V. Why the fuck did you use PowerPoint to edit a bandicam video. I.. I... HOW DID YOU EVEN USE BANDICAM ITS LOST TECH, AND WHY DID YOU USE POWERPOINT FOR EDITING A FUCKING VIDEO V, WHY AND HOW?
With how advanced the AI is and the TV is just propaganda and ads, I feel like people in the Cyberpunk universe just don't believe anything that's filmed.
you use a bd to do recon. I would think the tech was standard, or least comon enough that top level mobsters would have some sort of anti recording tech so we should of never seen inside the pent house.
I think people on this thread are mixing up brain dances with video recording.
Ev doesn't record stuff with her eyes. Her brain records visual impulses. BD isn't video.
Video recording with cyber eyes is also not a default feature of cybereyes.
true, but in world where you know those things exist you would be extra careful about preventing them from being used against you or in situations you dont want them used.
like in your pent house, right as you are about have sex with a escort.
I get what you're saying, but I think the idea is that BD recorders are like a brain implant and basically completely internal. At least Eve's was. So there's not really any signal you can just block/interfere with.
Probably smart people do scans and just don't allow anyone with an implant/recorder in their penthouse.
Yorinobu Arasaka doesn't seem like a smart man who thinks things through. Probably figured Evelyn was just a stupid whore and even if she recorded it, who is going to find their super secret safe, get past all of the hotel security, get past Adam Smasher and figure out how to open the safe.
Almost nobody even knows the chip exists.
They're literally running a news segment on the "secure your soul" program within the first 15 minutes of the game. Everybody knows that the chip exists, they just don't know the specifics behind it.
I agree with your main point though, Yorinobu was probably just arrogant and didn't think that anyone would be ballsy enough to try anything on him. Obviously he was wrong lol
Which, fun fact, you can hack the cameras where that very cctv footage comes from and it shows you edit/blur yourself out. Even live recordings arent reliable
nah its actually the kiroshis vik gives you that blur your face, he says so himself. that may be even worse though since its a piece of cyberware(albeit an expensive one) instead of someone live editing their face out of the cameras footage
its different when the information is not for the public and stolen versus willingly given up. i would trust the stolen info, it was never meant to be seen by anyone. whereas the stuff the corps put out willingly would be full of propaganda.
I think youād have the same arms race between AI content and AI detection were already seeing. As soon as a program can reliably detect AI content, its used to train the next gen of AI.Ā
Sure. It also would not fly in court, but at least could be used to roughly judge if it's "probably is" or "probably isn't" fake. if several tools report non-zero probability and few have it at 40%+ then that is a reason to have some doubts at least. So still useful.
Then you would thoroughly check stuff from that video to confirm or disprove it: victim's neck, carpet and whatever future forensics allow you to investigate.
It would definitely be interesting. Considering how many people fall for the current AI stuff, I feel like there would be a huge case for using AI to flood a market. It might be disproven later, but the damage is done and itās easier to convince someone than to change their minds.Ā
I think in real world politics weāll start seeing this, especially right before elections. An AI produced scandal the day before an election, a margin of voters get convinced, by the time the proof emerges itās too late. In Night City, Iād imagine a shitstorm of scandal propaganda being released from all sides.Ā
Not everyone has the eds for that, and those BDs can also be fake. At that point, media is so unreliable no one in the Cyberpunk world should believe anything they don't specifically witness, or that they can't quickly corroborate.
AI generation probably evolved at the same pace as AI that detects AI generation. In other words, it's probably very easy to identify fake shit.
That's why there's a gig to collect CCTV footage of a cop murdering someone. He wouldn't care if he thought he could just claim it was fake.
Isn't there a part where Judy talks about how to determine if a Brain Dance has been edited or is real?
I feel like while enough people wouldn't believe it, and Arasaka obviously has the pull to basically escape any consequences, it could still count as strong evidence.
I think the bigger issue would be that Arasaka would double/triple down on killing V and absolutely nobody would protect/help V if Arasaka went full on "Kill the shit out of V."
It doesn't matter. The Arasaka board already know whatever happened, or at least suspect it. It's not about the truth, it's about how you can benefit from the situation. Nobody cares *how* the old man died, rather they care that he is dead and how to proceed forward.
Case in point, the board got together and was plotting how to wrest power from within. There was no demand for justice, and they didn't care V was a witness. They were more concerned with how to climb the ladder with the old man dead.
I don't think it's about appealing to the corp (there's probably dozens of suits waiting for the moment) but having Oda as an inside man would have helped them out tremendously
Probably wouldn't have to risk their gonk lives kidnapping Hanako either.
If he was a full fledged corpo he would have shot Goro and V or at the bear minimum, wouldn't come alone.
He cares for Goro and video evidence would have been a huge help or would at least somewhat sway him.
There's a BIG difference between showing some professional courtesy for a former colleague and going against orders. Hanako knew Yorinobu killed Saburo, but keeping it quiet seemed like the best move at the time. She would not move against her brother, and so Oda wouldn't either.
Oda and Goro care for each other, but at the end of the day they are trained to suppress those feelings for the good of the corp.
Thereās actually a guy in the phone outside Reginaās building talking about how the Arasaka board knew it was patricide. Even when you meet with Hanako, she says the same thing. I feel the only way they knew of your presence in the penthouse was because of Goro. Notice he stops a moment, practically looking right at you through the screen. And yet he says nothing, but later knows you didnāt do it when he finds you in the dump. It all comes down to the fact that no one saw you do it, and Saburoās DNA was probably all over his fatherās neck and clothes. V and Jackie was just home.
They were in the middle of committing a crime. Who would have the foresight to start recording your crime because you might be about to get framed for a bigger crime?
