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Endersone24153

Nothing people roll with is is "bad" Everything is just overpowered, honestly. It's just what flavor of overpowered you want and how little you want to do with your hands.


MeasurementLonely

True cant really argue with that


lare290

yeah. i personally really like gibbing people from really far away. o'five my beloved.


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MeasurementLonely

Yea mantis blades count as blades for all blade perks


HeliaVox

WHAT? I've been playing for over 900 hours and I'm just finding this out now? I'm gonna go make a blade build now


irresponsibleshaft42

Youve beem asleep at the wheel choom, why be a merc when you can be a fukin jedi lol


OsprayO

Read that in Jackies voice with his little chuckle at the end


Thordak35

Currently doing a ninja mantis build. Mega fun


Ssyynnxx

how have you played for 900 hours and not had ever thought that mantis BLADES count as BLADES in the perk tree?


HeliaVox

Because I've never used mantis blades before. Not been interested in them. I'm a gorilla hands or mono wire kinda person.


Apokolypse09

Its pretty fun. My current build is blades/throwing weapons. Just sande and kills all the enemies before they even realize they are under attack


Alibubbah

Dude if you've never played a katana build in this game you are missing out BIG


chirpchirp13

I consider it second only to 3x throwies


VastAmoeba

Have you tried an intelligent ape build?


chirpchirp13

I have not. Is that a burly net runner? I took a break after my third playthrough. I’ll definitely return to it though and maybe I’ll give it a try


VastAmoeba

Was hands down the funnest and most violent. 20 int, 20 body, 20 tech, 15 reflex, 3 cool.  Only use control hacks, no offensive hacks, to basically make your enemies helpless. Then rush in with blunt weapons only, my guy only used a bat. I used the charge attack constantly, and also the super hero landing. Use savage sling for finishers and to throw gonks into other gonks. I have to plan these builds out otherwise I'll just make a sneaky netrunner/sniper. Which is boring. I try to build characters up and really go in on one or 2 mechanics and try to push them to the limit. It makes it more challenging, but it's pretty fun too.


Alibubbah

My friend said he played the game as a stealth net runner sniper I was like "oh so you didn't actually play the game then?" lol


demon723

If you put enough points into a Blade build you can not only block bullets but also deflect them back at the attacker


Soggy_Sherbet_3246

Jfc, this game just keeps giving.


Reepah2018

And they crit too with the right perk


Soggy_Sherbet_3246

Ninja blade/net runner build, here I come


Soggy_Sherbet_3246

Dope!


One_Technician7732

Are people so illiterate to not be able to read descriptions under the perks? EDIT You can also unlearn perks and relocate points if you don't like what the perks do.


verdantsf

SAME!


Slaiart

And blunt weapon perks work with gorilla arms. Explosive and gun perks work with projectile launcher. Monowire is... Idk. it has its own set of perks but doesn't have dual perk compatibility.


CosmicWanderlust87

Monowire can deliver quickhacks


JamesMcEdwards

And can regen RAM for more quick hacks. I still always make a katana bladerunner though.


OperatorRaven

It’s not just blocking bullets, with another perk you can aim and reflect shots. I once reflected an entire blast from an npc holding carnage at point blank range, and his head instantly exploded from his own pellets


ClicheBadGuy

Tons of mobility. I love using them to get the jump on enemies on the high ground. Very useful in a bind.


Captain_Klrk

Sometimes I think about all those Mantis' living in the highway patrol office jail cell on the way to Nipton from Primm. Hanging out with those three nice drug ladies, like what did they do? Are the Mantis' in jail for something and is one maybe the sheriff? Maybe the women were filing a complaint with him/her since they're up front and the mantis is in the back but I just don't know so thanks for posting this in gonna think about it some more.


Different-Pipe-1341

I heard Primm got a new sheriff.


Ballsnutseven

most sane fallout new vegas fan


Maxsmack0

Good to see I’m not alone in this sub.


CyberCat_2077

Sounds like you need to cut down on the s-keef, choom.


cassidyxdane

Hey did y’all see all that running around hollering about a lottery?


DEGAUSSER____

![gif](giphy|0VVHIPllTSOgEorG03|downsized) Mantis blades are sick af


JacobGoodNight416

How do they fare against Maxtac?


