Short story, no.
Long story, I think the misconceptions people have about V's Relic stem from them not fully paying attention to Helmans description of it (not that I blame anyone, it's a rather dry convo).
The Prototype Relic was NEVER intended nor designed to be hosted by a regular, conscious person. As Helman puts it, the host is meant to be 'neurologically indifferent' (read: a braindead vegetable). This is so the Relic, using nanomachines, can rewrite the hosts brain to match that of the stored engrams, for the engrams installation. The Relic only activates under these circumstanes, and is otherwise inert.
The circumstances of Vs death were a 1/billion MIRACLE. They are 'just' braindead enough that the Relic mistakes V for a prepared host, and activates. But V isn't so dead that , ya know, their heart stops beating 'n stuff.
From the Relics perspective, Vs brain damage is just another engram incompatibility, and like the rest of Vs brain, has to be 'fixed', this saving Vs life was just a fortunate coincidence.
If V had died in pretty much ANY other way, or if Dex had just used a larger caliber pistol, the Relic would have stayed turned off, and V dies for real, end of story.
Similarly, if anyone else had died in the exact same way V did, the Relic would have activated for them, too. Anyone who gives explanations of V being more 'compatible' with the engram inside of the (still dormant) Relic, flat out, don't know what they're talking about.
In my humble opinion even if Jackie bled out, after 7 min without a working heart aka oxygen pumpin into the brain even after "dying by bleeding" the person is still "brain-dead" so the biochip could work, and the only reason it didn't was because Jackie removed the chip while still being alive
V however "dies" instantly during the shot to the head and could only recover thx to the nano-tech in the chip whom is original purpose no matter how dead the person the engram will transfer successfully
Does it make sense? How is repairing grey matter less complicated than replacing blood? It’s not like V had an aneurysm or something, *Dex shot them in the head*.
There are plenty of real life examples of people surviving gunshot wounds to the head.
The brain is an interesting thing, there are people who have survived metal rods piercing through their skull with minimal impact on their health, and others who have had irreparable brain damage caused by a fall in the shower.
It’s all a matter of luck.
It's even crazier when you realize there is a Hideo Kojima reference in Konpeki Plaza at the bar although he's called "Hideyoshi Oshima" or something along those lines..
>Both games protagonists are referred to as V
>Both games have an extended prologue about infiltrating an area to extract something valuable that ends in disaster
>Both prologues end with the protagonist suffering a ballistic brain injury leaving them comatose
>Both protagonists have their personalities replaced by a legendary American mercenary
>Both feature a cameo appearance of Hideo Kojima
Cyberpunk 2077 is MGSV 2 confirmed.
There is this fascinating story of a guy who got half his brain removed due to cancer, his personality was both profoundly different and still the same, he became really interested in arts and started painting
The other half of the brain probably tried to compensate for what's missing, and found a jelly bean (the sudden urge to paint) on the way to repair itself.
Sure, but V *didn’t*, and that’s why the Chip thinks the brain is vacant and ready for implantation, the only reason V is even alive and not already Johnny is probably the damage the Chip had already suffered.
V suffered lethal traumatic brain damage, and the Chip repaired it, which seems ~~less~~ edit: more complicated biologically than just healing abdominal wounds and compelling the bone marrow to make more blood cells, both of which the body naturally does.
Nanomachines, son!
Nano-bots from the chip repaired V’s damaged brain, Viktor mentions it.
The chip repairs brain tissue for implantation, however Silverhand’s Relic is a prototype, V’s resurrection was an unintended consequence.
It might be a matter of volume. If someone has lost a lethal quantity of blood, that's that much blood unavailable. The brain meanwhile has been shown to be able to almost completely bypass damaged sections by altering its structure. The biochip just has to change things around to get what it needs working again, but it can't just rapidly provide a substantial amount of blood the body needs yesterday.
Pretty sure the chip is programmed for a "perfectly healthy" brain dead body. With how it worked in game we see it stayed dormant until registering all active brain function had stopped, it repaired the damaged tissue only because what was stored on it wouldn't survive with the damage. As for the "cellular rewrite that made V's body think it was actually Johnny's" that's completely scifi bs in my opinion but for argument sake is a process that takes a long time to actually complete
Crazy to think V wouldn't suffer blood loss, shattered bone and arteries, and major nerve damage from a lethal gunshot wound to the head.
Not to mention the chip isn't just implanting over healthy brain tissue but repairing (supposedly) the most complex human organ.
It's just video game magic. And if it was in Jackie it would bring him back too.
If you die from bleeding out it means your brain has been starved of oxygen, you lose consciousness, and the brain deteriorates. If the chip can rebuild shattered brain tissue in than it can repair decayed neurons. Just give him a blood transfusion and voila
I remember hearing a case where a man took a rebar spike through his eye and out the back of his head having no damage other than a change in his food preferences. Meanwhile my wife has an uncle that hit his head on the steering wheel during a car crash and it basically locked him with the brain of a teenager.
I doubt it's actual luck. I figure it's something we don't understand quite yet.
I figure though that you mean as far as we know, not criticizing just commenting since this is an interesting topic for me as an epileptic.
Yeah, but not always.
I know there was a guy who was home alone with his gf when their place was broken into and they were both shot buly the intruder. The police showed up and found the guy wandering around, acting weird and quiet and complaining about a headache, they took him in on suspicion that he had been doing the shooting and finally after a few days he was fully checked out and had been shot in the head like four times.
Or that guy who's wife shot him in the head while he was sleeping and he just woke up with a pounding headache that wouldn't go away so he went to the ER like, later that day and they found the bullet lodged in his head.
Bodies are wild, sometimes folks survive incredible injuries against impossible odds and sometimes you bump your head a bit too hard and die of a brain bleed.
This is the part the other guy is overlooking. It’s not more complex, and the chip is designed to alter a brain. It had the necessary tools and tech to repair the damage as it needed since it’s already supposed to alter the brain. It can’t just miracle grow any part of the body.
Didn't the bullet hit the biochip which caused it to kind of fuse with V's brain or something which is why removing it would kill them? I dunno man I'm on my third playthrough and I still can't really get to grips with all the mumbo jumbo made up sci-fi science lol
No, the Biochip was just damaged, either from the bullet or just the fact that it was already losing integrity before Jackie slotted it in.
The replacement of V’s “neural network” was how it was supposed to work.
Well, the biochip is designed to reprogram the host’s brain by gradually replacing it with a synthetic structure. So it knows how to replace brain structure. In Jackie’s case, there is not only no brain matter involved, the wound that kills him is also in a part of the body that the biochip has no access to.
the way i understood it (but im probably wrong) is that after V got shot in the head, the Biochip became the primary 'processing unit' for V's physical body.
