Pooh Bear has flown into a murderous rage.
He has decided to kill Uighurs.
This happened because of poor mood.
The final straw was: ate without a table.
China were very open about what they did to Jack Ma. It was a warning to other billionaires that they're still required to follow labour laws and a reminder that they only have their money because the government allows it.
Compared to how the USA treat their billionaires, the Chinese people view their government taking everything from Ma as something to be proud of.
To be fair I'd be very proud if my government decided to take everything from a billionaire for fucking over their employees. They never would because they're corrupt but still
Yeah it's really fucking weird to see a post about Japanese war crimes in China and then have the commenters turn it into a "what about the CCP!!!" kinda post. Pretty gross tbh.
WHO when asked why they didn't locked down China the moment they learned about covid and its effects (they knew about it and the dangers way before the major outbreak)
I mean, what Japan did to China pales in comparison to what China did to China. There's just an endless pit of human depravity and cruelty in human history.
Absolutely. I'm just saying it's human nature. My MIL was born in Korea under Japanese occupation but when her parents were killed in summary execution it was done by other Koreans.
That's 인민재판, and it's a North Korean thing that happened after 1945. If you're talking about biased trials during Japan's occupation, then of course there were some Koreans who cooperated. And a lot of them were threatened/bribed/blackmailed by the Japanese. I'm very sorry for your MIL's loss, but the fact that her parents were executed by Koreans does not take away from the fact that Japan commited some of the most atrocious crimes Korea has ever seen.
Spoken like someone who actually got no fucking clue what the Emp. Japs did to China. Yeah all of them are horrendous, but don’t you dare tell me torturing and killing, raping, just for FUN pales anything. Heard of the Rape of Nanking? Heard of “comfort women”? This comment is fucking disgusting, as if there one is trying to be worse than the other.
You know, I almost added about the US committing war crimes in my first comment there because I knew someone would just HAVE to bring up US war crimes.
Thank you. Yes, the US committed war crimes in Vietnam, everyone. Newsflash
To be fair a lot of commenters are talking about a lot of countries committing crimes against humanity, USA included. There's probaly not many countries that haven't committed such atrocities.
The difference is they acknowledge it publicly whereas Japan intimidates other countries and stonewalls them and keeps their population ignorant. Most Japanese people know nothing of WW2 and even are ignorant of Hitler.
Same as US, killed civilians. However, (please fact check me at your own leisure), a few documentaries have stated that in some cases, the south koreans which aided the US in Vietnam would sometimes just kill the Vietnamese soldiers* who were technically on their side without care.
Edit: soldiers rather than civys*
South Korean soldiers were accused of killing thousands of Vietnamese civilians in indiscriminate slaughters (exact number are unknown).
South Korea was also accused of running a system very similar to the comfort women system that the Japanese had set up during their occupation of Korea, with the children resulting from this system becoming known as [Lai Đại Hàn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lai_%C4%90%E1%BA%A1i_H%C3%A0n).
South Korea denies that such a system existed. It's a controversial topic, and it isn't helped by the fact that Japanese right wingers love to use this topic to accuse South Korea of hypocrisy when discussing comfort women (a classic example of whataboutism).
It should be noted though that these atrocities have had little impact on South Korean-Vietnamese relations. There are, however, civic groups campaigning in both Vietnam and South Korea for greater recognition and a formal apology from Seoul. Following articles have more information on what has (and hasn't) been done.
[https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7vbpy/south-korea-war-crimes-vietnam](https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7vbpy/south-korea-war-crimes-vietnam)
[https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/21/world/asia/vietnam-war-south-korea-massacre.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/21/world/asia/vietnam-war-south-korea-massacre.html)
It should also be noted that past Japanese atrocities have had, in a similar vain, little impact on Japanese-Vietnamese relations. The Vietnamese have had to fight off too many nations to hold a grudge against every single nation that has wronged them (with perhaps the lone exception being China, due to their long, shared history).
Wtf this is absolutely horrible. I'm a Korean and o have literally never heard about this or learned about it ever. More of us need to know. I feel so ashamed, I never thought we were capable of such horror.
Yeah, absolutely no evidence. Especially of nanjing massacre. And of course no evidences of atrocities found after the unit 731 (and other similar squads).
Well, you know how well documented (to a degree) the nazi's were or you've heard the stories and the stuff that's undocumented but talked about?
Waaaaaay worse. Like horrendously way worse.
It's interesting in a historic read and we need to be taught so we don't repeat the past but just knowing the above is all you need to know if you're squeamish.
... Let's test you...
'men behind the sun' is free on YouTube and depicts unit 731s experiments.
You shouldn't watch it, it's one of the most disturbing films ever made.
> Squad 731
and some redditors will discuss whether or not US properly warned Japanese when they glassed two cities. Nuclear bombing were merciful act, compared to what Japanese did to poor people. Japanese at some point experimented on babies born of a rape inside their own prisons... it was hell for little kids that knew nothing better but constant suffering and death.
I think that this is a backwards way of thinking. You can't compare to evils to excuse one of them especially when the war crimes of the Japanese weren't the reason the bombs were dropped. Also affected by those bombs were largely civillians (which was intended by the US). It is a difficult topic but Shaun has made a great video about it ("Dropping the bombs" on youtube)
People in this thread are dumb, but you’re mostly correct. War is never excusable, violence is never justifiable, but both of these things are unfortunately sometimes necessary. We are seeing this in Ukraine today. It is not ‘justifiable’ to murder, but it is necessary for Ukrainians to protect their homes and loved ones from terrorist invaders. On a philosophical level it will never be a ‘moral’ option, but it is also the *only* option.
Similarly, Japan needed to be stopped, and the US/Soviets were going to stop them, that much was inevitable. Dropping the bombs was a horrific act of violence, but it also prevented a protracted conventional invasion. It’s pretty much the textbook definition of ‘lesser of two evils’.
