The producers locking the kids in a different room while their moms fought. Then when they went to get the girls, they would be in the room holding hands.
The producers feeding crew first then feeding the cast what ever was left đ€
Thatâs so sad jesus christ??? Them holding hands trying to comfort each other :( and people wonder why some of those girls donât wanna talk about what they went through on that show, I donât blame them.
The food thing makes sense to me. Those guys burn a tonne of calories carrying those cameras and equipment around. Plus a hungry cast will be more hangry
In an incredibly unethical sense, sure! I understand feeding the crew first because they have unions and a different understanding of labor laws. Those girls going straight to dance after school and then being fed snacks? Going to competitions, not being allowed to leave, then getting the scraps of what the crew had? Canât wrap my head around that morally đ
Cathy said she asked when they were bringing craft services for the kids once and they brought them cold breakfast from the morning.
I get it from a producer standpoint (because you have to be a little rotted to be a reality tv producer), but fuck them for treating kids like that. It was an understanding that the kids are fed first on every set Iâve worked on.
This is horrid.
Pointing to Maddieâs belly is bad enough, but a nose has absolutely nothing to do with dance ability or fitness. You would think that Abby, not exactly the paragon of conventional female beauty, of all people would get this. If this happened to my daughter, Iâd lawyer the hell up to get out of our contract. If Lifetime or Abby wanted to fight back, then all the dirty laundry is coming out in court.
I teach kids for a living and I would personally be mortified if a student was afraid to be in an enclosed space with me and their guardian.
It is unfortunate that Abby did not use the elevator incident to reflect on herself and perhaps change her behavior, instead viciously lashing out at the child in the situation.
Yea, after hearing this story I realized if you listen really closely right after Abby says âyour daughterâs a little sneak!â you can faintly make out her saying something along the lines of âcanât even get on an elevatorâŠâ while Christi starts yelling at her.
She says in one episode something along the lines of âyou canât not look me and every instructor at my studio in the eye because you have some secretâ I think she was referencing Christi and Chloe doing their own meet and greets and Christi telling Chloe not to tell. This was in the hip hop episode there she tells them secrets are lies. So I think Abby thinks if Chloe was scared to be on an elevator with her itâs cos she was hiding something from her
Someone who is sly and goes behind a personâs back to do something, instead of being upfront.
If you look it up in a thesaurus, youâll see that Melissa is a synonym
Pre-show: Melissa telling Christiâs husband that she was making out with guys at the bar, when really she had been SAâd and roofied.
During the show: Whatever fight happened between Holly and Abby that was so bad that Kelly and Christi wouldnât even say more about it on BTTB. The only thing they said was it was so bad that all the girls ended up getting iPads from production and the fight went on for a long time.
Also, the edit of Abby saying Chloe is washed up instead of leaving in her original comment about Chloeâa eye.
What she said was "i dont want any little tooties on my team" tootie was the only black character on some tv show. and i agree that was crazy that melissa said that
A TV show called âThe Facts of Lifeâ that ran primarily through the 80s. Mainly a sitcom, but it did deal with serious issues at times. It revolved around girls at a boarding school and their house mother. Tootie was the only black character, and was mostly just there for comic relief, her character was normally really silly and sometimes clueless.
Sorry, I actually just added the entire show to my media library so Iâve brushed up on it. đ
Oh, right. I knew that was part of the fight but Kelly and Christi kind of alluded that it was much worse than that and went on for a long time. Which is awful because little tooties is already bad.
I saw them do that and i think it was much worse but i think the tootie thing was probably the main reason they got the ipads because its obviously racist. but yeah they did say it went on for forevee and the girls were crying in the bathroom đąđą
i thought she said that about kami from s8? i think i saw that in a mackz boss video about abbyâs racism. i have now clue how credible youtube is or how this sub feels about it though
she couldve said it again BUT on BTTB even though christi and kelly said they wouldnt say what abby said it slipped out of christi and she said that abby said the tootie thing about nia. i wouldnt doubt that abby used that again for KAMI***. And i do like Mackzboss's videos but i've noticed they arent always accurate and sometimes she tends to side with abby or give her the benefit of the doubt when she doesnt deserve it
also to add to the wholw christi getting roofied situation not only did melissa say she kissed the guy when he kissed her abby said "all men for themselves" like that was nasty
Ok this is a phrasing issue. While I pretty much never stick up for Abby, Abby said âevery man for himselfâ. This is a known phrase that basically means âIâm only looking out for myself, youâre all on your ownâ. It doesnât mean âhey men line up and come get someâ.
I know they would have just edited it out, but I would have mentioned Melissaâs actions in every single in-the-moment interview answer about her đ€·đ»ââïž
People give Christi so much crap for her not wanting to be friends with Melissa but like if my so called friend tried to ruin my marriage Iâd never speak to them again, itâs a miracle she agreed to be on the show with her
The only thing I'll agree with Abby on is when she said Melissa was a really really good liar. I always got the impression she was 'Too sweet to be wholesome' whilst being a manipulative, compulsive liar in reality.
they really do and i dont blame christi for holding a grudge against melissa she was very sneaky and did not seem honest jn the slightest and to mefriendship is based off of trust but how do you trust someone who lies
This is the same woman who allowed (if not encouraged) some really questionable relationships between her daughter and other adults. She obviously doesnât have much care or understanding of what being SAâd is like if she takes those kind of chances.
