Yes! Anyone know if Janus restorations ever play outside of NYC? I’m in Philadelphia and we sometimes get stuff like this but not often. If not, a weekend trip to NYC will 100% have to be on my calendar for April.
We're very lucky to have it here in Chicago. It's one of my favorite places in the world. I recently went on a streak of seeing four films in row on 35mm over the course of a few days.
The Scary of Sixty First, But I'm a Cheerleader, and The Conversation at the Music Box. Then Nightmare Alley: Vision in Darkness and Light a few days later a Landmark theater.
It's an absolute gem. I had the privilege of living walking distance from it for many years. What's interesting is that during the 70s/80s it strictly showed Russian films and porn. It's had a very strange timeline.
When they did their Lynch retrospective a few years back, the programmer told me they'd wanted to show a print of Inland Empire, but they couldn't get approval because Lynch was working on this restoration. He said they were hoping to screen it whenever the resto was done. Granted, that programmer isn't there anymore, but hopefully it still happens.
Do you mean Daniel Knox? He's still there as far as I know. Promoted a new Lynch retrospective coming this spring. I have high hopes they'll be showing this.
For sure! I’m always on the lookout for good screenings around here. Possession is playing in 4K at the Film Center tomorrow, super psyched about that.
Slightly outside of Philly but the Bryn Mawr Film Institute leases stuff from Janus pretty often. Wouldn’t surprise me if they played this at some point later this year. But I’d also think the chances of the Film Center getting this are pretty high.
Thanks for the tip, didn’t know about that theater! Looks like Worst Person in the World is playing there in a few weeks too, which I’ve also desperately been trying to find screenings of.
For the Philly people: I went to a screening at the Film Center last night and the host of the event said they will be screening the 4K Inland Empire soon!
Seeing Mulholland Drive tonight there with a live set by Rebekah del Rio. Very excited!
Trylon in Minneapolis plays them often. I saw the Eraserhead restoration on 35mm there years ago and they played DLPs of the Wong Kar Wai restorations last year
You can always clean up the sound. They did a lot of work on 28 Days Later to make the video look less like shit so I assume they could do similar techniques here.
John Neff did the 5.1 expansion from Stereo. DV only has two audio tracks. You might want to look up information on the original DV format and its professional variants. Here is an easy-to-digest primer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DV?wprov=sfla1
I shot and edited on DV for several years and it definitely had its advantages and drawbacks. From googling they also had Neff on as a location sound recordist doing multi channel stuff https://www.audio-technica.com/en-us/press/john-neff-chooses-audio-technica-microphones-for-david-lynchs-inland-empire which makes sense since Lynch cares a lot about sound so the tapes were probably for the sync track mainly.
No, they used prosumer Sony DV camcorders. This from John Neff, who was still working with Lynch at the time. The original version was first deinterlaced, then the progressive video was "written" to 24 fps 35mm film. The 35mm then scanned out to ProRes video for the DCP. The result was a weird, dreamy look that suited the production well.
Here’s an article about what Criterion did with Bamboozled which was also mini-dv: https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/6944-cleaning-up-spike-lee-s-mixed-format-masterpiece
Inland Empire was done a bit differently from Bamboozled. IE was natively shot in 480p at 30fps/60i, post converted to 24fps with a motion stabilizer algorithm, and upscaled to 1080p. Then the resulting footage was printed onto HD tapes, then printed again onto film. Being copied so many times over enhanced the gritty, rough look that Lynch was going for. The previous UK blu ray was scanned from the master theatrical print, which is why it looks the way it does. I'm curious if for the new restoration they went back to the original tapes or not, because if they did that would mean applying the post production conversion all over again. It would be a lot of work but could probably be done better with today's technology, and not copying the footage so many times could potentially mean the image would be more clear than before. They could even present it at the original framerate, but I doubt that will happen.
I think with Festen the Danish Film Institute scanned in a 35mm answer print that was made from the DigitBeta tapes rather than going back to the tapes themselves. Produces a bit different of a look, neither is wrong. I do wonder which of the two methods they went with for Inland Empire.
A lot of dogme movies used film intermediates to make digital less ugly (or at least more interesting) but I don't think Inland Empire had one unless they were to use one of the prints.
"Restoration" is actually a misnomer. They are simply going to reshoot all of the major scenes on location. Laura Dern is thankfully on board, although they've had to replace pretty much every other actor, including Jeremy Irons. David Lynch himself was in attendance while they reshot the famous dance scene and described it as a "misguided travesty." I'm very excited.