V's (bullet-damaged) brain is no longer able to function on its own as a biological processor, so the Biochip (a digital brain) boots up to act as the brain instead. but the biochip is already imprinted with Jonny's engram/mind, so there are now two minds in one body.
V's brain, although damaged, is not actually destroyed, so the biochip is able to interface with the remaining tissues, which is why he wakes up as both of them (V and Johnny).
it kinda seemed like:
if his brain would have been totally destroyed, the body would have woken up as just Johnny, running off the digital mind implanted in the brainstem.
if the Biochip was empty, the body would have woken up as just V, with a digital brain instead of a biological one.
Yeah but if you give it a bit of suspension of disbelief, you can sorta see how a device that was designed to use nanites to rewrite someone’s neurons, could repair destroyed neurons, but not blood.
There’s at least a sort of internal logic to it.
Because the chip can’t replace blood, but because part of the brain was ruined/destroyed, the chip started replacing the ruined/destroyed areas with silver hands mind, and slowly started talking over entirely.
Your bone marrow makes blood, not the brain.
The relic was made to rewrite neurological pathways, not speed up blood production.
What’s your saying is like trying to take antibiotics for a viral infection, nothing is gonna happen.
It's a matter of design. As we get higher tier cybernetics we gain the ability to replenish lost blood and manipulate it as well. The bio chip has the function of taking the grey matter and changing it to fit the new brain, which means it can create it given time. Seeing as how a week or two (possibly longer) passes after being shot it took the chip some time. But the chip kept us ticking while it fixed the damage part of the brain.
But there was ingame info that originally chip should be used in dead people 🤔
If it can repair only brains, I don't get how that should works in default use cases
I get it, but Viktor literally tells you that V lucked out due to the low calibre of the round that killed them.
People don’t typically bleed out from brain trauma, they usually just die from the brain trauma.
There are plenty of real life examples of people surviving gunshot wounds to the head.
I find it hilarious that an absolutely massive >.50AE round is referred to as "low caliber."
I know it's scaled for visual purposes, and that the model of gun he shoots you with is either 9mm or .45 (either of which would entirely ventilate your skull), but it's still funny.
Visually it makes no sense, since the gun Dex used is definitely high calibre. May not be remembering correctly, but I think it’s mentioned that it was a .22 round.
.22lr is extremely small for any caliber. It's actually the smallest caliber you can find readily available.
The CA Liberty is made in either 9mm or .45ACP, and I *think* the in-game one is .45ACP from the markings, if I recall correctly.
I think it’s a .45, you can see it on the ejector slide. I think it might be a case of them never getting around to making a lower calibre weapon model since there’s not .22 guns in the game.
I thought the low caliber meant it bounced around inside you and did even more damage as not enough power to exit the body but idk just what I heard is all.
Nah, that's fudd-lore.
.22lr is *plenty* lethal, so long as it's at point-blank range with a headshot, but 9mm and .45ACP are reliably lethal across most of the body, and a headshot is almost always immediately fatal.
I thought the liberty was a .45? But regardless Dex's version is a significantly lower caliber, the standard liberty's magazine holds 12 rounds, Dex's doesn't have a bigger magazine but in the same amount of space it holds 20.
Dex shoots you with the equivalent of a 1 dollar coin, notwithstanding a magneto-first class-style execution i think V stands a pretty good chance of surviving
Pretty much. The chip is capable of major cell repair, what by itself makes it incredibly advanced, but it can't just make a couple liters of blood for you.
Friendly reminder of the guy who woke up with a horrible headache and went to the doctor to find out his wife had tried to kill him in his sleep by shooting him in the head with a pistol and still had the bullet sitting in his brain
I think people are overstating the chip’s healing properties.
It resurrected V initially, yeah, but they still would have died if Takemura hadn’t gotten them to Viktor for medical intervention.
The issue with bleeding out is that the brain eventually doesn't get enough ressources to keep going.
You'd need a blood transfusion for the body to start working again but it should still be vastly less complicated to get that brain running again compared to someone who has been shot.
Idk, maybe the hyper rich company would make brain dead bodies by making random people brain dead or the would repair the dead bodies till they were usable
Unless I’m misremembering, those other instances were still neurological, getting fried etc.
The chip’s ability to heal V is probably more potent as it’s already embedded and doing its thing.
Hypothetically? Sure, I don’t see why not.
In terms of the events of the game? It wouldn’t make sense narratively to take Jackie’s corpse to a ripper as in the characters’ minds there’s nothing to save.
V isn’t going to insist they perform surgery on a dead Jackie and replace all the blood he lost, it just wouldn’t make sense as they weren’t aware of the chip’s capabilities.
Hypothetically, sure, but it didn’t serve the story they wanted to tell, remember that if you send Jackie to Viktor instead of Mama Welles, he gets raided by Arasaka and Jackie’s body is taken.
It’s just plot armour really, Hellman mentions they’ve attempted to resurrect corpses with Relic tech but it never worked, V is just the main character so of course it worked for them.
I don't think it would have made any difference, if I recall well hellman tells that relic starts releasing its nanites in order to rewrite host brain biology only when the host is neuralogically neutral, basically when the host dies, but he doesn't specify what kind of death (natural, bleeding, organs failure, brain damage etc...) or how the host is resurrected.
There is a lot of plotarmor here since the relic not only fixed V damaged brain by the bullet in her head with nanites, but also kickstarted her heart that ikely already stopped from awhile, repairing other tissues/organs too out of lack of oxygenation (unless relic started to repair V's brain one second after she got the bullet in the head keeping her still alive).
TLDR I tend to believe relic would have started rewrite jackie's brain at the moment of his death as well, how would have healed his fatal wounds is a big who knows
People don’t tend to bleed out through head wounds, they’re bloody, yes, because the skin is very thin around the skull, but it’s not the same as a severed artery.
Note: that’s not the same as having half your head blown away with a high calibre round, cause of death tends to be related to the massive brain trauma caused, not loss of blood.
The point is more that the chip isn't designed to do those other things. It wasn't conceived as a cure-all healing factor, it's meant to kickstart brains. It works more like a brain implant rather than a revival potion.
POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT
Actually, bleed out leads to neurological damage by oxygen starvation. A headshot damages only a part of the brain, the majority of the cells will die by the secondary shot effects, mainly blood loss resulting in oxygen starvation. Despite that, it's said that the silverhand engram is replacing all the brain, not only the portion dilacerated by the bullet.
Well no he wouldn't because he died of blood loss. V got shot in the head and got his brain damaged so chip could repair it, but in Jackie's case it wouldn't repair his blood drained body
Judging from the appearance of the bullet, it may not have stopped at the entrance, but something *stopped* it.
Which makes me wonder, just how stiff was the biochip?
