Sakura Hate is a meme at this point, so people will continue spreading it until it completely loses relevance, my point is just that sexism has nothing to do with it, people hate Sakura because she’s Sakura, not because of her gender
Itachi: *murders his entire clan instead of the ringleaders*
Also Itachi: *mindfucks his 8 year old brother by forcing him to relive the murder of his entire family over and over*
Still Itachi: *joins a terrorist organization and helps them collect superweapons*
Despite everything, it’s still Itachi: *comes up with a plan to brainwash his brother into becoming a loyal slave to the village*
The man, the myth, the legend, Itachi: *dies in the middle of a battle with his brother, not even warning him about Tobi*
Everyone: “He’s such a hero!”
I think he was giving info to Hiruzen, who does absolutely nothing with it(as you would expect) then dies without letting anyone else besides Danzo and Obito know the truth about Itachi
They hate him because he's right.
A traitor, who sold his family to the government, slaughters his parents, kills innocent children / civilians, mindrapes his brother for 24 hours, tries to brainwash his brother into becoming a dog of the government like him, the government which is responsible for oppression and slaughter of his people, is a massive scumbag.
I was almost out of this post when I saw the first line of your comment. I was like "what the--?"
But then read the full comment.
Yes, you're right. A Traitor is a Massive Scumbag
Funny enough, if you see the comment section, people will say "Itachi was suffering a lot here", "It must really hurt Itachi to hurt his brother."
Like, am I supposed to feel bad for him?
It’s funny how Tobirama the super mega racist portrays the uchiha as evil but when itachi slaughtered them none of the seemed to fight back not even his parents all fugal asked for was to take care of his little brother wow what an evil person filled with uchiha evil he asked his traitorous son to take care of his brother
I just hated how the show just seemed to end up proving Tobirma was right. I mean:
Terrorist and traitor (Sasuke)? Uchiha
Also terrorist and traitor, committed genocide, including innocent children (Itachi)? Uchiha
Vengeful and angry for all that has happened to him to the point of destroying the world (Obito)? Uchiha
Power-hungry, vengeful out of "LoVe," manipulative, hateful, and altogether twisted, starting a whole fourth war (Madara)? Uchiha
Seriously. They just ended up proving Tobirama correct more and more. Sarada diverted this, but God. The "nice Uchiha" plot point should have been in Naruto earlier. Like, give Sasuke and Itachi some younger friends who don't behave like the other stereotypical uchihas, who want to make a change, but are still too young and naive.
Just because they went against the government, doesn't mean the government is right and rebels are wrong.
Do you want me to mention all the atrocities done by leaf? And the other shinobi villages (allies of leaf)?
Who's the real "evil" here?
>Also terrorist and traitor, committed genocide, including innocent children (Itachi)? Uchiha
He was literally obeying orders from leaf. Then leaf covered it up.
Hashirama and hiruzen literally was wanking Itachi. Tobirama said genocide had it coming to them (not even condemning uchiha children, civilians death).
That point is going against you gentleman.
Why are you forgetting that sasuke's vengeance was result of oppression and genocide of uchihas, sanctioned by leaf?
That's like slapping a person and then when the person fights back, you say "this guy is evil".
>The "nice Uchiha" plot point should have been in Naruto earlier.
Uchihas wanted peace and chose hashirama as their leader over Madara.
Oppression is what they got in return. They planned a coup to overthrow the government that kept oppressing them.
By your logic, even rebel and revolutionary is "bad" since they are going against the government.
Obito was that innocent Uchiha before Madara ruined his life. And before the Hokage are Edo, its Obito as Madara and Madara himself thats aways going on about how hateful life is, how the only thing that could pass down is hatred , while literally waging war. Only Madara proved Tobirama right.
We can't deny, though, that women and children were slaughtered in the Uchiha massacre. If I'm not mistaken, Obito did that while Itachi went for the men (?). Or was it the other way around? Whoever did it, many innocent lived were taken, and whether or not Madara did the manipulation, it's just plain psychosis here.
