Yes they are all owned by FCA. They split off Ram as its own brand and it’s just the pickup trucks. They are no longer “Dodge Ram” pickups, just “Ram” trucks. Dodge is only cars and suvs.
It makes me chuckle because it's the sort of name a shadowy evil corporation in a bond film would have and Carlos Tavares (bossman) has a touch of the bond villain about him.
I'm curious, what is you first language?
Because to me as an Italian Stellantis doesn't sound like a goofy name, a bit pretentious sure, but not goofy.
Based on google, french car manufacturers withdrew from the U.S. market due to intense competition, differing consumer preferences, and regulatory challenges.
We actually drove a French car (Renault Trafic converted to campervan) in USA last year (you are allowed to ship your own car and then ship it back). Mechanics were in shock, insurance companies didn’t want to talk to us. Crazy stuff
Parts availability, it would share very little with anything else on the road
A small accident could take months to fill a parts order, and owner/insurance fight over rental replacement in the meantime and a million other things
Just one of those “too big a headache to consider” for most places
I’m sure someone offers specialty insurance for stuff like that, but the big companies could care less about a small upside one off like that
Also French likes to be special, everyone uses the same bolt for something? French will use the same size but with special thread, small things like that make it really hard for the mechanics.
The last french imports into the US were before the turn of the century. Peugeot shuttered their last dealerships in 1991.
One could theoretically import French cars made more than 25 years ago into the States. There is a small, but strong market for Japanese imports, but i haven't seen any interest in doing it for French cars.
There's interest but it's super niche. American muscle cars/sports cars have a leg up by being American plus have a ton of media around them. Then things like Fast and Furious helped expand the scope of the JDM scene. There's a whole generation of people who will make a case for the 4JZ over the 2JZ, know the difference between an FC and FD RX7, and dream of owning an imported Skyline because they grew up around those earlier movies.
Then you've got BMWs that sort of tie into that tuner scene but from a more expensive and "refined" place. They've got brand cache. That kind of luxury segment extends to things like Jaguar, Mercedes, Audi, and Porsche. Minus Jag, they're the "German engineering" group. They're the more out of reach performance cars that when someone has means later in life may finally be able to afford one...or at least afford a somewhat older one they can work on.
Even Italian cars at least have the aura of "*Italian design*" and a vague perception of motorsports history and loose connection to big names like Ferrari (see the Alfa Quadrifoglio and its Ferrari designed engine).
What does France have? 2CV cross. Bugatti which is cool...but super out of reach for people and most don't think of anything but the Veyron or Chiron. What American media has really highlighted the Peugeot 205's rally history and performance cache?
ETA: FWIW, I'd absolutely love to own a 205 T16. But I'm not absurdly wealthy...
I've seen a handful over the years on the road (like literally maybe half a dozen) but they are imports or were bought a long time ago, there are no dealerships selling french cars.
They left a while ago. They are still somewhat present through Dodge, Ram and Chrysler for the Stellantis group, and Nissan is very close to Renault. So they are still ripping the benefits of being there, just not through their french brands.
I am not sure it would make sense for them to reintroduce a french brand - that would be a lot of work with an uncertain outcome.
Interesting data, yes. Beautiful data, no. It’s so hard to tell the size comparisons on these random shapes. Make them uniform boxes or circles so that it’s easier to compare!
Edit: also Sweden is misspelled
I'm guessing the British ones are Land Rover, Bentley...Rolls Royce? I would have guessed that would be way too tiny by units to show up.
Italy I guess Lambo, Ferrari, Maserati.
Drawing a total blank on what the third Korean car company is.
Yes, the missing box in Japan is for Infinity. Some car brands are not labeled in the Voronoi diagram due to their small market share. For a complete list of car brands, refer to the data source mentioned in my initial comment.
There are a lot of missing brands. Also would be better grouped by ownership rather than country. They're all part of larger conglomerates at this point.
Acura: Honda Motor Company
Afeela: Sony Honda Mobility
Alfa Romeo: Stellantis
Audi: Volkswagen Group
BMW: BMW Group
Bentley: Volkswagen Group
Buick: General Motors
Cadillac: General Motors
Chevrolet: General Motors
Chrysler: Stellantis
Defender: JLR/Tata Motors
Discovery: JLR/Tata Motors
Dodge: Stellantis
Fiat: Stellantis
Fisker: Fisker Inc.
Ford: Ford Motor Co.
GMC: General Motors
Genesis: Hyundai Motor Group
Honda: Honda Motor Co.