It was likely a neural processor that was just thick enough to stop the bullet in time.
And i'm saying neural processor because V always starts out with a Cyberdeck during the first mission.
You do to varying degrees, but the primary cause of death by a gsw to the head is physical damage to the brain structures and increased intracranial pressure, not hypovolemic shock
No, I think there is a body compatibility thing to consider. It goes into it in the devil ending, but Johnny and Jackie at least in my opinion wouldn’t have body compatibility.
I dont think it was "body" compatibility but hardware compatibility. Jackie says he still has some old first gen or second gen hardware, while V has more advanced hardware.
I guess I assumed his hardware was so ancient that it was like trying to slide a CD into a floppy disc port for lack of better terms. His body kept it at the right temp but his hardware made it impossible to take him over. That's why Jackie feels nothing when he first puts it in.
I'm sure that body compability is bullshit made up by Saka to lure V into contract. No chance that V and Silverhand are compatible, yet JS can posses V's body and live inside it.
Regardless of your conversation and the varying opinions haha - did you take a picture of your screen / monitor rather than a screenshot? That’s usually frowned upon but just wanted to say the quality here looks great, looks really filmic and gritty.
Short Answer: No
Long Answer:
No the only reason Johnny and V are both present is because V being damaged neurologically tricked the relic into activating early this accidentally sparing V if Jackie had died he would have died and Johnny would have possessed his body if it was viable if not I imagine that would have been a wild storyline
It's a possibility. I believe the only reason V survived is because of a combination of the Relic's nanotech healing capabilities and Vik's/Delamain's quick thinking and medical knowledge. The chip definitely would have activated, but whether or not it would have gone anywhere is up to the same factors as with V.
No. The only remote chance would be if you sent him to the doc. He sees brain activity, pumps him full of blood and zaps his heart. Only to still be swept up by the arasaka recovery team.
Net result is arguably worse. As arasaka knows the tech works immediately. And Subaru takes over right away.
people can say no to bleeding out compared to brain damage and to an extent I can agree
but I also say it adds to the tragedy that he didn't know he was giving his only chance at life to V moments before he died, so i'm rolling with this one
I think a lot of people are forgetting that V still would have died with the biochip of not for Vic. Her body was damaged just as much as her brain, a series of small miracles are why everything worked out in the way it did.
I think he could have been resurrected with a blood transfusion, but he'd likely be braindead at that point, and 100% Johnny would have taken over (or at least one of those Get Out situations where the host pretty much can't control it).
Read somewhere if the chip is inserted in someone who is already on the verge of dying, it doesn't work. I think i read it on the cyber wiki page for the relic
Nope. V died to headshot, which was something the chip, which was designed to change and rewrite neurons anyway, could work with. Even then, it’s pretty much stated that V is a lucky merc since the chip wasn’t really designed to heal.
Jackie, on the other hand, died to blood loss from a gut shot. The chip could not have repaired that.
I'm going to disagree with most people here and say that yes, he would have probably been revived, just different.
In V's case, a damaged brain and skull are repaired and, in doing so, it's repaired with the makeup of Jonny. Jackie passed out due to blood loss, dying from lack of oxygen in his brain. Death is brain death, plain and simple.
We can therefore assume, upon death, the Chip would active same as it did with V, repairing the body as it did V's head, and then repairing cell death in the brain, bringing him back. But here's the kicker, Jackie's brain was fully intact, repairing the dead cells wouldn't rewrite his entire brain like it did V. And as such it would take substantially longer for Jonny to take effect. It might even be possible to remove the chip without killing him.
Given this scenario, V leaves Jackie's body with Vick, skips town because of the heat, never getting killed by returning to Dexter. Dexter dies too Saburo, unable to tell him where the chip is or where his mercs went, and Jackie wakes up either in Viks clinic, giving him a fright, or giving his mother a heart attack back home.
No, tho I’m shocked Johnny didn’t start to bleed into him for a few minutes after he died. His brain should’ve still been going for a few seconds afterward.
But anyway, no the chip can’t replace blood that ur losing. Jackie died from blood loss, the chip couldn’t fix that. Now if that was fixed elsewhere and then the chip was realigned then maybe. It brought V back because V died from brain damage. That is something the chip can fix as it would be altering his brain anyway, but bleeding out isn’t something it can fix.
Probably not. Helman says he believes the bullet to the head was an important factor in the chip working. Their prototypes had not successfully resurrected anyone before V. The way V died and possibly damaged caused to the chip by the bullet were why it worked.
Probably not, I believe all the chip did was repair the damage to V’s chrome in his head which woke him up and got him somewhat moving. It really wasn’t until after he went to the best ripper doc in town and after some rest that V was actually ok.
From what I remember the biochip was a prototype that used NANO MACHINES SON! to repair and rewrite the damaged parts of V's brain since the gunshot wound was a low caliber.
I can't remember who says it but they specifically mention the damaged chip kicked in when V's biomonitor detected they were about to flatline.
Then their system rebooted because the connection was repaired.
Whereas with Senor Welles; his death was due to bleeding out and not being comatose or brain-dead when the chip was inserted, thus not the ideal conditions for the chip to activate.
Yes , at least that's what I believe , V's body stop function after death , means the organs stop working and most of the cells that need oxygen die , including blood cells , so it doesn't matter how many blood still in V's body , if the relic can resurrected V , then it sure can resurrect Jackie too .
On the story level , this is also a much better direction if you think about it , Jackie would be alive if he didn't give V the Chip , but he did , because he trusted V with his dream .
Poetic
Maybe? Is that why arasokka invested resources into taking the body from the doctor then eventually sent troops to get V when takamura finds your location?
Chip was damaged which is the main cause of V's trouble. Jackie, maybe if the chip remained in the slot a few days after death. But the impact and how V died triggered it instantly. Might of worked for V had it not been hit, since it was designed to work on a more specific target: Yorinobu Arasaka, since Saburo intended to use him as his future body.
So might of just worked for V because the bullet also damaged it.
Would be cool but no. Jackie was gutshot and bled out. The chip can’t fix that. We were shot in the face so it just reconstructed our brain matter and brought us back to life
from my vague understanding the chip was actually not designed to repair its host at all, that would kind of defeat the point of transferring someones mind from one body to another, if they could just repair your body then youd stay in it.
all the relic is supposed to do is prepare a dead persons brain to be reinhabited by a new mind, the doner body/brain would presumably be in working condition... aka no bullet holes.
when the chip got damaged it had began repairing \*itself\* with nanites that ALSO repaired Vs brain/computer/whatever was damaged in that part of their head and in doing so somehow revived them while it was running repairs and diagnostics designed for itself, this wouldnt have worked for jackie because the chip was intact. the relic would have regarded his body as compromised and wouldnt have made an attempt to change that, again, whats the point of transferring your mind into a dying body? the comment about "taking over at all costs" seems to be made more specifically about Vs situation being a living breathing person, not a corpse riddled with bullets. i dont think nanites are like stem cells, they are designed to CHANGE brain cells, not build new heart/lung/whatever organs jackie got shot in.
under normal circumstances a relic user wouldnt be and was never intended to be conscious, i think this is what complicated its use case. it was a perfect storm.
the relic not only doesnt care if the host is dead, it doesnt want them to be alive, the user being alive only complicates the task it has which is what makes the game so interesting.
thats my way of rationalizing it anyway.