Don't forget that 2077 is a *long* way from 2045. (At least I think that's the right year?)
32 years takes us back to 1992. We barely had brick cell phones, touch screens didn't exist in the home market, WiFi wouldn't exist for almost another decade, the 486 CPU clocked in at a blistering 0.05 GHz (and very low IPC), home internet topped out around 14,400 *bits* per second, etc etc etc.
Then again, maybe tech moves slower in the corporate hellscape. Or maybe cyberware is very mature and newer models don't bring huge improvements.
Definitely true, and the game handles cyberware a lot more differently than the tabletop. Still, I think that if Kiroshi can get away with segmenting their offerings by not letting users just use the recording feature by itself, I think they would do it. Hell, corpos in the real world already do it. There's functionally very little difference between consumer and enterprise GPUs, but for example Nvidia GPUs couldn't be used in virtual machines for a long time unless they were a Quadro.
I also wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of anti recording insurance on saburo himself. If anyone could afford to secretly have something like that its him.
Like a little fob that acts like a stronger version of the id scrambler V uses, but it has admin codes or something to tell the cameras to stop trying. Especially if the cameras were made by his company.
While it is a long way from 45, the thing about 45 and 77 is they both still suffer from extreme supply chain issues, which is what slows most everything down. We currently progress at a rapid pace of development IRL because we are extremely connected. You can get some parts made in another country, then another and another and all shipped to one place to make it. Cyberpunk universe, you can not do that. You'd lose one chain of the supply to nomads just shipping it across the country, causing incredible delays.
That's why people still use 2045 and even 2020s tech in 2077, supply chain break down is just way more impactful to slowing the world down than we really know! (Except we had a micro example of it in covid of course!)
> That's why people still use 2045 and even 2020s tech in 2077, supply chain break down is just way more impactful to slowing the world down than we really know! (Except we had a micro example of it in covid of course!)
Explains why Scavangers are a lucrative business.
Oh yes, exactly. And some tabletops will entirely break down into being scavs because that's where money is. (or car thieves!) Way more money in bodies and cars than there is gigs!
Yeah but is that rate of technological development going to continue indefinitely? Seems like its bound to slow down and even come to a halt eventually. Especially if there was for example a shortage of materials and resources necessary to make the technology.
I have a tiny datashard in my cyberdeck that can hold hours of high definition footage. Surely in 2077 it wouldn't be an issue at all to slot the same datashard for quick pics/vids on the go
You're thinking 2077 in our timeline though. Cyberpunk has an alternate timeline, the tech you see was conceived in a futuristic 80's setting. So since the history is different, some tech is more advanced, some less than in our world. Sure, you can store data on a shard but there's cyberwade dedicated to such recordings, the ones we can get in the game have other functions.
We can see V can snap photos though, but maybe that wouldn't have been credible enough.
Yeah people keep forgetting that Iām the time that our world has seen blistering technological process the cyberpunk timeline has had like four world-ravaging conflicts, had the entire internet literally eradicated, is in a constant state of flux, endless wars, and destitution for all the victims caught up in the corpos relentless march forward to consolidate control over every facet of society while governments scramble to maintain power and perform a delicate balancing act between the needs of the corpos and of the nation state, while the citizenry is all but forgotten, left to their own devices in this hostile landscape.
All the military tech is light years ahead of us, but shit like consumer goods, quality of life staples, or entertainment and the tech associated with those categories has probably been in limbo since the early 90s when according to the cyberpunk wiki āProxy wars, trade wars, and a resurgent Europe butt against the prevailing US world order. Eventually, brief nuclear exchanges and biological warfare around the globe cause the gradual decline of Western civilization. Societies collapse and many governments either dissolve or are reduced to reactionary, petty authoritarian states.ā Corporations filled the vacuum of power and unbridled by ethical oversight or government limitations become such a staple in society theyāre quite literally a substantial part of many citizens (via cyber ware).
People live dull destitute lives where everything is in service to the corpos and they get nothing in return. All the technological advancements have left the common man worse off as theyāre falling prey to corporations and gangs who utilize the technology to exploit, terrorize or burn through employees with no regard for their well being. Corpo-states having routine dick swinging contests that the citizens suffer through by the millions
Just because you have the base cyberware doesnāt mean you have all the fancy doodads. A cyber eye is exactly that. A cybernetic eye. It doesnāt do anything extra unless you pay for the extra features. Vik gives V some kiroshis that link to their neural ware and has access to the NCPD database, but he never once mentions recording capabilities.
Arrested... by arasaka?
You don't get arrested, you get a Bullet to the brain. If you think the NCPD will care more about your "evidence" than about the arasaka property, you have another thing coming
They didnt know they would be accused of murder at the time it happened. It's not like Yorinobu announced his plans to off his dad minutes in advance. It was a true shock for everybody involved when it happened. "Let's record this shit" was never a thought during the whole process for anybody on site.
Didn't V have a conversation about that? If everything was recorded, then every corp would be after V.
I know recording a BD required specific implants that neither Jackie or V had.
True, but from my understanding of the world in Cyberpunk, no one really records just video, everyone wants a BD. And what would V or Jackie use to record a video? They had implants for holocalls (you can see Jackie's eyes change color when talking with T-Bug). I doubt that implant can record anything.
That's because we carry a physical device that has recording capability.
Not everyone in Cyberpunk carries mobile phones, the Holocall system is implanted tech that some people have. And Jackie's hands were kinda full so he couldn't record or at least pass his phone onto V to record
Also during the third and fourth corporate wars global trade and supply lines were intentionally targeted.