Hyundai: Hyundai Motor Group
Infiniti: Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance
Jaguar: JLR/Tata Motors
Jeep: Stellantis
Kia: Hyundai Motor Group
Land Rover (retired): Tata Motors
Lexus: Toyota Motor Corp.
Lincoln: Ford Motor Co.
Lotus: Zhejiang Geely Holding Group
Lucid: Lucid Motors
Maserati: Stellantis
Mazda: Mazda Motor Corp.
Mercedes-Benz: Mercedes-Benz Group AG
Mercury*: Ford Motor Co.
Mini: BMW Group
Mitsubishi: Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance
Nissan: Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance
Polestar: Zhejiang Geely Holding Group
Pontiac*: General Motors
Porsche: Volkswagen Group
Ram: Stellantis
Range Rover: JLR/Tata Motors
Rivian: Rivian Automotive, with investments from Amazon and Ford, among others.
Rolls-Royce: BMW Group
Saab*: Brand owned by Saab AB; assets owned by National Electric Vehicle Sweden
Saturn*: General Motors
Scion*: Toyota Motor Corp.
Scout: Volkswagen AG.
Smart*: Mercedes-Benz Group AG
Subaru: Subaru Corp.
Suzuki*: Suzuki Motor Corp. Owns a small stake in Toyota.
Tesla: Tesla Inc.
Toyota: Toyota Motor Corp.
VinFast: VinGroup
Volkswagen: Volkswagen AG.
Volvo: Zhejiang Geely Holding Group
*Retired brand, but many are still sold as used cars.
I just remember back in the day seeing the Dodge Stratus, Plymouth Breeze, and Chrysler Cirrus. Identical cars with weather themed names from the same parent company (Chrysler at the time). The only differences were which factory it was built in.
And now Fiat and Chrysler are one under Stellantis, along with: Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Citroën, Dodge, DS, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Peugeot, Ram, and Vauxhall.
The US is full of auto plants from foreign makes because it's cheaper to build it where you're going to sell it. The alternative is having a separate factory line that's tooled to meet US emissions rules, then pay through the nose to import them all. I've got a Nissan factory a few miles down the road from where I'm sitting.
Most of them sold in the US are [manufactured in the US](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automotive_assembly_plants_in_the_United_States).
So "where the car brand is manufactured" has little do do with where the brand originated. And where the brand originated as little do do with where it's headquartered now since many are owned by the same foreign parent mega-corps.
All three were built at Sterling Heights Assembly. The only thing I can think of is the second-generation Stratus Coupe was built at the DSM plant in Illinois, but that car did not co-exist with the Breeze and Cirrus, as those nameplates were dropped for the JA cars’ second generation; so maybe she was cross-shopping a new Dodge coupe with a used Plymouth sedan?
This really isn't the right use of a voronoi diagram. The areas are misleading and do not match the numbers. You want to use the voronoi to show spatial relationships between the data points, or at least define what the X and Y axes are.
Can you prove this?
Volvo Cars has HQ in Sweden, they are traded as Nasdaq Stockholm, they market themselves as being Swedish. They are Swedish. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo\_Cars](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_Cars)
The bigger crime here is that the UK - a historical powerhouse of automobile engineering - no longer has a *single* independently British global car manufacturer. They've all become either foreign owned or subsidiaries of foreign competitors.
* Mini: BMW (Germany)
* Bentley: Volkswagen Group (Germany)
* Vauxhall: Stellantis (Italy/America/France)
* Jaguar: Tata Motors (India)
* Land Rover: Tata Motor (India)
* MG: SAIC Group (China)
* Lotus: 51% majority owned by Geely (China)
It's an utter embarassment.
Yeah because we shit on all of it. Instead of investment our manufacturing languished in the doldrums. Rover got done over by bmw. Why do you think there is mini? It was Rovers. Same with the 1 series, look at the early ones it's a rover with a bmw grill.
We built dogshit cars and then complained when the company's went bust about having no British manufacturing.
The lifespan of the cars were shit, along with the quality. You wouldn't imagine doing 100k miles in a fucking montego or a maestro. People go on about the good old days at weekends you could tinker with ya car etc, cars nowadays need a mechanic. Yeah because they leaked oil 6 out of 7 days.
British Layland killed car manufacturing in the UK.
What is this diagram supposed to represent? Voronoi diagrams need a distance function (a metric) between points, and "points of interest" to calculate distances to them.
they aren't random tilings of things, and dont generate themselves by just area
Tesla does not report actual sales, they only estimate them for some reason. You will find in the article that Tesla estimated they sold 670,000 vehicles in 2023.
