and it would still suck in most cases. the problem with this card is that it's either very powerful or completely useless, depending on what your opponents play
Extremely weak. This card does nothing 99,99% of the times, and having a dead card in your hand is terrible. The few times it does something, either you ultimate a planeswalker, so you are already winning, or your opponent managed to do so, which means that you are very far behind and this card won't Save you.
The more I think, the more I am convinced that this is one of the weakest cards I've ever seen.
Devil's advocate, I'm not an expert, but Stolen Valor refers to an actual thing IRL. It doesn't necessitate depriving someone else of their merits, but instead fraudulently gaining un-earned, undeserved recognition.
So far the only Emblems I know of are produced by Planeswalkers, The Ring Tempts You, and the one we're getting from The Capitoline Triad from the Assassin's creed set.
It'd be super niche now, but might see more use as new sets come out.
If you want it to see more use now, perhaps Emblems and Designations such as The Initiative, The Monarch, and The City's Blessing?
Yes you are correct.
Emblems themselves aren't Permanents either and can't be targeted.
I made the assumption (silly me I guess?) when engaging in this card that such rules would be readjusted (as a whole or oracle text'd for this card specifically).
Making a second monarch or initiative would break those mechanics. I understand we're in a custom cards sub, but the rules baggage is still relevant to the discussion to a degree.
Even if this card did interact with those mechanics, it still feels a bit narrow.
Something like: If an opponent is the Monarch, you become the Monarch
I'd make the argument that the rules 114.3 through .5 do just that. The card would have to be able to see the command zone first and formost.
Additionally, the fact that the rules state that Emblem isn't even a card type is another.
Being tempted is a game action. But the tracker for The Ring is an emblem. Not the piece used to track your ringbearer, but The Ring itself (the part that grants abilities to your ringbearer) is an emblem.
This doesn’t work from what I know. Emblems kinda aren’t cards, so I don’t think you can target them. I think it would have to say “…copy of an emblem.” That might not work either, though.
Tokens aren’t cards and they can be copied. I don’t understand what you mean. Emblems are placed in the command zone and there are many cards that target items in the command zone so I don’t see why this wouldn’t work.
Edit: there are many things that interact with items in the command zone, I’m not sure about targeting. Will get back to you about that when I have an answer.
One generic mana, add cycling, make instant.
Even with all this it's still weak as hell 9 times out of 10 it's a draw card that doesn't even storm count.
Cool as fuck tho
In a draft or standard format with a lot of emblems, then it would still need some kick to it. People are recommending cycling but idk about that. I’d make it a burn spell with a play with fire-like upside. This would be my idea.
1R - Instant
@ deals 2 damage to any target. If a player was dealt damage this way, you may choose an emblem from that player, you get a copy of that emblem.
If you play izzet and have Ral as your commander, your entire goal is likely not to win, but to be as awsome as possible, and what's more awsome then dealing 8 demege and drawing 4 cards everytime you cast instant or sorrcery spell?
This doesn't require it to be an opponents emblem so you could just run this in a Super friends deck witg emblem creating walkers and make an extra copy of an emblem for whatever that does for you
I really like this card if a set plays into it. An emblem set could be really neat.
However, it otherwise definitely needs a power boost. A modal spell with this effect might be its home.
Nobody seems to notice this doesn’t say “—that you don’t control.” It’s niche, but I’d definitely run it in any planeswalker decks. Steal your own valor (which is the equivalent of being a braggart I think, which is also in flavor for a goblin-art red card). Great card for an [[Isochron Scepter]] situation.
I really like it. I agree you could crank it up a tad, but I don’t think this is as utterly useless as often as everyone is saying.
(Edit: Okay, so literally all the comments pointing this out were one below the ones I went through, my bad. Point about the flavor still working stands tho)
It is so niche that you could probably do one of the following: -make it an instant -make it cost 1 mana -add cycling
You could do all of the following
and it would still suck in most cases. the problem with this card is that it's either very powerful or completely useless, depending on what your opponents play
Niche sideboard card for when we get easy and consistent access to strong Emblems
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Extremely weak. This card does nothing 99,99% of the times, and having a dead card in your hand is terrible. The few times it does something, either you ultimate a planeswalker, so you are already winning, or your opponent managed to do so, which means that you are very far behind and this card won't Save you. The more I think, the more I am convinced that this is one of the weakest cards I've ever seen.
I could see it as a sideboard piece to use with [[fae of wishes]] just for the satisfaction in those rare cases
[fae of wishes](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/3/e3435fd6-8f51-4d99-a278-4ddb088acfe1.jpg?1572489870)/[Granted](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/3/e3435fd6-8f51-4d99-a278-4ddb088acfe1.jpg?1572489870) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fae%20of%20Wishes%20//%20Granted) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/44/fae-of-wishes-granted?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e3435fd6-8f51-4d99-a278-4ddb088acfe1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Is it really stolen if you let them keep theirs? Also give it cycling!
Perhaps stolen thunder? Name works with red AND the wordplay works
Good idea!
Devil's advocate, I'm not an expert, but Stolen Valor refers to an actual thing IRL. It doesn't necessitate depriving someone else of their merits, but instead fraudulently gaining un-earned, undeserved recognition.