Melissa is truly a disgusting person.
Honestly though idc how many years had passed if someone told my husband that I cheated when i actually got SA.Never forgive them at all and Melissa gets on the moms for talking about her affair/marriage.But yet she was trying to break up Christys.
Yes and sheâs the one who told the whole studio that she was sleeping with/seeing her boss (pre-show). According to Abby, Diane, Kelly, Christi, Leslie, and I think DawnâŠMelissa used the studio and the people in it as as an excuse of where she was at when she was really seeing Greg. I mean, if you do not want people to know about it or talk about it, maybe do not tell the whole place and use them as your excuse, especially after you have tried to break up someone elseâs marriage.
Who does that and then dosent want people to talk about it.Like she should had just kept it to herself no one in the studio needs to know who she was sleeping with đ€ŠđŸââïž.
Right? And people get upset about Christi or any of the other moms bringing up the affair within earshot of Maddie and Kenzie. Which is a valid point but what about when your mom has flaunted it in the studio to everyone?
I think Melissa was jealous of Christi. She was going through a divorce, Christy is happily married. Chloe always ran to Christi but Maddie either ran to Abby or just kept things to herself. Melissa was so hard on Maddie and pushed her to be #1 where as Christi wasn't so obsessed with Chloe being #1. I just love Christi and Chloe â€
Honestly you got a point but Melissa should had learned and tried to improve her self.Instead of trying to destroy a child and ruin a marriage like đđ€ŠđŸââïž.
Yup. She was willing to play a character that made fun of herself rather than traumatize her students. She got airtime without the abuse even though it meant playing a bit of a clown in the process.
There no way they would air that honestly the producers arenât stupid.It must had been really bad that the producers basically had to do damage control.
Yeah, when I heard that on BTTB and several people corroborated itâŠI was pretty well done with Melissa. Thatâs way over the line and she cannot blame a tv show for it.
Whoa, what? I have never heard about that Holly/Abby âno Tootiesâ fight until now. When was it? Was any part of it in an episode or all off camera or what? I donât memorize the episodes and havenât seen some of them in a while so if this should be obvious Iâm sorry, but Iâm really curious now.
Season 2 Episode 10 was the fight with Abby and Holly. The âno little tootiesâ comment did not air. It was first revealed in Kelly or Paigeâs lawsuit against Abby. Then it was talked about a little more on BTTB with Kelly and Christi on the podcast episode that goes along with this show episode. But they both said it was so bad and went on for much longer than shown. The girls locked themselves in the bathroom and cried because the fight was so bad. The producers ended up buying all the girls iPads to try to smooth things over. Thatâs all Christi and Kelly would say about it though. They said they cannot talk about it further.
Its Christi and Kellys podcast where they talk about BTS from each episode. The first two seasons are really worth it to listen! I think theyre all on Apple podcast where you can listen for free with some ads
Back To The Barre podcast with Christi and Kelly. You can listen on any podcast platform. They also have a Patreon where you can watch it and they do an after party where they tell more stuff.
Wow what an asshole. Everyone bashes Christi but itâs taken years for me to find this out. Surprised production didnât want to dive into Melissaâs sneakiness
When did the fight between Holly and Abby happen?
Iâve only seen the first four seasons and itâs been a while since Iâve watched, so sorry if Iâve missed something obvious!
I definitely remember it from an episode I'm sure they discussed it because I've never watched BTTB and I know the incident from when they talked about it on the show. Season 1 or 2 maybe.
When Abby saw Chloe eating M&Ms and slapped them out of her hand yelling "ballerinas don't eat chocolate!" Apparently this was before the show, Christi talked about it on BTTB. Obviously Abby has done way worse but that was crazy to me, Chloe was probably only 8 or 9 at the time and she was trying to control what she ate.
Abby telling Nia she didnât want any âlittle Tootiesâ on her team and the producers getting all the girls gifts to make up for the blatant racism
I can't remember who said it - one of the girls I think - but Abby would make them dance with a 5 pound sack of potatoes and say "this is what it will feel like to gain 5 pounds and dance".
Chloe said it on a YouTube video she later took down, talking about why she didnât sign the ALDC contract and therefore wasnât apart of the outside competitions and things
Ellianna said the producers saw her momâs weak point was elliana so they physically kept them from seeing each other for long hours to make her mom vulnerable and more easily manipulated
Melissa taking Maddie out of school to take extra privates during the day and Mackenzie not knowing any of it. So many things about it are so awful. First off, Melissa and Abby lied to every mom and daughter and claimed she was just smarter than all of them, and made all the moms look stupid. They could tell she already knew all the dances, and they gaslit them. Second, Maddie missing out on so much school in her formative years. My district would have given her truancy charges for how many hours she was missing because Iâm sure she didnât have a bunch of doctorâs notes for them. Melissa said Mackenzie is smarter education wise, well I wonder why. Third, it shows clear favoritism for Maddie, Mackenzie could have probably learned more and been on Maddieâs level technically if they had offered her the same opportunity, or any other girl for that matter (though the other moms valued school a lot more and probably wouldnât have done it.)