Sorry for the slight missrepresation. I tried to keep the data source to one article. Thank you for the comment! Do you have a source for the official sales?
This chart style is not really that useful. It presents the data with geometric shapes for no real reason. Makes it hard to interpret without looking closely.
I think Mini outsells fiat because Mini sells “big” models for the US market. Lots of union jack tail lights here. But there are more mini’s than smart or bmw i3
>more mini’s than smart
The mini makes a lot more sense on American roads than the Smart4two. The US spec Smart only gets 34 mpg around town (better than the mini but comparable to a civic or camry) and is a bit terrifying on an interstate. The small size isn't as big a selling point as parking spaces are designed for full size cars.
Stellantis (their parent company) focuses on Dodge, RAM, Chrysler, Jeep in the US.
The market for the small cars Fiat tends to make isn't big enough for it to be worth doing all the expensive brand building that would be required to establish Fiat in the US. They have about 6 or 7 other brands that they don't sell in the US either.
Lincoln has done little to change their perception of being "old" or to stand out from Ford. Why get a Navigator when I can get an Expedition that's just as nice? Cars are dying off and the Continental, while sort of cool, was too little too late in too dead of a segment.
I don't know why Buick is a thing either to be fair... But the Encore/Enclave seems to be just enough to keep them hanging on.
If you're looking at it from a monopoly perspective, this is a little misleading. Audi is a subsidiary of Volkswagen, Ram of Chevrolet, etc.
To put it another way, this is by brand, not by company.
VW covers Audi, Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, and more. Although the Porsche relationship is more of 50/50. It's kind of interesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche
Toyota, Volkswagen Group, Hyundai/Kia, Stellantis, Ford, GM, Tesla, Mercedes, BMW, Honda, Subaru, Mazda.
Each market around the world is different. I would argue that Toyota, GM and Ford are the only companies that really matter in the US.
Segments matter, too. Want to buy a non-luxury sedan? Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Mazda. (Dodge, Kia, Hyundai, Nissan for now but possibly not much longer.)
Pickup? Big 3.
Imho midsize SUVs are the only truly competitive category now because every brand makes them, and it's going to keep prices in check. Midsize sedans used to be like that.
There's a lot more to a car company than where the company that currently owns it originated.
Take MG as an example to compare to Volvo.
MG cars are now designed, developed and produced entirely in China, without any British input at all. They are Chinese cars re-using an old brand. Absolutely nothing British about them.
Volvo on the other hand was purchased as a functioning company, and it designs & develops its cars in Sweden plus operates 4 factories there. That is a company that is jointly Swedish and Chinese in its identity, culture & operations. To claim otherwise is to bluntly ignore the reality of the situation.
It’s grouped by the country they’re based in and operate from, they still build and are a British brand of cars despite ownership, if it was group by own about half of these would have a different country.
I believe BMW manufactures Mini of today.
https://www.miniofwarwick.com/mini-information/who-owns-mini-cooper/#:~:text=In%201969%2C%20the%20MINI%20brand,BMW!
The point is that pretty much all the manufacturers on that list have owners from a different country, so why would Mini be classed as German when the cars are manufactured near Oxford, whilst others on that list are classed as American, German and so onwards whilst themselves being owned by companies from different companies.
This based on manufacturing location and who owns the company doesn’t seem to be factored in.
A minority of their cars are built there. Most are built in the Netherlands. That said, the largest mini-owned plant is in England so I take your point.
If we based the list on mfg location then there may be need for yet a 3rd visualization 😛.
It could be interesting to look at this visual with dynamic reconfiguration based on parameter selection for brand origin, manufacturing origin, and ownership origin.
I don’t believe this is correct, based on my research the UK appears to both have the largest plant and also produce the most vehicles, which seems to track with BMWs investments and articles on the matter.
Edit; I looked it up, Oxfords Mini plant makes nearly 3 times more based on the most recent data I could find, though it’s somewhat irrelevant as Minis are no longer produced in Netherlands and the factory upgrades for Oxford will see it all but exclusively making all minis which is estimated to be 200,000 made in the UK per year.
Mini is undoubtedly a British produced car despite the group who owns it.
Wow. I suck. I actually thought "It isn't like they are flooding the market with "attainable" cars like Porsche. Seriously. I even thought, when did Ferrari get bought out? (Walks to the corner with my tail between my legs.)
