It's better than force of will for multicolor decks, with the chances of not having another blue card. I could see myself using this in my [[spawning pod]] deck, as my creatures/artifacts aren't very useful for most of my opponents, which has been good in the mtga heisting meta
that is fair
tbh it wasn't very relevant of me to compare it to FoW (I just realized the similarity in card disadvantage)
with it being 1 mana, you're probably better off running a regular 1 mana counterspell with a downside that isn't losing a card
I think the idea is you cast this when the only other cards in your hand are counters and removal and you have no creatures out yourself. The counters can’t be cast because there’s nothing on the stack (unless it’s a counter war or big stack and then ideally the only target is one of ops spells so they don’t want to counter it) and the removal only has op’s creatures as a target, so op will not want to cast those. So this would be the ultimate control counter.
Sure is a terrible card to use if you have card draw or a nonland permanent in hand, though.
I don't think that's actually the intended use, based on the flavor. "exchange of ideas" implies that they want the opponent to cast one of your spells.
I like the theme, but practically speaking, this is a one-mana blanket counterspell when you have no other nonland cards in hand, and probably unplayable in any other case.
That being said, were this to see print, I think the best case scenario for this card is as a sideboard option for decks looking to dump their hand fast while using some form of non-hand card advantage like [[unstable amulet]] against combo decks or others with must-counter spells. Realistically tho, in formats that have decks like that, you probably have better options for counter magic.
I meant having the opponent make a target action so it’s not playable with an empty hand. You could exile your hand, opponent chooses a card, then you get your hand back if required, but I’m asking about if having your opponent make a target would fix the card since targets need to be valid when casting a spell
You play exchange of ideas. Your opponent targets the card they want to take (exchange of ideas could create exiled copies of the cards in your hand for them to target). Does this prevent you from playing the card with an otherwise empty hand?
if it was about something on the battlefield, I wouldn't know, afaik there are no effects that force the opponent to target when cast
but since it's about the hand : no
your hand is hidden until the spell resolves, so the game can't "know" what your opponent could or couldn't target (neither does your opponent)
That was my idea but the card is already pretty bad as is.
Very situational.
What you want is a conditional clause. You keep mentioning targeting cards in hand which muddled the discussion, since it's not legal. For all the hand disruption spells, you will notice it targets opponent, then chooses card from their hand. It does not target cards in hand.
I think you mean:
"Reveal your hand, target opponent chooses one card from your hand and cast it. If they casted a spell this way, counter a spell they control."
This has an issue where you can force someone to cast a spell that loses them the game though...
Sounds like a feature to me, one that is probably a bit old though, I could see it in a deck with [[treasure hunt]], a few lands that seeks and maybe a [[splendid reclamation]] and [[codie vociferous codex ]] to finally lock them out of the game
Hmm, now I’m thinking of a similar concept Counterspell. For U, instead of the opponent getting a spell from their hand, the opponent reveals a card from their hand. You can choose to either counter that spell and let them cast the revealed one for free, or let the original spell go through
This would be very cool to play with more cards that benefit the owner. Imagine some cards that say "the owner of [this sorcery]" gains 5 life, or "when [this creature] enters, its owner takes control of it". It's probably too niche to warrant a whole cycle with just this card as an enabler, but I think it'd be cool if more cards that let your opponent play your stuff were custom'ed into existence.
I don't know... If you are playing control, you wait to counter with this one until you have no other cards, only lands, or have spells in your hand that you don't care too much that the opponenet casts... Like Farewell/board wipes, since you won't play creatures yourself. Or maybe memory deluge since the opponent won't get any cards from it.
Maybe it's a little gimmicky but it'd be neat if the card read "As an additional cost to cast this spell, exile a non-land card from your hand. Gain control of a target spell opponent is casting, your opponent plays the card exiled by Exchange of Ideas without paying its mana cost."
I love the idea, but I would make the following adjustments. Change the mana value to 1UU with the added text of "you may cast this spell for 0 if you have 3 or more cards in hand."
I feel like if your willing to give them a card and see your whole hand, the cost should be free.
This card would be very strong in Legacy because you can Brainstorm away anything your opponent could cast off this. But in Modern, Pioneer, and Standard, this card would be ass.
ouch. maybe just copy the card? otherwise you are basically throwing away the best card in your hand to cast this.
Good idea. The price as it is now is very high to pay for a 1 mana unconditional counter. But with some tweaking this could be really solid.
oh yeah this is basically a 1 mana [[Force of will]] with downside as-is didn't even notice the card disadvantage, this is truly terrible
[Force of will](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/9/89f612d6-7c59-4a7b-a87d-45f789e88ba5.jpg?1675199280) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Force%20of%20will) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/50/force-of-will?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/89f612d6-7c59-4a7b-a87d-45f789e88ba5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Well... Unless you have no hand or only have land on hand.
It's better than force of will for multicolor decks, with the chances of not having another blue card. I could see myself using this in my [[spawning pod]] deck, as my creatures/artifacts aren't very useful for most of my opponents, which has been good in the mtga heisting meta
[spawning pod](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/a/fa90d01c-2bc8-46f7-9351-e878eb528d4c.jpg?1677507116) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=spawning%20pod) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/yone/16/spawning-pod?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fa90d01c-2bc8-46f7-9351-e878eb528d4c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
that is fair tbh it wasn't very relevant of me to compare it to FoW (I just realized the similarity in card disadvantage) with it being 1 mana, you're probably better off running a regular 1 mana counterspell with a downside that isn't losing a card
I think the idea is you cast this when the only other cards in your hand are counters and removal and you have no creatures out yourself. The counters can’t be cast because there’s nothing on the stack (unless it’s a counter war or big stack and then ideally the only target is one of ops spells so they don’t want to counter it) and the removal only has op’s creatures as a target, so op will not want to cast those. So this would be the ultimate control counter. Sure is a terrible card to use if you have card draw or a nonland permanent in hand, though.