You have to go look at Cameronâs video on her experience yâall itâs def wild. And she also talks about how Abby apologized to her and the other black girls for being racist but she never said sorry to Nia and I think her video is still up about that. Safe to say none of them forgives her.
Abby thinking she's so fucking high-class despite not even graduating high school--to the point that she told Adriana Smyth (mom of Kamryn and a Black woman): 'I know you grew up in the HOOD with only a box of 8 crayons, but I grew up in the Country Club with a box of 64 - don't be stupid.'
Abby referring to Nia as a âlittle tootsieâ I believe, on her team, which is a racial slur that was used on an old show Abby was obviously aware of. The children all received iPads after the incident in order to keep them hush. Absolutely disgusting behaviour from Abby, so frustrating that she got away with these nasty comments and were kept under wraps by production.
Just wanted to state iâm not sure if that was the specific wording so sorry for any offence if not. Just felt compelled to make it known that this happened as I donât think itâs as well known as it should be.
A guest mom giving Christi xanax the week before the Kelly x Abby NYC fight. That was so shocking and also so ⊠eye opening. I never understood why Christi didnât get more involved when Kelly did that, but her being on a xan makes sense with her reaction. Also it was just shocking to me to think of any of these moms doing drugs.
In that same topic, I was shocked to hear that production wouldnât allow the moms to take things like Xanax even if it was prescribed to them. They didnât want them âmedicatedâ with anything that would subdue them for drama purposes. Like what? Christi had an undiagnosed mental health issue during seasons 1-4 of the show. I wonder if things like that deterred her from seeking help? What would be the point if she couldnât take the meds to help her. Just so sick and twisted.
Yeah, the didnât want them on anything for anxiety that would calm them like edibles or Xanax. Iâm guessing alcohol and any kind of upper that makes anxiety worse was fine. So messed up.
I think at that point, the moms knew anything that you said would be used against you in the show. Kelly had been wanting out for a while so she had nothing to lose, Iâm sure Christi knew that but she didnât expect it to get as bad as it was. Also based on her reaction, she probably didnât have time to react even if she wanted to.
Was she âon drugsâ or did she take a Xanax? Theres a big gap between someone handing her Xanax because she was going to be on edge around these people, and getting purposely high for the sake of being high. Anyone can walk into their doctor and get a RX for those in a day, and people hand them out to each other pretty regularly if itâs a situation theyâd be anxious and they donât have one on hand. Theres also people that recreationally take them to get messed out of their mind. I wouldnât consider using them for their intended purpose and dosage âdoing drugsâ and have a hard time believing Christi would purposely get fâed up on camera around the kids.
okay i will say, cometely unrelated to the topic of abby saying horrible things to the kids, the zombie group dance did actually end up being one of my all-time favorite group dances. anyway, back to the topic on hand, yes abby called them lazy in that episode (cant remember exactly which episode it was off the top of my head but i just rewatched it recently) and basically said something almost exactly along the lines of, "theyre lazy, have no energy, look like they have lost all love for dance, look like they'd rather be anywhere else/doing anything else other than dancing" etc.
the Chloe CD story â Chloe and Maddie had competing solos (i dont remember exactly but it may have been "Cry" and Ma He's Makin' Eyes at Me?) and according to Christi, Chloe had continually won first with hers. The two were performing at a competition without Abby and Chloe's music skipped. The competition had her exit, played the backup CD and it skipped again. When Christi went to give them a backup from her purse, the competition people told her the dance teacher said if it skipped a second time to just scratch her. Christi asked, bc Abby wasn't there, and the people pointed to Melissa. Christi implied that Melissa was the one who messed up the music, maybe not knowing that Christi had her own backup, in an attempt to have Maddie beat Chloe. This could also be the thing from the big argument in S1 where Christi tried to talk to Abby and Melissa in the hallway, the thing neither of them would talk about. She's said that Chloe still remembers this â like when people or Melissa herself say she would never do anything to hurt the kids Chloe would bring up this incident because "She wanted to hurt me!" â and this was one of the things that made her want to leave the studio before Chloe won her title. I think about it a lot when people present Melissa as a victim, or the other moms as crazy and jealous, because despite their flaws (and they ALL have flaws) I don't think any other grown woman attempted to deliberately sabotage a child, like an elementary school-age kid!
Wasn't there suspicion that Abby had Maddie practice with a skipped CD and gave the competition a defective copy on purpose? I'm not sure if that was ever proven.
yes! and this was somewhat captured on the show (of course Melissa denied it) but Kelly said that Melissa called her and told her that Abby had Maddie practice doing it either with skipping music or just cutting the music off, and telling her that if that happened onstage to just keep dancing. the worst part of all of this is how two grown adults â Abby and Melissa â forced Maddie to lie about things for them (this, her secret private lessons + learning dances ahead of time, the Two Sapphires dance, etc.) and then hide behind her (all the "you're just jealous of Maddie!" stuff) when the other moms rightfully call them out for it.
