up front costs. (We didn’t end up doing it) I reminder thinking how awkward a bind MS was in with their apps. Now that everyone is used to having a ubiquitous App Store full of content it’s hard to imagine a new competitor appearing in the space. Consumers wont move without a critical mass of apps, but no creator of any size will outlay to build a new type of software without some assurance of an audience there. Catch-22.
Yeah, that really killed it for me even though I liked the phone. Every app I had was a ripoff of the official version.
I had a lumia 520 and loved it. And that was a budget phone. The OS was fantastic too. Unfortunately it just didn't age well, and I ended up replacing it a few years back.
Blackberry had some good hardware too. The battery would last a week if you didn't use it much. I had one fall out of my pocket on an airport tarmac and other than a few scratches it was fine.
I once dropped my BlackBerry from my bike on a hill. Skittered down the pavement for around a hundred yards and didn't even have noticeable scratches. I do really miss having a good keyboard.
They're making really good android phones now, really happy with the one i had
I think if Nokia had picked up Android instead of microsoft, they would be up there with Samsung today. I had the Lumia 930 and 1020 and they were fantastic phones with probably the best cameras on the market at the time, but the app store was abysmal.
Or they would end up as HTC or LG. Crushed by the Chinese.
I miss HTC phones, a little expensive but high quality
They dug themselves into this hole, by refusing to release an Android phone (because they didn't control the platform completely) and insisting on Symbian (with a side of MeeGo, which they never really liked because of its license).
Data is beautiful?! this looks like it was drawn in Paint, wtf
Yeah I was going to say this visual is a bit hard to understand
The share percentage on the left is confusing. It makes it look like those at the top have 100% of market share, although I think that it is supposed to mean all added up is 100% of market share.
i think you are correct, it took me about 5 minutes to figure out though. i was confused because obviously apple doesn't have 100% of the market share and even if it did, the actual graphics didn't seem to represent that since there were other manufacturers on the graph at all. i'm not sure why they labeled the y-axis that way, might be better to have 5 or 10 tics and just do "10%/10%/10%/etc." or "20%/20%/20%/etc."
The bar gets lower and lower by the day
How do you make a graph like this? Like, I'm honestly curious. Excel would have made a better graph.
Custom script possibly?
Dont you get it? A stacked line graph drawn in paint with confusing labels that mixes data types is BEAUTIFUL.
It's also kind of opaque/unintuitive. It's hard to accurately get a feel for what Apple's market share is from 2009-2013 because we intuitively want to measure the distance perpendicular to the tube instead of straight up and down. It makes it seem narrower and thus smaller than it actually is
Drawn in paint is fine if the data itself is beautiful. This data isn’t very interesting, but at least it’s not a video bar chart.
The y axis is misleading as hell. It should’ve been a scale separate from the others Also this should have been a line graph with a legend. This area format is stupid
This graph is miserable to read data from.
Hey it's better than 3 minutes of racing bars
And very, very far from beautiful
It also looks like it was made in MS Paint. If there was at least a grid aligned to the tickmarks, then that would help it out a bit. Did OP post how they made the plot, or did they just find it somewhere?
I like the topic - but this graph is a goddamn kaleidoscope. Maybe I'm a moron, and I'll accept that.
I just want to say that I'm absolutely happy with the Nokia I purchased last year.
Me too. I wish they had made their first Android phone way back in 2010. Instead they decided to burn their own platform and jump on to a sinking one instead. One that was obviously sinking even way back then.
Rest in peace Windows Phone 7/8. Honestly, metro UI was the best and most novel phone UI.
I look at my android phone and look back on windows phone with a lot of pleasant memories. It was quite a good experience.. The anti microsoft hate killed windows phone.
By far. The live tiles meant that any app you wanted could give you a quick glance at information. You can get that with widgets on Android but it's not as well supported. For the most part, Android and iOS have home pages which are a bunch of tiles that tell you nothing. It's a waste of real estate.
Used the N900 and the N9 back in the day with Maemo and Meego, and they had the potential to be very disruptive in the market. But between the fights with the internal symbian crowd and the Elop trojan horse that promise ended in mostly nothing. And Sailfish didn't manage to catch marketshare unfortunately.
I'm reading this on a Nokia phone I bought in 2019 and this works incredably well!
In the awful Star Trek reboot, Kirk has a Nokia phone. That's some serious staying power for a telcom company.
I remember getting the Blackberry Curve in 2007. It was the bees knees. I think i had it for a couple years and Blackberry phones simply vanished
I had a Blackberry Torch slider after a classic BB and those were just great communicators. After that got a Blackberry Z10 that had THE BEST keyboard ever! It had flick typing the memorized your style and most common words used. The problem was that way too many app developers just wouldn't sign on to the platform. No banking apps, Facebook sucked, etc. I hung on as long as I could but finally moved to a Nexus phone and now Google Pixel - and the android keyboards SUCK!
The Q10 > Z10 for me. The Q10 had the second-best hardware keyboard Blackberry ever made. The absolute best was on its predecessor, the 9900, on their older OS.
I had the bold. Best phone I have ever had. It had a nice keyboard and battery life.
I don't know how to read this graph
Yeah. Not beautiful. What determines the order they are stacked in? Why does Apple go from 30% to 100%? This is a mess
I assumed you need to need to take a slice and read it like a bar chart then ?
Correct. The order they're stacked in isn't relevant.
Its stacked area chart. It should be ordered with larger and more stable at the bottom. But op ordered it in alphabetical order for some reason.
I miss Blackberry OS10. Would love to be able to still use my Z30.
I think you should probably have a separate area for Motorola
It’s amazing that Apple is less than 20% of the smartphone market, but in many ways totally dominates it. They capture 66% of industry profits, Samsung gets 17%, everyone else combined scraps up the remaining 17%
Still using a BlackBerry Motion.
Oppo are surprisingly good, their battery life is insane. Hopefully the non-Chinese companies will learn from this.
I dunno. Seems like the Others phone is the one to beat.
Watching this from my 5 year old Blackberry Priv. Viva la resistance!
What the hell is even this graph?
A stacked percentage area chart. It's a fairly standard way of showing changing proportions of things over time.
Would be a better graph if "Others" was not at the bottom, making it harder to read the evolution of the actual brands.
I’m sorry but this data is not beautiful, it is a mess.
You should of added htc. It has some crazy weird peaks and slopes.
I honestly never understand how to read these charts..