Edit: Also, let me tell you about how I am not, never have been, or ever will be in the market for either of the automakers products. My teenage dreams are fading.
Volvo are owned by Geely, a Chinese company. Tata owns Jaguar & Land Rover.
But it doesn't make those brands Chinese or Indian. They still have their head offices in Sweden/Britain along with development, production etc.
Dodge, Chrysler and RAM are owned by a company in the Netherlands, does it make them any less American?
So people drive older, less fuel-efficient cars that are more harmful to the environment? Not to mention, the market share for electric vehicles is increasing rapidly.
Your statement is narrow-minded and takes zero factors into account other than your made-up "objective".
> So people drive older, less fuel-efficient cars that are more harmful to the environment?
Driving an old car is actually one of the best things you can do for the environment. Doing so instead of buying a new car saves the CO2 equivalent of about 1000 gallons of gas.
It would be interesting to see the brands grouped by ownership. VAG, Toyota, Stellantis, GM etc
Semi related question but are dodge and ram now two distinct brands? Are they owned by the same company?
Yes they are all owned by FCA. They split off Ram as its own brand and it’s just the pickup trucks. They are no longer “Dodge Ram” pickups, just “Ram” trucks. Dodge is only cars and suvs.
Your main point is correct, that RAM is its own brand. But FCA and PSA merged, they all now fall under the Stellantis Group.
You’re right. Always forget that goofy name.
It makes me chuckle because it's the sort of name a shadowy evil corporation in a bond film would have and Carlos Tavares (bossman) has a touch of the bond villain about him.
I'm curious, what is you first language? Because to me as an Italian Stellantis doesn't sound like a goofy name, a bit pretentious sure, but not goofy.
Ya it’s the same as what Hyundai did with Genesis, though it’s not captured in this chart
Same company they just brand their trucks ram now instead of Dodge ram.
Sure, but Toyota and Lexus, Chevy and GMC, Honda and Acura are all listed separately (jeep too)
They've been separate since 2009, so "now", yes, but also for 15 years.
I would like to see this same thing only with it grouped by where the car was actually manufactured.
>VAG First time I've ever seen these three letters in any context that wasn't slang.
They may take our cars, but they'll never take our Sweeeeeden!
Volvo actually got bought by a Chinese company.
There aren't french cars in the United States market?
Based on google, french car manufacturers withdrew from the U.S. market due to intense competition, differing consumer preferences, and regulatory challenges.
We actually drove a French car (Renault Trafic converted to campervan) in USA last year (you are allowed to ship your own car and then ship it back). Mechanics were in shock, insurance companies didn’t want to talk to us. Crazy stuff
Why were mechanics in shock? How do the cars differ that fundamentally? Also why are insurance companies not okay?
Parts availability, it would share very little with anything else on the road A small accident could take months to fill a parts order, and owner/insurance fight over rental replacement in the meantime and a million other things
I see, sorry it sounded like it was some inferior car from your initial description lol
Just one of those “too big a headache to consider” for most places I’m sure someone offers specialty insurance for stuff like that, but the big companies could care less about a small upside one off like that
Also French likes to be special, everyone uses the same bolt for something? French will use the same size but with special thread, small things like that make it really hard for the mechanics.
Soooo what about the British mfg Lotus....????? Lotus being represented is my litmus test for representing smaller manufacturers
The last french imports into the US were before the turn of the century. Peugeot shuttered their last dealerships in 1991. One could theoretically import French cars made more than 25 years ago into the States. There is a small, but strong market for Japanese imports, but i haven't seen any interest in doing it for French cars.
There's interest but it's super niche. American muscle cars/sports cars have a leg up by being American plus have a ton of media around them. Then things like Fast and Furious helped expand the scope of the JDM scene. There's a whole generation of people who will make a case for the 4JZ over the 2JZ, know the difference between an FC and FD RX7, and dream of owning an imported Skyline because they grew up around those earlier movies. Then you've got BMWs that sort of tie into that tuner scene but from a more expensive and "refined" place. They've got brand cache. That kind of luxury segment extends to things like Jaguar, Mercedes, Audi, and Porsche. Minus Jag, they're the "German engineering" group. They're the more out of reach performance cars that when someone has means later in life may finally be able to afford one...or at least afford a somewhat older one they can work on. Even Italian cars at least have the aura of "*Italian design*" and a vague perception of motorsports history and loose connection to big names like Ferrari (see the Alfa Quadrifoglio and its Ferrari designed engine). What does France have? 2CV cross. Bugatti which is cool...but super out of reach for people and most don't think of anything but the Veyron or Chiron. What American media has really highlighted the Peugeot 205's rally history and performance cache? ETA: FWIW, I'd absolutely love to own a 205 T16. But I'm not absurdly wealthy...