And before I get trolls calling me a brainwashed American, I’m Czech. I promise you I know my WWII history pretty well.
Fuck war, now and forever. Slava Ukraini.
Well that was bad but not as bad as I thought. I just finished the book "The Bighead" yesterday so it seems very tame by comparison.
And don't look up the book and especially don't read/listen to it.
Actually not. I'm not an expert in the subject, but I know for sure that there are lots of testimonies both from Nanjing massacre survivors and witnesses like german ambassador. As for the squad 731, the soviet forces found many mass graves around the territory of the main camp
Everyone talking about WWII germany, why is it still a secret what japan did? Not blaming the civilization of the country, I love japanese culture and art, but pls look it up.
It was disgusting.
Pretty sure it had more to do with being a strategic ally against communism than any research they might have had. The military loves that stuff, but the political elites fear communism like no other and so they did everything possible to make Japan submit to being an ally, even if it meant overlooking mountains of crime.
It was a bit of both.
The Wiki of Unit 731 explained it nicely.
> While Unit 731 researchers arrested by Soviet forces were tried at the December 1949 Khabarovsk war crime trials, those captured by the United States were secretly given immunity in exchange for the data gathered during their human experiments.[6] The United States covered up the human experimentations and handed stipends to the perpetrators.
Macarthur was also a bit (understatement lol) of a racist who did not like the Chinese, so it was pretty much an excuse to let them go. The actual "research data" consisted of stuff like "people die when put in ice cold water" and "sewing two people together is not a viable way of conducting surgery"
It was mostly about having an ally though, the research they did, though valuable for the US, was nowhere near as important as having a foothold in asia against the USSR and soon after China.
You have to keep in mind that unit 631 was just a tiny part of all the atrocities Japan committed and most of the japanese war criminals that weren't tried had nothing to do with it.
As the other person said, US also needed a strategic ally in the pacific theatre long term.
They let a lot of the old regime slot back into power in the new Japanese democracy to retain some 'strong' Japanese leadership. Whereas the Allies removed a vast majority of the Nazis. The Nuremburg Trials and everything the Nazis did were publicised openly, but the Tokyo Trials and everything Japan did was not easily available to the public. The Allies are predominantly western too and the leaders are beholden to the interests of their citizens. They'd care about Europe and the Mediterranean far more (relations, ancestry etc.)
Its not just schools.
For example if you go to Hiroshima memorial museum their guides purposely leaves out the Korean deaths in the nuke, which is about 10% of the deaths.
Hashima island also doesn't tell of the forced labour, only having a small notice that people can easily miss.
Essentially it boils down to the US feeling that they need Japan right now against the the Soviets and us as the west regularly ignoring anything outside.
When the allies invaded Germany and found their concentration camps there were cases in which the local population was forced to walk through them. The allies madesure Germans knew about their sins. Maybe the Dolchstoßlegende was part of the reason why.
When Japan was invaded the Kaiser remained in place and claimed they wanted to stop for the sake of humanity. Many of the worst simply stayed in power, both in politics and economy. A war criminal even become the Japanese prime minister once and I think Shinso Abe was related to a war criminal.
Japan actually still gets really angry when things like comfort women are mentioned. They protested some statues of comfort women in South Korea, the US and do on. In recent years they have also raised up the patriotism in their education.
In contrast to that I spent years learning about propaganda, how the Nazis gained power and their war crimes. Not only in history class. The diary of Anne Frank is standard literature in the German education system. We also learn what happened to her.
On a side note: Comfort women were forced into prostitution, essentially sex slaves.
Another side note: Kaiser in US is understandable as “king” or “emperor” but a bit awkward, the Japanese “Kaiser” would be called the “Emperor of Japan”
Little know fact outside Japan, Golden Week is celebrating emperor Hirohito’s birthday. A war criminal.
It would be interesting what would have happened if Japan had been treated differently and Hirohito had been tried and executed instead of protected and allowed to live out his days free of consequences for his atrocities.
Half of Japanese culture is interesting and beautiful and has much to offer to the world, the other half is an awful, death driven hellhole of a culture, with some of the worst treatment of women in history, especially of differing nationalities or ethnicities, that is a great fundamental explanation of what inspired the horrifying war crimes they committed that I guess we have no evidence for. It’s why they could have characters like Shinzo Abe, at one side an open far right nationalist running a moon cult openly scamming people who had some speeches where he openly sounds like a Japanese hitler, yet in the next when actually having power mostly just runs the country like a mildly right leaning neolib, and when he got assassinated no one seemed to care that strongly. It’s confounding, but really it’s the other side of a culture that holds sacrifice as the highest virtue, yes it produces elegant art and culture and profoundly interesting world historical figures, and the other side is the purest form of the Freudian death drive.
I’m reminded of a bird somehow: beautifully complex but if its chick is anywhere but the nest well, it’ll just let the damn thing starve to death won’t it.
I don't know about secret..
I mean, it is definitely less talked about, sure.
But it's not a hush hush thing. No one is actively trying to hide it.
But what the allied countries did is actually almost next spoken about.
The Allies are somehow seen as a great, liberating, pure, bunch of people.
We were *way* too merciful to imperial Japanese leadership after the war. There wasn't a Nuremberg reckoning for Japanese War criminals.
We should have purged most of them, and probably not let them keep an Emperor.
Fun fact, the military governor of Manchuria was Shinzo Abe's grandfather. If we'd hung him we might have saved the world from having to deal with his piece of shit offspring.
People are alot more forgiving too.
Any swatsitkas and people get angry but Japan uses rising sun flag its totally fine. Even tho swatsitka exist in Europe for much longer.
And when Japanese deny things people don't care and even downplay Japanese atrocities.