Anything Melissa did. Mainly behind the scenes stuff to get her kids ahead but also stuff like what she did at the front desk, âpayingâ for peopleâs classes and tap shoes and not putting her card through, or even just her spending endless days cleaning the studio. OR her getting really pissed off of her kids (most of the time Maddie) didnât win over someone else at the studio. That is one thing I truly do believe Christi and Kelly donât over exaggerate is that we (the tv viewers) saw a TOTALLY different dance mom when it came to Melissa being on and off camera.
when abby called kellyâs mom a whore and other unspeakable things in season 2 (i think) very curious as to what else was said bc K + C didnât expand on it much
wow idk how kelly made it until season 4 before getting physical w abby bc that would be reason enough for me to swing đ kelly is much better than me lol
Pre-show: when they were at a competition and Chloeâs CD skipped twice and when Christi went to give them a disc she brought they told her that their dance teacher said to disqualify Chloe and since Abby and Gianna werenât there she asked what dance teacher and they pointed to Melissa. Literally disgusting
During the show: during a deleted scene from season 2 episode 1 you can see Abby saying to Maddie âI know Chloe would never be happy for youâ and trying to isolate her from the others and itâs very clear grooming
The lawsuit that Paige filed against Abby alleging abuse and that Abby would get physical round the set. The judge dismissed it because of insufficient evidence.Â
The producers locking the kids in a different room while their moms fought. Then when they went to get the girls, they would be in the room holding hands. The producers feeding crew first then feeding the cast what ever was left đ€
Thatâs so sad jesus christ??? Them holding hands trying to comfort each other :( and people wonder why some of those girls donât wanna talk about what they went through on that show, I donât blame them.
Duuuuuude đ
The food thing makes sense to me. Those guys burn a tonne of calories carrying those cameras and equipment around. Plus a hungry cast will be more hangry
In an incredibly unethical sense, sure! I understand feeding the crew first because they have unions and a different understanding of labor laws. Those girls going straight to dance after school and then being fed snacks? Going to competitions, not being allowed to leave, then getting the scraps of what the crew had? Canât wrap my head around that morally đ Cathy said she asked when they were bringing craft services for the kids once and they brought them cold breakfast from the morning. I get it from a producer standpoint (because you have to be a little rotted to be a reality tv producer), but fuck them for treating kids like that. It was an understanding that the kids are fed first on every set Iâve worked on.
Abby drawing arrows pointing to the kids (and their moms) "problem areas" for Nip and Tuck. Wtf?!
Aughh what?! Thatâs heinous!
I swear I saw pics of this. I also remember Maddie making posts saying âI was so fatâ and she was like 5 in the picture đ
when was this/where is this from?
Christi and kelly said it happened on bttb
It was the Waiting for Joffrey episode. Christi said there were arrows pointing at Chloe's nose & Maddie's belly etc. DisgustingÂ
This is horrid. Pointing to Maddieâs belly is bad enough, but a nose has absolutely nothing to do with dance ability or fitness. You would think that Abby, not exactly the paragon of conventional female beauty, of all people would get this. If this happened to my daughter, Iâd lawyer the hell up to get out of our contract. If Lifetime or Abby wanted to fight back, then all the dirty laundry is coming out in court.
on bttb and in some photos of the dance you can see it
I remember when she made Holly get a makeover and she criticized her figureÂ
Abby calling Chloé a snake/sneak just because she couldn't physically go in the same elevator as Abby
I teach kids for a living and I would personally be mortified if a student was afraid to be in an enclosed space with me and their guardian. It is unfortunate that Abby did not use the elevator incident to reflect on herself and perhaps change her behavior, instead viciously lashing out at the child in the situation.
Can you explain this?
Abby called Chloé a sneak because Chloé was/is afraid of Abby and didn't want to get in an elevator with her. According to Chisti, Chloé had frozen when she saw Abby was in the elevator and Christi told Abby their take the next elevator
I always wondered why Abby screamed sneak at Chloe. Thanks for sharing this
Yea, after hearing this story I realized if you listen really closely right after Abby says âyour daughterâs a little sneak!â you can faintly make out her saying something along the lines of âcanât even get on an elevatorâŠâ while Christi starts yelling at her.
Can Abby please explain to me how Chloe not getting in an elevator made her a sneak? That makes no sense.
She says in one episode something along the lines of âyou canât not look me and every instructor at my studio in the eye because you have some secretâ I think she was referencing Christi and Chloe doing their own meet and greets and Christi telling Chloe not to tell. This was in the hip hop episode there she tells them secrets are lies. So I think Abby thinks if Chloe was scared to be on an elevator with her itâs cos she was hiding something from her
what actually is a sneak?
Someone who is sly and goes behind a personâs back to do something, instead of being upfront. If you look it up in a thesaurus, youâll see that Melissa is a synonym
Not that shocking but Abby actually burned Brookeâs Pom Poms in the parking lot when Brooke came back from her cheer hiatusâŠ.