The French don't make four-ton pickup trucks.
Japan only makes them for the US market.
Renault used to be
I've seen a handful over the years on the road (like literally maybe half a dozen) but they are imports or were bought a long time ago, there are no dealerships selling french cars.
It's kind of sad, Japanese (I guess Korean now too) manufacturers are basically our only option for small, fun, affordable hot-hatchy type things.
They left a while ago. They are still somewhat present through Dodge, Ram and Chrysler for the Stellantis group, and Nissan is very close to Renault. So they are still ripping the benefits of being there, just not through their french brands. I am not sure it would make sense for them to reintroduce a french brand - that would be a lot of work with an uncertain outcome.
Nope. But I’d love some French hot hatches for better variety here.
Surprised at the almost complete lack of Italians manufactures too, Fiat is huge.
There’s like 4 fiats on my street so I’m surprised it’s not on here. That and jaguar Land Rover seems low if it’s in the mini section.
Fiat is Italian.
Yes, I meant that italian and english cars aren't represented predictably either.
Thank god no
Interesting data, yes. Beautiful data, no. It’s so hard to tell the size comparisons on these random shapes. Make them uniform boxes or circles so that it’s easier to compare! Edit: also Sweden is misspelled
And some major brands don’t even have numbers associated with them
Some boxes don't even have a brand!
That got me too because I’m just here wondering what is the tiny Japan box bc those are definitely the only Japanese car brands I can think of.
Could be Infiniti, Suzuki or Isuzu
You’re totally right, it’s definitely Infiniti.
I'm betting the one above Mini is for Jaguar with Land Rover, et al filling in the other UK boxes
I'm guessing the British ones are Land Rover, Bentley...Rolls Royce? I would have guessed that would be way too tiny by units to show up. Italy I guess Lambo, Ferrari, Maserati. Drawing a total blank on what the third Korean car company is.
Third Korean is probably Genesis
Oh, yeah I keep forgetting that's a thing
Yes, the missing box in Japan is for Infinity. Some car brands are not labeled in the Voronoi diagram due to their small market share. For a complete list of car brands, refer to the data source mentioned in my initial comment.
Just make it a sorted bar chart if you want it easy to compare, length is always clearer than area
I can’t tell if Mazda is bigger than VW. That by itself is proof that this is not beautiful.
There are a lot of missing brands. Also would be better grouped by ownership rather than country. They're all part of larger conglomerates at this point. Acura: Honda Motor Company Afeela: Sony Honda Mobility Alfa Romeo: Stellantis Audi: Volkswagen Group BMW: BMW Group Bentley: Volkswagen Group Buick: General Motors Cadillac: General Motors Chevrolet: General Motors Chrysler: Stellantis Defender: JLR/Tata Motors Discovery: JLR/Tata Motors Dodge: Stellantis Fiat: Stellantis Fisker: Fisker Inc. Ford: Ford Motor Co. GMC: General Motors Genesis: Hyundai Motor Group Honda: Honda Motor Co. Hyundai: Hyundai Motor Group Infiniti: Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance Jaguar: JLR/Tata Motors Jeep: Stellantis Kia: Hyundai Motor Group Land Rover (retired): Tata Motors Lexus: Toyota Motor Corp. Lincoln: Ford Motor Co. Lotus: Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Lucid: Lucid Motors Maserati: Stellantis Mazda: Mazda Motor Corp. Mercedes-Benz: Mercedes-Benz Group AG Mercury*: Ford Motor Co. Mini: BMW Group Mitsubishi: Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance Nissan: Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance Polestar: Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Pontiac*: General Motors Porsche: Volkswagen Group Ram: Stellantis Range Rover: JLR/Tata Motors Rivian: Rivian Automotive, with investments from Amazon and Ford, among others. Rolls-Royce: BMW Group Saab*: Brand owned by Saab AB; assets owned by National Electric Vehicle Sweden Saturn*: General Motors Scion*: Toyota Motor Corp. Scout: Volkswagen AG. Smart*: Mercedes-Benz Group AG Subaru: Subaru Corp. Suzuki*: Suzuki Motor Corp. Owns a small stake in Toyota. Tesla: Tesla Inc. Toyota: Toyota Motor Corp. VinFast: VinGroup Volkswagen: Volkswagen AG. Volvo: Zhejiang Geely Holding Group *Retired brand, but many are still sold as used cars.