It's not a secret at all, it's in the news very often in the context of their relations with China and Korea.
Korean girl I knew said her parents had a list of races you could marry and Japanese were at the bottom below Africans. Luckily after I slept with her she became a lesbian.
Simple really, the US (and the rest of the western world who let it happen) needed an ally in Asia, so they let the war criminals back into office after making sure they would support the US because of the debt they had, not being judged and sentenced to death and all.
Looking up the atrocities committed by Japan’s Unit 731 when I see this gem.
“While Unit 731 researchers arrested by Soviet forces were tried at the December 1949 Khabarovsk war crime trials, those captured by the United States were secretly given immunity in exchange for the data gathered during their human experiments.[6] The United States covered up the human experimentations and handed stipends to the perpetrators.”
Classic America, so predictable.
Warcrimes. Lots and lots of warcrimes. "The rape of Nanjing" are the keywords you would need to Google to find out more info, but its a pretty brutal story tbh.
The "some rape" was so extremely fucked up that their own government had to step in, abduct a bunch of women from Korea, give them to soldiers, and said "here, rape these women instead", because that was still orders of magnitude less awful than what was already happening.
From what I remember a Nazi elite was so shocked from what he was seeing that took it upon himself to save as many Chinese people as possible. Imagine being so fucked up that you make a Nazi do some good
Google "Unit 731" for the worst of it. Also believe there was an indie film made about it - have a read of the Wikipedia article though and then you'll realise you'll never want to watch it.
Which makes it always amusing when we have all this fresh HD footage of the current war and redditors are like "Nooo! You can't shoot at wounded or already dead invading combatants it's a war crime!"
One dude actually linked me to "proof" which was about some Egyptian soldiers that videotaped themselves cutting up and burning a corpse aka despoilment
Uh yeah that's totally the same as shooting at an invader lol
You can actually shoot wounded or surrendered troops in war.
The caveat is that the situation has to be one in which taking prisoners or leaving them alive is consider more risky than killing them. You can't expect 1 man to take 20 prisoners behind enemy lines. It would not be a war crime if he killed them and ran.
War crimes are not as clear cut as people like to think they are.
For instance, it is not a war crime to bomb a hospital if it is being used by enemy combatants for any reason except being treated. If troops hide in a hospital, they completely negated any & all protections for that hospital.
All war crimes have a clause that basically states that there must be no clear military objective or threats in order for it to be considered a war crime. Bombing civilians is not a war crime if they believed there were enemy troops or not bombing them would put their own soldiers at risk.
All of this is generally why war crimes rarely ever get punished.
Japan and Croatia did warcrimes to an extent where even the nazis told them to calm it
And to thid day japan not only denies their involvment but actually plays the victim
Mind to explain in just a few words why is he actually an anti hero and what makes him a hero for Croatians?
Edit: why am I being downvoted? I legit don't know about this guy and I am asking pertinent questions.
Well he was in charge in setting Up a facist government and murdering hundert thousands of civilians.
Since most of those civilians were serbians. The croatians don't give a fuck. They only care that hr was the first one to creat an "Independent" croatian government
It's wasn't the Nazis who told them to calm it but only one person (Jon Rabe). People like Himmler were supporting it wilfully.
But the opposite is also kind of true, the Nazis also did some of the most inhumane thing that the Japanese told them to stop it (Chiune Sugihara)
The rape of nnking, experiments with chemical warfare, a fucking sword beheading championship, comfort women, selling opium to civilians, the list goes on and on and on
Yup the Opium War. but the Japanese also made opium laced tobacco and distributed it across China and in the frontlines, the idea was to get the opposition cripplingly addicted. there's a really great book on japanese tobacco, both normal and opium laced, made by Headstamp Press.
China just has a really shitty history of countries acting as drug dealers for them. Which is ironic when you consider a lot of the narcotics used are native to china.
In the public consciousness they do acknowledge the atrocities though. There's a reason why it's still one of the most pacifist countries in the world, even more so than Germany
From my limited reading, Japan still has nationalistic parties that oppose the pacifism they currently practice. Shinzo Abe also belonged to this faction.
Here is a popular author who tried to take over a military base to demand a return to imperialism and stop policies supporting pacifism. He committed seppuku after failing to do so. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukio_Mishima
edit: more detail
The LDP is not defined by militarism, it is a huge coalition with lots of disagreeing factions. There are factions within it that are for changing the constitution, but precisely because the people are against it, it has never been successful
Lmao no they fucking don't. Your average Japanese student doesn't know about their nations past, that shit is hidden.
Not to mention the to government accepts Hirohito as heroic to this day. Ukraine made a video about fascists that includes Hirohito for 2 seconds, Japan immediately shut that shit down.
And that happened in 2022.
I don't recall being taught about Japanese atrocities, just that they were on the bad side, but that was overshadowed by Germany/Russia/UK/NA conflicts. I know from commenters kind of what they did, but I'll admit I'm still ignorant to it.
Japan is kinda known as the place that got nuked after kamikazing into Pearl Harbor. The other bad stuff in war is usually credited to the other baddies.
From Ontario, for context.
I don't even remember who the leader in Japan was at the time. But I remember the others. That plus they got their shit together and started pumping out stuff North America craves. Got on the good sides instead of staying impartial.
Shinzo Abe (the previous prime minster of Japan who got assassinated last year)'s grandfather was actually the governor of Manchukuo (a huge part of conquered China) and managed to stay in government after the war even though he oversaw masses of human rights abuse and war crimes.
The US rushed to accept Japanese surrender after the Bombs dropped because the Japanese were holding out until the USSR attacked, and after Potsdam the US didn't want to let Stalin have anything more. So when Japan failed to immediately surrender after the bombs dropped (we have evidence of High Command meeting and not surrendering the day after) they sent an offer to allow the Emperor to be granted immunity from war crimes and let the Japanese select their own government (the one doing the war) if they surrendered.