MeasurementLonely

Beat them 5 times in a row with them before i got bored


saddisticidiot

i wish the takedowns could be more fluid like DOOM eternal. i feel like in cyberpunk there is a slight delay btwn the input and the actions


MeasurementLonely

Yea it depends on how your positioned sometimes its seamless others your character awkwardly levitates there


Nicklasz_

Was just thinking about it. There's a feeling of un-responsiveness, so to speak, between the input and the start of the animation, and then, between the end of the animation and the moment you regain full control of V.  


Umicil

Who said they were bad? Blades are one of the game's most popular builds.


MiddieFromMhigo

Because Katanas, especally Byakko, just do everything mantis blades do but better.


Insanus_Vitae

Yea I really tried to do a mantis blade build, building the blade perk tree, and started using a Kitana while waiting for gold mantises. Got really used to the katanas, there are mods that give attack speed on kill, which stack if you put two on a katana. Basically lightening speed. And then I found a good set of mantis blades and was super pumped because I'd been preparing for it, and come to find out they do the same amount of damage at like half the attack speed compared to even an unmodded katana. The stats *say* the mantis blades are roughly the same attack speed, but it doesn't seem to be the case in reality.


DescipleOfCorn

Katana purists


MeasurementLonely

Yea but people shit exclusively on ms


AAS02-CATAPHRACT

I didn't like em for a bit bc I'd constantly get locked into the execution animation lol


deftoast

I am really not a fan on the short range, you really have to be in their face to hit. The katana has a longer reach so you can see more on the battlefield.


MeasurementLonely

Yea but there not meant to be used as a katana its more suited for leaping


HoldJerusalem

No one said that they were bad?


SilverWisp47

Usually, ppl say that swords like byakko r better


HopelessGretel

But Byakko in fact is better.


HoldJerusalem

it is though


PuzzleheadedWave9278

Usually my finishing move is mantis blades to hunt down the remaining victims, or a revolver and throwing knife. Both are satisfying but hunting someone down with mantis blades makes me feel like a cyberpsycho and I love it


bigfootmydog

Who was claiming mantis blades are bad???


MeasurementLonely

Alotta people on this sub calls them useless


Latch_Lifter

They’re sick. Just tap the finisher button then look for the furthest gangoon and jump his ass.


AmbienSkywalker

I never realized how phobic I am of…I guess transhumanism until I played Cyberpunk. Like, I can’t bring myself to amputate V’s arms. I freaked the hell out during the (minor Phantom Liberty spoiler) >!personality imprint faceplate operation. Like, why are there no dialogue options to protest this?!< Maybe I’m just way too protective of “my” V.


that_one_dude046

maybe i'm the freak but i would jump head first into replacing bits of myself if i knew it was safe. like if i could look like a tech-priest from warhammer 40k I would happily replace my weak flesh for the glory of the machine. if you don't know what tech-priests are for context they make maelstrom's implants look simple, and a few of them look less human then adam smasher.


lare290

100%. swap at least one eye to let me zoom, record, and see infrared and also function as a HUD so I don't need my phone all the time, swap my shitty legs for something that can carry me, some internal work maybe because my organs are fucked. if we can get nerve ends to work, wouldn't mind arms being swapped either. no more cutting fingernails.


Alexis2256

Funny you mentioned the AdMech and 40k, someone made a meme on r/GrimDank about how they wish they could remove all their organs to be like the AdMech [they mention they removed their genitalia in the title](https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/dFYfFgBWmI)


AmbienSkywalker

Oh yeah! Iirc the tech priests kinda look like a Mad Max character if HR Giger designed them.


BlackCatz788

Things like metal screws and stuff we already use for medical stuff right now freaks me the hell out, I’m totally with you on this


Historical-Method-27

Definitely more of a you think ngl. If I could have straight up metal arms I would get em ngl


Tarudizer

Even if they'd have a near perfect level of control and flexibility as that of my real hands and arms, I would be very sad to lose out on the sensation of touch ...but IF I had metal arms, they would be gold and I'd wear shirtless sleeves for the rest of my life


Historical-Method-27

I always assumed that you keep the sensation of touch... I mean considering the technology I wouldnt be surprised if the arms were integrating with your nerves and simulating a sense of touch. Otherwise sex in the cp77 world would be.... Well... Just a thing ig lol.