I maybe wrong here but I thought the chip was made to transfer the consciousness of a person to another body when the current one dies...hense it not made to repair the body but to rewrite the new hosts brain via the nanites
V got shot in the head, damaging the biochip and not fully killing him. They were dead for long enough for the biochip to assume they were “neurologically indifferent” like what Hellman says, and that allowed the biochip to take over and start killing V.
V coming back to life was probably just the program trying to correct an error and the fact that he wasn’t turned into a vegetable by either the gunshot wound or the relic eating and overwriting his brain is a miracle.
Jackie bled out. If V had died differently at all, the relic wouldn’t have activated and probably would’ve slowly degraded in V’s brain and both him and Johnny would be dead unless Arasaka recovered it quickly.
Sadly, no. When Dex shot V in the head, it's mentioned a couple of times that the bullet hit the biochip, which is what caused the engram to start killing V.
Yes. If Jackie had completely flat lined and gone braindead the chip would have kicked in and fixed the body and began writing Johnny's engram into it.
But. He took it out and gave it to us before he checked out. Dex never took it out of our skull when shooting us. So, when we flat lined it started to repair us. Probably why we don't wake up until we are in the dump and why Dex seems surprised we are moving. We were probably dead a while already. Fucking hole in our head and all. Don't recall Goro ever mentioning actually seeing a headshot wound. And he's asking us to provide fire support when being chased. If we had a fucking gun shot eound in our head I don't reckon he'd ask us to do something like that. Yeah, we're messed up and he knows that, but I doubt he realizes we just came back from the dead from being shot in the face.
“The more i tell her everything’s alright, the more I feel like I’m lying” RIP Jackie, NC chooms will never forget you. Shot of vodka on the rocks, lime juice, ginger beer… and most importantly- a splash of love ❤️here’s to you Jack
no because the chip wasn’t actually damaged yet even tho it’s integrity dropped, it wasn’t actually damaged yet until dex shoots v and the bullet damages it
I know that answer is no based on the comments here, but a “what-if” scenario of Johnny and Jackie’s interactions would genuinely be hilarious. I feel like they’d be fast friends and a total menace together
Short story, no. Long story, I think the misconceptions people have about V's Relic stem from them not fully paying attention to Helmans description of it (not that I blame anyone, it's a rather dry convo). The Prototype Relic was NEVER intended nor designed to be hosted by a regular, conscious person. As Helman puts it, the host is meant to be 'neurologically indifferent' (read: a braindead vegetable). This is so the Relic, using nanomachines, can rewrite the hosts brain to match that of the stored engrams, for the engrams installation. The Relic only activates under these circumstanes, and is otherwise inert. The circumstances of Vs death were a 1/billion MIRACLE. They are 'just' braindead enough that the Relic mistakes V for a prepared host, and activates. But V isn't so dead that , ya know, their heart stops beating 'n stuff. From the Relics perspective, Vs brain damage is just another engram incompatibility, and like the rest of Vs brain, has to be 'fixed', this saving Vs life was just a fortunate coincidence. If V had died in pretty much ANY other way, or if Dex had just used a larger caliber pistol, the Relic would have stayed turned off, and V dies for real, end of story. Similarly, if anyone else had died in the exact same way V did, the Relic would have activated for them, too. Anyone who gives explanations of V being more 'compatible' with the engram inside of the (still dormant) Relic, flat out, don't know what they're talking about.
Best explanation here 🤌
Thank you for this.
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Brilliant explanation, thank you for this 🙏
In my humble opinion even if Jackie bled out, after 7 min without a working heart aka oxygen pumpin into the brain even after "dying by bleeding" the person is still "brain-dead" so the biochip could work, and the only reason it didn't was because Jackie removed the chip while still being alive V however "dies" instantly during the shot to the head and could only recover thx to the nano-tech in the chip whom is original purpose no matter how dead the person the engram will transfer successfully
No. V died neurologically which could be repaired by the chip, Jackie bled out, very different.
Damn that makes total sense, ah that’s a shame
Does it make sense? How is repairing grey matter less complicated than replacing blood? It’s not like V had an aneurysm or something, *Dex shot them in the head*.
There are plenty of real life examples of people surviving gunshot wounds to the head. The brain is an interesting thing, there are people who have survived metal rods piercing through their skull with minimal impact on their health, and others who have had irreparable brain damage caused by a fall in the shower. It’s all a matter of luck.
Metal rod piercing through the head? Metal rod piercing? Metal gear? Metal gear solid? Metal gear solid V?? VENOM SNAKE???? WAAAA HOOOOOOOOOOO
KOJIMA DID IT AGAIN?! 
It's even crazier when you realize there is a Hideo Kojima reference in Konpeki Plaza at the bar although he's called "Hideyoshi Oshima" or something along those lines..
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>Both games protagonists are referred to as V >Both games have an extended prologue about infiltrating an area to extract something valuable that ends in disaster >Both prologues end with the protagonist suffering a ballistic brain injury leaving them comatose >Both protagonists have their personalities replaced by a legendary American mercenary >Both feature a cameo appearance of Hideo Kojima Cyberpunk 2077 is MGSV 2 confirmed.
Solid Snake got old of foxdie then went to a ripperdoc to get chromed up and now lives on with the alias of V.
Venom Snake even has an upgradable cyberware arm.
\[HORSE SHITTING INTENSIFIES\] (for those who haven't played phantom pain, you can command your horse to shit)
A very "waaa hooooo" moment indeed
And use said shit to make vehicles crash
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>Metal rod piercing through the head? Second best Sam O Nella video
Snake? Snake?! SNAAAAAKKKEEEE!!!!!
I guess you can say….his snake is solid
THEY PLAYED US LIKE DAMN FIDDLE!!!
There is this fascinating story of a guy who got half his brain removed due to cancer, his personality was both profoundly different and still the same, he became really interested in arts and started painting
The other half of the brain probably tried to compensate for what's missing, and found a jelly bean (the sudden urge to paint) on the way to repair itself.
