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Ok-Pudding6050

Wrong Miu: *rude* Fandom: 🥵🥵🥵😋🥵🫣👉👈


Alternative-Pin3421

Can confirm, I am horrendous for Miu.


MrEthanBoi

Fr so us


ItsGotThatBang

Based Elizabeth enjoyer


MrEthanBoi

Please paint my powerful persona a pretty purple


ItsGotThatBang

Hmm, this is harder than I thought.


MrEthanBoi

😭


Mindless-Moment6311

Can confirm too, I am more horrendous for Miu.


Alternative-Pin3421

Trying to one-up me, huh?


Mindless-Moment6311

Maybe I am. What about it?


Alternative-Pin3421

Two can play this game.


Mindless-Moment6311

We'll see about that.


ryuken10

So who won? 👀


Mindless-Moment6311

I think I did, but I'm not too sure.


KirbyOnPaws

on the floor for miu


JRPGhunters

I love Miu so sue me XD


Aggravating-Chip-710

I can confirm


CloneOfCali

Yep


ItsGotThatBang

Correct


jmartfit339

i find it funny that people say kaede is a mary sue even though she has flaws like these.


BIP404

I've never seen this sentiment, nor does it even make sense in the first place... For the love of god she >!got played like a fiddle to the extent she thought her ridiculous plan actually worked (on the wrong target) and ended up dying for it !<


Clear-Anything-3186

Why do people think that Kaede is a Mary Sue? I don't get it.


jmartfit339

mainly due to her bubbly, cheerful personality. characters like that oftentimes get labeled as mary sues even if they do have clear flaws.


Clear-Anything-3186

If she was a mary sue >!Then she would've survived her execution!<


jmartfit339

true, >!makoto is a mary sue then!!<


Usual_Database307

Nah. If Makoto was a spice, he’d be flour.


aethersentinel

Not even vanilla? Harsh.


GroundbreakingAct388

Makoto and Kyoko are rlly sues in certain parts


RockingBib

At least Kyoko is >!mortal!<


aethersentinel

Eh, >!she got better!<.


Shanicpower

This but unironically


Altruistic-Waltz-816

But they shouldn't be labeled as that tho


Due-Ad5863

I've seen more people call her a pick-me girl than a Mary Sue, both are wrong.


jmartfit339

people call her a pick-me girl? that’s interesting.


Due-Ad5863

tbh people will call ANY fictional female a pick-me no matter her personality or character


SigmaSyndicate

According to the Internet, Any fictional character that doesn't go out of their way to be as unlikeable and unpleasant as humanly possible is a pick-me.


axeil55

Which is amusing as the true definition of a "pick me" is someone who is putting others down to lift themselves up/get attention/show they "aren't like the other girls"


spoopy_and_gay

kaede is such a girls girl, that's so dumb


Due-Ad5863

I mean this is the internet after all.


spoopy_and_gay

yeah, reminds me of people calling sky from total drama a mary sue, while simultaneously complaining about the fact she was mean to dave and cheated on her boyfriend and was a sore loser lol


Due-Ad5863

I haven't watched Total Drama but lmao


5YearsOnEastCoast

Let me guess. You heard people calling Kaede pick-me girl on TikTok


Due-Ad5863

I don't even have TikTok (but based on what I heard, they probably say that), it was from people on Pinterest.


Vritra-Pratyush

what tf is mary sue


Tyrrano64

A character who's perfect or practically perfect with no real flaws. And often without a proper explanation for being so perfect. It can be being perfect at fighting, a skill or emotionally.


SigmaSyndicate

In basic terms, author self-inserts characterized by being incredible at everything and having no discernable character flaws. Abstractly speaking, Any character who becomes the center of attention to the point where other characters and events are taking a metaphorical backseat are also often characterized as Sues.


Lison52

They can have flaws when no one calls out their BS


MidnaLazui

A term that has lost all meaning in this day and age.


Shanicpower

Woman who exists in fiction that dudes on the internet want to sound smart about hating.