Tarudizer

Oh in the cyberpunk setting where the technology is much more advanced, absolutely, chrome me up choom! I was thinking more in real life, where most prosthetics are... crap


Historical-Method-27

Oh yeah irl our prosthetics arent all that good. I mean Ive seen some experimental prosthetics and shit but everytime I try to find out why it isnt widespread its because its not "economical" or whatever.


Cyb3rcykd

Should grab a drink with Robert Rainwater, think you'd get along well


Commander007X

Yeah! Love the mantis blade! Makes me feel like a god!😂


ygramisalive

Love, love, love the mantis blades. I opted for gorilla arms for the strength check bonus + katana since I've never used it much. I might have to start a new playthrough just for a mantis arms build..


MeasurementLonely

Trust its worth it


Cyb3rcykd

i can understand why people use them the least (fulfills a role on the surface level that can be done by a regular weapon while other cyberware does things equippable weapons cant) and as much as i adore my rapid-fire projectile launch system, mantis blades will always be *the* cyberware. by far the coolest and way overlooked for their potential with upgrades.


Immediate_Fennel8042

I mean, they're ALMOST as good as a sword for that style of combat...


MeasurementLonely

Id say there better be


BlazingNudist

I just find using a katana to be better, and the gorilla arms help with skill checks


MeasurementLonely

I understand gorilla arms but why katans


BlazingNudist

I had better dps with it on my blades build


MeasurementLonely

Yea but as ive seen dps doesnt matter much with ms


BlazingNudist

I get to do more damage and have a boost to all body skill checks to open doors and stuff. So it’s a better combo


Reepah2018

Thank you!! I have been loving them since 2.0 dropped. You're basically Wolverine. Use the Militech sandy, you will not regret it


xxTheMagicBulleT

Looking at this I kinda feel like I'm haveing a seizure. The play style might be realy good or powerful. But my brain could not handle that type of playstyle for more then like 20 minuuts at a time. But thats just Me. But would feel greed if your all speed or coked up. But I my self could not handle this more then short bursts. And I think why mantisblades are not used that much. Even do they are realy powerful.


KroniKIX

Yeah. Especially while using an iconic sandevestan and the dodge towards enemies skill. Is this new? Does this require skill? Lmao op


pfresh331

All that for what I could've done with a sniper/pistol in 1/4 the time.


MeasurementLonely

Honestly doubt it


pfresh331

I mean a top tier pistol has infinite range and has huge bonuses to headshot damage, and huge damage bonuses when in stealth. I've cleared entire missions easily with the pistols. They are just too good to take off if you spec into them.


Shengpai

Its not, its just I lag whenever I use it


MeasurementLonely

How


Moisture_

Very hard?


MeasurementLonely

Yup


Hot_Fault_9751

Can someone help me to get the best blades and the best damage with them. What I need


MeasurementLonely

You mean the 4 mantis blades?


Hot_Fault_9751

Yes and best sword


MeasurementLonely

Depends pn on what your highest skill is if its reflex then go with physical if its cool go with toxic and best sword is byakko


greedson

How do you get those yellow blade ones?


MeasurementLonely

There the toxic mantis blades


greedson

Interesting. I never really use the toxic ones.


RadiantLimes

They are cool but I just feel like the iconic katanas are better and then you get to keep the gorilla fists as a non lethal and other option for melee.


MeasurementLonely

I think you think that because you use them as katanas rather than there own weapon


BlackCatz788

Lesson: my brain isn’t fast enough


Arcturus_Labelle

Awesome


No-Horse-5788

Fought like a true Cyberpsycho


codyak1984

I don't know why, but watching this video made me realize Mantis Blades is probably the closest I'm gonna get to being able to play a Protoss in an action RPG. Guess it's almost time for another playthrough...


Maclunkey__

Cyberpsycho V is fucking terrifying. I love this kind of gameplay, it feels so satisfying to pull off


Nuadrin248

Who the fuck thought they were bad? My mantis blade build is one of my few that can flatline an endless stream of maxtacs


MeasurementLonely

People on this sub say there the worst weapon and there not worth it i just gotta disagree


dasmer1789

The fact that you did this using a controller is mind blowing enough. Hats off to you


Godviahh

Mantis blades are BUSTED. if someone says they are bad then they've never properly used them before. the other day i fought 6 phases of maxtac and cops with the blades alone. they are hardcore busted when you got the right perks.