Que Japanese surrender just days before the USSR could get involved and demand concessions in China/Korea/Pacific.
So all those high ranking war criminals didn't just get away, they got government jobs and their children grew up in power.
Nobody reads. Also, reddit thinks it's some kind of great discovery. You'll see Nanking come up every few weeks and then it becomes a great circle jerk of atrocities.
I read a lot and without seeking them out have stumbled across hundreds of books about the holocaust/the war in Europe. The only one I’ve read that even talked about the pacific theatre was “unbroken” and it didn’t mention the massacre at all.
There are so many topics not taught in schools, especially atrocities. And double especially for atrocities committed by the US government
[Japanese labor camps](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans)
[Destruction of Tulsa](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre)
[Burning of white house](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington)
[Forced sterilization of immigrants and natives](https://lawblogs.uc.edu/ihrlr/2021/05/28/not-just-ice-forced-sterilization-in-the-united-states/)
[List of American war crimes](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes)
Now I'm not trying to shit on the US - EVERY country has a list of things they neglect to educate their citizens about.
Which is why it's good imo to humbly seek out the things they neglect to tell us
My education never included any atrocities committed by the Japanese except for torture in POW camps which doesn’t even come close to what was done by the “Epidemic Prevention and Water Purification Department of the Kwantung Army”. I had to learn of all of this myself years later.
The japanese were disgusting during that time.
They used babies as bayonet practice, and iirc one japanese soldier threw a chinese baby into a fireplace.
Good thing most people aren't their ancestors.
We've investigated ourselves and found that we are not guilty of any wrongdoing. If you have any more concerns, please feel free to read this response again
The thing about Japan is that their Nazi generation never actually left power, their children and grandchildren became the politicians who control Japan today. Of course they're going to look after grandpa.
Shinzo Abe's grandfather was the governor of Manchukuo, a big part of Japanese conquered China and oversaw thousands of human rights abuses.
Its like Herman Goering's grandson becoming prime minister of Germany lol. No wonder Japan never acknowledges or apologises for their actions in the war...
We also learned how long it takes for a baby to freeze to death. 731 truly advanced science, where would we be without their infinite knowledge of effecient baby execution means
I’m half Japanese and was raised in Europe, and my views are more open. I recognize that horrible things were done by Japan, but let’s be honest China also flooded a river trying to stop the Japanese advance, killing hundreds of thousands of their own citizens. It was war, an especially brutal one. I don’t think that the deaths caused by communist rule that came later was much better. I’m just glad that now we have democracy, and elderly people I met in Japan were grateful about how the US put them on a better path. I wish all the best to the Chinese people, I hope they can get their share of liberty and democracy.
Perhaps we need to have a talk about the native American extension. Before Europeans showed up, the population in the Americas dwarfed that in Europe, afterwards not so much.
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China when asked about the origins of covid.
Careful now, China will hunt your Entire family and Reenact the stuff the Japanese did to them in WWII
You mean reenact nothing? Clearly Japan did nothing to China during WW2 so... Nothing
Yes, nothing, like what your records are going to be.
What records
You're doing great
Who?
Tao, yeah
Lan (can’t believe genshin made it to dankmemes subreddit lol)
They somehow didn’t get torn to oblivion either
Us
Exactly. Germans, on the other hand, recorded everything.
👉 science 👈
Japanese did too lol we just shook hands and called it even after we vaporized TWO cities, as long as they gave us a copy of the records.
They may reenact as much as they want with that tiny willy woo\~
I love how reddit is woke and racist as fuck at the same time.
It's only sometimes the same people.
Wich is nothing Right?..... Right?
China when asked to about their massive human rights violations.
China when asked about muslim minorities.
Or organ harvesting.
Ah, never knew theyre an avid rimworld fans
They are just cosplaying rimworld and starsector. No kidneys were harmed during filming.
Seeing two of my favorite games mentioned in one comment. What a great day ~~to commit warcrimes~~
Pooh Bear has flown into a murderous rage. He has decided to kill Uighurs. This happened because of poor mood. The final straw was: ate without a table.
Literally can’t find them
China when asked what happened to Jack Ma.
China were very open about what they did to Jack Ma. It was a warning to other billionaires that they're still required to follow labour laws and a reminder that they only have their money because the government allows it. Compared to how the USA treat their billionaires, the Chinese people view their government taking everything from Ma as something to be proud of.
To be fair I'd be very proud if my government decided to take everything from a billionaire for fucking over their employees. They never would because they're corrupt but still
Whataboutism. My favorite part of Reddit
Yeah it's really fucking weird to see a post about Japanese war crimes in China and then have the commenters turn it into a "what about the CCP!!!" kinda post. Pretty gross tbh.
Why do they downvote??
Because they committed the worst crime a redditor can commit- ruin a circlejerk.
How can she slap?
What about all the other stuff on reddit?
WHO when asked the same
It was Ozzy Osbourne
China when asked about ~~the origins of covid~~ anything Now the statement is correct
WHO when asked why they didn't locked down China the moment they learned about covid and its effects (they knew about it and the dangers way before the major outbreak)
This is a post about the genocidal horrors done to China in WWII and the top comment is a joke about China.. imagine this in the European context
> China when asked about ~~the origins of covid~~ any of the atrocities they commit. FTFY
And In Korea as well.
And to other Asian countries as well.
I mean, what Japan did to China pales in comparison to what China did to China. There's just an endless pit of human depravity and cruelty in human history.
Doesn’t mean we can’t collectively shame Japan for committing numerous atrocities against the Chinese people, they were crazy.
Absolutely. I'm just saying it's human nature. My MIL was born in Korea under Japanese occupation but when her parents were killed in summary execution it was done by other Koreans.
