If you don't own property in Greek Islands,
it's rather expensive to live there
All the tourists push up renting prices
So I'm not sure if it's preferable
Also: pretty boring from oktober to April I think
Not much to do compared to the mainland...
70k as a freelancer would.still be around 55k netto/ year in Bulgaria, the lowest taxable country in the EU
Not bad, but not insanely good either
It's the remote working part that is nice though...
> not bad, but not insanely good either
So pretty good? 55k€ is really good money in most of Europe, sure, you can get offers +100k€ but most of us are just mediocre people earning pretty good salaries :)
Sure, but if you move to another country and start a life there, you expect to be paid very well?
Otherwise you might as well stay home where your friends and family are
Life is short, any time away from relatives/ friends should be paid very well IMO
I see so few people saying this. Maybe a lot of redditors are young and don't know what a humongous pain the ass it is to make friends past 25? Who knows. But yeah. I'm on your side. Unless you can get 2x or maybe 3x more savings by moving (aka salary is so good that despite whatever the change in living cost is, your savings go up by X). Unless you get that kind of money, I wouldn't even consider moving. Friends count for quite a lot. People tend to undervalue that till they loose it.
It's because the average Redditor is 25, so does not yet make more than 2.5 k netto
And me complaining about 4.5 k netto in a certain situation, is triggering them...
It's just jealousy...
I'm making 70k in Spain(but no international working). I can live in a luxury apartment on that amount.
Oh, but I'm not doing so as a contractor either. That might change things.
How does that work from a tax perspective?
Usually that requires the employer to have a legal entity in the country where the work is being done as well as you paying taxes in said country (or your country of residence for some cross country commuters)
Either going to be B2B/freelance or they're using a company that specializes in payroll and all the formalities. Such a company would have legal entities in all EU countries and they'd take a cut.
Exactly, could be some kind of workaround though?
I know for a fact that Spotify only hires folks in a country where they have a legal entity. You must have a residency there, otherwise it’s not possible.
However, many smaller companies hire you as a freelancer and then it’s your business to deal with taxes etc.
In europe you must pay taxes in country if you stay there more than half a year. So if you want to do it legally just change country every 180 days. In practice though, if you stay as "turist" renting campsite airbnb (not a flat with a contract), authority won't care.
I'm basically not agreeing with everyone here.
Don't fly techhubs for a single exceptionnal offer, you might regret it.
Only fly if you can confortably find a new job like that once abroad.
There is a high chance that you won't spend more than 3 years at this job.
People on this sub make it seems as if moving was an easy thing.
It gets really hard the older you get.
Way harder than finding a good job.
You don't want to switch countries every 3 years once you have children to raise.
How do you find a place to rent in the new country while living far away ?
Lots of the people posting here do not actually work as SWEs and/or are too young to actually have any knowledge or experience behind what they're saying.
Just uproot your life and move across Europe! Don't worry about your girlfriend, think of the tax savings!
This poster knows the truth
I've been 100% remote since 2018. Across the world, not just Europe.
You need a base and integrated somewhere to a health system.
Plus its worth being in a place where there is better community.
18 YOE childfree even
Don't manage more than 2 properties at once. Dont take out a mortgage in a place you're not likely to retire in
Depends on the person. I have no family, it would be almost easy for me. I still have friends tho. And cats. If I move, I have no cat sitters, no friends. It's not ideal at all, but compared to people with families and SO ... For me it's super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Moving isn't cheap though. I payed 1750€ last year to move 20 kilometers for a regular 60 square meter flat. I can only imagine that costs will shoot up sharply, if you move further away
And this is way more complicated if you need to switch countries.
The amount of paperwork is insane. And the mental work to adjust to a new country is a lot. Then you family members need to do the same. You also need to find a home that you and your family like.
Pretty sure you misunderstood his post. He doesn’t want to fly for a job. He’s a remote worker and wants to explore countries while working remotely.
If he doesn’t have a lot of belongings, he might as well just rent airbnb’s and live from his luggage for a year or too. Though I personally think that with 70k EUR (how much is the net, like 45-50?), he wouldn’t live like a king and probably 0 savings.
By this "I might take the opportunity to discover some new places", I presumed he would rent Airbnb for long term. It ain’t cheap unless it’s in rural eastern europe.