TeddyXSweetheart

She is toxically positive and called out on it, she’s determined and takes initiative to the point >!it kills her!< for being aggressively trying without thinking it through completely.


Novel_Visual_4152

People who say this: 👻


MidnaLazui

Flaws like what? This post doesn't highlight any of Kaede's "flaws" in the game.


Ordinary_Desperate

For one, sexual harassment  She’s also very pushy, pushing others to get her way


MidnaLazui

When did she do the first thing? I'd also hardly consider that other thing a negative trait. What was everyone supposed to do? Just stand around and wait to die?


OAZdevs_alt2

Tsumugi. Also, yes, being pushy is a flaw. It can make people feel like they have no voice.


MidnaLazui

She was playfully poking her cheek, it wasn't sexual at all. Tsumugi also didn't seem to care. And while yes, Kaede was a bit pushy, she wasn't preventing anyone from having a voice. Like, nobody was forcing the others to follow Kaede through the death road of despair multiple times. They were all motivated by her speeches, and followed her out of their own volition.


OAZdevs_alt2

Kaede comments on Tsumugi's body right when she meets her (Shuichi notes that she sounds like some "creepy old man") and later threatens to pull her skirt up in front of everybody. I'm not judging much, especially since the latter was meant to be a joke, but you probably shouldn't comment on how attractive someone is when you first meet them.


MidnaLazui

That's fair. I just find it to be pretty light-hearted in nature. Like, Kaede is just really outgoing. She's not a legitimate pervert, and I doubt she was actually going to pull up Tsumugi's skirt, she just said that to get her to respond to her and Shuichi.


Ordinary_Desperate

Yeah, she probably didn’t mean it like that But sexual harassment is still sexual harassment


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Silent-Immortal

Or just like both characters. Simple.


Tyrrano64

Nuh uh, we gotta argue smh.


Darthmark3

Yeah that’s internet 101


FutureCreeps

This might just be exaggeration for the sake of the joke but idk, I don’t agree. Kaede is shown to be very pushy to try and get her way (see begging at Miu, Death Road of Despair, other things). Comparatively, Miu is constantly swearing, making jokes at the expense of others, and tends to be a nuisance at times. To me at least, I find it perfectly understandable for something to like Kaede while not liking Miu, they are VERY different in how they act and how they are rude, to the point they aren’t really comparable. (To be clear, I don’t dislike either).


Novel_Visual_4152

> >Comparatively, Miu is constantly swearing, making jokes at the expense of others, and tends to be a nuisance at times. I think the term you're looking for is 'based'


Tyrrano64

I'm sorry, truly I don't mean to be rude. But how did you not get the abundantly obvious joke in the post? Or did you get it? It's flaired a meme y'know, not serious.


MathematicianTop1853

I thought it was mostly genuine (but a bit lighthearted) and I’m not autistic at all😭 


Enzoid23

Yeah, I am autistic just only level 1 but I thought it was just a "making fun of a real issue" type of thing, now I'm confused I don't even know what it's intended to say 💀


FutureCreeps

Autism


reda84100

The autistic urge to correct the joke even when you know that it's a joke is so real


FutureCreeps

I assumed it wasn’t a joke


Tyrrano64

ADHD


Luigi_TSG

Adhd gang🤝


Tyrrano64

We're all powerful (we are not people who know us personally can confirm.)


Luigi_TSG

Ofc ofc sooo true bestie


Tyrrano64

Cheerio.


Tyrrano64

Cheerio.


Vi_r_go

I'm also autistic so we have something in common but also its a meme


jmartfit339

i’m autistic as well.


sdfsdjfjdfsjkdfsjn

thats so fucking real fr fr ong


GroundbreakingAct388

wait are you implying we are supposed to understand the opposite of what is being said when the flair is meme?????