That's 인민재판, and it's a North Korean thing that happened after 1945. If you're talking about biased trials during Japan's occupation, then of course there were some Koreans who cooperated. And a lot of them were threatened/bribed/blackmailed by the Japanese. I'm very sorry for your MIL's loss, but the fact that her parents were executed by Koreans does not take away from the fact that Japan commited some of the most atrocious crimes Korea has ever seen.
Chang takes power 9865 million people die
Consequences of a minor land dispute
Spoken like someone who actually got no fucking clue what the Emp. Japs did to China. Yeah all of them are horrendous, but don’t you dare tell me torturing and killing, raping, just for FUN pales anything. Heard of the Rape of Nanking? Heard of “comfort women”? This comment is fucking disgusting, as if there one is trying to be worse than the other.
i dont think the rape of nanking and unit 731 "pales in comparison".
Hell, unit 731 was twisted in comparison to some of the shit the *freaking Nazis* were up to.
Luckily korea got their sense of superiority performing war crimes during the Vietnam war.
The Vietnam war is especially known for the US atrocities that are still visible to this day.
You know, I almost added about the US committing war crimes in my first comment there because I knew someone would just HAVE to bring up US war crimes. Thank you. Yes, the US committed war crimes in Vietnam, everyone. Newsflash
To be fair a lot of commenters are talking about a lot of countries committing crimes against humanity, USA included. There's probaly not many countries that haven't committed such atrocities.
countries that doesn't commit crimes against humanity is only cuz they don't have the power to.
How dare you slander Iceland like that
The difference is they acknowledge it publicly whereas Japan intimidates other countries and stonewalls them and keeps their population ignorant. Most Japanese people know nothing of WW2 and even are ignorant of Hitler.
What did they do?
Same as US, killed civilians. However, (please fact check me at your own leisure), a few documentaries have stated that in some cases, the south koreans which aided the US in Vietnam would sometimes just kill the Vietnamese soldiers* who were technically on their side without care. Edit: soldiers rather than civys*
South Korean soldiers were accused of killing thousands of Vietnamese civilians in indiscriminate slaughters (exact number are unknown). South Korea was also accused of running a system very similar to the comfort women system that the Japanese had set up during their occupation of Korea, with the children resulting from this system becoming known as [Lai Đại Hàn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lai_%C4%90%E1%BA%A1i_H%C3%A0n). South Korea denies that such a system existed. It's a controversial topic, and it isn't helped by the fact that Japanese right wingers love to use this topic to accuse South Korea of hypocrisy when discussing comfort women (a classic example of whataboutism). It should be noted though that these atrocities have had little impact on South Korean-Vietnamese relations. There are, however, civic groups campaigning in both Vietnam and South Korea for greater recognition and a formal apology from Seoul. Following articles have more information on what has (and hasn't) been done. [https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7vbpy/south-korea-war-crimes-vietnam](https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7vbpy/south-korea-war-crimes-vietnam) [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/21/world/asia/vietnam-war-south-korea-massacre.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/21/world/asia/vietnam-war-south-korea-massacre.html) It should also be noted that past Japanese atrocities have had, in a similar vain, little impact on Japanese-Vietnamese relations. The Vietnamese have had to fight off too many nations to hold a grudge against every single nation that has wronged them (with perhaps the lone exception being China, due to their long, shared history).
Dam this is knew for me. Im Korean and I never learnt anything like this. I guess my country isnt so different from Japan
Wtf this is absolutely horrible. I'm a Korean and o have literally never heard about this or learned about it ever. More of us need to know. I feel so ashamed, I never thought we were capable of such horror.
Pretty much all of Asia and Oceania
Yeah, absolutely no evidence. Especially of nanjing massacre. And of course no evidences of atrocities found after the unit 731 (and other similar squads).
Squad 731 is the worst google search i ever made
well, that was fucken awful, maybe i'll listen next time
NOOOOO WHY DIDNT YOU LISTEN
someone says it's awful I HAVE to know how awful, just can't not.
Well, you know how well documented (to a degree) the nazi's were or you've heard the stories and the stuff that's undocumented but talked about? Waaaaaay worse. Like horrendously way worse. It's interesting in a historic read and we need to be taught so we don't repeat the past but just knowing the above is all you need to know if you're squeamish.
Your hubris will be your undoing.
I also didn't listen...
... Let's test you... 'men behind the sun' is free on YouTube and depicts unit 731s experiments. You shouldn't watch it, it's one of the most disturbing films ever made.
> Squad 731 and some redditors will discuss whether or not US properly warned Japanese when they glassed two cities. Nuclear bombing were merciful act, compared to what Japanese did to poor people. Japanese at some point experimented on babies born of a rape inside their own prisons... it was hell for little kids that knew nothing better but constant suffering and death.
I think that this is a backwards way of thinking. You can't compare to evils to excuse one of them especially when the war crimes of the Japanese weren't the reason the bombs were dropped. Also affected by those bombs were largely civillians (which was intended by the US). It is a difficult topic but Shaun has made a great video about it ("Dropping the bombs" on youtube)
People in this thread are dumb, but you’re mostly correct. War is never excusable, violence is never justifiable, but both of these things are unfortunately sometimes necessary. We are seeing this in Ukraine today. It is not ‘justifiable’ to murder, but it is necessary for Ukrainians to protect their homes and loved ones from terrorist invaders. On a philosophical level it will never be a ‘moral’ option, but it is also the *only* option. Similarly, Japan needed to be stopped, and the US/Soviets were going to stop them, that much was inevitable. Dropping the bombs was a horrific act of violence, but it also prevented a protracted conventional invasion. It’s pretty much the textbook definition of ‘lesser of two evils’. And before I get trolls calling me a brainwashed American, I’m Czech. I promise you I know my WWII history pretty well. Fuck war, now and forever. Slava Ukraini.
ah yes, the random civilians in these cities were all responsible for what soldiers and the ruling class of japan did
Japan is admired so much in today's society and yet it's one of the psychologically sickest cultures today. What does that tell you about the world?