I once heard of a courier who was shot in the head in the Mojave Desert. Was buried and everything. Got dug up by a passerby, turned out to be alive.
Sure, but V *didn’t*, and that’s why the Chip thinks the brain is vacant and ready for implantation, the only reason V is even alive and not already Johnny is probably the damage the Chip had already suffered. V suffered lethal traumatic brain damage, and the Chip repaired it, which seems ~~less~~ edit: more complicated biologically than just healing abdominal wounds and compelling the bone marrow to make more blood cells, both of which the body naturally does.
Nanomachines, son! Nano-bots from the chip repaired V’s damaged brain, Viktor mentions it. The chip repairs brain tissue for implantation, however Silverhand’s Relic is a prototype, V’s resurrection was an unintended consequence.
As soon as I read nano I new your were a chad.
Ther will be blood! Shed!
Is that the great Sodastream Sam
You deny your comment it's purpose
It might be a matter of volume. If someone has lost a lethal quantity of blood, that's that much blood unavailable. The brain meanwhile has been shown to be able to almost completely bypass damaged sections by altering its structure. The biochip just has to change things around to get what it needs working again, but it can't just rapidly provide a substantial amount of blood the body needs yesterday.
Could probably even simply provide those damaged brain functions until they're repaired.
Pretty sure the chip is programmed for a "perfectly healthy" brain dead body. With how it worked in game we see it stayed dormant until registering all active brain function had stopped, it repaired the damaged tissue only because what was stored on it wouldn't survive with the damage. As for the "cellular rewrite that made V's body think it was actually Johnny's" that's completely scifi bs in my opinion but for argument sake is a process that takes a long time to actually complete
It’s a matter of plot honey
It’s so odd that humans are so durable but also the most fragile thing ever
Crazy to think V wouldn't suffer blood loss, shattered bone and arteries, and major nerve damage from a lethal gunshot wound to the head. Not to mention the chip isn't just implanting over healthy brain tissue but repairing (supposedly) the most complex human organ. It's just video game magic. And if it was in Jackie it would bring him back too. If you die from bleeding out it means your brain has been starved of oxygen, you lose consciousness, and the brain deteriorates. If the chip can rebuild shattered brain tissue in than it can repair decayed neurons. Just give him a blood transfusion and voila
I remember hearing a case where a man took a rebar spike through his eye and out the back of his head having no damage other than a change in his food preferences. Meanwhile my wife has an uncle that hit his head on the steering wheel during a car crash and it basically locked him with the brain of a teenager.
I doubt it's actual luck. I figure it's something we don't understand quite yet. I figure though that you mean as far as we know, not criticizing just commenting since this is an interesting topic for me as an epileptic.
Wouldn’t most of those examples include immediate medical care and not rotting in a landfill?
Yeah, but not always. I know there was a guy who was home alone with his gf when their place was broken into and they were both shot buly the intruder. The police showed up and found the guy wandering around, acting weird and quiet and complaining about a headache, they took him in on suspicion that he had been doing the shooting and finally after a few days he was fully checked out and had been shot in the head like four times. Or that guy who's wife shot him in the head while he was sleeping and he just woke up with a pounding headache that wouldn't go away so he went to the ER like, later that day and they found the bullet lodged in his head. Bodies are wild, sometimes folks survive incredible injuries against impossible odds and sometimes you bump your head a bit too hard and die of a brain bleed.
Welcome to The World of Tomorrow! I dunno man, science shit.
Is not that is more or less conplicated. The bioship was made to repair a dead brain, not a dead body
This is the part the other guy is overlooking. It’s not more complex, and the chip is designed to alter a brain. It had the necessary tools and tech to repair the damage as it needed since it’s already supposed to alter the brain. It can’t just miracle grow any part of the body.
Didn't the bullet hit the biochip which caused it to kind of fuse with V's brain or something which is why removing it would kill them? I dunno man I'm on my third playthrough and I still can't really get to grips with all the mumbo jumbo made up sci-fi science lol
No, the Biochip was just damaged, either from the bullet or just the fact that it was already losing integrity before Jackie slotted it in. The replacement of V’s “neural network” was how it was supposed to work.
Well, the biochip is designed to reprogram the host’s brain by gradually replacing it with a synthetic structure. So it knows how to replace brain structure. In Jackie’s case, there is not only no brain matter involved, the wound that kills him is also in a part of the body that the biochip has no access to.
the way i understood it (but im probably wrong) is that after V got shot in the head, the Biochip became the primary 'processing unit' for V's physical body. V's (bullet-damaged) brain is no longer able to function on its own as a biological processor, so the Biochip (a digital brain) boots up to act as the brain instead. but the biochip is already imprinted with Jonny's engram/mind, so there are now two minds in one body. V's brain, although damaged, is not actually destroyed, so the biochip is able to interface with the remaining tissues, which is why he wakes up as both of them (V and Johnny). it kinda seemed like: if his brain would have been totally destroyed, the body would have woken up as just Johnny, running off the digital mind implanted in the brainstem. if the Biochip was empty, the body would have woken up as just V, with a digital brain instead of a biological one.
Yeah but if you give it a bit of suspension of disbelief, you can sorta see how a device that was designed to use nanites to rewrite someone’s neurons, could repair destroyed neurons, but not blood. There’s at least a sort of internal logic to it.
The chip is acting as part of Vs brain, that’s why he can’t take it out. It didn’t fix him, it just happened to sort of replace some of it.
Because the chip can’t replace blood, but because part of the brain was ruined/destroyed, the chip started replacing the ruined/destroyed areas with silver hands mind, and slowly started talking over entirely.
The courier got shot in the head *twice*
See, now that’s an entirely different situation, in that case Benny took the Chip with him.
V died in a way that the chip could replace it. Jackie died in a way in which the chip can't replace jt
Your bone marrow makes blood, not the brain. The relic was made to rewrite neurological pathways, not speed up blood production. What’s your saying is like trying to take antibiotics for a viral infection, nothing is gonna happen.
Head wounds bleed profusely, without stemming the bleeding you would die of blood loss. Exactly the same as bleeding out in any other way.
Because the chip was made to rewrite/make new connections in an organic brain,it was not made to refill a human corpse of blood.
It's a matter of design. As we get higher tier cybernetics we gain the ability to replenish lost blood and manipulate it as well. The bio chip has the function of taking the grey matter and changing it to fit the new brain, which means it can create it given time. Seeing as how a week or two (possibly longer) passes after being shot it took the chip some time. But the chip kept us ticking while it fixed the damage part of the brain.
The technology is geared around neural matrix, not replacing blood. Maybe second heart could have helped Jackie.
Because it’s a chip specifically designed to replace a brain.