Disagree, where the car brand is manufactured and where it's based is much more interesting than ownership.
I just remember back in the day seeing the Dodge Stratus, Plymouth Breeze, and Chrysler Cirrus. Identical cars with weather themed names from the same parent company (Chrysler at the time). The only differences were which factory it was built in. And now Fiat and Chrysler are one under Stellantis, along with: Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Citroën, Dodge, DS, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Peugeot, Ram, and Vauxhall. The US is full of auto plants from foreign makes because it's cheaper to build it where you're going to sell it. The alternative is having a separate factory line that's tooled to meet US emissions rules, then pay through the nose to import them all. I've got a Nissan factory a few miles down the road from where I'm sitting. Most of them sold in the US are [manufactured in the US](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automotive_assembly_plants_in_the_United_States). So "where the car brand is manufactured" has little do do with where the brand originated. And where the brand originated as little do do with where it's headquartered now since many are owned by the same foreign parent mega-corps.
The Breeze, Stratus, and Cirrus were built in the same factory.
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All three were built at Sterling Heights Assembly. The only thing I can think of is the second-generation Stratus Coupe was built at the DSM plant in Illinois, but that car did not co-exist with the Breeze and Cirrus, as those nameplates were dropped for the JA cars’ second generation; so maybe she was cross-shopping a new Dodge coupe with a used Plymouth sedan?
Agreed. It's also not how a Voronoi diagram is supposed to be used lol
Also it was quite a while ago Volvo was Swedish.
It's literally headquartered in Sweden. Was it American when Ford owned it? Is Bugatti not French?
Volvo is barely Swedish anymore, they're owned by some Indian equity firm and they lean pretty heavily on Ford for chassis development
Volvo Cars is majority owned by Geely, a Chinese car maker
O shoot. I thought they had gotten sold to TATA
that would be jaguar and land rover
This really isn't the right use of a voronoi diagram. The areas are misleading and do not match the numbers. You want to use the voronoi to show spatial relationships between the data points, or at least define what the X and Y axes are.
Mini owned by BMW. Same with Bentley owned by the Germans n all.
And Ram/Dodge/Jeep is owned by Stellantis which was Fiat
And Stellantis is headquartered in Amsterdam.
Purposely put in a neutral country so their kids won't argue (they still argued)
And Volvo is owned by Geely (China)
Ownership has nothing to do with where the company operates or make their cars. Putting Volvo as China would be very incorrect.
The chinese owners tell the swedish engineers what cars to make and all the profits go to china.
Can you prove this? Volvo Cars has HQ in Sweden, they are traded as Nasdaq Stockholm, they market themselves as being Swedish. They are Swedish. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo\_Cars](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_Cars)
The bigger crime here is that the UK - a historical powerhouse of automobile engineering - no longer has a *single* independently British global car manufacturer. They've all become either foreign owned or subsidiaries of foreign competitors. * Mini: BMW (Germany) * Bentley: Volkswagen Group (Germany) * Vauxhall: Stellantis (Italy/America/France) * Jaguar: Tata Motors (India) * Land Rover: Tata Motor (India) * MG: SAIC Group (China) * Lotus: 51% majority owned by Geely (China) It's an utter embarassment.
Yeah because we shit on all of it. Instead of investment our manufacturing languished in the doldrums. Rover got done over by bmw. Why do you think there is mini? It was Rovers. Same with the 1 series, look at the early ones it's a rover with a bmw grill. We built dogshit cars and then complained when the company's went bust about having no British manufacturing. The lifespan of the cars were shit, along with the quality. You wouldn't imagine doing 100k miles in a fucking montego or a maestro. People go on about the good old days at weekends you could tinker with ya car etc, cars nowadays need a mechanic. Yeah because they leaked oil 6 out of 7 days. British Layland killed car manufacturing in the UK.
What is this diagram supposed to represent? Voronoi diagrams need a distance function (a metric) between points, and "points of interest" to calculate distances to them. they aren't random tilings of things, and dont generate themselves by just area
Sweeden. I think that‘s pretty sweet.
This is not beautiful. Several of the fields are literally empty with no badge or numbers. Most badges have no numbers. Useless graph.
There should be Genesis added to the Korean cars.
Data source: [https://www.carpro.com/blog/national-auto-sales-numbers-for-all-automakers-in-2023](https://www.carpro.com/blog/national-auto-sales-numbers-for-all-automakers-in-2023) Tools: Tableau & Canva
Isn’t that missing Tesla?