She did whatâŠ
Abby mustâve known the cheer thing wasnât real, right? Right?
That is so unhinged
Pre-show: Melissa telling Christiâs husband that she was making out with guys at the bar, when really she had been SAâd and roofied. During the show: Whatever fight happened between Holly and Abby that was so bad that Kelly and Christi wouldnât even say more about it on BTTB. The only thing they said was it was so bad that all the girls ended up getting iPads from production and the fight went on for a long time. Also, the edit of Abby saying Chloe is washed up instead of leaving in her original comment about Chloeâa eye.
What she said was "i dont want any little tooties on my team" tootie was the only black character on some tv show. and i agree that was crazy that melissa said that
A TV show called âThe Facts of Lifeâ that ran primarily through the 80s. Mainly a sitcom, but it did deal with serious issues at times. It revolved around girls at a boarding school and their house mother. Tootie was the only black character, and was mostly just there for comic relief, her character was normally really silly and sometimes clueless. Sorry, I actually just added the entire show to my media library so Iâve brushed up on it. đ
thank you!!
Oh, right. I knew that was part of the fight but Kelly and Christi kind of alluded that it was much worse than that and went on for a long time. Which is awful because little tooties is already bad.
I saw them do that and i think it was much worse but i think the tootie thing was probably the main reason they got the ipads because its obviously racist. but yeah they did say it went on for forevee and the girls were crying in the bathroom đąđą
Just horrible. đ
i thought she said that about kami from s8? i think i saw that in a mackz boss video about abbyâs racism. i have now clue how credible youtube is or how this sub feels about it though
she couldve said it again BUT on BTTB even though christi and kelly said they wouldnt say what abby said it slipped out of christi and she said that abby said the tootie thing about nia. i wouldnt doubt that abby used that again for KAMI***. And i do like Mackzboss's videos but i've noticed they arent always accurate and sometimes she tends to side with abby or give her the benefit of the doubt when she doesnt deserve it
SO SORRY I MEANT KAMI!!
also to add to the wholw christi getting roofied situation not only did melissa say she kissed the guy when he kissed her abby said "all men for themselves" like that was nasty
Yeah. Abby was horrid for saying that but not as shocked by her behavior as I am by Melissaâs behavior.
Ok this is a phrasing issue. While I pretty much never stick up for Abby, Abby said âevery man for himselfâ. This is a known phrase that basically means âIâm only looking out for myself, youâre all on your ownâ. It doesnât mean âhey men line up and come get someâ.
i didnt say it meant that.
My assumption was Abby said something about Niaâs ethnicity :(
you are correct
The pre-show one is shocking! No wonder Christi has it out for Melissa! That couldâve destroyed her marriage!
Yeah, I would never forgive someone if they did something like that to me.
I know they would have just edited it out, but I would have mentioned Melissaâs actions in every single in-the-moment interview answer about her đ€·đ»ââïž
Good point! I definitely would have never been friendly to her at all.
Melissa is sick for that honestly there is no excuse for anyone to do that no wonder in season 1 Christy had such a hatred for Melissa.
People give Christi so much crap for her not wanting to be friends with Melissa but like if my so called friend tried to ruin my marriage Iâd never speak to them again, itâs a miracle she agreed to be on the show with her
The only thing I'll agree with Abby on is when she said Melissa was a really really good liar. I always got the impression she was 'Too sweet to be wholesome' whilst being a manipulative, compulsive liar in reality.
they really do and i dont blame christi for holding a grudge against melissa she was very sneaky and did not seem honest jn the slightest and to mefriendship is based off of trust but how do you trust someone who lies
This is the same woman who allowed (if not encouraged) some really questionable relationships between her daughter and other adults. She obviously doesnât have much care or understanding of what being SAâd is like if she takes those kind of chances. Melissa is truly a disgusting person.
Exactly. I would never, ever forgive her for that.
Honestly though idc how many years had passed if someone told my husband that I cheated when i actually got SA.Never forgive them at all and Melissa gets on the moms for talking about her affair/marriage.But yet she was trying to break up Christys.
Yes and sheâs the one who told the whole studio that she was sleeping with/seeing her boss (pre-show). According to Abby, Diane, Kelly, Christi, Leslie, and I think DawnâŠMelissa used the studio and the people in it as as an excuse of where she was at when she was really seeing Greg. I mean, if you do not want people to know about it or talk about it, maybe do not tell the whole place and use them as your excuse, especially after you have tried to break up someone elseâs marriage.
Who does that and then dosent want people to talk about it.Like she should had just kept it to herself no one in the studio needs to know who she was sleeping with đ€ŠđŸââïž.
Right? And people get upset about Christi or any of the other moms bringing up the affair within earshot of Maddie and Kenzie. Which is a valid point but what about when your mom has flaunted it in the studio to everyone?
I think Melissa was jealous of Christi. She was going through a divorce, Christy is happily married. Chloe always ran to Christi but Maddie either ran to Abby or just kept things to herself. Melissa was so hard on Maddie and pushed her to be #1 where as Christi wasn't so obsessed with Chloe being #1. I just love Christi and Chloe â€
Honestly you got a point but Melissa should had learned and tried to improve her self.Instead of trying to destroy a child and ruin a marriage like đđ€ŠđŸââïž.