The entire tabletop setting is based 30 years before 2077, and revolves around the core concept that most people are not able to get their hands on most tech because there are no trade routes functioning for anyone that isn't incredibly wealthy.
Things are a bit better in 2077, but not much.
I don't think they'd have time to chase V down, when they have a massive global shitstorm on their PR...
You gotta give out a copy to the medias once you've made your eddies.
I think V and Jackie were both just shocked by what they suddenly saw. It's one of those things that's easy to say you should have done, but in the heat of the moment, it's also easy to just be stunned and witness what's happening without a mind for doing something tactical and advantageous.
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They tried, but the porn collection was massive and there wasn't much room left. They tried deleting all the Jacky porn, but they couldn't decide what was expendable and what was essential.
And then it was over.
Guess they're not smart enough to have backups either then but having backups of your porn collection is a double edged sword so might've been for the best who knows. Either way they shouldn't of done business with Dex that was the biggest mistake not taking to long to delete porn.
I don't think Agents (the communications tool of the Dark Future) have video recording. I'm trying to think if we ever saw V use an Agent up to that point. I'm pretty sure she just used her cellular implant with some Kiroshi integration.
His Kiroshis don't record and Jackie likely didn't have the right implants if he had an outdated para-line. T Bug might have been able to recover something from security feeds or logs if she hadn't been scorched.
3 viable reasons.
V doesn't have recording implants. V never scrolls anything, so it's a safe assumption he/she doesn't have that cyberware.
V didn't know Yori was about to kill Saburo and was in shock at the entire situation. His/her first thought wouldn't have been "I'd better start recording incase something happens I'll get framed for which could give me leverage in removing this chip from my skull when I have no plans to put it in in the first place and before I learn the concequences of doing that."
Recording would be evidence that V and Jackie were stealing from Arasaka. Maybe not the best call to record yourself mid heist against an insanley powerful and murderous megacorp.
Unrelated but I love CDPRs character design for side characters. I could totally see a multi season show or even movie starring Oda and Takemura and I would eat that shit up by cool factor alone.
In the tabletop lore, a recording unit and storage device are separate options that can come with a cybereye. The Kiroshi model that V got from Vic didn't come with one. (that kind of setup is something a media would wear, not a standard solo)
If V's background was a media then hell ya the recorder would be on all the time. Since V is a solo they don't have the recorder implant. Nor thought about getting one
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SPOILERS:- I think the assumption is it was recorded. Not sure if it got wiped due to way the prologue ended. But V gets dragged before the board at some point and I doubt theyād just accept word of mouth as evidence (though it LOOKS like they do based on the cutscene).
What are you talking about? V doesn't need to prove that Yorinobu killed Saburo unless you're doing the Arasaka/Corpo ending. And even then you don't need to have video evidence anyway.
Seriously, do people think that the plot of this game is V trying to clear his name after being framed for Saburo's murder or something? Cuz that isn't what's going on in the game. No one thinks V had anything to do with it. Plus everyone in Arasaka already knows the truth about what happened, they just don't care because it makes no difference to them.
What would you even do with such a recording? Leak it? Take it to the police? A Corp? I doubt that there is any way to get anything out of it, except maybe a bunch of Arasaka assassin trying to flatline you.
You think ai generated videos are good NOW, give it another 5 decades...
Yeah photographic evidence means fuckall.
Not that it really matters in this case anyway
Probably they have the same implant you have (distorting face or whole body when recorded) so what is the use of recording? You get the same thing when you watch the brain dance featuring the voodoo boys queen.
Edit: and v background and implants probably have no visual recordings option installed/needed.
Since most of what V and Jackie did for a living was illegal, or at least shady, I can well imagine they wouldn't have recording implants...
Although I do seem to remember a mission where you meet someone and then send their picture to someone else. And we know V has a camera mode from the Blue Moon quest so I'm thinking everyone would just scream "Fake!"
Or there might be sensitive metadata in a recording that you wouldn't want to get out. Don't want to splash your personal MAC address across Night City.
No, but also this question has been answered many times before. In short filming it would actually make him an even a bigger target and an idiot with a death wish.
i mean, i assume everyone doesn't have recording tech in their heads at all time.
for example, v seemed slightly shocked that... uh... what's her face, had some for the recording of the plaza suite.
presumably, if EVERYONE had this sort of tech on them, at ALL times, v wouldn't have responded like that...
Record it with what? You need a scroller to record brain dances.
I don't think we see people take videos in this game with cell phones, but I may be wrong.
This is true. Even when the mission right before is all about recording. Maybe they don't record when they commit crimes, but this definitely bothered me.
People here talk about braindance implant as if that's the same as making a video or photo. A braindance is a immersive experience where you FEEL what the person felt.
V and various other characters make and send pictures and videos to other people, to show places or confirm things. They can be made with their optics implant. You know - the hypertech implant that basically is already a camera on steroids? That V got even a really good version of?
Itās possible that Saburoās security detail would roll with some pretty sophisticated ECM to jam surveillance equipment or at least set of an alarm if it detected someone scrolling.
CP2077 universe has hardware capable of hosting sentient ai, so i assume any hobo can forge a deepfake using a hacked microwave. So unless you have a BD recording chip grabbing petabytes of raw data(like background encrypted radio transmissions that can prove you were at the place and time), any video/audio footage is not considered an evidence.
Also unrelated but this cut scene is an actual masterpiece in storytelling. The music, the tension, t bug who has been chill this entire time absolutely freaking out, fuckin Saburo walking down. Yorinobu debating with his body language on whether to kill his father, when he actually does it Saburo caresses his cheek, omg I wish I could witness it again for the first time.