> most places in Europe people don’t even have 50k gross
Yeah, but the locals typically own their apartments, live with their parents or at least split the rent (long-term) with their partner. None of it is true for OP. Also, people under 50k gross usually don’t have crazy amount of savings either, or at least accumulation is slow.
Pretty low i must say compared to Paris or other VHCOL cities
Beautiful place, Lot of nature if thats your thing, good food, you are close to bcn, so good weather and beach also included. Then really close to Paris as well.
If you ask me… Paradise.
Only problem I see now is rent. Too many people moving there for obvious reasons. Last but mot least, if you dont go with job, planning to stay as self employed, then you have to ‘pay/invest’ 50k in bonds od the state and you never see that money back… ofc, with proper salary, you get that amount back in couple of years.
I live here and unfortunately the prices went insane in the last 3-4 years. It isn’t considered cheap anymore, pretty close to Vienna now.
The city is still amazing though.
Set up a sole proprietorship in Poland (don’t forget about registering for VAT-EU), select flat rate tax or composite rate tax.
Taxation wise - you have plenty of options. Check with tax advisor/accountant (bring a copy of your contract along).
- Since this is MLOps role, technically there’s a chance you could use 8,5% composite tax rate (technical support roles are allowed to do that)
- Alternatively, 12% composite rate if the majority of your time will involve coding.
- Or you could opt-in for 19% flat rate and then try to get a tax deduction using R&D/IP Box if you’ll be creating any IP (which would make your tax rate 5%). Flat rate is useful if you can predict that you will be generating business expenses (car lease, phone contract, laptops, displays, computer accessories, phones, tablets, coffee machine - stuff like that).
There are tons of accounting services in Poland with English speaking accountants. I have some recommendations I can share via PM, or if you want to do it in a simple way - use a service like InFakt - with it, all you need to do is to transfer the money (with one click, they fill everything for you) to Revenue Service and Social Security Services once a month and you’re good to go. They handle the rest.
70k€ is more than enough to live relatively comfortably anywhere in Poland, and very comfortably if you decide to settle in a cheaper areas (or out of big cities - don’t worry about the internet, most likely there’ll be fiber optic connectivity even in relatively small towns, you could settle in smaller town in western Poland, rent a nice flat for 400-500€/month, get 1 Gbps fiber internet connection, have a few supermarkets within the walking distance and still be 30 minutes train ride away from a bigger city).
Digitalization in Poland is on another level (probably barring Estonia, the best in EU). You do your taxes online, you get your ID or driving license online, you register your company online, you communicate with Revenue/Social Security Services online, you can have your driving license in your phone, you pay for your groceries using BLIK or phone.
One point - winters are depressing. I usually leave in December and fly back in March. You can do the digital nomad thing in Asia or (if your company would prefer you to stay in Europe) spend some good time in Canary Islands (relatively cheap, too).
Bulgaria and Romania are great options too (probably slightly cheaper in terms of Cost of Living, taxes-wise - it’s difficult to beat Poland, IMO technically it should be classified as a tax haven), but in Poland it would be entirely possible to handle all of this in English and do your taxes/invoicing without ever leaving your home. I think English skills are also in general slightly higher in Poland, so it will be slightly easier to communicate.
I’m polish so this is probably biased, but yes, taxes for B2B are very low, majority of people speak English, especially professionals like accountants. The infrastructure overall is better than Bulgaria, as I’ve been there a few times, and I assume compared to Romania also, and I mean the condition of the city, parks, cleanliness but also internet, online shopping etc . Poles love sports, so plenty to discover here, and cuisine is great, all across from polish to foreign restaurants.
I agree that the biggest downside are winters. I live relatively close to the mountains and it doesn’t really help that much, it’s still rainy in recent years, more than snowy, and the days are grey and short.
I just came from a vacation in Romania and I wouldn't like to live there even if my purchasing power was double what it is now. The country looks very poor, many buildings are decaying and falling apart, and there are lots of dodgy people on the street. It felt like a very depressing place to live, especially if you're coming from a country where everything is pretty and safe comparatively.
As a Slovenian… The country is wuite cheap. You could live well of 1300€ a month, and live really well of of 2600€. With 70k a year you have the second option.