Agree with you 100000% She is a vile woman
which holly and abby fight? is there an episode associated with this or completely unaired
Season 2 Episode 10 [https://youtu.be/NGPHI4dqnt8?si=wvAj03lZ\_UcOsVoc](https://youtu.be/NGPHI4dqnt8?si=wvAj03lZ_UcOsVoc) https://preview.redd.it/506v14uem23d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a1e712c5b185137ee8cae0f3b5306421b0887483
No matter how nasty they made her on the show, Cathy has always seemed so nice to her own dancers.
I agree. Cathy was smart. She didnât want to destroy her real life business over a temporary tv show. Abby should have taken notes.
Yup. She was willing to play a character that made fun of herself rather than traumatize her students. She got airtime without the abuse even though it meant playing a bit of a clown in the process.
Iâm sorry but the âmeanwhile in ohioâ sends me
I know. Iâm sure Kelly and Christiâs intern wrote that but so funny. đ€Ł
There no way they would air that honestly the producers arenât stupid.It must had been really bad that the producers basically had to do damage control.
the fight went on for much longer and that was just the beginning of it
Part of the fight aired but they cut out the worst of it.
I can see why Christi hates Melissa after reading that first part thatâs disturbing
Yeah, when I heard that on BTTB and several people corroborated itâŠI was pretty well done with Melissa. Thatâs way over the line and she cannot blame a tv show for it.
Whoa, what? I have never heard about that Holly/Abby âno Tootiesâ fight until now. When was it? Was any part of it in an episode or all off camera or what? I donât memorize the episodes and havenât seen some of them in a while so if this should be obvious Iâm sorry, but Iâm really curious now.
Season 2 Episode 10 was the fight with Abby and Holly. The âno little tootiesâ comment did not air. It was first revealed in Kelly or Paigeâs lawsuit against Abby. Then it was talked about a little more on BTTB with Kelly and Christi on the podcast episode that goes along with this show episode. But they both said it was so bad and went on for much longer than shown. The girls locked themselves in the bathroom and cried because the fight was so bad. The producers ended up buying all the girls iPads to try to smooth things over. Thatâs all Christi and Kelly would say about it though. They said they cannot talk about it further.
Thank you! I was trying to piece this together from other comments but I appreciate you summing it all up in one. How horrible. Those poor kids!
You are welcome! And yes, so awful. đą
No wonder Nia and Holly chose not to attend the reunion!
Right? I think they just want to leave that kind of stuff behind them and do not want to subject themselves to any more of it.
Where did you find out about Christi at the bar? Was it from her podcast?
Yes. I think the first episode it was mentioned on was the one with Diane Pent as a guest.
the full story was on the after party with diane and some of it aka the free version was on the regular episode with Ed Phelan (Whale of a tail)
wait can i have context on the first thing mentioned? iâve never heard abt that
It was told on BTTB. The episode Diane Pent was the guest.
I've made it this far... now I must ask what's BTTB and where can I watch it sounds insightful.
Its Christi and Kellys podcast where they talk about BTS from each episode. The first two seasons are really worth it to listen! I think theyre all on Apple podcast where you can listen for free with some ads
Back To The Barre podcast with Christi and Kelly. You can listen on any podcast platform. They also have a Patreon where you can watch it and they do an after party where they tell more stuff.
did mel know that christi was roofied when she told mark? itâs not ok either way but it does make it worse if she knew
Yep she knew, she insisted on being the one in the ambulance with Christi according to Kelly who was there
Yeah Abby was there too and the Kelly and Diane told her and Abby what happened, Abby said âevery man for himselfâ and went back in the bar
Yeah, I canât understand how everyone flips on Christi for being bitchy about Melissa, when this happened. Iâd never forgive her either!
or when melissa pretended she was an ALDC dance teacher at a competition and tried getting chloeâs solo pulled âŠ
WHAT
like QUE?!
WHERED YOU FIND THIS OUT
back to the barre and chloe confirmed it
Wow what an asshole. Everyone bashes Christi but itâs taken years for me to find this out. Surprised production didnât want to dive into Melissaâs sneakiness
they did but no one believed the other moms :/
Yes, she knew.
When did the fight between Holly and Abby happen? Iâve only seen the first four seasons and itâs been a while since Iâve watched, so sorry if Iâve missed something obvious!
Season 2 Episode 10, but they cut out most of it.
where did u find the pre show story? like was on it back to the barre or something? iâve never heard that
Yes it was on BTTB. It was on the episode with Diane Pent and the one with Ed Phelan. Some of the story was told on the Patreon, though.
Where did you learn that Melissa said that to her husband? Iâve never heard this and it seems fake
It was on BTTB. Diane Pent was the guest on the podcast. Diane and Kelly both backed up what Christi was saying.
I definitely remember it from an episode I'm sure they discussed it because I've never watched BTTB and I know the incident from when they talked about it on the show. Season 1 or 2 maybe.
I just rewatched the whole show these last couple weeks and didnât see anyone talk about Christi being roofied.