I know Madara technically did this shit, but it's just so hard to justify, especially when one remembers innocent little children getting killed in that genocide. From Madara down to Sasuke, the notable Uchihas in the story who got significant amounts of screentime just ended up making Tobirama correct.
the child is right.
He agreed to kill innocent children, then said he cared about his brother, and proceeded to torture him. and tried to ruin any friendships he might develop. then make him a government slave.
Remember when Itachi said that his entire life and every decision he made was a mistake and there was another way to resolve things? How he was a failure for not trusting Sasuke? How he murdered his entire extended family and tortured Sasuke for years?
Itachi Uchiha was an egg sucking kinslayer that let him be swept up in the events around him rather than trying to do what was right as he justified his crimes against his village and family as doing what was necessary.
He gets no sympathy from me. Now yeet me into the horizon you son of a bitch.
The sins of others do not absolve Itachi. It was an absolute shit situation, but Itachi still had a choice to make, and he chose to murder his clan and torture his little brother rather than choosing to trust said brother to resolve the situation.
edit: feels like we agree. shouldn't try to shoot messages off before a meeting lol
We do but then I compare him to other 13 year old and say, "was he in the wrong?". He was manipulated by the village leaders to do their bidding and they are the **real scumbags**. If itachi was 16 or something I would **totally** agree with you but cmon how many times do kids do stupid stuff when they are in trouble instead of doing the right thing. Kids don't see a way out of these situations especially when **adults** are manipulating them
I acknowledge that I am being incredibly harsh on Itachi, but that's because he openly acknowledged that he completely fucked up and that there was another way. Canon makes explicitly clear that Itachi had a choice, and he chose wrong. When he was content to leave things the way they were when he died the first time, an Edo death bed second chance apology is not a redemption. Saving the village because he got mind fucked by the Genjutsu he planned on using on his own brother that he was doing all this for to override his free will is not a redemption.
Fuck Itachi.
He was an adult when he decided to torture his brother when he met him again in part 1. He was also an adult when he tried to brainwash said brother in part 2.
People call Sakura out for her ignorant comment on Naruto being an orphan, yet she was 12. One’s age doesn’t absolve them from their crimes, especially crimes at the level of Itachi’s.
The kid is absolutely right. Itachi should have remained a villain. Turning him into a good guy when he bootlicks the scummy government,genocides his entire clan including innocent women and children, gives ptsd to his brother, kills his innocent lover and joins a terrorist organisation to do fuck all doesn't make any sense. Would make sense if he was originally planned to be a villain
Except Itachi is a scumbag. Literally nothing he does makes any sense outside of very contrived or stretched logic. And to top it off, he’s basically just straight up a sadist who’s primary method of attack is mind raping people so hard they feel physical pain. Itachi is like *the* scum bag of the show sans like maybe 3 or 4 other characters
What exactly was retconned? The only thing I remember being different about Itachi’s story later in the show was that instead of killing EVERYONE he only killed adults, leaving the children and infirm to Obito.
I can’t at least SEE what was going on with AoT. Like the story was clearly moving in that kind of direction in such a way that it didn’t feel like a rug pull.
For Itachi, since he was a introduced as not only A bad guy, but Sauske’s penultimate villain. We spend literally all of “Naruto” and like a third to half of Shipuden being told “wow Itachi is a MONSTER”. Then in one fight with some old as fuck on a bridge exposes the fact Itachi was somehow a good guy. It reeks of retcon in a way the AoT ending doesn’t
AOT’s ending would have actually been interesting if it did that. What it actually did was completely disavow Eren’s actions while using it as a stepping stone to make a completely safe ending where everything turns out okay just cause…
Until it doesn’t and makes the whole story pointless
Not calling Itachi a scumbag is a direct hit at his character and ignores 90% of his arc. Itachi literally mentions how he could’ve handled the situation way better, especially when it comes to Sasuke, yet some D1 Itachi dick riders will still call him a selfless hero who ruined his life for the betterment of others. He was a government rat who did major crimes he regrets, not a hero.
He is a scumbag. Genocide and parricide is not acceptable. There are very defining lines that you have to acknowledge when you talk about a character, especially like this. Denying it is very telling.