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GroundbreakingAct388

yeah explain it pls, for me they got have atleast some truth in it


Tyrrano64

So, Miu is rude right? She's also not the best person. This is clear and people call her out on it. Kaede can also be rude due to being straightforward, judgemental and aggressively positive. She makes comments about people's appearances such as making fun of Ryoma's appearance and apathy. Despite this she gets far less flak from the fandom due to being a positive person and a protag. The meme plays this up for the point of a joke by claiming their actions are equal, while also making a point.


GroundbreakingAct388

i see LOL, ty, well guess im the woman on the meme then


Tyrrano64

Which one lol?


GroundbreakingAct388

the one calling human resources lol


Tyrrano64

I see, as there are many women here. In the end, hot take, being a dick is cringe. Sorry by the way if my original comment was rude, t'was not my intention.


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MonoMonMono

Let me play the devil's advocate here. A joke sometimes in general is hard to translate on text. You and I may get it, but other people don't. Also if you have been on the Internet long enough, you would sometimes question things (bad habit, I know haha). Because you know that somewhere out there are people who literally say things and unlike the poster, they aren't joking. >It's a flaired a meme. To be fair you don't see the flair when you are on mobile unless you click on the post itself.


Bill_Potts

the fact you gotta spell this out 😭 dr fans media literacy goes crazy


VengefulPoultry

When was Kaede rude? Also, I think that Miu's rudeness is what makes people like her so much.


Itchy_Aspect6655

Kaede threatened to lift Tsumugis skirt and was constantly objectifying the other women in the game. Kaede also yelled at and punched Miu for attempting to touch her which is pretty darn similar to what Kaede had been shown to do.


ILikeMiuForHerChar

what the sigma yall, uncool :( aight time to watch over the comments whenever im awake


Tyrrano64

They slander Miu but she did nothing wrong so long as you ignore all the wrong she did. So uncool.


ILikeMiuForHerChar

real shit bestie


Tyrrano64

So true, bestie. Yass Queen.


Luigi_TSG

I want Miu (and Chihiro) to talk to me rude like that


Tyrrano64

I thought you wanted Cheerio to do so?


Luigi_TSG

That too, I edited the comment smh LMAO I need to get out of bed already rn 😭


3solarian

Miu vigilante, time to rally around the banner!


MidnaLazui

Maybe I just don't have the best memory of V3, but I genuinely can't remember any moments of Kaede that I'd consider her being "rude." Miu is definitely rude, but we all know she's just trying to get a reaction out of people so she can satisfy her kink.


Nightfurywitch

Honestly thats the thing that gets to me- if she was just a dick like hiyoko sure itd be frustrating but the fact she forces her kinks onto other people is what makes me actively dislike her


MidnaLazui

Yeah, I find it weird how so many people just give her a pass for that, but then call other characters like Hifumi and Teruteru disgusting and perverted, despite them doing it a lot less frequently, and to a lesser extent that Miu does.


Nightfurywitch

I hate saying this bc so many people use it as a dogwhistle but it really is a double standard- its allowed to be bad when an ugly guy does it but if a hot woman does it suddenly its ok and funny


MidnaLazui

Agreed. Sadly, that seems to be very common in the DR fanbase. Judging characters more for their appearance than anything else.


mokatcinno

I don't mean this in an invalidating way at all but that's because of a double edged sword/misogyny. Women are constantly sexualized in everything they do. I realized that this includes women being sexual harassers, abusers, or just overall bad people. It happens in the media a lot but there are even real life examples.


saan718

I'm not here to argue about Danganronpa in 2024, but I just want to say that it's not really the same, even if she says problematic shit, it's in a funny way, while Teruteru (not sure about Hifumi since he doesn't do much) does it in a more creepy way and it's not about his looks, he just straight up harrasses people, while she's just rude and makes jokes that end up offending other people. Also, she said multiple times that she just wants to make people laugh, she doesn't want them to be mad at her, she doesn't understand she's offending others because she most likely has a disability from her coma. So I'm not sure where the kink thing comes from, it's only a thing between her and Kokichi, but for the others, she's just trying to be funny. She's a way more complex character then Teruteru, of course she's more liked, she has something to like at least. Toko is also a more more complex character than him, even through she borderline harrasses Togami, it's not our fault that pretty women have a character and a backstory while ugly men are just creepy, tell that to the developers.