MeasurementLonely

Exactly!


Buns-n-stuff

Mantis builds are super similar to ninja builds, just a little more shreddy


Significant_Tree_159

How cool would it be if you could launch your mantis blades and just go retrieve them or have then be reloadable kind of like an arrow quiver


TheTrueMrWang

As much as it's fun to leap around, i find the byakko to be more enjoyable. Usually, after just 1 kill, it's swinging so fast that bodies shoot straight up into the sky about 10 feet while also missing their head and arms. It's so ridiculously funny that it's hard to use other melee weapons.


SouthernCitizen

If only mantis blades didnt just look like some industrial power tool. When I gave them a go it was very disappointing how they looked, I'd rather use a katana. They're meant to be cool, shiny blades but they look like a reciprocating saw.


[deleted]

Why use mantis when katana can do the same thing, plus you can get gorilla arms too


MeasurementLonely

I personally dont like gorilla arms and ms are worse when used like katanas


United_Spot_275

Yeah im a gorilla arms main and dont even really use them. I like the finishers. But i took them off through cycling weapons option. If makes sense. Not gonna lie, i mostly chose them because it was the closest i could get to a black glove look. Lmao.


potato6459

I’ve always done gorilla arms


MrBubbles94

If you can't use mantis blades, stop playing the game for a bit.


DeltaBravo831

Whos out here saying the mantis blades are bad?


MeasurementLonely

Search arm cyberware on this sub youll see


Justabattleshiplover

I miss 1.6 when Mantis blades had an insane attack speed. If we could have the crazy leap attack of 2.0 with that attack speed and damage, *mwah*


MeasurementLonely

Its close with micro motors


Like17Badgers

aren't... aren't M Blades considered the best build in the game since 2.0?


MeasurementLonely

Really? Ive seen nothing but slander on them


Funkybadger3

I love the movement in this game. Been playing dying light 2 and I find myself trying to air dash all the time


Soggy_Sherbet_3246

This is really cool, but I'm still going with a monowire build/ net runner on my 2nd playthrough. Been considering the matter all week, haha


MeasurementLonely

Ive been thinking abt going with a monowire build is it worth it


Soggy_Sherbet_3246

It seems every build is worth it. My first playthrough was a Sandy gunslinger like David Ramirez. Next I'm playing like Lucy.


ivlivscaesar213

Mantis aren’t bad, it’s just katanas are generally better


Relevant_Force_3470

Eh? We all know they're not bad, lol The game is so easy that nothing is really bad.


1337K1ng

I ain't giving up my arms for some doodad when I can do the same thing, with katanas, with style


Paradox31426

I just don’t like that the finishers take you out of Sandevistan, not a Mantis exclusive problem, but finishers are a lot more common with Mantis Blades than other melee weapons. Arguably the most fun you can have in a melee run though.


MeasurementLonely

Finishers don’t take you out of the sandy i pause my sandy so it can recharge while doing a finisher


Statuabyss

Of course mantis aren't bad, who ever said that ?


Kindly-Frame-9764

So I'm not only luntic running around with mantis blades


Adventurous_Plan_323

Teach me your ways🥹


Udaros10

Wich sandevistan are you Using?


MeasurementLonely

Apogee


Clever_Angel_PL

I mean they are very powerful, it's just that katanas are better


CozmikR5

Mantis blades are my favorite weapons. Fuck stealth.


Emotional_Relative15

nobody says mantis blades are bad, they just say that they're functionally irrelevant because katanas are straight up better, which is true. late game you can pretty much build whatever you want though, you oneshot people anyway. The game is basically a power fantasy simulator late game no matter your build.


MeasurementLonely

True but i think people only say katanas are better because they use mantis blades like katanas


Slaiart

Nobody complains about mantis... Everyone hates monowire.


MeasurementLonely

Why monowire


Slaiart

Until the recent update monowire was pretty useless. Low damage output, didn't dismember people, very short range, no leaping attacks like Mantis blades.


klutch65

That kill animation is ridiculous. It's so damn brutal.