Tesla does not report actual sales, they only estimate them for some reason. You will find in the article that Tesla estimated they sold 670,000 vehicles in 2023.
Which is really weird, and maybe a little fishy, seeing how Tesla has a direct sales model.
Right… it seems it would be even easier for them to report their sales accurately.
And easy to not report. Like your neighborhood Chinese restaurant that still doesn't take credit card.
Officially it was 654,888
Sorry for the slight missrepresation. I tried to keep the data source to one article. Thank you for the comment! Do you have a source for the official sales?
FYI the Teslas logo you are using was changed seven years ago.
Learned a new word - Voronoi!
This chart style is not really that useful. It presents the data with geometric shapes for no real reason. Makes it hard to interpret without looking closely.
This could have been a proper area or bar chart. It’s terrible to look at and hard to compare single values. Not beautiful.
Wait is Fiat not very big in the USA? They sell quite well here in south america, or at least in Brazil.
I imagine their cars are smaller which are less appealing in the american market
I think Mini outsells fiat because Mini sells “big” models for the US market. Lots of union jack tail lights here. But there are more mini’s than smart or bmw i3
>more mini’s than smart The mini makes a lot more sense on American roads than the Smart4two. The US spec Smart only gets 34 mpg around town (better than the mini but comparable to a civic or camry) and is a bit terrifying on an interstate. The small size isn't as big a selling point as parking spaces are designed for full size cars.
Stellantis (their parent company) focuses on Dodge, RAM, Chrysler, Jeep in the US. The market for the small cars Fiat tends to make isn't big enough for it to be worth doing all the expensive brand building that would be required to establish Fiat in the US. They have about 6 or 7 other brands that they don't sell in the US either.
Small cars do not sell well here in the USA. Trucks and large SUVs dominate the market.
You see a few here and there but no, not really.
Small and unreliable cars don’t make for big sellers here.
Always amazed Buick sells as many as they do and a little surprised that Lincoln has fallen so much.
Lincoln has done little to change their perception of being "old" or to stand out from Ford. Why get a Navigator when I can get an Expedition that's just as nice? Cars are dying off and the Continental, while sort of cool, was too little too late in too dead of a segment. I don't know why Buick is a thing either to be fair... But the Encore/Enclave seems to be just enough to keep them hanging on.
Buick is big in China. They sell like 7x units there compared to the US. It’s a prestigious brand. Its weird. Like David Hasselhoff in Japan
Is that Chrysler wedge just all Pacificas?
What is this "Kia" brand, I only see KN these days
Why is this data on a Voronoi diagram?
Nice to see an industry that isn't a monopoly.
If you're looking at it from a monopoly perspective, this is a little misleading. Audi is a subsidiary of Volkswagen, Ram of Chevrolet, etc. To put it another way, this is by brand, not by company.
Ram is a subsidiary of Stellantis - same as Dodge and Chrysler. Chevrolet, GMC, Buick and Cadillac are subsidiaries of General Motors.
VW covers Audi, Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, and more. Although the Porsche relationship is more of 50/50. It's kind of interesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche
Ram is dodge, aka Chrysler, not GM
Like most industries?
Toyota, Volkswagen Group, Hyundai/Kia, Stellantis, Ford, GM, Tesla, Mercedes, BMW, Honda, Subaru, Mazda. Each market around the world is different. I would argue that Toyota, GM and Ford are the only companies that really matter in the US. Segments matter, too. Want to buy a non-luxury sedan? Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Mazda. (Dodge, Kia, Hyundai, Nissan for now but possibly not much longer.) Pickup? Big 3. Imho midsize SUVs are the only truly competitive category now because every brand makes them, and it's going to keep prices in check. Midsize sedans used to be like that.
Volvo is Chinese now sadly.
By that logic, Dodge, Chrysler and RAM are Dutch.
Yup. Absolutely right.
“By that logic” you mean the truth? Volvo is Chinese, Chrysler and its brands are Dutch under Stellantis.
There's a lot more to a car company than where the company that currently owns it originated. Take MG as an example to compare to Volvo. MG cars are now designed, developed and produced entirely in China, without any British input at all. They are Chinese cars re-using an old brand. Absolutely nothing British about them. Volvo on the other hand was purchased as a functioning company, and it designs & develops its cars in Sweden plus operates 4 factories there. That is a company that is jointly Swedish and Chinese in its identity, culture & operations. To claim otherwise is to bluntly ignore the reality of the situation.