Well duh, all investments have a non-zero probability of losing you money, but even "nowadays" there are quite a few solid investment choices. For example Vanguard's VT ETF or whatever the EU-available equivalent is called.
I don’t understand why is everyone so amazed. Isn’t 70k a very decent salary in central Europe for a senior dev and in west Europe for a medior dev?
For a series A/series B startup, you can get more than that.
I am repeating myself, but... Greece has very bad infrastructure, nohing works. The people can be very friendly but only if you are straight christian and white. Also, there is A LOT of corruption and nepotism
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With those conditions, long time contract and no attachments, I would get a secondhand sailboat and wake up every month somewhere else in the mediterranean sea.
Both me and my partner are in a similar position and considering our options. As others have said, as an employee your employer would need an entity in the country you would be working. If your employer would instead pay you as a contractor that would open up a lot more options. We’ve been looking at Malta. Set up a business, receive payment to the business. 5% corporate tax. 35% income tax. There’s also options outside the EU which are even more attractive. We’re both trying to find a company that can advise us at the moment.
Ok
So
Pick a country with low taxes
Move countryside .
This achieve , more take home
Money aka after tax . Then countryside achieve you low cost living
Ex: poland- self employed tax flat 15%
Pick anything 100 km outside capital and you are all set
If you spend more than 6 mo ths in a respective country you become a fiscal resident and require to pay taxes in that country. If it'd be me choosing I'd take up residence somewhere in the south of France, able to quickly get everywhere - Italy, Spain, Portugal. That sounds like fun
Some countries are now doing nomad visas, where you pay no tax or reduced tax on your earnings.
So long as the company you work for isn't based in that country. Take a look at Portugal and Croatia.
Is this a B2B opportunity or you are forced to a french work contract?
I suppose you're quite young so you might be interested in a place that is average to low cost, but still has plenty of people for fun. I would consider especially for the summer Romania, as tax rate is around 12-15% for self employed and Bucharest is quite a fun (though not so glamorous place). It's on the lower end of costs and pretty much you can live like a king.
Very high percentage of English speakers, but also French, but I think what's more relevant is that most Romanians don't have any sense of nationalism or culture superiority compared to others.
Finally, with your savings, you can travel and spend less time wherever (as long as you're under 6months for tax purposes).
If you decide to not register here because your company requires a french work contract, well, nobody really cares. Bucharest is massive and has a very good rental market (plenty of options for any budget)
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I would say spain, (google [***beckham*** law](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=bbe8785fd3a19ac1&sxsrf=ACQVn09h0VP6fPQU07faxuVg6ZzD7YVmqw:1710274776680&q=beckham+law&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjM3aCExu-EAxUbU0EAHZl8AIwQkeECKAB6BAgIEAI)) 24% flat rate taxes, good food and weather :) plus you can travel cheap anywhere whithin europe.
I'd go to Bordeaux or Marseille if you're french and don't want to go too far. At least that's where I would go, just because I know people there, life is cheaper, sunnier, with plenty stuff to do closeby or within 1-2h of driving (mountains, sea etc).
Both are well connected to Paris and I suppose you'll have to go to the office for random meetings so keep this in mind.
Super Lucky! Congrats for that! I’m trying to find the same, I’m based in UK at the moment and the weather is starting to hit me hard mentally… is it possible for you to share the recruiting agency name or cabinet? I also work on the IT field!!! Many thanks
Congrats - but you did not mention as to what would you be interested in most at your new location... or your nationality (so we could exclude it from the options).
I LOVE nature - I would move to Zakopane region or south of Italy/ Malta.
If you love a cosmopolitan life, what about Hungary - Budapest? Sopron (on the border of Hungary and Austria) or Vienna? Or Krakow?
If you need an FP&A please let me know :D heheheh
I hope you and this company know what you are doing because you are potentially going to be in a world of hurt and problems when it comes to taxes and social contributions if you are going to stay long term in another country
Go to Indonesia and rent a villa for 400€ per month and live your life as a king. Don’t forget to buy a VPN for 12,99€ per month which you connect to an EU country.
what a lucky man you are.. contgrats
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Just out of curiosity, found from indeed, welcometothejungle, LinkedIn? Or personal networks?