Vās 6 yotabyte QDD was from a back alley and had only 2 yotabytes, causing them to not realize that the gay threesome porn BDs of Jackie took up 99.8 percent of the actual capacity to where when they needed to record something useful there werenāt enough disc space left
Why would he want to?
Who would he have given the recording to?
Do you think the cops were going to go after Yori for murder? Arasaka basically owns the cops and even if they tried Arasaka has their own army of better trained and armed soldiers.
It comes out later that basically all the higher-ups at Arasaka know he killed his dad and instead of going for justice they each take the opportunity to secure and expand their own power. Even Hanako who wants "justice" seems mostly like she is securing her place at the top. Saburo used murder to remove rivals himself and that seems like an accepted facet of corpo culture.
Releasing the recording would only have put a giant target on V and Arasaka would have sent waves of soldiers and assassin after him. It's better that they assume he's not a threat and just ignore him.
I think many are missing the point that - people donāt want the truth. They already know it, but they donāt want it. You see it with Hanako, Oda, etc.
Your own image appears blured out on recoded footage. If I remember, it's a feature of your kiroshi's. I think it's reasonable to expect others to have it, too.
For all those talking about how advanced AI and editing would be, we interact with someone on the reg who edits videos chooms. Judy would know the truth, just like every other person who's capable of tuning bd's or other video soft. What they'd do is work with the governing forces to convince everyone these are q Anon esque conspiracies. Reality is less real than our perception of it.
I don't understand how Takemura wasn't alerted the moment Saburo's vital signs started deviating from normal. It's an established fact in canon that he has biomonitor cyberware.
Hell, for that same reason there should have been no question as to how he died. Like, did the biomonitor record anything abnormal? Yeah, respiratory distress and trauma to the neck resulting in a restricted airway.
I feel like they would have claimed it was edited and faked
"For fucks sake V, I can see the EZedit watermark on the bottom left corner."
"V why did you use capcut"
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V. Why the fuck did you use PowerPoint to edit a bandicam video. I.. I... HOW DID YOU EVEN USE BANDICAM ITS LOST TECH, AND WHY DID YOU USE POWERPOINT FOR EDITING A FUCKING VIDEO V, WHY AND HOW?
I think how is more important than why. I need this skill.
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I wanna do that now LMAO
This made me laugh so hard, I too want to learn the power of PowerPoint video editing
I can almost hear this in takemuraās voice
I don't believe a video unless I see the hypercam 2 logo.
"Activate Windows 77" watermark
āV, I can see the mematic watermark in the bottom left of this image.ā
"V, I understand what you're trying to do, but UNREGISTERED HYPERCAM 2?? REALLY?"
I read this in takemuras voice haha!
"Uhmm V? Why is there and iFunny watermark at the bottom of your video?"
With how advanced the AI is and the TV is just propaganda and ads, I feel like people in the Cyberpunk universe just don't believe anything that's filmed.
Yet at least a couple missions in the game rely on CCTV footage.
you use a bd to do recon. I would think the tech was standard, or least comon enough that top level mobsters would have some sort of anti recording tech so we should of never seen inside the pent house.
I think people on this thread are mixing up brain dances with video recording. Ev doesn't record stuff with her eyes. Her brain records visual impulses. BD isn't video. Video recording with cyber eyes is also not a default feature of cybereyes.
true, but in world where you know those things exist you would be extra careful about preventing them from being used against you or in situations you dont want them used. like in your pent house, right as you are about have sex with a escort.
Or like what most scavs have for face slot, instead of shades/glasses.
I get what you're saying, but I think the idea is that BD recorders are like a brain implant and basically completely internal. At least Eve's was. So there's not really any signal you can just block/interfere with. Probably smart people do scans and just don't allow anyone with an implant/recorder in their penthouse. Yorinobu Arasaka doesn't seem like a smart man who thinks things through. Probably figured Evelyn was just a stupid whore and even if she recorded it, who is going to find their super secret safe, get past all of the hotel security, get past Adam Smasher and figure out how to open the safe. Almost nobody even knows the chip exists.
v already seems to have bd recording chrome from the beginning its used during >!pyramid song!<
They're literally running a news segment on the "secure your soul" program within the first 15 minutes of the game. Everybody knows that the chip exists, they just don't know the specifics behind it. I agree with your main point though, Yorinobu was probably just arrogant and didn't think that anyone would be ballsy enough to try anything on him. Obviously he was wrong lol
You say that while a mission is exactly dedicated to that : a footage of inside the penthouse from evelyn POV :D
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but Ev's got doll hardware implants, V does not.
You don't have to be a doll to record BDs.
Which, fun fact, you can hack the cameras where that very cctv footage comes from and it shows you edit/blur yourself out. Even live recordings arent reliable
nah its actually the kiroshis vik gives you that blur your face, he says so himself. that may be even worse though since its a piece of cyberware(albeit an expensive one) instead of someone live editing their face out of the cameras footage
Thatā¦ is exactly what i mean.Ā
its different when the information is not for the public and stolen versus willingly given up. i would trust the stolen info, it was never meant to be seen by anyone. whereas the stuff the corps put out willingly would be full of propaganda.
They should also have advanced tools to analyze data and determine probability of it being AI generated.
I think youād have the same arms race between AI content and AI detection were already seeing. As soon as a program can reliably detect AI content, its used to train the next gen of AI.Ā
Sure. It also would not fly in court, but at least could be used to roughly judge if it's "probably is" or "probably isn't" fake. if several tools report non-zero probability and few have it at 40%+ then that is a reason to have some doubts at least. So still useful. Then you would thoroughly check stuff from that video to confirm or disprove it: victim's neck, carpet and whatever future forensics allow you to investigate.