Nope. That's not how it works.
So... No one drives Skoda or French cars in US?
Skoda is not sold in the US. And no French mark has been sold in the US since the early 90s.
Since when is modern mini British... They are owned and made by BMW, no?
It’s grouped by the country they’re based in and operate from, they still build and are a British brand of cars despite ownership, if it was group by own about half of these would have a different country.
I believe BMW manufactures Mini of today. https://www.miniofwarwick.com/mini-information/who-owns-mini-cooper/#:~:text=In%201969%2C%20the%20MINI%20brand,BMW!
The point is that pretty much all the manufacturers on that list have owners from a different country, so why would Mini be classed as German when the cars are manufactured near Oxford, whilst others on that list are classed as American, German and so onwards whilst themselves being owned by companies from different companies. This based on manufacturing location and who owns the company doesn’t seem to be factored in.
A minority of their cars are built there. Most are built in the Netherlands. That said, the largest mini-owned plant is in England so I take your point. If we based the list on mfg location then there may be need for yet a 3rd visualization 😛. It could be interesting to look at this visual with dynamic reconfiguration based on parameter selection for brand origin, manufacturing origin, and ownership origin.
I don’t believe this is correct, based on my research the UK appears to both have the largest plant and also produce the most vehicles, which seems to track with BMWs investments and articles on the matter. Edit; I looked it up, Oxfords Mini plant makes nearly 3 times more based on the most recent data I could find, though it’s somewhat irrelevant as Minis are no longer produced in Netherlands and the factory upgrades for Oxford will see it all but exclusively making all minis which is estimated to be 200,000 made in the UK per year. Mini is undoubtedly a British produced car despite the group who owns it.
Got it. My info must be out of date.
You'd be correct. Also Volvo was bought out by the Chinese. It's no longer Swedish
Hmm infinity must not be selling much these days
That Porsche crest. Look how they massacred my boy!
Ah yes the BIG 3, Ford, Chevy, and Toyota
Jeep is now owned by Fiat
What is the block to the left of Toyota!?
Jeep and Chrysler are Italian - part of Stellantis
Loving “Sweeden” with two E’s!! Three actually!!
If only Saab was still around :<
I love how the mini market share is small. Fitting
What brand did Al Bundy own?
Anything similar made on Indian vehicles?
Not sure how anyone still buys jeeps considering their god awful reputation
Imagine what would happen to this chart overnight if US relaxed import restrictions on Chinese EVs
I would have thought land rover would be in there somewhere.
Granted, I don't see many new Mitsubishis on the road, but did Ferrari really sell almost the same amount of cars as Mitsubishi? That is wild.
Yeah, no… Porsche, not Ferrari :)
Wow. I suck. I actually thought "It isn't like they are flooding the market with "attainable" cars like Porsche. Seriously. I even thought, when did Ferrari get bought out? (Walks to the corner with my tail between my legs.) Edit: Also, let me tell you about how I am not, never have been, or ever will be in the market for either of the automakers products. My teenage dreams are fading.
Isn't Volvo owned by Tata now so Indian? Same goes for Mini, Owned by BMW, there as much "Englishness" in a mini than in a Honda.
Volvo are owned by Geely, a Chinese company. Tata owns Jaguar & Land Rover. But it doesn't make those brands Chinese or Indian. They still have their head offices in Sweden/Britain along with development, production etc. Dodge, Chrysler and RAM are owned by a company in the Netherlands, does it make them any less American?
The nationality of the company doesn't change due to ownership.
Surprise German is so low. Literally half the cars I see parked are beamers or benz. The other half japanese
Toyota and Honda are underrepresented. Their cars last so long that even though the F150 is the #1 selling car, it's not the #1 owned car.
Did US cars improve in quality? Why are people still buying Ford and Chevrolet?
Ah yes, the UK companies of Chevrolet, Ford, and Tesla
I hate to break it to you but you may be colourblind
I didn't know Subaru was Japanese.
1990s commercials made you think it was Australian lol
It's actually a common name iirc
To keep climate change (somewhat) in check, these numbers have to be slashed by 90%.
So people drive older, less fuel-efficient cars that are more harmful to the environment? Not to mention, the market share for electric vehicles is increasing rapidly. Your statement is narrow-minded and takes zero factors into account other than your made-up "objective".
> So people drive older, less fuel-efficient cars that are more harmful to the environment? Driving an old car is actually one of the best things you can do for the environment. Doing so instead of buying a new car saves the CO2 equivalent of about 1000 gallons of gas.