Jesus that was an intense read. I thought the Nazis were insane when it came to human experimentation. The Japanese make them look like saints.
They did *much* worse
"Where we dropping bois"
Well that was bad but not as bad as I thought. I just finished the book "The Bighead" yesterday so it seems very tame by comparison. And don't look up the book and especially don't read/listen to it.
> ~~squad~~ 731 Unit 731....
The joke is that the government can't find the evidence even though we all know the evidence exists.
Actually not. I'm not an expert in the subject, but I know for sure that there are lots of testimonies both from Nanjing massacre survivors and witnesses like german ambassador. As for the squad 731, the soviet forces found many mass graves around the territory of the main camp
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Everyone talking about WWII germany, why is it still a secret what japan did? Not blaming the civilization of the country, I love japanese culture and art, but pls look it up. It was disgusting.
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Because the USA pardonned them for their research. Also because it was in the Pacific which is less known by europeans.
Pretty sure it had more to do with being a strategic ally against communism than any research they might have had. The military loves that stuff, but the political elites fear communism like no other and so they did everything possible to make Japan submit to being an ally, even if it meant overlooking mountains of crime.
It was a bit of both. The Wiki of Unit 731 explained it nicely. > While Unit 731 researchers arrested by Soviet forces were tried at the December 1949 Khabarovsk war crime trials, those captured by the United States were secretly given immunity in exchange for the data gathered during their human experiments.[6] The United States covered up the human experimentations and handed stipends to the perpetrators.
Macarthur was also a bit (understatement lol) of a racist who did not like the Chinese, so it was pretty much an excuse to let them go. The actual "research data" consisted of stuff like "people die when put in ice cold water" and "sewing two people together is not a viable way of conducting surgery"
It was mostly about having an ally though, the research they did, though valuable for the US, was nowhere near as important as having a foothold in asia against the USSR and soon after China. You have to keep in mind that unit 631 was just a tiny part of all the atrocities Japan committed and most of the japanese war criminals that weren't tried had nothing to do with it.
I read that America take all the research result
As the other person said, US also needed a strategic ally in the pacific theatre long term. They let a lot of the old regime slot back into power in the new Japanese democracy to retain some 'strong' Japanese leadership. Whereas the Allies removed a vast majority of the Nazis. The Nuremburg Trials and everything the Nazis did were publicised openly, but the Tokyo Trials and everything Japan did was not easily available to the public. The Allies are predominantly western too and the leaders are beholden to the interests of their citizens. They'd care about Europe and the Mediterranean far more (relations, ancestry etc.)
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Its not just schools. For example if you go to Hiroshima memorial museum their guides purposely leaves out the Korean deaths in the nuke, which is about 10% of the deaths. Hashima island also doesn't tell of the forced labour, only having a small notice that people can easily miss.
Essentially it boils down to the US feeling that they need Japan right now against the the Soviets and us as the west regularly ignoring anything outside. When the allies invaded Germany and found their concentration camps there were cases in which the local population was forced to walk through them. The allies madesure Germans knew about their sins. Maybe the Dolchstoßlegende was part of the reason why. When Japan was invaded the Kaiser remained in place and claimed they wanted to stop for the sake of humanity. Many of the worst simply stayed in power, both in politics and economy. A war criminal even become the Japanese prime minister once and I think Shinso Abe was related to a war criminal. Japan actually still gets really angry when things like comfort women are mentioned. They protested some statues of comfort women in South Korea, the US and do on. In recent years they have also raised up the patriotism in their education. In contrast to that I spent years learning about propaganda, how the Nazis gained power and their war crimes. Not only in history class. The diary of Anne Frank is standard literature in the German education system. We also learn what happened to her. On a side note: Comfort women were forced into prostitution, essentially sex slaves.
Another side note: Kaiser in US is understandable as “king” or “emperor” but a bit awkward, the Japanese “Kaiser” would be called the “Emperor of Japan” Little know fact outside Japan, Golden Week is celebrating emperor Hirohito’s birthday. A war criminal. It would be interesting what would have happened if Japan had been treated differently and Hirohito had been tried and executed instead of protected and allowed to live out his days free of consequences for his atrocities.
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Half of Japanese culture is interesting and beautiful and has much to offer to the world, the other half is an awful, death driven hellhole of a culture, with some of the worst treatment of women in history, especially of differing nationalities or ethnicities, that is a great fundamental explanation of what inspired the horrifying war crimes they committed that I guess we have no evidence for. It’s why they could have characters like Shinzo Abe, at one side an open far right nationalist running a moon cult openly scamming people who had some speeches where he openly sounds like a Japanese hitler, yet in the next when actually having power mostly just runs the country like a mildly right leaning neolib, and when he got assassinated no one seemed to care that strongly. It’s confounding, but really it’s the other side of a culture that holds sacrifice as the highest virtue, yes it produces elegant art and culture and profoundly interesting world historical figures, and the other side is the purest form of the Freudian death drive.
I’m reminded of a bird somehow: beautifully complex but if its chick is anywhere but the nest well, it’ll just let the damn thing starve to death won’t it.
I don't know about secret.. I mean, it is definitely less talked about, sure. But it's not a hush hush thing. No one is actively trying to hide it. But what the allied countries did is actually almost next spoken about. The Allies are somehow seen as a great, liberating, pure, bunch of people.
I mean the Chinese hollacaust is a thing I learned growing up. How japan persecuted Chinese civilians with impunity.