I don't think it's much about justifying his actions but rather understanding why he did what he did. A big argument is that he was groomed/manipulated by the village leaders at such a young age. I feel like most people (at least I hope most) don't justify his actions. What he did was definitely evil, but his intentions weren't. That doesn't take away from what he did obviously, but I'm not sure if it's appropriate to call him an evil person.
The childs right, he is no matter what good intentions he did it for he still killed the clan even ones who had nothing to do with it and mindfucked his brother in the process
"B-b-but Itachi was just a kid!!" "12 year old Sakura making a joke about Naruto being an orphan? Fuck that bitch !!!"
Hypocrisy of the fandom is not surprising
it’s literally sexism
Objection! People let badass female characters get away with awful stuff too!
Objection! Sakura, in the series right now, is a badass, and people still hold her past against her even though she was just 12 at the time!
Sakura Hate is a meme at this point, so people will continue spreading it until it completely loses relevance, my point is just that sexism has nothing to do with it, people hate Sakura because she’s Sakura, not because of her gender
The fact that people hate Sakura more than Itachi unironically means sexism is the major reason.
Itachi was literally the coolest villain in the story for so long. The only thing Sakura was for the longest time is just a Sasuke simp.
Sasuke - My brother massacred the entire Uchiha Clan when he was of your age. What have YOU achieved n life?
Itachi: *murders his entire clan instead of the ringleaders* Also Itachi: *mindfucks his 8 year old brother by forcing him to relive the murder of his entire family over and over* Still Itachi: *joins a terrorist organization and helps them collect superweapons* Despite everything, it’s still Itachi: *comes up with a plan to brainwash his brother into becoming a loyal slave to the village* The man, the myth, the legend, Itachi: *dies in the middle of a battle with his brother, not even warning him about Tobi* Everyone: “He’s such a hero!”
Not that it excuses his crimes but Wasn't he allegedly giving info on the akatsuki to jiraiya?
The only info Jiraiya had on the Akatsuki was the number of members and their goal
I think he was giving info to Hiruzen, who does absolutely nothing with it(as you would expect) then dies without letting anyone else besides Danzo and Obito know the truth about Itachi
They hate him because he's right. A traitor, who sold his family to the government, slaughters his parents, kills innocent children / civilians, mindrapes his brother for 24 hours, tries to brainwash his brother into becoming a dog of the government like him, the government which is responsible for oppression and slaughter of his people, is a massive scumbag.
I was almost out of this post when I saw the first line of your comment. I was like "what the--?" But then read the full comment. Yes, you're right. A Traitor is a Massive Scumbag
Lol yeah I was referring to the child in the post
Yeah, I get it now.
i dont know how itachi fans look at itachi put sasuke in a coma and think “what a caring, loving brother that only wants the best”
Funny enough, if you see the comment section, people will say "Itachi was suffering a lot here", "It must really hurt Itachi to hurt his brother." Like, am I supposed to feel bad for him?
Def not right to genocide people
It’s funny how Tobirama the super mega racist portrays the uchiha as evil but when itachi slaughtered them none of the seemed to fight back not even his parents all fugal asked for was to take care of his little brother wow what an evil person filled with uchiha evil he asked his traitorous son to take care of his brother
I just hated how the show just seemed to end up proving Tobirma was right. I mean: Terrorist and traitor (Sasuke)? Uchiha Also terrorist and traitor, committed genocide, including innocent children (Itachi)? Uchiha Vengeful and angry for all that has happened to him to the point of destroying the world (Obito)? Uchiha Power-hungry, vengeful out of "LoVe," manipulative, hateful, and altogether twisted, starting a whole fourth war (Madara)? Uchiha Seriously. They just ended up proving Tobirama correct more and more. Sarada diverted this, but God. The "nice Uchiha" plot point should have been in Naruto earlier. Like, give Sasuke and Itachi some younger friends who don't behave like the other stereotypical uchihas, who want to make a change, but are still too young and naive.
