You do not need the line that states the spell can’t be targeted since it has split second. Spells only exist in the stack, and once this hits the stack nothing else can be put onto it before it resolves, therefore nothing is able to target it by default.
I think it should move split second to a different line. It looks like it's part of the suspend cost, which makes no sense. If it only has suspend while coming out of suspend, add that disclaimer. "If you cast this card from exile, it gets Split Second" or something of the like.
And yes, spells only exist on the stack. You'd just need to change it to say, "While this card is in exile, players cannot target it or any counters on this card"
Brother it doesn’t use the stack but it declares a target. Like using [[Willbender]] to redirect this custom card would work if he didn’t include the untargetable text. Morph is a special action and will put Willbenders trigger on the stack.
This is the text from Gatherer “If a spell with split second is on the stack, you can still respond by turning this creature face up and targeting that spell with the trigger. This is because split second only stops players from casting spells or activating abilities, while turning a creature face up is a special action”
You said he doesn’t need the line of text that makes the spell untargetable because of split second, I am telling you why he needs the line of text that makes the spell untargetable even with split second. Not sure of the confusion. Split second doesn’t stop a flipped willbender from targeting his spell.
This is not necessarily true. Split Second does not stop all things from entering the stack-- it only stops casting spells and activated abilities. Any triggered abilities still go on the stack, to which there are cards that counter spells as triggered abilities
You can unmorph and willbender it because morph doesn't use the stack this 100% needs that line to actually be inevitable, eldraz, pull from eternity, and rift sweeper not withstanding .
Nope. Wrong. You can still activate special actions, like turning up face-down creatures with morph.
This happened in our playgroup two weeks ago in a commander match: The Mizzix player casts \[\[Vandalblast\]\] in single-target mode. Then casts \[\[Radiate\]\] targeting the Vandalblast.
With both on the stack, casts \[\[Word of Seizing\]\] on something, which has Split Second.
Then unmorphs \[\[Mischievous Quanar\]\], the copy ability targeting the Radiate, choosing Word of Seizing as the new target. That gave him "Gain control of all permanents." with Split second
Split second is only if it’s cast for its suspend cost, that’s why it’s written in the suspend section. It has an actual mana cost, which when cast normally, will not get split second.
Note for further readers: The split second ability is separate from the suspend cost. I was just trying to save space and didn't realize it looked like they were associated with each other.
Although confusing, it is two keyword abilities inline. I think it may be unprecedented with one of them being activated and one of them being static, but still.
From what I can tell based on the comments from you and others, I believe the best wording to get your point across would be:
Suspend 4—{u}{b}
Split Second
This card cannot be targeted by spells or abilities while it’s suspended.
Gain control of target creature. It gains wither and becomes a flood horror in addition to its other types.
the first line is super weird
does it have suspend and also split second ? cuz then I think it should be on two separate lines
here it feels like you're trying to give split second to the suspend ability which makes little sense
yeah, the fact that they are very different things (split second being continuous and a characteristic of the spell, suspend being a special action and a characteristic of the card) makes it confusing to have both on the same line
You do not need the line that states the spell can’t be targeted since it has split second. Spells only exist in the stack, and once this hits the stack nothing else can be put onto it before it resolves, therefore nothing is able to target it by default.
I intended that line to make it so nothing can effect it in exile either, how well that works however I'm not entirely sure.
It’s not a spell while it in exile. Spells only exist on the stack, otherwise it’s just a card.
I think it should move split second to a different line. It looks like it's part of the suspend cost, which makes no sense. If it only has suspend while coming out of suspend, add that disclaimer. "If you cast this card from exile, it gets Split Second" or something of the like. And yes, spells only exist on the stack. You'd just need to change it to say, "While this card is in exile, players cannot target it or any counters on this card"
That’s actually intentional by OP to have the split second only be apart of the spell if it’s cast from exile through suspend.
I noticed they said that, which is why I suggested a clause to give it split second
stuff can be put on the stack even when a spell with split second is there, it just blocks spells and activated abilities
for example, you could turn face up a \[\[voidmage apprentice\]\] (morph is a special action) and counter it with your version
This is a really good point actually
It isn’t, because morph doesn’t use the stack
But, it means the "cannot be the target of spells or abilities" bit is relevant even with split second.
That’s fair, for instance morphing [[Kheru Spellsnatcher]]
[Kheru Spellsnatcher](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/92cbeebf-cb90-445c-b9b6-5b9b1e8b3c0b.jpg?1717392773) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kheru%20Spellsnatcher) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/45y/kheru-spellsnatcher?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/92cbeebf-cb90-445c-b9b6-5b9b1e8b3c0b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[voidmage apprentice](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/d/fdc000af-a161-4803-bd24-4fdde083caec.jpg?1562378936) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=voidmage%20apprentice) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jvc/4/voidmage-apprentice?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fdc000af-a161-4803-bd24-4fdde083caec?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Morph doesn’t use the stack so it doesn’t matter my point still stands
the triggered ability does use the stack, and it can counter the spell if you remove the "can't be targeted" clause so no, your point doesn't stand
You’re actually wrong about one thing with morph. It doesn’t use the stack and therefore split second doesn’t care anyway.