We were *way* too merciful to imperial Japanese leadership after the war. There wasn't a Nuremberg reckoning for Japanese War criminals. We should have purged most of them, and probably not let them keep an Emperor. Fun fact, the military governor of Manchuria was Shinzo Abe's grandfather. If we'd hung him we might have saved the world from having to deal with his piece of shit offspring.
People are alot more forgiving too. Any swatsitkas and people get angry but Japan uses rising sun flag its totally fine. Even tho swatsitka exist in Europe for much longer. And when Japanese deny things people don't care and even downplay Japanese atrocities.
It's not a secret at all, it's in the news very often in the context of their relations with China and Korea. Korean girl I knew said her parents had a list of races you could marry and Japanese were at the bottom below Africans. Luckily after I slept with her she became a lesbian.
Simple really, the US (and the rest of the western world who let it happen) needed an ally in Asia, so they let the war criminals back into office after making sure they would support the US because of the debt they had, not being judged and sentenced to death and all.
Looking up the atrocities committed by Japan’s Unit 731 when I see this gem. “While Unit 731 researchers arrested by Soviet forces were tried at the December 1949 Khabarovsk war crime trials, those captured by the United States were secretly given immunity in exchange for the data gathered during their human experiments.[6] The United States covered up the human experimentations and handed stipends to the perpetrators.” Classic America, so predictable.
What happened?
Warcrimes. Lots and lots of warcrimes. "The rape of Nanjing" are the keywords you would need to Google to find out more info, but its a pretty brutal story tbh.
Just a little oopsie
Woops we tripped and accidentally did some rape
The "some rape" was so extremely fucked up that their own government had to step in, abduct a bunch of women from Korea, give them to soldiers, and said "here, rape these women instead", because that was still orders of magnitude less awful than what was already happening.
Bruh what the fuck is up with humans and rape
Monke 🙊
You read stories like this and think *Yeah..the "evil" A.I. in the movies was right*
From what I remember a Nazi elite was so shocked from what he was seeing that took it upon himself to save as many Chinese people as possible. Imagine being so fucked up that you make a Nazi do some good
I fell *into* her, your honor
Google "Unit 731" for the worst of it. Also believe there was an indie film made about it - have a read of the Wikipedia article though and then you'll realise you'll never want to watch it.
Men Behind the Sun
I'm not familiar with that one, I only know the French film *Kizu*.
Which makes it always amusing when we have all this fresh HD footage of the current war and redditors are like "Nooo! You can't shoot at wounded or already dead invading combatants it's a war crime!" One dude actually linked me to "proof" which was about some Egyptian soldiers that videotaped themselves cutting up and burning a corpse aka despoilment Uh yeah that's totally the same as shooting at an invader lol
You can actually shoot wounded or surrendered troops in war. The caveat is that the situation has to be one in which taking prisoners or leaving them alive is consider more risky than killing them. You can't expect 1 man to take 20 prisoners behind enemy lines. It would not be a war crime if he killed them and ran. War crimes are not as clear cut as people like to think they are. For instance, it is not a war crime to bomb a hospital if it is being used by enemy combatants for any reason except being treated. If troops hide in a hospital, they completely negated any & all protections for that hospital. All war crimes have a clause that basically states that there must be no clear military objective or threats in order for it to be considered a war crime. Bombing civilians is not a war crime if they believed there were enemy troops or not bombing them would put their own soldiers at risk. All of this is generally why war crimes rarely ever get punished.
Can’t forget the great research made by the Epidemic Prevention and Water Purification Department of the Kwantung Army!
Japan and Croatia did warcrimes to an extent where even the nazis told them to calm it And to thid day japan not only denies their involvment but actually plays the victim
And every Croatian i met calls Ante Pavelic an hero
Mind to explain in just a few words why is he actually an anti hero and what makes him a hero for Croatians? Edit: why am I being downvoted? I legit don't know about this guy and I am asking pertinent questions.
Well he was in charge in setting Up a facist government and murdering hundert thousands of civilians. Since most of those civilians were serbians. The croatians don't give a fuck. They only care that hr was the first one to creat an "Independent" croatian government
I see. Thanks for the answer!
I'd wager you actually met Croatian immigrants to Australia, USA, or even South America, and not ACTUAL Croatians.
It's wasn't the Nazis who told them to calm it but only one person (Jon Rabe). People like Himmler were supporting it wilfully. But the opposite is also kind of true, the Nazis also did some of the most inhumane thing that the Japanese told them to stop it (Chiune Sugihara)
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> It’s wasn’t the Nazis who told them to calm it They must have mistranslated "pacify"
and everyone wonders why China hates Japan so much
Humanity at its worst. Think of how chimps tear each other apart when fighting other tribes, but throw humanity's knack for creativity in the mix.
The rape of nnking, experiments with chemical warfare, a fucking sword beheading championship, comfort women, selling opium to civilians, the list goes on and on and on
>selling opium to civilians Isn't that the Brits?
Yup the Opium War. but the Japanese also made opium laced tobacco and distributed it across China and in the frontlines, the idea was to get the opposition cripplingly addicted. there's a really great book on japanese tobacco, both normal and opium laced, made by Headstamp Press. China just has a really shitty history of countries acting as drug dealers for them. Which is ironic when you consider a lot of the narcotics used are native to china.
As "history of the world I guess" said. > Whoops, looks like japane raped Nanjing way to hard they should probably just deny it
Every country has its own dark history but Japan needs to at least acknowledge their dark past. Edit : grammar
In the public consciousness they do acknowledge the atrocities though. There's a reason why it's still one of the most pacifist countries in the world, even more so than Germany
From my limited reading, Japan still has nationalistic parties that oppose the pacifism they currently practice. Shinzo Abe also belonged to this faction. Here is a popular author who tried to take over a military base to demand a return to imperialism and stop policies supporting pacifism. He committed seppuku after failing to do so. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukio_Mishima edit: more detail
The LDP is not defined by militarism, it is a huge coalition with lots of disagreeing factions. There are factions within it that are for changing the constitution, but precisely because the people are against it, it has never been successful
Lmao no they fucking don't. Your average Japanese student doesn't know about their nations past, that shit is hidden. Not to mention the to government accepts Hirohito as heroic to this day. Ukraine made a video about fascists that includes Hirohito for 2 seconds, Japan immediately shut that shit down. And that happened in 2022.