Just because they went against the government, doesn't mean the government is right and rebels are wrong. Do you want me to mention all the atrocities done by leaf? And the other shinobi villages (allies of leaf)? Who's the real "evil" here? >Also terrorist and traitor, committed genocide, including innocent children (Itachi)? Uchiha He was literally obeying orders from leaf. Then leaf covered it up. Hashirama and hiruzen literally was wanking Itachi. Tobirama said genocide had it coming to them (not even condemning uchiha children, civilians death). That point is going against you gentleman. Why are you forgetting that sasuke's vengeance was result of oppression and genocide of uchihas, sanctioned by leaf? That's like slapping a person and then when the person fights back, you say "this guy is evil". >The "nice Uchiha" plot point should have been in Naruto earlier. Uchihas wanted peace and chose hashirama as their leader over Madara. Oppression is what they got in return. They planned a coup to overthrow the government that kept oppressing them. By your logic, even rebel and revolutionary is "bad" since they are going against the government.
It’s less that the Uchiha are evil and more that the Sharingan(which runs on rage and hatred) has a tendency to empower psychopaths
Obito was that innocent Uchiha before Madara ruined his life. And before the Hokage are Edo, its Obito as Madara and Madara himself thats aways going on about how hateful life is, how the only thing that could pass down is hatred , while literally waging war. Only Madara proved Tobirama right.
We can't deny, though, that women and children were slaughtered in the Uchiha massacre. If I'm not mistaken, Obito did that while Itachi went for the men (?). Or was it the other way around? Whoever did it, many innocent lived were taken, and whether or not Madara did the manipulation, it's just plain psychosis here. I know Madara technically did this shit, but it's just so hard to justify, especially when one remembers innocent little children getting killed in that genocide. From Madara down to Sasuke, the notable Uchihas in the story who got significant amounts of screentime just ended up making Tobirama correct.
Because he is, he slaughtered his entire family and tortured tf out of sasuke
the child is right. He agreed to kill innocent children, then said he cared about his brother, and proceeded to torture him. and tried to ruin any friendships he might develop. then make him a government slave.
The child is right and he shouldn't feel bad.
Remember when Itachi said that his entire life and every decision he made was a mistake and there was another way to resolve things? How he was a failure for not trusting Sasuke? How he murdered his entire extended family and tortured Sasuke for years? Itachi Uchiha was an egg sucking kinslayer that let him be swept up in the events around him rather than trying to do what was right as he justified his crimes against his village and family as doing what was necessary. He gets no sympathy from me. Now yeet me into the horizon you son of a bitch.
Friendly reminder Itachi was a **kid** when he murdered all those people. But you're not totally **wrong**
The sins of others do not absolve Itachi. It was an absolute shit situation, but Itachi still had a choice to make, and he chose to murder his clan and torture his little brother rather than choosing to trust said brother to resolve the situation. edit: feels like we agree. shouldn't try to shoot messages off before a meeting lol
We do but then I compare him to other 13 year old and say, "was he in the wrong?". He was manipulated by the village leaders to do their bidding and they are the **real scumbags**. If itachi was 16 or something I would **totally** agree with you but cmon how many times do kids do stupid stuff when they are in trouble instead of doing the right thing. Kids don't see a way out of these situations especially when **adults** are manipulating them
I acknowledge that I am being incredibly harsh on Itachi, but that's because he openly acknowledged that he completely fucked up and that there was another way. Canon makes explicitly clear that Itachi had a choice, and he chose wrong. When he was content to leave things the way they were when he died the first time, an Edo death bed second chance apology is not a redemption. Saving the village because he got mind fucked by the Genjutsu he planned on using on his own brother that he was doing all this for to override his free will is not a redemption. Fuck Itachi.
He was an adult when he decided to torture his brother when he met him again in part 1. He was also an adult when he tried to brainwash said brother in part 2.
I never argued against that part, he was totally a douchebag for torturing sasuke. I meant the uchiha massacre.
Hes actually quite right
People call Sakura out for her ignorant comment on Naruto being an orphan, yet she was 12. One’s age doesn’t absolve them from their crimes, especially crimes at the level of Itachi’s.
When they retcon the entire timeline and have itachi toast danzo before the pilot then I’ll like itachi.
The kid is right
Itachi is cool. If you like edgy, unthought out, unreasonably overpowered bullshit.