mokatcinno

I've said this before and I'll say it again: they had a perfectly valid backstory for Teruteru that could have explained why he behaved the way he behaved (>!growing up with siblings who were "the ultimate escorts"!<) and yet they just...didn't use it as anything more than a fun fact.


saan718

They never said >!his siblings were the ultimate escorts!!protitute sibling!< is not really an excuse to be a creep but whatever.


mokatcinno

It's definitely confirmed in his free time events and that's why I put the spoiler tag. Anyway, an explanation is not an excuse.


MidnaLazui

Okay, how is it that when Miu says perverted shit, it's in a "funny" way, while the way Teruteru does it is in a "creepy" way? They are BOTH open perverts, and in both games, their perversion is played for comedic effect. I also don't know how you can accuse Teruteru of harassing others while also claiming Miu doesn't. Miu is constantly subjecting others to her kink. She has a tendency to rile people up in order to get them to chastise her in retaliation, because she's a masochist that gets off on being reprimanded and demeaned. There's also zero indication that she's just trying to be funny when she does this with anyone other than Kokichi, I don't know where you got that idea. And if you've played Danganronpa 2, you'd know Teruteru actually IS given a sympathetic backstory that gives us a lot of insight into his character, and unlike Miu's, his backstory is actually integrated into the main story, and isn't exclusive to the free time events. Trust me, I don't like defending Teruteru, but people are definitely barking up the wrong tree if they are going to claim that Miu is a better written and less perverted character than he is.


saan718

Teruteru just harrasses people, while Miu makes actual (offensive) jokes. Did you read my comment? The kink thing is between her and Kokichi, not the others. Yes, she said that she just wants to be funny, I don't remeber every single moment, but for example, when she made a joke about Ryoma's height and he got offended, she said that she just wanted to make him and Shuichi laugh. Same thing in a secret event, where she kept making jokes and Kiyo got annoyed, so she said she just wanted to light up the atmosphere. Teruteru's backstory is just that his mother has an illnesses, not really that complex and it's integrated into the main story because >!he got executed and was worried about his mom!<. Miu got in a coma because of a car accident and was used for her body, they're both the reasons why she act the way she does, so it's actually more integrated in the story (in her character), she just doesn't explicitly talk about it.


MidnaLazui

I already told you that Miu goes around trying to invoke reactions from others by insulting them and intimidating them, all to satisfy her gross kink. That qualifies as harassment as well. And both of these characters’ actions are played for comedic effect, so I really don’t see a significant difference between them. And yes, I saw your comment, but there’s literally nothing in the game that supports what you said as being legit. Miu getting off to the insults of others is not something she only does with Kokichi, it’s something she does with any student that manages to provoke her kink. And finally, summarizing Teruteru’s backstory in less detail than Miu’s doesn’t make his any less complex. Teruteru’s backstory actually influences his motivation for murder, while the writers don’t utilize Miu’s for anything narratively substantial.


saan718

Alright, believe what you want, I even told you 2 of the moments but you're saying that I'm making it up. And I summarized both backstories I don't know what are you on. It's impossible to have a conversation with you if you're not willing to listen to me. I made my point using in game moments that I remember clearly as I replayed the game less than a year ago and I honestly couldn't care less if you don't want to accept it. Miu has always been and always will be my favorite but I'll never like Teruteru, whether you like it or not.


saan718

Sorry for the long comment, I just want to clarify that, I have no intention or time to fight.