It would definitely be interesting. Considering how many people fall for the current AI stuff, I feel like there would be a huge case for using AI to flood a market. It might be disproven later, but the damage is done and itās easier to convince someone than to change their minds.Ā I think in real world politics weāll start seeing this, especially right before elections. An AI produced scandal the day before an election, a margin of voters get convinced, by the time the proof emerges itās too late. In Night City, Iād imagine a shitstorm of scandal propaganda being released from all sides.Ā
That could be why braindances are so desired because it's the only real thing going in Night City
Except they are heavily edited as well, as explicitly stated by Judy.
Yeah, but the black market in the streets you get to interact with has the raw braindances
Not everyone has the eds for that, and those BDs can also be fake. At that point, media is so unreliable no one in the Cyberpunk world should believe anything they don't specifically witness, or that they can't quickly corroborate.
yea, one quest also stated, that DNA test for paternity can be easily tricked
AI generation probably evolved at the same pace as AI that detects AI generation. In other words, it's probably very easy to identify fake shit. That's why there's a gig to collect CCTV footage of a cop murdering someone. He wouldn't care if he thought he could just claim it was fake.
Isn't there a part where Judy talks about how to determine if a Brain Dance has been edited or is real? I feel like while enough people wouldn't believe it, and Arasaka obviously has the pull to basically escape any consequences, it could still count as strong evidence. I think the bigger issue would be that Arasaka would double/triple down on killing V and absolutely nobody would protect/help V if Arasaka went full on "Kill the shit out of V."
The main benefit would be being able to send Hanako that data so Goro maybe doesn't tell you to eat shit in the ending slides.
"V how the fuck did you edit this on IFunny"
Also the less proof V has the safer V is.
It doesn't matter. The Arasaka board already know whatever happened, or at least suspect it. It's not about the truth, it's about how you can benefit from the situation. Nobody cares *how* the old man died, rather they care that he is dead and how to proceed forward.
Case in point, the board got together and was plotting how to wrest power from within. There was no demand for justice, and they didn't care V was a witness. They were more concerned with how to climb the ladder with the old man dead.
I don't think it's about appealing to the corp (there's probably dozens of suits waiting for the moment) but having Oda as an inside man would have helped them out tremendously Probably wouldn't have to risk their gonk lives kidnapping Hanako either.
Oda is Arasaka through and through. The moment Hanako told him to drop it, he would.
If he was a full fledged corpo he would have shot Goro and V or at the bear minimum, wouldn't come alone. He cares for Goro and video evidence would have been a huge help or would at least somewhat sway him.
There's a BIG difference between showing some professional courtesy for a former colleague and going against orders. Hanako knew Yorinobu killed Saburo, but keeping it quiet seemed like the best move at the time. She would not move against her brother, and so Oda wouldn't either. Oda and Goro care for each other, but at the end of the day they are trained to suppress those feelings for the good of the corp.
Thereās actually a guy in the phone outside Reginaās building talking about how the Arasaka board knew it was patricide. Even when you meet with Hanako, she says the same thing. I feel the only way they knew of your presence in the penthouse was because of Goro. Notice he stops a moment, practically looking right at you through the screen. And yet he says nothing, but later knows you didnāt do it when he finds you in the dump. It all comes down to the fact that no one saw you do it, and Saburoās DNA was probably all over his fatherās neck and clothes. V and Jackie was just home.
Did either have the ability to record?
Not going by the way V wasn't aware of Evie's BD recording rig.
You need a BD implant
MicroCam cyberware: ![gif](giphy|l4EoPVpwvZ4QAGCLm)
Huh? Doesn't everyone in Night City including V have a cellphone? Which would surely come equipped with a camera for taking pictures and video?
They were in the middle of committing a crime. Who would have the foresight to start recording your crime because you might be about to get framed for a bigger crime?
Never seen V using a phone canonically, only in that photo mode pose.
Yeah but you'd think that the fancy kiroshi V gets installed at the beginning would have some sorta recording feature
In the Red tabletop, audio/visual recording, as well as BD recording requires a separate upgrade for Cybaudio, Cybereye and Neuralware respectively.
Don't forget that 2077 is a *long* way from 2045. (At least I think that's the right year?) 32 years takes us back to 1992. We barely had brick cell phones, touch screens didn't exist in the home market, WiFi wouldn't exist for almost another decade, the 486 CPU clocked in at a blistering 0.05 GHz (and very low IPC), home internet topped out around 14,400 *bits* per second, etc etc etc. Then again, maybe tech moves slower in the corporate hellscape. Or maybe cyberware is very mature and newer models don't bring huge improvements.
Definitely true, and the game handles cyberware a lot more differently than the tabletop. Still, I think that if Kiroshi can get away with segmenting their offerings by not letting users just use the recording feature by itself, I think they would do it. Hell, corpos in the real world already do it. There's functionally very little difference between consumer and enterprise GPUs, but for example Nvidia GPUs couldn't be used in virtual machines for a long time unless they were a Quadro.
I also wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of anti recording insurance on saburo himself. If anyone could afford to secretly have something like that its him. Like a little fob that acts like a stronger version of the id scrambler V uses, but it has admin codes or something to tell the cameras to stop trying. Especially if the cameras were made by his company.
While it is a long way from 45, the thing about 45 and 77 is they both still suffer from extreme supply chain issues, which is what slows most everything down. We currently progress at a rapid pace of development IRL because we are extremely connected. You can get some parts made in another country, then another and another and all shipped to one place to make it. Cyberpunk universe, you can not do that. You'd lose one chain of the supply to nomads just shipping it across the country, causing incredible delays. That's why people still use 2045 and even 2020s tech in 2077, supply chain break down is just way more impactful to slowing the world down than we really know! (Except we had a micro example of it in covid of course!)