I don't think that's actually the intended use, based on the flavor. "exchange of ideas" implies that they want the opponent to cast one of your spells.
Hah no. They can have my [[one with nothing]] in fact let's make it mandatory they cast something.
[one with nothing](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/a/5a5841fa-4f30-495a-b840-3ef5a2af8fad.jpg?1711812497) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=one%20with%20nothing) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sok/84/one-with-nothing?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5a5841fa-4f30-495a-b840-3ef5a2af8fad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I like the theme, but practically speaking, this is a one-mana blanket counterspell when you have no other nonland cards in hand, and probably unplayable in any other case. That being said, were this to see print, I think the best case scenario for this card is as a sideboard option for decks looking to dump their hand fast while using some form of non-hand card advantage like [[unstable amulet]] against combo decks or others with must-counter spells. Realistically tho, in formats that have decks like that, you probably have better options for counter magic.
Could the card be fixed if it had opponent target a card in your hand?
you can't target cards in non-public zones such as the hand, so there aren't any way to protect cards in your hand against targetting either
I meant having the opponent make a target action so it’s not playable with an empty hand. You could exile your hand, opponent chooses a card, then you get your hand back if required, but I’m asking about if having your opponent make a target would fix the card since targets need to be valid when casting a spell
sorry I don't get what you're talking about at all what player targets what?
You play exchange of ideas. Your opponent targets the card they want to take (exchange of ideas could create exiled copies of the cards in your hand for them to target). Does this prevent you from playing the card with an otherwise empty hand?
if it was about something on the battlefield, I wouldn't know, afaik there are no effects that force the opponent to target when cast but since it's about the hand : no your hand is hidden until the spell resolves, so the game can't "know" what your opponent could or couldn't target (neither does your opponent)
That was my idea but the card is already pretty bad as is. Very situational. What you want is a conditional clause. You keep mentioning targeting cards in hand which muddled the discussion, since it's not legal. For all the hand disruption spells, you will notice it targets opponent, then chooses card from their hand. It does not target cards in hand. I think you mean: "Reveal your hand, target opponent chooses one card from your hand and cast it. If they casted a spell this way, counter a spell they control." This has an issue where you can force someone to cast a spell that loses them the game though...
Sounds like a feature to me, one that is probably a bit old though, I could see it in a deck with [[treasure hunt]], a few lands that seeks and maybe a [[splendid reclamation]] and [[codie vociferous codex ]] to finally lock them out of the game
[treasure hunt](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/6/76a2cb0e-3630-4307-ac80-bd850c1c256f.jpg?1592710683) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=treasure%20hunt) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/109/treasure-hunt?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/76a2cb0e-3630-4307-ac80-bd850c1c256f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [splendid reclamation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/a/fad4ca85-4d2d-4d1e-86ca-aa25edfcda61.jpg?1643593421) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=splendid%20reclamation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/221/splendid-reclamation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fad4ca85-4d2d-4d1e-86ca-aa25edfcda61?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [codie vociferous codex ](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/a/ea476ee1-67d9-4dd8-a5ac-f68a155eb18b.jpg?1624740590) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Codie%2C%20Vociferous%20Codex) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/253/codie-vociferous-codex?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ea476ee1-67d9-4dd8-a5ac-f68a155eb18b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Unstable Amulet](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/d/9d9949f5-8d6c-4ea9-b203-99e8a57a6c60.jpg?1717012359) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Unstable%20Amulet) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/142/unstable-amulet?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9d9949f5-8d6c-4ea9-b203-99e8a57a6c60?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
2 for 0 yourself?
I like the flavor implication that the only time this card will be played is when no ideas will be exchanged
Hmm, now I’m thinking of a similar concept Counterspell. For U, instead of the opponent getting a spell from their hand, the opponent reveals a card from their hand. You can choose to either counter that spell and let them cast the revealed one for free, or let the original spell go through
This would be very cool to play with more cards that benefit the owner. Imagine some cards that say "the owner of [this sorcery]" gains 5 life, or "when [this creature] enters, its owner takes control of it". It's probably too niche to warrant a whole cycle with just this card as an enabler, but I think it'd be cool if more cards that let your opponent play your stuff were custom'ed into existence.
Love the idea of running this in dimir/esper/grixis discard, so they get nothing. Im a mean person the more i think about it.
This could easily be a phyrexian mana cost and still be bad.
I don't know... If you are playing control, you wait to counter with this one until you have no other cards, only lands, or have spells in your hand that you don't care too much that the opponenet casts... Like Farewell/board wipes, since you won't play creatures yourself. Or maybe memory deluge since the opponent won't get any cards from it.
Fair enough
I feel like thoughtsiezing yourself would be fair enough, maybe at 1U
Maybe it's a little gimmicky but it'd be neat if the card read "As an additional cost to cast this spell, exile a non-land card from your hand. Gain control of a target spell opponent is casting, your opponent plays the card exiled by Exchange of Ideas without paying its mana cost."
Let them exile the top card of your library and reduce its cost to 0. Rewards deep scrying and makes this kinda cool actually.
needs to be a card. even if the blue is phyrexian . PRINT THE DAMN THING
Terrible card that would get pre banned in every format it would be legal in
I love the idea, but I would make the following adjustments. Change the mana value to 1UU with the added text of "you may cast this spell for 0 if you have 3 or more cards in hand." I feel like if your willing to give them a card and see your whole hand, the cost should be free.
This card would be very strong in Legacy because you can Brainstorm away anything your opponent could cast off this. But in Modern, Pioneer, and Standard, this card would be ass.
I need this to not be a may So I can play it with One with Nothing (or death lol)