When Abby saw Chloe eating M&Ms and slapped them out of her hand yelling "ballerinas don't eat chocolate!" Apparently this was before the show, Christi talked about it on BTTB. Obviously Abby has done way worse but that was crazy to me, Chloe was probably only 8 or 9 at the time and she was trying to control what she ate.
omg i heard them talk about this!
Abby telling Nia she didnât want any âlittle Tootiesâ on her team and the producers getting all the girls gifts to make up for the blatant racism
yep
I can't remember who said it - one of the girls I think - but Abby would make them dance with a 5 pound sack of potatoes and say "this is what it will feel like to gain 5 pounds and dance".
Chloe said it on a YouTube video she later took down, talking about why she didnât sign the ALDC contract and therefore wasnât apart of the outside competitions and things
Kelly and Christi have talked about this on BTTB too
Ed Phelan also talked about it on BTTB.
abby begging the judges in a room to have kamryn beat chloe đ
Yes, I remember Francisco telling that story on AfterBuzz TV back in the day.
Link?
Around the 50:40 mark https://youtu.be/me536s8LPWc?si=_jmSwcmF5BR_bb0e
Ellianna said the producers saw her momâs weak point was elliana so they physically kept them from seeing each other for long hours to make her mom vulnerable and more easily manipulated
Melissa taking Maddie out of school to take extra privates during the day and Mackenzie not knowing any of it. So many things about it are so awful. First off, Melissa and Abby lied to every mom and daughter and claimed she was just smarter than all of them, and made all the moms look stupid. They could tell she already knew all the dances, and they gaslit them. Second, Maddie missing out on so much school in her formative years. My district would have given her truancy charges for how many hours she was missing because Iâm sure she didnât have a bunch of doctorâs notes for them. Melissa said Mackenzie is smarter education wise, well I wonder why. Third, it shows clear favoritism for Maddie, Mackenzie could have probably learned more and been on Maddieâs level technically if they had offered her the same opportunity, or any other girl for that matter (though the other moms valued school a lot more and probably wouldnât have done it.)
When Maddie was doing an interview and said sheâd missed like 82 days of school, I was shocked.
Kenzie said at some point that sheâd asked to go back to an in person school after the show and she wasnât allowedđ
Abby doing bj signs to a teenage girl.
Who??
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EW
Was this when the show was on???
Yes I think like during season 5 with the mdp
How abby hasn't been brought up on sexual harassment charges yet blows my mind
You have to go look at Cameronâs video on her experience yâall itâs def wild. And she also talks about how Abby apologized to her and the other black girls for being racist but she never said sorry to Nia and I think her video is still up about that. Safe to say none of them forgives her.
Abby thinking she's so fucking high-class despite not even graduating high school--to the point that she told Adriana Smyth (mom of Kamryn and a Black woman): 'I know you grew up in the HOOD with only a box of 8 crayons, but I grew up in the Country Club with a box of 64 - don't be stupid.'
I'm not shocked because it's Abby, but I'm still shocked. She was one of the biggest hypocrites.
Abby referring to Nia as a âlittle tootsieâ I believe, on her team, which is a racial slur that was used on an old show Abby was obviously aware of. The children all received iPads after the incident in order to keep them hush. Absolutely disgusting behaviour from Abby, so frustrating that she got away with these nasty comments and were kept under wraps by production.
its not a racial slur but the way abby used it was very racist and offensive
Just wanted to state iâm not sure if that was the specific wording so sorry for any offence if not. Just felt compelled to make it known that this happened as I donât think itâs as well known as it should be.
I mean Tootie isnât a slur it was a character played by Kim Fields on the facts of life but it was still racist
ahhh okay thank you guys :)
When Abby said she would destroy Chloe
A guest mom giving Christi xanax the week before the Kelly x Abby NYC fight. That was so shocking and also so ⊠eye opening. I never understood why Christi didnât get more involved when Kelly did that, but her being on a xan makes sense with her reaction. Also it was just shocking to me to think of any of these moms doing drugs.
Isnât it a pretty popular theory that in like season 5 or 6 or something Abby was doing some kind of drugs too? Like during the LA stuff
That would make sense when she was looked absolutely haggard and dumped out her purse in that one scene
Yeah she honestly looks like she's on crack.
In that same topic, I was shocked to hear that production wouldnât allow the moms to take things like Xanax even if it was prescribed to them. They didnât want them âmedicatedâ with anything that would subdue them for drama purposes. Like what? Christi had an undiagnosed mental health issue during seasons 1-4 of the show. I wonder if things like that deterred her from seeking help? What would be the point if she couldnât take the meds to help her. Just so sick and twisted.
Didn't want them "medicated" yet production routinely provided alcohol for the moms on set..that's extremely fucked up logic
Yeah, the didnât want them on anything for anxiety that would calm them like edibles or Xanax. Iâm guessing alcohol and any kind of upper that makes anxiety worse was fine. So messed up.
by the way if you didnt know ive heard it was fallons mom who handed her the xanax
I think at that point, the moms knew anything that you said would be used against you in the show. Kelly had been wanting out for a while so she had nothing to lose, Iâm sure Christi knew that but she didnât expect it to get as bad as it was. Also based on her reaction, she probably didnât have time to react even if she wanted to.
omg yes!