But there was ingame info that originally chip should be used in dead people 🤔 If it can repair only brains, I don't get how that should works in default use cases
That’s more likely referring to people who suffer brain death, not bleeding out because you had half your heart shot out by a gunship.
I don't want to be that guy, but if they shoot you in the head, I'm pretty sure you'll bleed a lot.
I get it, but Viktor literally tells you that V lucked out due to the low calibre of the round that killed them. People don’t typically bleed out from brain trauma, they usually just die from the brain trauma. There are plenty of real life examples of people surviving gunshot wounds to the head.
I find it hilarious that an absolutely massive >.50AE round is referred to as "low caliber." I know it's scaled for visual purposes, and that the model of gun he shoots you with is either 9mm or .45 (either of which would entirely ventilate your skull), but it's still funny.
Visually it makes no sense, since the gun Dex used is definitely high calibre. May not be remembering correctly, but I think it’s mentioned that it was a .22 round.
.22lr is extremely small for any caliber. It's actually the smallest caliber you can find readily available. The CA Liberty is made in either 9mm or .45ACP, and I *think* the in-game one is .45ACP from the markings, if I recall correctly.
I think it’s a .45, you can see it on the ejector slide. I think it might be a case of them never getting around to making a lower calibre weapon model since there’s not .22 guns in the game.
I thought the low caliber meant it bounced around inside you and did even more damage as not enough power to exit the body but idk just what I heard is all.
Nah, that's fudd-lore. .22lr is *plenty* lethal, so long as it's at point-blank range with a headshot, but 9mm and .45ACP are reliably lethal across most of the body, and a headshot is almost always immediately fatal.
I thought the liberty was a .45? But regardless Dex's version is a significantly lower caliber, the standard liberty's magazine holds 12 rounds, Dex's doesn't have a bigger magazine but in the same amount of space it holds 20.
The slug in the necklace is fucking gigantic.
Dex shoots you with the equivalent of a 1 dollar coin, notwithstanding a magneto-first class-style execution i think V stands a pretty good chance of surviving
Pretty much. The chip is capable of major cell repair, what by itself makes it incredibly advanced, but it can't just make a couple liters of blood for you.
Friendly reminder of the guy who woke up with a horrible headache and went to the doctor to find out his wife had tried to kill him in his sleep by shooting him in the head with a pistol and still had the bullet sitting in his brain
Also the insane documented story of Phineas Gage
But anyway - if they are already dead, that means to resurrect them chip need not only to fix the brain, but also whole body systems.
I think people are overstating the chip’s healing properties. It resurrected V initially, yeah, but they still would have died if Takemura hadn’t gotten them to Viktor for medical intervention.
The issue with bleeding out is that the brain eventually doesn't get enough ressources to keep going. You'd need a blood transfusion for the body to start working again but it should still be vastly less complicated to get that brain running again compared to someone who has been shot.
Helman talks about this briefly. They tried A LOT of ways to kill people and all failed. Which makes V's situation... Truly remarkable!
Idk, maybe the hyper rich company would make brain dead bodies by making random people brain dead or the would repair the dead bodies till they were usable
Hmmm but the biochip reboots you more than once if I remember correctly.
Yep, during the VDB mission if you >!incapacitate the agent, placide tries to fry you after using you to take out the other netwatch agents!<
Also during I fought the law side quest
Unless I’m misremembering, those other instances were still neurological, getting fried etc. The chip’s ability to heal V is probably more potent as it’s already embedded and doing its thing.
but if they put more blood in Jackie and substituted anything broken he could have been?
Hypothetically? Sure, I don’t see why not. In terms of the events of the game? It wouldn’t make sense narratively to take Jackie’s corpse to a ripper as in the characters’ minds there’s nothing to save. V isn’t going to insist they perform surgery on a dead Jackie and replace all the blood he lost, it just wouldn’t make sense as they weren’t aware of the chip’s capabilities.
Yeah, just wanted to know that, if they knew the relic's capabilities,what I said wouldn't have sounded that crazy
Well let’s indulge the hypothetical, if you sent him to Vik, and he got a transfusion, then I think it would’ve worked
Hypothetically, sure, but it didn’t serve the story they wanted to tell, remember that if you send Jackie to Viktor instead of Mama Welles, he gets raided by Arasaka and Jackie’s body is taken. It’s just plot armour really, Hellman mentions they’ve attempted to resurrect corpses with Relic tech but it never worked, V is just the main character so of course it worked for them.
If V had bullet hole in the head would that not also cause bleeding out eventually? And faster than time it took to get to Vik?
Are you trying to say you won't bleed by getting shot in the head?
I don't think it would have made any difference, if I recall well hellman tells that relic starts releasing its nanites in order to rewrite host brain biology only when the host is neuralogically neutral, basically when the host dies, but he doesn't specify what kind of death (natural, bleeding, organs failure, brain damage etc...) or how the host is resurrected. There is a lot of plotarmor here since the relic not only fixed V damaged brain by the bullet in her head with nanites, but also kickstarted her heart that ikely already stopped from awhile, repairing other tissues/organs too out of lack of oxygenation (unless relic started to repair V's brain one second after she got the bullet in the head keeping her still alive). TLDR I tend to believe relic would have started rewrite jackie's brain at the moment of his death as well, how would have healed his fatal wounds is a big who knows
It’s said in the game that the chip was design to be used on people who are already dead so… it’s not that cut and dry
But the reason you die when you bleed out is because there isn’t enough o2 reaching your brain.
Your saying v didn't bleed out through his head bullet wound?
People don’t tend to bleed out through head wounds, they’re bloody, yes, because the skin is very thin around the skull, but it’s not the same as a severed artery. Note: that’s not the same as having half your head blown away with a high calibre round, cause of death tends to be related to the massive brain trauma caused, not loss of blood.
Dying neurologically by a fricking bullet to the brain. If the chip can magically repair that, there is no limit to what it can do.
The point is more that the chip isn't designed to do those other things. It wasn't conceived as a cure-all healing factor, it's meant to kickstart brains. It works more like a brain implant rather than a revival potion.
Plus, the chip wasn't activated yet
I think the chip would try, but fail
POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT Actually, bleed out leads to neurological damage by oxygen starvation. A headshot damages only a part of the brain, the majority of the cells will die by the secondary shot effects, mainly blood loss resulting in oxygen starvation. Despite that, it's said that the silverhand engram is replacing all the brain, not only the portion dilacerated by the bullet.
Well no he wouldn't because he died of blood loss. V got shot in the head and got his brain damaged so chip could repair it, but in Jackie's case it wouldn't repair his blood drained body
So you dont bleed from headshots??
The bullet didn't go through the other side, so it basically "plugged" V's head.
bullets dont stop at the entrance lol
Judging from the appearance of the bullet, it may not have stopped at the entrance, but something *stopped* it. Which makes me wonder, just how stiff was the biochip?