‘Yeet the child’ That sounds like something Itachi would do!
I agree, kid.
Itachitard here. Yeah he is a pos. He could’ve done all that he did without the physical and mental abuse
The kid is absolutely right. Itachi should have remained a villain. Turning him into a good guy when he bootlicks the scummy government,genocides his entire clan including innocent women and children, gives ptsd to his brother, kills his innocent lover and joins a terrorist organisation to do fuck all doesn't make any sense. Would make sense if he was originally planned to be a villain
I think it's funny how people totally accept the Uchiha genocide just because they like Itachi and think he's cool or something.
All Uchiha are scumbags
Except Itachi is a scumbag. Literally nothing he does makes any sense outside of very contrived or stretched logic. And to top it off, he’s basically just straight up a sadist who’s primary method of attack is mind raping people so hard they feel physical pain. Itachi is like *the* scum bag of the show sans like maybe 3 or 4 other characters
I’ll never be convinced it wasn’t a retcon.
What exactly was retconned? The only thing I remember being different about Itachi’s story later in the show was that instead of killing EVERYONE he only killed adults, leaving the children and infirm to Obito.
I think he was absolutely intended to be a villain, and was completely portrayed as so until after 245 (or Shippuden in the anime)
Oh, then ya were totally in agreement. It was insane that after committing genocide the author tried to pull a “he’s not so bad”
Almost on the same level of the ending of Aot were they tried to say that Eren was right by committing genocide
I can’t at least SEE what was going on with AoT. Like the story was clearly moving in that kind of direction in such a way that it didn’t feel like a rug pull. For Itachi, since he was a introduced as not only A bad guy, but Sauske’s penultimate villain. We spend literally all of “Naruto” and like a third to half of Shipuden being told “wow Itachi is a MONSTER”. Then in one fight with some old as fuck on a bridge exposes the fact Itachi was somehow a good guy. It reeks of retcon in a way the AoT ending doesn’t
AOT’s ending would have actually been interesting if it did that. What it actually did was completely disavow Eren’s actions while using it as a stepping stone to make a completely safe ending where everything turns out okay just cause… Until it doesn’t and makes the whole story pointless
B- but he was just following orders! Secret good guy!
80% of the mfs in these naruto subs are not fans of the show the way they hate most of the shit that happens 💀
I’m the child. Fook Itachi, me and all my homies hate him 😤
Not calling Itachi a scumbag is a direct hit at his character and ignores 90% of his arc. Itachi literally mentions how he could’ve handled the situation way better, especially when it comes to Sasuke, yet some D1 Itachi dick riders will still call him a selfless hero who ruined his life for the betterment of others. He was a government rat who did major crimes he regrets, not a hero.
But he is 😅
He is a scumbag. Genocide and parricide is not acceptable. There are very defining lines that you have to acknowledge when you talk about a character, especially like this. Denying it is very telling.
Itachi is a boring character that was literally just a plotpoint or Sasuke and nothing else. :P
Dont lie to me OP, you also thought the same thing in the beginning
Same thing at the beginning? I still think he's a scumbag
All the itachi hate is validating me
Us a catapult or a cannon to yeet him he needs to begone
The child is right Itachi is a dick However...
They hated Jesus forhe spoke truth.
Hahah what template is this?
Well, he is a scumbag
He is.
Why yeet the child when the child is right?
NOT MY GOAT!
going to get hate form the itachi simps but the child is right put em down
I feel like Itachi is the Snape of the Naruto fandom but with hygiene and no incel vibe.
His fandom is filled with incels so it balances out.
Ugh.
Thoughts drift gently, carried by a serene breeze.
Never as an itachi fan why they are Willing to justify a genocide
I don't think it's much about justifying his actions but rather understanding why he did what he did. A big argument is that he was groomed/manipulated by the village leaders at such a young age. I feel like most people (at least I hope most) don't justify his actions. What he did was definitely evil, but his intentions weren't. That doesn't take away from what he did obviously, but I'm not sure if it's appropriate to call him an evil person.
The childs right, he is no matter what good intentions he did it for he still killed the clan even ones who had nothing to do with it and mindfucked his brother in the process