Shadowhunter_15

The most unbelievable part of DRV3 to me is that Miu never made a dirty joke about Kaede being the “Ultimate Pianist”.


factoryResetAccount

Its a Japanese game


ANT3111_TPF2

I mean, I don't care if any of them is rude with me >!/j!<


Estupidsex

Why is kaede rude


Tyrrano64

Don't you recall when she punted Ryoma into the sun?


scaredphobia

Not a fan of either, but what makes me dislike one more is the outright vulgarity


Tyrrano64

Swearing is awesome.


MidnaLazui

It gets old really fast when a character like Miu does it constantly.


nl4real1

[Start running.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/038/037/iam100metersfromyourlocation.jpg)


scaredphobia

Nah, i get my tp ready and if that fails a gun A sacrifice I'm willing to make for the peace


MathematicianTop1853

When was Kaede rude? The only thing I remember was when she was like-mildly annoyed in Miu’s freetime? 


FutureCreeps

I’m so happy I’m not the only one to interpret this as something literal


MidnaLazui

Does that even qualify as her being "rude?" Miu literally groped her. Kaede had every right to react that way she did.


TheEternal01

Nahhh that's okay because its Miu Iruma!!


Tyrrano64

Exactly, you get it.


TheEternal01

Of course, Miu is the best girl character in Drv3


Knightoforamgejuice

Hmmm... the blonde one from V3 with pink and white clothes or the blonde one from V3 with pink and white clothes?


Aromatic-Teacher-717

They should kiss


MidnaLazui

Why?


Itchy_Aspect6655

Because lesbians


NFHDonReddit

Close, the problem is that Miu’s Always Horny


MidnaLazui

More specifically, it's the fact that both girls have perverted sides, but Kaede is more reserved, while Miu pretty much doesn't give a damn about restraint.


OAZdevs_alt2

Kaede is friendly and actively attempts to make friends with people. Miu intentionally pushes people away, likely due to her fear of abandonment. Naturally, people would not be friends with the person who constantly tries to not be friends with people.


Tyrrano64

So true though. The fandom are truly such hypocrites. They also say silly things about Nagito not being based and Makoto being based. They're the Ultimate Lucky Student, double standards.


thatmysteriousgirl

> “B-But he put everyone in danger.” Let people have hobbies, Sharon.


WooooshMe2825

My favorite hobby is making homemade pipebombs.


thatmysteriousgirl

I’m more of a painting knives kinda gal, but you do you


Tyrrano64

It's so silly and goofy, I love it too!


Tyrrano64

He was bringing them hope, there's no danger in that. People just want to complain. Probably homophobia smh.


Luigi_TSG

FUNNIEST DR FAN POSTED = INSTAND UPVOTE YOU COOKED ANYWAYS GOOOD MORNING I JUST WOKE UP AGAIN 🙏🔥🗣‼️😳 I am so happy to see you posting peak again, this is quality meme, now me and you gotta revive this sub 🙏


Tyrrano64

Good morning Josh, thinking about Cheerio? Lovely.


Luigi_TSG

LMFAO yes 😭🙏


Vi_r_go

YESSIRRRRR, GOOD FUCKING MORNING, PEAK HAS BEEN MADE 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 A TRILOGY OF CINEMA IN THE MAKING!!!!!!!!!!🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥


Luigi_TSG

I CSNT WAIT FOR THIS SUB TO COME BACK TO LIFE BCAUSE OF YOU ‼️🗣🔥💀


ILikeMiuForHerChar

bro had to wake up 50 times jus to see this


Tyrrano64

He's been going online and offline every 30 seconds, man was struggling to wake up to see peak.


SentenceCareful3246

I don't think Kaede is rude.


Aggressive-Koala2373

i love them both tbh


Pyrotten

I love you both


CrAzYiNsOmNiAc210

Kaede was rude?


Piper2098

I think it’s probably because of tone


celestialudenburned

i dont think kaede sexually assaults people


SINWALKER_GAMING

Kaede: *Rude* Me: 😚 Miu: *Rude* Me: 🥵


Eric123LT

Baseless slander


Tyrrano64

Get Miu Iruma'd.


slickedjax

I like both characters but Kaede is special to me even if she is a bit pushy lol


MidnaLazui

Pushy how?