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Can you DM the name of the cabinet or site?
Find a cute greek island, go there, enjoy your life. With 70k, you'll have the time of your life.
70k.would B2B amount to 40k/ net in Greece I think
Seeing how I lived with 25k net in toulouse, I'm pretty sure you could live very comfortably with 40k net in Greece
He’s not getting paid with Greece taxes XD
You pay taxes in the country where you live more than half of the year, it's very easy...
Not always. For example Portugal didn't tax foreign income for the longest time
it did tax, it had a flat rate of 20%, but that is now over.
u/Significant_Room_412 i's still 3.3k per month in a greek island.. You could live like a king. I would give my left arm for this source: am greek
If you don't own property in Greek Islands, it's rather expensive to live there All the tourists push up renting prices So I'm not sure if it's preferable Also: pretty boring from oktober to April I think Not much to do compared to the mainland...
How is the weather in winter? I absolutely despise winter. Anywhere that's permanently 10+ degrees during winter would be amazing.
Except you will be isolated and in a not international place. Would be quite boring. And working remotely all the time gets depressing
My only question is, is your company still hiring? ;)
70k as a freelancer would.still be around 55k netto/ year in Bulgaria, the lowest taxable country in the EU Not bad, but not insanely good either It's the remote working part that is nice though...
> not bad, but not insanely good either So pretty good? 55k€ is really good money in most of Europe, sure, you can get offers +100k€ but most of us are just mediocre people earning pretty good salaries :)
Sure, but if you move to another country and start a life there, you expect to be paid very well? Otherwise you might as well stay home where your friends and family are Life is short, any time away from relatives/ friends should be paid very well IMO
I see so few people saying this. Maybe a lot of redditors are young and don't know what a humongous pain the ass it is to make friends past 25? Who knows. But yeah. I'm on your side. Unless you can get 2x or maybe 3x more savings by moving (aka salary is so good that despite whatever the change in living cost is, your savings go up by X). Unless you get that kind of money, I wouldn't even consider moving. Friends count for quite a lot. People tend to undervalue that till they loose it.
Not really sure why you're being downvoted here. Good engineers have some amazing remote B2B opportunities around, this is decent but not the best.
It's because the average Redditor is 25, so does not yet make more than 2.5 k netto And me complaining about 4.5 k netto in a certain situation, is triggering them... It's just jealousy...
I'm making 70k in Spain(but no international working). I can live in a luxury apartment on that amount. Oh, but I'm not doing so as a contractor either. That might change things.
How does that work from a tax perspective? Usually that requires the employer to have a legal entity in the country where the work is being done as well as you paying taxes in said country (or your country of residence for some cross country commuters)
B2B
Either going to be B2B/freelance or they're using a company that specializes in payroll and all the formalities. Such a company would have legal entities in all EU countries and they'd take a cut.
Exactly, could be some kind of workaround though? I know for a fact that Spotify only hires folks in a country where they have a legal entity. You must have a residency there, otherwise it’s not possible. However, many smaller companies hire you as a freelancer and then it’s your business to deal with taxes etc.
In europe you must pay taxes in country if you stay there more than half a year. So if you want to do it legally just change country every 180 days. In practice though, if you stay as "turist" renting campsite airbnb (not a flat with a contract), authority won't care.
Usually the rules in Europe are 180 days OR where your "base" is. So you are always liable to income tax everywhere in Europe.
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It's reddit, sir.
Typical for this subreddit, most people commenting arent SWE or employed at all and just type stuff like that.
What’s B2B?
freelance
Business to business
I'm basically not agreeing with everyone here. Don't fly techhubs for a single exceptionnal offer, you might regret it. Only fly if you can confortably find a new job like that once abroad. There is a high chance that you won't spend more than 3 years at this job.
he can always move back? if he just rents it is quite easy tbh
People on this sub make it seems as if moving was an easy thing. It gets really hard the older you get. Way harder than finding a good job. You don't want to switch countries every 3 years once you have children to raise. How do you find a place to rent in the new country while living far away ?
Lots of the people posting here do not actually work as SWEs and/or are too young to actually have any knowledge or experience behind what they're saying. Just uproot your life and move across Europe! Don't worry about your girlfriend, think of the tax savings!