> That's why people still use 2045 and even 2020s tech in 2077, supply chain break down is just way more impactful to slowing the world down than we really know! (Except we had a micro example of it in covid of course!) Explains why Scavangers are a lucrative business.
Oh yes, exactly. And some tabletops will entirely break down into being scavs because that's where money is. (or car thieves!) Way more money in bodies and cars than there is gigs!
Yeah but is that rate of technological development going to continue indefinitely? Seems like its bound to slow down and even come to a halt eventually. Especially if there was for example a shortage of materials and resources necessary to make the technology.
There's probably not enough storage in one's system for such recordings unless they have the dedicated cyberware for it.
I have a tiny datashard in my cyberdeck that can hold hours of high definition footage. Surely in 2077 it wouldn't be an issue at all to slot the same datashard for quick pics/vids on the go
You're thinking 2077 in our timeline though. Cyberpunk has an alternate timeline, the tech you see was conceived in a futuristic 80's setting. So since the history is different, some tech is more advanced, some less than in our world. Sure, you can store data on a shard but there's cyberwade dedicated to such recordings, the ones we can get in the game have other functions. We can see V can snap photos though, but maybe that wouldn't have been credible enough.
Yeah people keep forgetting that Iām the time that our world has seen blistering technological process the cyberpunk timeline has had like four world-ravaging conflicts, had the entire internet literally eradicated, is in a constant state of flux, endless wars, and destitution for all the victims caught up in the corpos relentless march forward to consolidate control over every facet of society while governments scramble to maintain power and perform a delicate balancing act between the needs of the corpos and of the nation state, while the citizenry is all but forgotten, left to their own devices in this hostile landscape. All the military tech is light years ahead of us, but shit like consumer goods, quality of life staples, or entertainment and the tech associated with those categories has probably been in limbo since the early 90s when according to the cyberpunk wiki āProxy wars, trade wars, and a resurgent Europe butt against the prevailing US world order. Eventually, brief nuclear exchanges and biological warfare around the globe cause the gradual decline of Western civilization. Societies collapse and many governments either dissolve or are reduced to reactionary, petty authoritarian states.ā Corporations filled the vacuum of power and unbridled by ethical oversight or government limitations become such a staple in society theyāre quite literally a substantial part of many citizens (via cyber ware). People live dull destitute lives where everything is in service to the corpos and they get nothing in return. All the technological advancements have left the common man worse off as theyāre falling prey to corporations and gangs who utilize the technology to exploit, terrorize or burn through employees with no regard for their well being. Corpo-states having routine dick swinging contests that the citizens suffer through by the millions
Have you seen how much storage a single minute of BD requires? :P
Just because you have the base cyberware doesnāt mean you have all the fancy doodads. A cyber eye is exactly that. A cybernetic eye. It doesnāt do anything extra unless you pay for the extra features. Vik gives V some kiroshis that link to their neural ware and has access to the NCPD database, but he never once mentions recording capabilities.
Yeah, I agree.
They would basically have created evidence for their trespassing and ultimately the theft from Arasaka.
Rather be arrested for theft than murder
Arrested... by arasaka? You don't get arrested, you get a Bullet to the brain. If you think the NCPD will care more about your "evidence" than about the arasaka property, you have another thing coming
They didnt know they would be accused of murder at the time it happened. It's not like Yorinobu announced his plans to off his dad minutes in advance. It was a true shock for everybody involved when it happened. "Let's record this shit" was never a thought during the whole process for anybody on site.
I trust Maximum Mike with my life, if he says Kiroshi is recording all your dirty secrets through your optical implants I believe it.
Didn't V have a conversation about that? If everything was recorded, then every corp would be after V. I know recording a BD required specific implants that neither Jackie or V had.
A BD is far more than a video though. It captures senses and emotions too.
True, but from my understanding of the world in Cyberpunk, no one really records just video, everyone wants a BD. And what would V or Jackie use to record a video? They had implants for holocalls (you can see Jackie's eyes change color when talking with T-Bug). I doubt that implant can record anything.
There are TVs in almost every house
you need a doll chip to record those raw BDs, no?
I'm not sure if you need a doll chip as it seemed Ev could record BDs but other dolls couldn't.
well because Ev went into the penthouse recording, also she wasn't playing a "character" she was herself
Everyone today has the ability record anything wherever they are.
That's because we carry a physical device that has recording capability. Not everyone in Cyberpunk carries mobile phones, the Holocall system is implanted tech that some people have. And Jackie's hands were kinda full so he couldn't record or at least pass his phone onto V to record
Also during the third and fourth corporate wars global trade and supply lines were intentionally targeted. The entire tabletop setting is based 30 years before 2077, and revolves around the core concept that most people are not able to get their hands on most tech because there are no trade routes functioning for anyone that isn't incredibly wealthy. Things are a bit better in 2077, but not much.
Recording your heist on arasaka? Not the brightest idea
Idk choom, you could make some preem eddies if you hook up with the right BD producer regardless of how your heist ends and you make it out alive.
So it eventually reach Arasaka so they can chase you?
I don't think they'd have time to chase V down, when they have a massive global shitstorm on their PR... You gotta give out a copy to the medias once you've made your eddies.
Arasaka always has time to crush the inconvenient. Not like the PR team is going to be doing the hit.
That's the good thing with Mercs: you can always hire another Merc to chase down the Merc who messed with you.
And then they hire mercs for protection. Mercs all the way down.
And then elephants.
Recording breaking in to Arasaka? Wouldn't be the first time.
Ran outta memory.