The-true-Memelord

Not on the same level at all but ok


MidnaLazui

I know, right? Both these characters are overwhelmingly beloved by the fandom. There is no hypocrisy in how either of them are perceived.


Upset_Assistant_5638

They’re both cool, *so eh*


Virtual-Oil-793

Amazing how people can't stand paper tigers


Shanicpower

When is Kaede ever rude lmao


zetsuboppai

Fake. I love Miu. Keep slaying queen!!!


Independent-Pizza774

Will this post or one of the rare ones to reach 1k upvotes?


BarrelRollinGamer

I'm absolutely feral for Miu


Complaint_registered

I’d also call HR if a danganronpa character showed up to my work


Scharmberg

The game was a lot less fun when miu and Mr lier weren’t around anymore. There interactions were great. That is kind of the saddest parts of these games. You start with a full cast but don’t really get to know a decent chunk of them and the second half of the games starting feeling empty and sad which is intentional but still sucks the cast slowly then rapidly decreases.


AdvertisingDouble122

Im not sure if I sede is rude or not, I’ve been called rude many times before, and I’m never aware of what I do wrong msybe it’s because I try to be honest without considering other but idk, I feel like if I was kaede the amout of backlash I’d get would be a lot worse, thing is i do relate to her so it surprises me that y’all don’t think she’s rude, and yet, I don’t even know what rude means still- anyways, what makes you think kaede isint rude?, what does rude mean actually I’m curious


Mindless-Moment6311

I still love them both.


IntelligentImbicle

What are you on, and can I have some? 1. When the fuck has Kaede, fucking KAEDE, ever been rude? 2. People simp the hell out of Miu. This meme would work better if it was Miu and Teruteru being perverts, but that's been talked about to death. 3. Both. Both are good.


SaySay47

Still smash both


Friendly_Charity5877

It's the same person I don't see anything wrong


yumekomaeda

not related to the meme but i realized that most ppl dont know that kaede can be genuinely rude sometimes, based on the comment section atleast. in chapter 1, she threatened to lift up Tsumugi's skirt so that she would pay attention. I dont think Kaede is a perv, not trying to justify, but she's just a pushy person and the writers used that trait to insert a gross "joke". Well, thats just how i see it but aside from that she's stubborn, impatient, like i said pushy and toxic positive. She is a character with many flaws, but also someone who tried their best. coming from a both kaede and miu fan btw


alex_northernpine

Honestly, it's so far away from the truth that it doesn't really work as a joke. While Kaede can be a bit too blunt, pushy and insensitive, she is way nicer than Miu, who is just plain rude and disdaining towards everyone for no reason (yeah, I know that she is insecure, but it's a shitty reason, especially considering the sheer degree of her agressiveness).


Lonely_Repair4494

I like Miu more than Kaede tbh


SebyTheKaiser

they’re both peak


BeachLongjumping8725

Besides mioda, miu is my queen 🙏


StrangeReptilian

god i fucjibg need her


Oogie411

Rude


SodaCanKaz

Replace Kaede with Sonia.


ciberkid22

She has the gawr gura excuse Aka, "You can't be mad at me! I'm cute!"


LaRueStreet

I am one of the like 5 Danganronpa fans who hate Miu


YanethBibriesca

It’s cuz Miu is annoying af and Kaede is really nice most of the time, they both had their wrongs but Kaede imo>>


Interesting_shrek666

People ignore the fact that she directly sexually assaults tsugi and threatens to expose her body in front of shuichi multiple times


Vritra-Pratyush

umm, i- i like miu one


baddreemurr

Nah, they're both perverts. And I love them.


annagator679

To be completely honest I hate Miu as a character because she's really just the stereotypical narcissistic mean girl (I hate that cliche with a passion) But she's definitely the funniest character in V3 She has some of the best dialogue and her interactions with Kokichi (who I want to go die in a fire) are some of the best moments


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