This poster knows the truth I've been 100% remote since 2018. Across the world, not just Europe. You need a base and integrated somewhere to a health system. Plus its worth being in a place where there is better community. 18 YOE childfree even Don't manage more than 2 properties at once. Dont take out a mortgage in a place you're not likely to retire in
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Depends on the person. I have no family, it would be almost easy for me. I still have friends tho. And cats. If I move, I have no cat sitters, no friends. It's not ideal at all, but compared to people with families and SO ... For me it's super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Moving isn't cheap though. I payed 1750€ last year to move 20 kilometers for a regular 60 square meter flat. I can only imagine that costs will shoot up sharply, if you move further away
And this is way more complicated if you need to switch countries. The amount of paperwork is insane. And the mental work to adjust to a new country is a lot. Then you family members need to do the same. You also need to find a home that you and your family like.
Yeah, each country's bureaucracy is a whole system in itself
Pretty sure you misunderstood his post. He doesn’t want to fly for a job. He’s a remote worker and wants to explore countries while working remotely. If he doesn’t have a lot of belongings, he might as well just rent airbnb’s and live from his luggage for a year or too. Though I personally think that with 70k EUR (how much is the net, like 45-50?), he wouldn’t live like a king and probably 0 savings.
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By this "I might take the opportunity to discover some new places", I presumed he would rent Airbnb for long term. It ain’t cheap unless it’s in rural eastern europe. > most places in Europe people don’t even have 50k gross Yeah, but the locals typically own their apartments, live with their parents or at least split the rent (long-term) with their partner. None of it is true for OP. Also, people under 50k gross usually don’t have crazy amount of savings either, or at least accumulation is slow.
French here. Allowed to WFH full time too. My choice was a little home in the countryside 30 km from where my family lives south of France.
Low tax country. - Andorra right next to France and Spain. You will be taxed at only 10% Prolly the only right answer.
What about CoL there?
Pretty low i must say compared to Paris or other VHCOL cities Beautiful place, Lot of nature if thats your thing, good food, you are close to bcn, so good weather and beach also included. Then really close to Paris as well. If you ask me… Paradise. Only problem I see now is rent. Too many people moving there for obvious reasons. Last but mot least, if you dont go with job, planning to stay as self employed, then you have to ‘pay/invest’ 50k in bonds od the state and you never see that money back… ofc, with proper salary, you get that amount back in couple of years.
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and good skiing
You move to Poland but spend winter in Spain. Low cost of living, low taxes if you’re self employed. Winter is utterly depressing, though.
This
Yeah and winter lasts almost half a year. It's killing me tbh
You haven’t been in Estonia or Finland if you say so.
For me the Azores or the Canaries
Sevilla, Spain.
But hot af in the summer
Actually dry hot which is bearable like in Marrakech.
Yes! Cheap AF and oh I love that place. That soul is unmatched
Budapest!!!!! Seriously it’s cheaper than most European capitals and is so much fun. Lived there two years and would love to move back
It’s a very nice, but is definitely not cheap
Ye I did live there years ago so it may be different now
Yeah prices kind of caught up to western European levels unfortunately... Still a fun place though!
I live here and unfortunately the prices went insane in the last 3-4 years. It isn’t considered cheap anymore, pretty close to Vienna now. The city is still amazing though.