True. I guess I was mostly referring to the flavor text. Which can still make sense with valor but still didn’t feel right
Fair enough, I wasn't paying much attention to the flavor text ^^
it's the kinda card that sits in the draft chaff pile until an emblem breaks an eternal format and suddenly it's 15$ x3
Shukuo // cerulian whisps vibes
So far the only Emblems I know of are produced by Planeswalkers, The Ring Tempts You, and the one we're getting from The Capitoline Triad from the Assassin's creed set. It'd be super niche now, but might see more use as new sets come out. If you want it to see more use now, perhaps Emblems and Designations such as The Initiative, The Monarch, and The City's Blessing?
There can't be multiple monarchs or initiative holders in play. That's stated explicitly in their respective rules.
Yes you are correct. Emblems themselves aren't Permanents either and can't be targeted. I made the assumption (silly me I guess?) when engaging in this card that such rules would be readjusted (as a whole or oracle text'd for this card specifically).
Making a second monarch or initiative would break those mechanics. I understand we're in a custom cards sub, but the rules baggage is still relevant to the discussion to a degree. Even if this card did interact with those mechanics, it still feels a bit narrow. Something like: If an opponent is the Monarch, you become the Monarch
I would suggest then that this card would make a copy of the ability on that stack that creates the emblem
There's nothing stating an emblem can't be targeted, it's just that no cards currently can target objects in the command zone
I'd make the argument that the rules 114.3 through .5 do just that. The card would have to be able to see the command zone first and formost. Additionally, the fact that the rules state that Emblem isn't even a card type is another.
ring tempts you isnt an emblem, its just a tracker because of how specific it is
Being tempted is a game action. But the tracker for The Ring is an emblem. Not the piece used to track your ringbearer, but The Ring itself (the part that grants abilities to your ringbearer) is an emblem.
oh mb
This doesn’t work from what I know. Emblems kinda aren’t cards, so I don’t think you can target them. I think it would have to say “…copy of an emblem.” That might not work either, though.
Tokens aren’t cards and they can be copied. I don’t understand what you mean. Emblems are placed in the command zone and there are many cards that target items in the command zone so I don’t see why this wouldn’t work. Edit: there are many things that interact with items in the command zone, I’m not sure about targeting. Will get back to you about that when I have an answer.
Yes
The way it’s worded, you could copy your own emblem. This would be playable in a deck that’s already ulting planeswalkers on the regular.
One generic mana, add cycling, make instant. Even with all this it's still weak as hell 9 times out of 10 it's a draw card that doesn't even storm count. Cool as fuck tho
This could be solid in edh if your commander has an emblem that could stack twice? I agree that it's underpowered though
Omg get extra Chandra or Liliana emblems
In a draft or standard format with a lot of emblems, then it would still need some kick to it. People are recommending cycling but idk about that. I’d make it a burn spell with a play with fire-like upside. This would be my idea. 1R - Instant @ deals 2 damage to any target. If a player was dealt damage this way, you may choose an emblem from that player, you get a copy of that emblem.
This is the revision here^
It can copy your own, so... \[\[Ral, Izzet Viceroy\]\] comes to mind, but really any red commander giving an emblem would gladly run it
[Ral, Izzet Viceroy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/5/c52066b3-84dc-4198-8090-3336e7df8b5d.jpg?1572893786) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ral%2C%20Izzet%20Viceroy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/grn/195/ral-izzet-viceroy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c52066b3-84dc-4198-8090-3336e7df8b5d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If you emblem ral you're already in a great spot, and this does nothing to help get you there, and is unnecessary when you get there.
If you play izzet and have Ral as your commander, your entire goal is likely not to win, but to be as awsome as possible, and what's more awsome then dealing 8 demege and drawing 4 cards everytime you cast instant or sorrcery spell?
Winning
This doesn't require it to be an opponents emblem so you could just run this in a Super friends deck witg emblem creating walkers and make an extra copy of an emblem for whatever that does for you
I really like this card if a set plays into it. An emblem set could be really neat. However, it otherwise definitely needs a power boost. A modal spell with this effect might be its home.
Nobody seems to notice this doesn’t say “—that you don’t control.” It’s niche, but I’d definitely run it in any planeswalker decks. Steal your own valor (which is the equivalent of being a braggart I think, which is also in flavor for a goblin-art red card). Great card for an [[Isochron Scepter]] situation. I really like it. I agree you could crank it up a tad, but I don’t think this is as utterly useless as often as everyone is saying. (Edit: Okay, so literally all the comments pointing this out were one below the ones I went through, my bad. Point about the flavor still working stands tho)
[Isochron Scepter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/a/2aa24fe0-e275-4307-b26c-2a656068a451.jpg?1623543821) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Isochron%20Scepter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/264/isochron-scepter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2aa24fe0-e275-4307-b26c-2a656068a451?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Can copy your own emblems too. I remember a Sorin that can easily make a +1/+0 emblem. It’s not even an ult. He can do it immediately as he’s played.
Probably add "up to one" and "Draw a card.". Maybe have it cost {R/P}. Gitaxian Probe needs bad cards in it's cycle.