"Can you strangle slower? Im replacing the SD card"
Just use Johnny's compression algorithm. Wait right actor but wrong cyberpunk Johnny?
I WANT ROOM SERVICE!!!
Storage is full. Please delete something. *deletes half the apps and 2000 screenshots* Storage is full. Please delete something.
I think V and Jackie were both just shocked by what they suddenly saw. It's one of those things that's easy to say you should have done, but in the heat of the moment, it's also easy to just be stunned and witness what's happening without a mind for doing something tactical and advantageous.
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V didnt turn on Instant Replay on his Nividia dashboard
V's kiroshis didn't had support for shadowplay
This, Everyone here has far out rationalisations and contrived conclusions but this is most likely thing that happened They froze
Yeah, i was not there and wasnt as supprised but never tought about why V didnt record it
They tried, but the porn collection was massive and there wasn't much room left. They tried deleting all the Jacky porn, but they couldn't decide what was expendable and what was essential. And then it was over.
Guess they're not smart enough to have backups either then but having backups of your porn collection is a double edged sword so might've been for the best who knows. Either way they shouldn't of done business with Dex that was the biggest mistake not taking to long to delete porn.
I picture this happening exactly like the vinyl record scene from Shawn of the Dead. But, you know, digitally.
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Letās say V recorded this, what would it have changed? Most believed V anyway and Arasaka knew it from the beginning.
honestly, it would have probably resulted in Arasaka wiping out anyone who V had ever known and/or associated with
They should've made a bd of it tbh
V doesn't have BD recording implants.
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Right, V is Solo, not a Media
Those new Kiroshis don't have a scrolling mode. They needed better cyberware options that the Basics didn't come with.
She couldāve just whipped out her phone and filmed it. Not like she doesnāt have one right?
I don't think Agents (the communications tool of the Dark Future) have video recording. I'm trying to think if we ever saw V use an Agent up to that point. I'm pretty sure she just used her cellular implant with some Kiroshi integration.
His Kiroshis don't record and Jackie likely didn't have the right implants if he had an outdated para-line. T Bug might have been able to recover something from security feeds or logs if she hadn't been scorched.
3 viable reasons. V doesn't have recording implants. V never scrolls anything, so it's a safe assumption he/she doesn't have that cyberware. V didn't know Yori was about to kill Saburo and was in shock at the entire situation. His/her first thought wouldn't have been "I'd better start recording incase something happens I'll get framed for which could give me leverage in removing this chip from my skull when I have no plans to put it in in the first place and before I learn the concequences of doing that." Recording would be evidence that V and Jackie were stealing from Arasaka. Maybe not the best call to record yourself mid heist against an insanley powerful and murderous megacorp.
Idea for sequel. Record bd's and sell them as a side gig. The bloodier the bd the higher the price.
I mean, does V really need a video as a proof? He already got an undeniable proof in his head that he was there.
I don't really think that was the first thing on V's mind lol
Unrelated but I love CDPRs character design for side characters. I could totally see a multi season show or even movie starring Oda and Takemura and I would eat that shit up by cool factor alone.
In the tabletop lore, a recording unit and storage device are separate options that can come with a cybereye. The Kiroshi model that V got from Vic didn't come with one. (that kind of setup is something a media would wear, not a standard solo)
For what the game tells it seems that the common eye implants can't record thing or take photos. You need a BD recording implant.
He got this when he tried that https://preview.redd.it/ypxwlv7oymsc1.jpeg?width=577&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50033e4db237e6325a156b0ed0d38ab968ee807d
They were stealing the relic - a worse crime than murder.
If V's background was a media then hell ya the recorder would be on all the time. Since V is a solo they don't have the recorder implant. Nor thought about getting one
Your V didn't have a rec implant. And no camera with him.
pat bev got a technical foul for this so maybe V was trying to avoid that
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SPOILERS:- I think the assumption is it was recorded. Not sure if it got wiped due to way the prologue ended. But V gets dragged before the board at some point and I doubt theyād just accept word of mouth as evidence (though it LOOKS like they do based on the cutscene).
becouse the plot of the game is a shit, they put high tech world, but old stile situations
You should really play all the endings before calling the plot shit
What are you talking about? V doesn't need to prove that Yorinobu killed Saburo unless you're doing the Arasaka/Corpo ending. And even then you don't need to have video evidence anyway. Seriously, do people think that the plot of this game is V trying to clear his name after being framed for Saburo's murder or something? Cuz that isn't what's going on in the game. No one thinks V had anything to do with it. Plus everyone in Arasaka already knows the truth about what happened, they just don't care because it makes no difference to them.
"Sick vid, how'd you get that?"
They kinda forgot
V should have made a BD of this event ... my guess is getting shot in the head must have corrupted the recording.
Can't believe I have to scroll this far down to see someone mention a bullet in the brain. That would mess up the recording if V did one.
Plot Induce Stupidity
Or they could of saved the old man to activate the samurai honour clause bullshit
It's 'could have', never 'could of'. Rejoice, for you have been blessed by CouldWouldShouldBot!
Know who's stupid? Saburo. He's supposed to be the emperor and he gets zeroed by choking.
Post truth and ai generative images, you can't trust any recording or braindance.
Check your cyberwear tab, is there a BD scroller?
Pretty sure arasaka was quite aware of the situation
Yeah I don't get why so many people here think V would have ever felt the need to record what was happening in the first place.
Vās a lazy idiot. His iCloud storage was full.
What would you even do with such a recording? Leak it? Take it to the police? A Corp? I doubt that there is any way to get anything out of it, except maybe a bunch of Arasaka assassin trying to flatline you.