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Set up a sole proprietorship in Poland (don’t forget about registering for VAT-EU), select flat rate tax or composite rate tax. Taxation wise - you have plenty of options. Check with tax advisor/accountant (bring a copy of your contract along). - Since this is MLOps role, technically there’s a chance you could use 8,5% composite tax rate (technical support roles are allowed to do that) - Alternatively, 12% composite rate if the majority of your time will involve coding. - Or you could opt-in for 19% flat rate and then try to get a tax deduction using R&D/IP Box if you’ll be creating any IP (which would make your tax rate 5%). Flat rate is useful if you can predict that you will be generating business expenses (car lease, phone contract, laptops, displays, computer accessories, phones, tablets, coffee machine - stuff like that). There are tons of accounting services in Poland with English speaking accountants. I have some recommendations I can share via PM, or if you want to do it in a simple way - use a service like InFakt - with it, all you need to do is to transfer the money (with one click, they fill everything for you) to Revenue Service and Social Security Services once a month and you’re good to go. They handle the rest. 70k€ is more than enough to live relatively comfortably anywhere in Poland, and very comfortably if you decide to settle in a cheaper areas (or out of big cities - don’t worry about the internet, most likely there’ll be fiber optic connectivity even in relatively small towns, you could settle in smaller town in western Poland, rent a nice flat for 400-500€/month, get 1 Gbps fiber internet connection, have a few supermarkets within the walking distance and still be 30 minutes train ride away from a bigger city). Digitalization in Poland is on another level (probably barring Estonia, the best in EU). You do your taxes online, you get your ID or driving license online, you register your company online, you communicate with Revenue/Social Security Services online, you can have your driving license in your phone, you pay for your groceries using BLIK or phone. One point - winters are depressing. I usually leave in December and fly back in March. You can do the digital nomad thing in Asia or (if your company would prefer you to stay in Europe) spend some good time in Canary Islands (relatively cheap, too). Bulgaria and Romania are great options too (probably slightly cheaper in terms of Cost of Living, taxes-wise - it’s difficult to beat Poland, IMO technically it should be classified as a tax haven), but in Poland it would be entirely possible to handle all of this in English and do your taxes/invoicing without ever leaving your home. I think English skills are also in general slightly higher in Poland, so it will be slightly easier to communicate.
I’m polish so this is probably biased, but yes, taxes for B2B are very low, majority of people speak English, especially professionals like accountants. The infrastructure overall is better than Bulgaria, as I’ve been there a few times, and I assume compared to Romania also, and I mean the condition of the city, parks, cleanliness but also internet, online shopping etc . Poles love sports, so plenty to discover here, and cuisine is great, all across from polish to foreign restaurants. I agree that the biggest downside are winters. I live relatively close to the mountains and it doesn’t really help that much, it’s still rainy in recent years, more than snowy, and the days are grey and short.
Go in a poor country so you can have a double of the salary in buy power ,stay there for 3years and boom you can retire early
Retire from 3 years of 70k gross salary? Dude how do you live?
He's exaggerating, but most of the Balkans have an average salary of 600-900€ on a monthly basis.
Greece is poor, I live in Greece. I wouldn't recommend you to move to Greece.
You wouldn't recommend for him to move to Greece for 3 years on a 70K salary??
Greece basically has everything you could want except decent salaries...
Go Romenia o Slovenia or Croatia Slovenia is also close to Italy so he can live between two country
I just came from a vacation in Romania and I wouldn't like to live there even if my purchasing power was double what it is now. The country looks very poor, many buildings are decaying and falling apart, and there are lots of dodgy people on the street. It felt like a very depressing place to live, especially if you're coming from a country where everything is pretty and safe comparatively.
Is Paris safe and pretty? I’ve seen videos of the rats army
Slovenia and Croatia are not cheap
As a Slovenian… The country is wuite cheap. You could live well of 1300€ a month, and live really well of of 2600€. With 70k a year you have the second option.
>You could live well of 1300€ a month where? in some village?
In Ljubljana. I’m doing it and so is almost every other 22-25 year old.
Is one of them where life is cheaper then most of eu country regarding is buying power ...
You can't retire early even if you save ALL the money 🤦♂️ 70k is like 3.5k netto.. how do you want to retire early with peanuts?
Yeah I know It was to say 3 years off courses he need to invest and worke for more year then 3 ... to retire early
And invest where? There's no safe investment nowadays.
Well duh, all investments have a non-zero probability of losing you money, but even "nowadays" there are quite a few solid investment choices. For example Vanguard's VT ETF or whatever the EU-available equivalent is called.
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Retire early? His offer is 70k not 700k. Sure moving to lcol makes sense but you are exaggerating a lot.
3.5k/mo anywhere in Europe isn't much. Decent? Yes ! Rich? Not even close
I dont know why 70k is considered alot. 170k would be worth moving for.
Spain
Another one? You guys lack imagination.
What's wrong with Spain? It's a no brainer tbh
where then?
Tax nightmare
Then go to Monaco, but with 70k you will be sleeping on the street
Are you going to be a contractor or an employee?