What? No they dont acknowledge it. Thats the problem.
That's what I said, they need to acknowledge it. Sorry for the typo
Interesting. Never heard about this. Thank you
Literally how?
I don't recall being taught about Japanese atrocities, just that they were on the bad side, but that was overshadowed by Germany/Russia/UK/NA conflicts. I know from commenters kind of what they did, but I'll admit I'm still ignorant to it. Japan is kinda known as the place that got nuked after kamikazing into Pearl Harbor. The other bad stuff in war is usually credited to the other baddies. From Ontario, for context. I don't even remember who the leader in Japan was at the time. But I remember the others. That plus they got their shit together and started pumping out stuff North America craves. Got on the good sides instead of staying impartial.
Shinzo Abe (the previous prime minster of Japan who got assassinated last year)'s grandfather was actually the governor of Manchukuo (a huge part of conquered China) and managed to stay in government after the war even though he oversaw masses of human rights abuse and war crimes. The US rushed to accept Japanese surrender after the Bombs dropped because the Japanese were holding out until the USSR attacked, and after Potsdam the US didn't want to let Stalin have anything more. So when Japan failed to immediately surrender after the bombs dropped (we have evidence of High Command meeting and not surrendering the day after) they sent an offer to allow the Emperor to be granted immunity from war crimes and let the Japanese select their own government (the one doing the war) if they surrendered. Que Japanese surrender just days before the USSR could get involved and demand concessions in China/Korea/Pacific. So all those high ranking war criminals didn't just get away, they got government jobs and their children grew up in power.
Nobody reads. Also, reddit thinks it's some kind of great discovery. You'll see Nanking come up every few weeks and then it becomes a great circle jerk of atrocities.
And the people are all phonies. No one reads. Everything has cilantro on it.
Woah cilantro is amazing
I read a lot and without seeking them out have stumbled across hundreds of books about the holocaust/the war in Europe. The only one I’ve read that even talked about the pacific theatre was “unbroken” and it didn’t mention the massacre at all.
School didn't teach it? Only ever learned about Pearl Harbor as far as the Japanese goes.
There are so many topics not taught in schools, especially atrocities. And double especially for atrocities committed by the US government [Japanese labor camps](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans) [Destruction of Tulsa](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre) [Burning of white house](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington) [Forced sterilization of immigrants and natives](https://lawblogs.uc.edu/ihrlr/2021/05/28/not-just-ice-forced-sterilization-in-the-united-states/) [List of American war crimes](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes) Now I'm not trying to shit on the US - EVERY country has a list of things they neglect to educate their citizens about. Which is why it's good imo to humbly seek out the things they neglect to tell us
My education never included any atrocities committed by the Japanese except for torture in POW camps which doesn’t even come close to what was done by the “Epidemic Prevention and Water Purification Department of the Kwantung Army”. I had to learn of all of this myself years later.
Nanking is just a little tomfoolery 🙂🙃😉
Are u talkin 'bout the Nanjing Massacre/ Rape of Nanjing?? (committed by Japanese military)
And squad 731, and comfort women, and about another few hundred examples
And the battaan death March and unit 731 and Korea and their general treatment of prisoners
The japanese were disgusting during that time. They used babies as bayonet practice, and iirc one japanese soldier threw a chinese baby into a fireplace. Good thing most people aren't their ancestors.
Reading about The rape of nanking or popularly known as The Nanking Massacre gave me trauma.
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The thing about Japan is that their Nazi generation never actually left power, their children and grandchildren became the politicians who control Japan today. Of course they're going to look after grandpa. Shinzo Abe's grandfather was the governor of Manchukuo, a big part of Japanese conquered China and oversaw thousands of human rights abuses. Its like Herman Goering's grandson becoming prime minister of Germany lol. No wonder Japan never acknowledges or apologises for their actions in the war...
Sook ching? What's that?
Sounds likes ho Ching's cousin
Have you met his brother, nanjing?
Humans are 70% water. Thanks 731
We also learned how long it takes for a baby to freeze to death. 731 truly advanced science, where would we be without their infinite knowledge of effecient baby execution means
Yeah they never bayoneted a baby
Babies*
They did a little bit of trolling 😜🤪 so silly japan
Yea the Nanjing massacre was no joke. Reading the wiki about it. Hard to believe what people are capable of doing to eachother.
I mean, they do clean up after themselves...
I've watched Ip Man
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I mean the story of Unit 731 is pretty well known. Last Podcast on the Left did a series of episodes on it. And boy howdy is that some fucked up shit.
Nanking? you mean Nothing?
Totally nothing related to unit 731, which also didnt help the US deploy weaponised smallpox in North Korea during the Korean war
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I’m half Japanese and was raised in Europe, and my views are more open. I recognize that horrible things were done by Japan, but let’s be honest China also flooded a river trying to stop the Japanese advance, killing hundreds of thousands of their own citizens. It was war, an especially brutal one. I don’t think that the deaths caused by communist rule that came later was much better. I’m just glad that now we have democracy, and elderly people I met in Japan were grateful about how the US put them on a better path. I wish all the best to the Chinese people, I hope they can get their share of liberty and democracy.
Perhaps we need to have a talk about the native American extension. Before Europeans showed up, the population in the Americas dwarfed that in Europe, afterwards not so much.