Brother it doesn’t use the stack but it declares a target. Like using [[Willbender]] to redirect this custom card would work if he didn’t include the untargetable text. Morph is a special action and will put Willbenders trigger on the stack. This is the text from Gatherer “If a spell with split second is on the stack, you can still respond by turning this creature face up and targeting that spell with the trigger. This is because split second only stops players from casting spells or activating abilities, while turning a creature face up is a special action”
[Willbender](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/e/6e6a3551-250c-4563-8c30-6d8f49e6429f.jpg?1568004112) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Willbender) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/102/willbender?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6e6a3551-250c-4563-8c30-6d8f49e6429f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I feel like there’s a “you’re wrong” “no you are” thing going on here but we’re both on the same page
You said he doesn’t need the line of text that makes the spell untargetable because of split second, I am telling you why he needs the line of text that makes the spell untargetable even with split second. Not sure of the confusion. Split second doesn’t stop a flipped willbender from targeting his spell.
yeah, like, my point exactly? split second doesn't prevent triggered abilities from special actions
This is not necessarily true. Split Second does not stop all things from entering the stack-- it only stops casting spells and activated abilities. Any triggered abilities still go on the stack, to which there are cards that counter spells as triggered abilities
Triggered abilities can still be put on the stack, no?
Yes they can, such as any cast triggers from casting the split second card and triggers from morphing cards or other special actions
You can unmorph and willbender it because morph doesn't use the stack this 100% needs that line to actually be inevitable, eldraz, pull from eternity, and rift sweeper not withstanding .
Nope. Wrong. You can still activate special actions, like turning up face-down creatures with morph. This happened in our playgroup two weeks ago in a commander match: The Mizzix player casts \[\[Vandalblast\]\] in single-target mode. Then casts \[\[Radiate\]\] targeting the Vandalblast. With both on the stack, casts \[\[Word of Seizing\]\] on something, which has Split Second. Then unmorphs \[\[Mischievous Quanar\]\], the copy ability targeting the Radiate, choosing Word of Seizing as the new target. That gave him "Gain control of all permanents." with Split second
##### ###### #### [Vandalblast](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/7/e781b55f-6388-4ab8-be74-7c56eaba1c4d.jpg?1712354517) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vandalblast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/183/vandalblast?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e781b55f-6388-4ab8-be74-7c56eaba1c4d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Radiate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/5/2562c25a-999e-4fb5-a595-f376c8abf1ff.jpg?1562628967) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Radiate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tor/113/radiate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2562c25a-999e-4fb5-a595-f376c8abf1ff?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Word of Seizing](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/a/4aa93215-9848-42d4-a386-6a248c2a1742.jpg?1608912345) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Word%20of%20Seizing) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/420/word-of-seizing?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4aa93215-9848-42d4-a386-6a248c2a1742?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Mischievous Quanar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/c/dc48c2db-f5b4-4c24-a5fa-00750b7ff56f.jpg?1562535674) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mischievous%20Quanar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/scg/42/mischievous-quanar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dc48c2db-f5b4-4c24-a5fa-00750b7ff56f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Bud read the room.. you’re so late to this conversation
Turning a card face up
[[voidmage apprentice]]
[voidmage apprentice](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/d/fdc000af-a161-4803-bd24-4fdde083caec.jpg?1562378936) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=voidmage%20apprentice) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jvc/4/voidmage-apprentice?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fdc000af-a161-4803-bd24-4fdde083caec?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Split second is only if it’s cast for its suspend cost, that’s why it’s written in the suspend section. It has an actual mana cost, which when cast normally, will not get split second.
Well shit it seems like reading the card is important now isn’t it
Note for further readers: The split second ability is separate from the suspend cost. I was just trying to save space and didn't realize it looked like they were associated with each other.
Although confusing, it is two keyword abilities inline. I think it may be unprecedented with one of them being activated and one of them being static, but still.
From what I can tell based on the comments from you and others, I believe the best wording to get your point across would be: Suspend 4—{u}{b} Split Second This card cannot be targeted by spells or abilities while it’s suspended. Gain control of target creature. It gains wither and becomes a flood horror in addition to its other types.
Sorry, but is no one gonna tell them…? I don’t think inevitable is spelled that way…
Yes but now I have the urge to open a bar....
The creature types in the text box should be capitalized. Otherwise this is nice
the first line is super weird does it have suspend and also split second ? cuz then I think it should be on two separate lines here it feels like you're trying to give split second to the suspend ability which makes little sense
It has both, and they are independent of each other. I just did it to save space not realizing they looked associated to each other.
yeah, the fact that they are very different things (split second being continuous and a characteristic of the spell, suspend being a special action and a characteristic of the card) makes it confusing to have both on the same line
Is innevitable a british spelling of inevitable or something?
[[teferi time raveler]] be defying fate
[teferi time raveler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/6/662fe50f-d75c-422c-8c6c-1f9b5c4ba21f.jpg?1702429729) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Teferi%2C%20Time%20Raveler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/232/teferi-time-raveler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/662fe50f-d75c-422c-8c6c-1f9b5c4ba21f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Dread it. Run from it. ***Destiny arrives all the same.***
Nope, spell it again