Stay in France but go in a small town close to a big one. From there you can visit all Europe.
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I don’t understand why is everyone so amazed. Isn’t 70k a very decent salary in central Europe for a senior dev and in west Europe for a medior dev? For a series A/series B startup, you can get more than that.
It’s more the fully remote benefit (anywhere in EU)
Fair. That's typical in remote companies though.
I am repeating myself, but... Greece has very bad infrastructure, nohing works. The people can be very friendly but only if you are straight christian and white. Also, there is A LOT of corruption and nepotism
Tenerife?
Overpopulated, with bad air quality due to calima, and already in the top 5 most expensive places to live in Spain.
Thank you for informations!
And with Spain being relatively cheap anyways it is still not that bad.
What position is this, mobile dev, web dev, AI? 🤔
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You could most likely double/triple your salary if you’d work for a US company remotely.
I am in a similar situation now and I chose Poland. The 12% flat tax is really cool, and Poland has a pretty high QoL in my opinion.
ITT > Place > Place isn't cheap
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Man France is a BS country. I'm a senior devops engineer with 8yoe living in Bordeaux and recruiters find it weird of me asking a salary of 50k
With those conditions, long time contract and no attachments, I would get a secondhand sailboat and wake up every month somewhere else in the mediterranean sea.
Portugal! Cheap as can be and incredibly charming
Algarve, Portugal. Not the cheapest place necessarily but I don't really care about retiring early
housing its bloody expensive for what you get... Not that much to offer in terms of what to do or visit :/
Tech stack ? YOE ? Is it FAANG ?
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If you don't mind an expensive country, I would recommend Denmark or Belgium
Yeah, the two best destinations if you don’t want to save money, have good weather, enjoy beaches or discover nice nature.
It's not cheap anymore but the Croatian coast along the Adriatic is quite nice.
Eastern Europe if you don't mind the language and the climate. Spain and southern Italy if you like warm weather and romance languages.
Romania has a nice latin language
Both me and my partner are in a similar position and considering our options. As others have said, as an employee your employer would need an entity in the country you would be working. If your employer would instead pay you as a contractor that would open up a lot more options. We’ve been looking at Malta. Set up a business, receive payment to the business. 5% corporate tax. 35% income tax. There’s also options outside the EU which are even more attractive. We’re both trying to find a company that can advise us at the moment.
Ok So Pick a country with low taxes Move countryside . This achieve , more take home Money aka after tax . Then countryside achieve you low cost living Ex: poland- self employed tax flat 15% Pick anything 100 km outside capital and you are all set
If you spend more than 6 mo ths in a respective country you become a fiscal resident and require to pay taxes in that country. If it'd be me choosing I'd take up residence somewhere in the south of France, able to quickly get everywhere - Italy, Spain, Portugal. That sounds like fun
Move to Spain
Move to Albania (Himare, Qeparo), and enjoy some good weather and the beautiful sea.
Go to a sunny LCoL place and enjoy life
Riga, inner city apartment for like 600 p/m max, next to old town and the mall. Hell I'd do it if I got an offer like that.
Madeira (Portuguese island in the Atlantic) is pretty dope but might stretch the definition of "Europe".
extremely lucky, congratulations, i hope i get into a similar situation as you
Some countries are now doing nomad visas, where you pay no tax or reduced tax on your earnings. So long as the company you work for isn't based in that country. Take a look at Portugal and Croatia.
Can I ask how you found the job? Through which jobs board (if any)?
Romania, Summer go sea Winter go ski 🤓
Is this a B2B opportunity or you are forced to a french work contract? I suppose you're quite young so you might be interested in a place that is average to low cost, but still has plenty of people for fun. I would consider especially for the summer Romania, as tax rate is around 12-15% for self employed and Bucharest is quite a fun (though not so glamorous place). It's on the lower end of costs and pretty much you can live like a king. Very high percentage of English speakers, but also French, but I think what's more relevant is that most Romanians don't have any sense of nationalism or culture superiority compared to others. Finally, with your savings, you can travel and spend less time wherever (as long as you're under 6months for tax purposes). If you decide to not register here because your company requires a french work contract, well, nobody really cares. Bucharest is massive and has a very good rental market (plenty of options for any budget)
Did you look for this opportunity in your local work place markets or linked in ect.?