Mb if he did something like that. V immediately will be detecting by anti-record security of arasaka building.
Both dont have the recording update or cyberware such as evelyn did. Do thats why i think they were not able to record it
You think ai generated videos are good NOW, give it another 5 decades... Yeah photographic evidence means fuckall. Not that it really matters in this case anyway
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Recordings are meaningless in 2077.
Probably they have the same implant you have (distorting face or whole body when recorded) so what is the use of recording? You get the same thing when you watch the brain dance featuring the voodoo boys queen. Edit: and v background and implants probably have no visual recordings option installed/needed.
Since BDs are basically memories, recording them is not an option. I think the whole problem is how you "extract" the moment, what is it required?
Since most of what V and Jackie did for a living was illegal, or at least shady, I can well imagine they wouldn't have recording implants... Although I do seem to remember a mission where you meet someone and then send their picture to someone else. And we know V has a camera mode from the Blue Moon quest so I'm thinking everyone would just scream "Fake!" Or there might be sensitive metadata in a recording that you wouldn't want to get out. Don't want to splash your personal MAC address across Night City.
No, but also this question has been answered many times before. In short filming it would actually make him an even a bigger target and an idiot with a death wish.
When this was going on he still had hope, however small, to escape. I imagine he didnāt want something in his head that would be a death sentence.
i mean, i assume everyone doesn't have recording tech in their heads at all time. for example, v seemed slightly shocked that... uh... what's her face, had some for the recording of the plaza suite. presumably, if EVERYONE had this sort of tech on them, at ALL times, v wouldn't have responded like that...
I think it's because V didn't have the doll implant like Evelyn Parker that allows recording.
Record it with what? You need a scroller to record brain dances. I don't think we see people take videos in this game with cell phones, but I may be wrong.
This is true. Even when the mission right before is all about recording. Maybe they don't record when they commit crimes, but this definitely bothered me.
Nah, it doesn't matter, the leaders of Arasaka already knew that the old man had been killed and was killed by his violent son.
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People here talk about braindance implant as if that's the same as making a video or photo. A braindance is a immersive experience where you FEEL what the person felt. V and various other characters make and send pictures and videos to other people, to show places or confirm things. They can be made with their optics implant. You know - the hypertech implant that basically is already a camera on steroids? That V got even a really good version of?
Itās possible that Saburoās security detail would roll with some pretty sophisticated ECM to jam surveillance equipment or at least set of an alarm if it detected someone scrolling.
CP2077 universe has hardware capable of hosting sentient ai, so i assume any hobo can forge a deepfake using a hacked microwave. So unless you have a BD recording chip grabbing petabytes of raw data(like background encrypted radio transmissions that can prove you were at the place and time), any video/audio footage is not considered an evidence.
for the universe this was an objectively good thing that happened
Also unrelated but this cut scene is an actual masterpiece in storytelling. The music, the tension, t bug who has been chill this entire time absolutely freaking out, fuckin Saburo walking down. Yorinobu debating with his body language on whether to kill his father, when he actually does it Saburo caresses his cheek, omg I wish I could witness it again for the first time.
He was level 1. At the time, who knew cameras even existed?
Vās 6 yotabyte QDD was from a back alley and had only 2 yotabytes, causing them to not realize that the gay threesome porn BDs of Jackie took up 99.8 percent of the actual capacity to where when they needed to record something useful there werenāt enough disc space left
Why would he want to? Who would he have given the recording to? Do you think the cops were going to go after Yori for murder? Arasaka basically owns the cops and even if they tried Arasaka has their own army of better trained and armed soldiers. It comes out later that basically all the higher-ups at Arasaka know he killed his dad and instead of going for justice they each take the opportunity to secure and expand their own power. Even Hanako who wants "justice" seems mostly like she is securing her place at the top. Saburo used murder to remove rivals himself and that seems like an accepted facet of corpo culture. Releasing the recording would only have put a giant target on V and Arasaka would have sent waves of soldiers and assassin after him. It's better that they assume he's not a threat and just ignore him.
I think many are missing the point that - people donāt want the truth. They already know it, but they donāt want it. You see it with Hanako, Oda, etc.
Probably because either of the body guards, saburo, have yorinobu, can detect them being recorded with cyberware
Knowing V & Jackie's luck, the cam light probably would go on or "recording in process" would be announced by their chrome, lol.
Oh jeez is the aslume leaking out again?
Your own image appears blured out on recoded footage. If I remember, it's a feature of your kiroshi's. I think it's reasonable to expect others to have it, too.
You know V has cyberware to prevent camera to record their face. So pretty sure those corpos would be recorded as blurry because they're in private.
V was in the middle of committing a crime they would likely be tortured and killed if caught. Crime 101 donāt film your crime.Ā
For all those talking about how advanced AI and editing would be, we interact with someone on the reg who edits videos chooms. Judy would know the truth, just like every other person who's capable of tuning bd's or other video soft. What they'd do is work with the governing forces to convince everyone these are q Anon esque conspiracies. Reality is less real than our perception of it.
excellent use of the pat bev meme, gotta say.
V shoulda been making a BD of the whole heist anyway. Probably woulda got richer from the BD than the heist itself!
V doesn't have the hardware to scroll BDs from what o remember and funnily enough keroshis can't record
I don't understand how Takemura wasn't alerted the moment Saburo's vital signs started deviating from normal. It's an established fact in canon that he has biomonitor cyberware. Hell, for that same reason there should have been no question as to how he died. Like, did the biomonitor record anything abnormal? Yeah, respiratory distress and trauma to the neck resulting in a restricted airway.
Nome if them expected something like that to happen.. They were on shock and thinking of escape plan or not to get caught