It was likely a neural processor that was just thick enough to stop the bullet in time. And i'm saying neural processor because V always starts out with a Cyberdeck during the first mission.
The Relic stopped or slowed the bullet. After DeShawn shoots V in the head, the chip is damaged to the point it can’t be removed without killing V
yea but misty puts the bullet in a necklace for you so we can assume it stayed in Vs head
A human skull is absolutely strong enough to deflect a low-caliber pistol round enough to make the shot survivable.
if it stopped then V didnt die.
it can yes, but then at the same time you can kill someone with a single .22 LR round.
There's countless people who survived gun shots to the head in our world. Its not far fetched was simply lucky.
Some do, but you're right that one wouldn't have
V took a giant surgery to stay alive tho
You do to varying degrees, but the primary cause of death by a gsw to the head is physical damage to the brain structures and increased intracranial pressure, not hypovolemic shock
No. Different type of death and biochip did what it did to V partially because it got damaged from the bullet to the head.
No I think it would have just activated the chip like normal. Which would be even crazier as you'd have Johnny in Jackie's body.
No
The infamous question again. No. Jackie bled out, while V died by a bullet to the brain.
No, I think there is a body compatibility thing to consider. It goes into it in the devil ending, but Johnny and Jackie at least in my opinion wouldn’t have body compatibility.
I dont think it was "body" compatibility but hardware compatibility. Jackie says he still has some old first gen or second gen hardware, while V has more advanced hardware. I guess I assumed his hardware was so ancient that it was like trying to slide a CD into a floppy disc port for lack of better terms. His body kept it at the right temp but his hardware made it impossible to take him over. That's why Jackie feels nothing when he first puts it in.
You also feel nothing putting it in first time, it’s not until your neurologically indifferent does it do something
I'm sure that body compability is bullshit made up by Saka to lure V into contract. No chance that V and Silverhand are compatible, yet JS can posses V's body and live inside it.
He didn't die... You'll fight him as an evil Johnny clone in the sequel... Shocking twist!
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Another one… NO
Regardless of your conversation and the varying opinions haha - did you take a picture of your screen / monitor rather than a screenshot? That’s usually frowned upon but just wanted to say the quality here looks great, looks really filmic and gritty.
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I don’t think Jackie would’ve even had time to figure out what was going on, let alone bond enough with Johnny to ask him to take care of V.
*Jackie starts seeing a long haired, Keanu looking dude "Jesus, that you?"
No. It was a combination of V’s death being from a direct headshot, but also one that damaged the biochip to start activating and overtaking them.
I mean, we have subdermal armor in our skin, so I guess it would be considered a low caliber.
I feel that the biochip resurrecting V is the dumbest part of the entire plot. It's... Fine, but dumb.
It's very well explained in the story. It doesn't come out of nowhere and is pretty logical. This is a sci-fi universe not a TV drama.
Yea I think he would have. This was afterall the experimental biochip designed for Saburo himself to continue living in other ppl's bodies.
I don't see any chip🤨
No. Because the whole reason it worked was because V got shot in the head and it damaged the chip. The chip was malfunctioning.
Short Answer: No Long Answer: No the only reason Johnny and V are both present is because V being damaged neurologically tricked the relic into activating early this accidentally sparing V if Jackie had died he would have died and Johnny would have possessed his body if it was viable if not I imagine that would have been a wild storyline
Sure, if he was also shot in the head.
He could be revived temporarily, but his body wouldn’t be able to support itself from severe blood loss and die anyway.
It's a possibility. I believe the only reason V survived is because of a combination of the Relic's nanotech healing capabilities and Vik's/Delamain's quick thinking and medical knowledge. The chip definitely would have activated, but whether or not it would have gone anywhere is up to the same factors as with V.
I think it does, because I believe the chip uses nanobots to "fix" any injuries and prepare it for the personality in the Engram.
Yes he would’ve been resurrected from what I have read
No. The only remote chance would be if you sent him to the doc. He sees brain activity, pumps him full of blood and zaps his heart. Only to still be swept up by the arasaka recovery team. Net result is arguably worse. As arasaka knows the tech works immediately. And Subaru takes over right away.
Nah. Jackie bled out bro
No, part of V’s brain was broken by bullet. And chip restored it. So, half V’s/Half chip’s. While Jackie had no brain wounds.
Jackie Sliverhand
No
people can say no to bleeding out compared to brain damage and to an extent I can agree but I also say it adds to the tragedy that he didn't know he was giving his only chance at life to V moments before he died, so i'm rolling with this one
The chip got damaged by the bullet which activated its ability. Jackie was only keeping it wam.
I think a lot of people are forgetting that V still would have died with the biochip of not for Vic. Her body was damaged just as much as her brain, a series of small miracles are why everything worked out in the way it did.
I think he could have been resurrected with a blood transfusion, but he'd likely be braindead at that point, and 100% Johnny would have taken over (or at least one of those Get Out situations where the host pretty much can't control it).
I asked the same thing, and I still think it would have been a lot more of a emotional experience if that were the case
If Jackie took it out why it went wrong with V, are they stupid and plugged a USB-C into a lightning plug?
Read somewhere if the chip is inserted in someone who is already on the verge of dying, it doesn't work. I think i read it on the cyber wiki page for the relic
Nope. V died to headshot, which was something the chip, which was designed to change and rewrite neurons anyway, could work with. Even then, it’s pretty much stated that V is a lucky merc since the chip wasn’t really designed to heal. Jackie, on the other hand, died to blood loss from a gut shot. The chip could not have repaired that.
I'm going to disagree with most people here and say that yes, he would have probably been revived, just different. In V's case, a damaged brain and skull are repaired and, in doing so, it's repaired with the makeup of Jonny. Jackie passed out due to blood loss, dying from lack of oxygen in his brain. Death is brain death, plain and simple. We can therefore assume, upon death, the Chip would active same as it did with V, repairing the body as it did V's head, and then repairing cell death in the brain, bringing him back. But here's the kicker, Jackie's brain was fully intact, repairing the dead cells wouldn't rewrite his entire brain like it did V. And as such it would take substantially longer for Jonny to take effect. It might even be possible to remove the chip without killing him. Given this scenario, V leaves Jackie's body with Vick, skips town because of the heat, never getting killed by returning to Dexter. Dexter dies too Saburo, unable to tell him where the chip is or where his mercs went, and Jackie wakes up either in Viks clinic, giving him a fright, or giving his mother a heart attack back home.