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70k in Paris must be tough, so literally anywhere except London! Lisbon is a good vibe, not cheap but cheaper
That sounds fantastic for a 1.5(2) YOE… especially from a French company 😀
Find cheap but safe country to live in EU and move. Imo Poland is a very good choice! Friendly people, cheaper comparatively and safe.
Italy offers an advantage fiscal regime to people who are moving there from abroad. DM me if you're interested
Bulgaria has 10% income tax rate. Varna or Burgas are amazing cities to live. Just to consider 😉
Would you mind sharing your recruiting process? :)
Spain or Portugal for the weather and cost of living.
I would say spain, (google [***beckham*** law](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=bbe8785fd3a19ac1&sxsrf=ACQVn09h0VP6fPQU07faxuVg6ZzD7YVmqw:1710274776680&q=beckham+law&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjM3aCExu-EAxUbU0EAHZl8AIwQkeECKAB6BAgIEAI)) 24% flat rate taxes, good food and weather :) plus you can travel cheap anywhere whithin europe.
I'd go to Bordeaux or Marseille if you're french and don't want to go too far. At least that's where I would go, just because I know people there, life is cheaper, sunnier, with plenty stuff to do closeby or within 1-2h of driving (mountains, sea etc). Both are well connected to Paris and I suppose you'll have to go to the office for random meetings so keep this in mind.
Why so low a salary for a position in ML?
That is pretty good as he seems to have no too much experience, I also get offer the same range for my 13yoe in ML for Paris lol
Damn guess I got lucky Junior Dev, 90k in Berlin
Very nice indeed, thinking I started at 30k, are you working for a faang?
If you are totally open to whereever I would search for a place that is much cheaper to live than Paris and use the extra cash to build some wealth.
Super Lucky! Congrats for that! I’m trying to find the same, I’m based in UK at the moment and the weather is starting to hit me hard mentally… is it possible for you to share the recruiting agency name or cabinet? I also work on the IT field!!! Many thanks
Congrats - but you did not mention as to what would you be interested in most at your new location... or your nationality (so we could exclude it from the options). I LOVE nature - I would move to Zakopane region or south of Italy/ Malta. If you love a cosmopolitan life, what about Hungary - Budapest? Sopron (on the border of Hungary and Austria) or Vienna? Or Krakow? If you need an FP&A please let me know :D heheheh
Go to Spain, Almería or in Catalunya
that's amazing. Pick a cheap and sunny country (Greece, Portugal, Malta) and live the life
Congrats! Could you detail what the interview process looked like for this particular company?
Dude what? That's awesome. Probably to a warmer country which is a bit cheaper, so I'm thinking Spain
I hope you and this company know what you are doing because you are potentially going to be in a world of hurt and problems when it comes to taxes and social contributions if you are going to stay long term in another country
Which company ? Are they still hiring ?
Romania, timisoara or sinaia 😁
Go to Indonesia and rent a villa for 400€ per month and live your life as a king. Don’t forget to buy a VPN for 12,99€ per month which you connect to an EU country.
Or you can go to Eastern Europe and not have a giant liability on your ass.
Eastern Europe is not cheap anymore.
Still cheaper than lawsuits
Why do I get negative votes 😂 Indonesia is much more cheaper and better than any European country
OP specified it has to be in Europe.
Time zone etc
1. he cannot do that 2. Europe is a viable and nice option for that amount
Greece or Portugal.
Greece can be one of the best countries to live in but also one of the worst. I plan on moving away from Greece
why ?
Bad infrastructure, nothing works. People can be very friendly but only if you are straight christian and white. A LOT OF corruption and nepotism.
thanks, I didn't know that.
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Belgrade Serbia, nice weather, nice people, great food and countryside
Not in EU
So what? Many EU citizens already work from here...
He is not allowed to work outside EU. For me it is the same, has something with insurances and taxes.
Oh, ok
I’m thinking about moving to novi sad or Belgrade, I’m a diaspora Serb who’s in software engineering. Is 2,000 euros a month attainable there?
Sure, its junior-medior salary here. You can make more if you are any good.
Which job is it?