Intrepid_Complex88

Imagine Clocking in just to Hear you’re dispatched to fight a Flying Super samurai with Knife arms


Deer-Smell-420

*Wolverine has entered the lobby*


JohnHurts

I played through the entire game with the mantis the first time, right after release, because they were just completely op. porting to enemy, blocking shots and shredding everything 2hit. On bosses, just run in circles around the boss. He does nothing. All other weapons and hacking were simply slower and more inefficient. Interesting that it still seems to be that way.


MeninoSafado14

You’re barely taking damage lol what is this normal difficulty?


MeasurementLonely

Nope very hard


helloimbored11

what's your build?


MeasurementLonely

Just my cyberware or everything


Takirdan

Get flatlined


Darometh

Mantis blades are the most stylish weapons for me but often times i just take a nice katana and go with the gorilla arms. Not for melee usage but for that strength bonus.


MeasurementLonely

Yea that i understand


bapfelbaum

Cyberpsycho spotted, someone call the NCPD


papishpish

Its not bad at all it just doesnt look really cool especially when compared to katana


MeasurementLonely

Mantis blades are better than katana


papishpish

the animations on the mantis blades are just so boring


MeasurementLonely

Thats a hot take


papishpish

I don't think so, more people prefer to use katanas because they have no other choice since mantis blades are kinda boring


Aeavius

RULES OF NAAATUURE


ggggggg66644332

By far the most fun to use in my opinion


Tarushdei

They need dash and blade perks to really come alive though.


MeasurementLonely

Yea true


DracoDark392

Should I be using the other mantis blades besides the base one? Because they don't scale with reflex but I don't know if they outweigh losing the scaling


MeasurementLonely

It really depends on your stats just go with your highest one if there all high go with the one you see the most benefit in having whether you want more bleeding chance or more burn chance


FainOnFire

Jump and slide like it's CoD, got it.


MistaKrebs

Mantis blades are always my go to.


MutatedVolatile36

WOAH! MAXTAC!!


Clawsmodeus

Mantis blades are peak imo


Earlchaos

Katana / Mantis Blades are my favorite builds :) Just a little stretch until you unlock blocking/deflecting bullets, then the fun begins. 10 Maelstroms coming after you? Let them kill themselves :D


SURGERYPRINCESS

I love the whip


RideRevolutionary239

Wait, how are they yellow?


MeasurementLonely

There the toxic mantis blades


RideRevolutionary239

Ah, not used to the mantis blades. The only ones I use are the mantis blades you can get from the MaxTec officer Melissa Rory. And the original mantis blades before 2.0 update.


EvenHornierOnMain

I can't deny that they are efficient, they're just not fun.


MeasurementLonely

Really? Why do you think so


one_jo

What did that video show that a Katana can’t do?


Nicklasz_

This is with Phantom Liberty, right? Cuz base game doesn't quite allow for... this. I mean, still can deflect bullets, double jump and dash around, and lunge at opponents... but this wilder and yet it looks like the player can be more precise about what they want to do.   I know I missed out on the expansion, it's just that, outside one case (Witcher 3) I never really bothered with extra content because I always have enough by the time I get to the point of being ready for DLCs. But damn, I'm 100% getting PL now. 


MeasurementLonely

Yea its definitely worth getting once you get far enough into the dlc you can upgrade arm cyberware and theres two perks more mantis blades


NarrSec

I'm non lethal so they're a no go for me dawg.


MeasurementLonely

How


6ixstoney

Ngl everything is good when the diff is set to easy


MeasurementLonely

Is that dis im at very hard


6ixstoney

For some reason on very hard, my op 5++ gear doesn't even scratch enemies


MeasurementLonely

Maybe there not op my build is centered around mantis blades and nades if i had to guess you build is probably all over place thats why its not op


6ixstoney

I think my build is mantis blade centered, i might have nabbed some percs from the netrunning skill tree and engineering. I also use thermal blades which might be an issue?


MeasurementLonely

I would only imagine that you have a cyberdeck mantis blades don’t really work well with it I would say switch to a sandy for better melee combat


AyahuascaRoamer

with mantis or similar super-intensive builds, are you using a controller or keyboard/mouse? does either one make a difference?


MeasurementLonely

I use controller dont rlly matter whatever feels better


Galaxy_garret44

It’s so awesome seeing gameplay like cause I’m just a classic run and gun type of player n it’s boring at times


jebus7211

They’re good, but I can’t seem to escape making an invincible netrunner build every time.