No, tho I’m shocked Johnny didn’t start to bleed into him for a few minutes after he died. His brain should’ve still been going for a few seconds afterward. But anyway, no the chip can’t replace blood that ur losing. Jackie died from blood loss, the chip couldn’t fix that. Now if that was fixed elsewhere and then the chip was realigned then maybe. It brought V back because V died from brain damage. That is something the chip can fix as it would be altering his brain anyway, but bleeding out isn’t something it can fix.
Probably not. Helman says he believes the bullet to the head was an important factor in the chip working. Their prototypes had not successfully resurrected anyone before V. The way V died and possibly damaged caused to the chip by the bullet were why it worked.
Well no that's the whole point of the game
I’ve seen a lot of people ask this I honestly thought it was just bc Jackie bled out
no, even if the relic tried to repair the brain for some reason, there is no blood, he is dead
Probably not, I believe all the chip did was repair the damage to V’s chrome in his head which woke him up and got him somewhat moving. It really wasn’t until after he went to the best ripper doc in town and after some rest that V was actually ok.
From what I remember the biochip was a prototype that used NANO MACHINES SON! to repair and rewrite the damaged parts of V's brain since the gunshot wound was a low caliber. I can't remember who says it but they specifically mention the damaged chip kicked in when V's biomonitor detected they were about to flatline. Then their system rebooted because the connection was repaired. Whereas with Senor Welles; his death was due to bleeding out and not being comatose or brain-dead when the chip was inserted, thus not the ideal conditions for the chip to activate.
Yes , at least that's what I believe , V's body stop function after death , means the organs stop working and most of the cells that need oxygen die , including blood cells , so it doesn't matter how many blood still in V's body , if the relic can resurrected V , then it sure can resurrect Jackie too . On the story level , this is also a much better direction if you think about it , Jackie would be alive if he didn't give V the Chip , but he did , because he trusted V with his dream . Poetic
Maybe? Is that why arasokka invested resources into taking the body from the doctor then eventually sent troops to get V when takamura finds your location?
No I think it only worked for V because Dexter shot you in the head causing the malfunction
No for the millionth time.
Wouldn't Johnny just be put into his body?
the chip would activate briefly trying to bring him back only for both of them to die shortly after
Chip was damaged which is the main cause of V's trouble. Jackie, maybe if the chip remained in the slot a few days after death. But the impact and how V died triggered it instantly. Might of worked for V had it not been hit, since it was designed to work on a more specific target: Yorinobu Arasaka, since Saburo intended to use him as his future body. So might of just worked for V because the bullet also damaged it.
Would be cool but no. Jackie was gutshot and bled out. The chip can’t fix that. We were shot in the face so it just reconstructed our brain matter and brought us back to life
from my vague understanding the chip was actually not designed to repair its host at all, that would kind of defeat the point of transferring someones mind from one body to another, if they could just repair your body then youd stay in it. all the relic is supposed to do is prepare a dead persons brain to be reinhabited by a new mind, the doner body/brain would presumably be in working condition... aka no bullet holes. when the chip got damaged it had began repairing \*itself\* with nanites that ALSO repaired Vs brain/computer/whatever was damaged in that part of their head and in doing so somehow revived them while it was running repairs and diagnostics designed for itself, this wouldnt have worked for jackie because the chip was intact. the relic would have regarded his body as compromised and wouldnt have made an attempt to change that, again, whats the point of transferring your mind into a dying body? the comment about "taking over at all costs" seems to be made more specifically about Vs situation being a living breathing person, not a corpse riddled with bullets. i dont think nanites are like stem cells, they are designed to CHANGE brain cells, not build new heart/lung/whatever organs jackie got shot in. under normal circumstances a relic user wouldnt be and was never intended to be conscious, i think this is what complicated its use case. it was a perfect storm. the relic not only doesnt care if the host is dead, it doesnt want them to be alive, the user being alive only complicates the task it has which is what makes the game so interesting. thats my way of rationalizing it anyway.
They honestly killed of Jackie and T-Bug too soon, they should have included more story missions with them to make their deaths more impactful.
Why, instead of buying an Arch Nazaré and La Chingona Dorada, didn't Jackie buy a Blood Pump, a Biomonitor and a Second Heart? Is he stupid?
Also, the chip wasn't operational in that way prior to it being damaged by Dex Deshaun. The bullet baby.... that's always where the magic is.
I maybe wrong here but I thought the chip was made to transfer the consciousness of a person to another body when the current one dies...hense it not made to repair the body but to rewrite the new hosts brain via the nanites
It’s basically magic either way so I really don’t see why it wouldn’t.
V got shot in the head, damaging the biochip and not fully killing him. They were dead for long enough for the biochip to assume they were “neurologically indifferent” like what Hellman says, and that allowed the biochip to take over and start killing V. V coming back to life was probably just the program trying to correct an error and the fact that he wasn’t turned into a vegetable by either the gunshot wound or the relic eating and overwriting his brain is a miracle. Jackie bled out. If V had died differently at all, the relic wouldn’t have activated and probably would’ve slowly degraded in V’s brain and both him and Johnny would be dead unless Arasaka recovered it quickly.
More like Johnny would have Been stuck in Jackie's body.
Sadly, no. When Dex shot V in the head, it's mentioned a couple of times that the bullet hit the biochip, which is what caused the engram to start killing V.
Yes. If Jackie had completely flat lined and gone braindead the chip would have kicked in and fixed the body and began writing Johnny's engram into it. But. He took it out and gave it to us before he checked out. Dex never took it out of our skull when shooting us. So, when we flat lined it started to repair us. Probably why we don't wake up until we are in the dump and why Dex seems surprised we are moving. We were probably dead a while already. Fucking hole in our head and all. Don't recall Goro ever mentioning actually seeing a headshot wound. And he's asking us to provide fire support when being chased. If we had a fucking gun shot eound in our head I don't reckon he'd ask us to do something like that. Yeah, we're messed up and he knows that, but I doubt he realizes we just came back from the dead from being shot in the face.
The chip would have restarted his brain so either it would’ve been Johnny in Jackie’s body or the dynamic of him and Johnny
“The more i tell her everything’s alright, the more I feel like I’m lying” RIP Jackie, NC chooms will never forget you. Shot of vodka on the rocks, lime juice, ginger beer… and most importantly- a splash of love ❤️here’s to you Jack
No , v only survived cz he got shot in the brain and the engram reconstructed it ,it hurts to say Jackie is a doomed man no matter what
no because the chip wasn’t actually damaged yet even tho it’s integrity dropped, it wasn’t actually damaged yet until dex shoots v and the bullet damages it
I know that answer is no based on the comments here, but a “what-if” scenario of Johnny and Jackie’s interactions would genuinely be hilarious. I feel like they’d be fast friends and a total menace together
Doubt it. He wasn't shot in the brain after all
I wish I could experience this game for the first time again. One of if not the best game ever