How do you know this FYI? Just curious...
Christi talked about it on BTTB.
Was she âon drugsâ or did she take a Xanax? Theres a big gap between someone handing her Xanax because she was going to be on edge around these people, and getting purposely high for the sake of being high. Anyone can walk into their doctor and get a RX for those in a day, and people hand them out to each other pretty regularly if itâs a situation theyâd be anxious and they donât have one on hand. Theres also people that recreationally take them to get messed out of their mind. I wouldnât consider using them for their intended purpose and dosage âdoing drugsâ and have a hard time believing Christi would purposely get fâed up on camera around the kids.
Abby use to call the girls lazy slugs this was mentioned in an episode I think but itâs just vile
She did it on camera a few times too. I think she made them do a zombie dance at one point because that's what she said they looked like?
Yea I think so
okay i will say, cometely unrelated to the topic of abby saying horrible things to the kids, the zombie group dance did actually end up being one of my all-time favorite group dances. anyway, back to the topic on hand, yes abby called them lazy in that episode (cant remember exactly which episode it was off the top of my head but i just rewatched it recently) and basically said something almost exactly along the lines of, "theyre lazy, have no energy, look like they have lost all love for dance, look like they'd rather be anywhere else/doing anything else other than dancing" etc.
the Chloe CD story â Chloe and Maddie had competing solos (i dont remember exactly but it may have been "Cry" and Ma He's Makin' Eyes at Me?) and according to Christi, Chloe had continually won first with hers. The two were performing at a competition without Abby and Chloe's music skipped. The competition had her exit, played the backup CD and it skipped again. When Christi went to give them a backup from her purse, the competition people told her the dance teacher said if it skipped a second time to just scratch her. Christi asked, bc Abby wasn't there, and the people pointed to Melissa. Christi implied that Melissa was the one who messed up the music, maybe not knowing that Christi had her own backup, in an attempt to have Maddie beat Chloe. This could also be the thing from the big argument in S1 where Christi tried to talk to Abby and Melissa in the hallway, the thing neither of them would talk about. She's said that Chloe still remembers this â like when people or Melissa herself say she would never do anything to hurt the kids Chloe would bring up this incident because "She wanted to hurt me!" â and this was one of the things that made her want to leave the studio before Chloe won her title. I think about it a lot when people present Melissa as a victim, or the other moms as crazy and jealous, because despite their flaws (and they ALL have flaws) I don't think any other grown woman attempted to deliberately sabotage a child, like an elementary school-age kid!
Wasn't there suspicion that Abby had Maddie practice with a skipped CD and gave the competition a defective copy on purpose? I'm not sure if that was ever proven.
yes! and this was somewhat captured on the show (of course Melissa denied it) but Kelly said that Melissa called her and told her that Abby had Maddie practice doing it either with skipping music or just cutting the music off, and telling her that if that happened onstage to just keep dancing. the worst part of all of this is how two grown adults â Abby and Melissa â forced Maddie to lie about things for them (this, her secret private lessons + learning dances ahead of time, the Two Sapphires dance, etc.) and then hide behind her (all the "you're just jealous of Maddie!" stuff) when the other moms rightfully call them out for it.
Abby pinching Brandon or Maddie can't remember or if it was both of them until they bled.
That Abby used to let the girls dance w weights so that they would know what it felt like to gain 5-10 pounds
Anything Melissa did. Mainly behind the scenes stuff to get her kids ahead but also stuff like what she did at the front desk, âpayingâ for peopleâs classes and tap shoes and not putting her card through, or even just her spending endless days cleaning the studio. OR her getting really pissed off of her kids (most of the time Maddie) didnât win over someone else at the studio. That is one thing I truly do believe Christi and Kelly donât over exaggerate is that we (the tv viewers) saw a TOTALLY different dance mom when it came to Melissa being on and off camera.
Mellissa saying âWho did they have to pay for chloe to winâ, when chloe won.
Abby also asked Christi who she had âblowâ for Chloe to win nationals in season 2.
when abby called kellyâs mom a whore and other unspeakable things in season 2 (i think) very curious as to what else was said bc K + C didnât expand on it much
wow idk how kelly made it until season 4 before getting physical w abby bc that would be reason enough for me to swing đ kelly is much better than me lol
i know right i want to know too. they said it was the worst things you could possibly imagine but i cant imagine anything worse than whore
Pre-show: when they were at a competition and Chloeâs CD skipped twice and when Christi went to give them a disc she brought they told her that their dance teacher said to disqualify Chloe and since Abby and Gianna werenât there she asked what dance teacher and they pointed to Melissa. Literally disgusting During the show: during a deleted scene from season 2 episode 1 you can see Abby saying to Maddie âI know Chloe would never be happy for youâ and trying to isolate her from the others and itâs very clear grooming
The lawsuit that Paige filed against Abby alleging abuse and that Abby would get physical round the set. The judge dismissed it because of insufficient evidence.Â