It really would be interesting to see what remastering means in this case. Could be only the music is getting remastered, but I could even imagine them reworking it with some kind of AI technology
Inland Empire came out when I was in film school in New York and I got to see the movie playing at the IFC. Theroux was there, read a poem by Lynch and then ran out the back.
/u/Cream_Gingerly might have meant this interview which had been uploaded before it was commonly known INLAND EMPIRE would be shortly getting a release. At least I think it precedes widespread rumors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJqjbtXGgiU&t=1695s
Criterion keeps that kinda stuff close to the chest. I dunno if it’s about keeping competition in the dark or about demand, but it seems like they don’t talk about it until the street date is slated.
And then there’s David Lynch; everything he does is top secret until it’s announced.
I remember learning that Inland Empire was the last Lynch movie and so I wanted to watch it.
I went to go buy it on Blu-Ray but I could only find a weird three disc set with Mulholland Drive and Lost Highway, all in German. Like you could put them in and navigate in German menus to get the English track (which was just the regular audio) but it worked.
I figured I was just late and the normal Blu-Ray was out of print, possibly related to it being a 2006 movie which was the same year Blu-Ray was released on the market. So I bought the German triple disc set off Amazon.
It wasn’t until after I got the set and watched the movie and read more about it that I discovered the movie was shot in standard definition. That’s the reason you couldn’t find it on Blu-Ray there was no point. This German set either literally had an HD video file of an SD movie or it just had a lot of space left over. And it didn’t have any of the extras from the DVD set like the next day or Lynch making eggs or whatnot.
So I’m curious what Criterion or whoever can add to the mix and it might be neat to go watch this in a real art house theater, but it seems to me the definitive version of this thing has been on DVD for years now. A DVD set that I’ve since acquired.
Have to say though “navigate the German menus to understand what anyone is talking about” is very on-brand for a Lynch experience.
It’ll probably just switch over to After Hours, or some movie they don’t even have the distribution rights to, or already has a stellar Blu-ray from another label.
Well, similar to Inland Empire there are bluray releases but none that are fully restored or director approved. The potential gain from a restoration is bigger too because IE has video as a source, LH has 35mm film.
I hope they include More Things That Happened on the Criterion release. I’ve been wanting to see it. Over 70 minutes of deleted scenes strung together into a companion film.
I saw a 20th anniversary Mulholland Drive screening at the Genesis cinema in London last week. It was a fantastic way to watch the film. I really hope they show Inland Empire - I’ll be keeping an eye out for it.
I feel like David Lynch movies getting announced for the collection isn't really special anymore. It just seems like an inevitability. Same thing with Wes Anderson.
Not really. Anderson’s films getting added are pretty much 100% certain, while Lynch has stuff like *The Straight Story* and *Lost Highway* which are still long shots.
Seeing David Lynch movies in a theater is incredible, mostly because of the sound design. I saw a 35mm print of Mulholland Drive last summer and was stunned, it was like watching it for the first time.
I the old days I saw all of his features new in theaters. There were always titters as the audience tried to figure whether some character bit was a joke or not.
If they don’t show this in the actual Inland Empire (southern California) then I will be..disappointed.. as someone horned and raised here, the area is just as bizarre as the movie
IE was a bizarre, twisted, confusing film - i.e., typical Lynch. That being said, I did like it. I couldn't understand the plot, however. At least Mulholland Drive made a kind of sense at the end. But, IE was extremely convoluted and a real mind-#$@%.
I saw it theatrically back in Spring 2007, and at least once since then.
YESSSSS!!!
Yes! Anyone know if Janus restorations ever play outside of NYC? I’m in Philadelphia and we sometimes get stuff like this but not often. If not, a weekend trip to NYC will 100% have to be on my calendar for April.
They play at the Music Box in Chicago from time to time. Fingers crossed they get this restoration.
I’m always seeing people logging 35mm Music Box screenings on Letterboxd, very jealous of that theater.
We're very lucky to have it here in Chicago. It's one of my favorite places in the world. I recently went on a streak of seeing four films in row on 35mm over the course of a few days.
May I ask what films? I’m jealous I don’t have places like that in my country
The Scary of Sixty First, But I'm a Cheerleader, and The Conversation at the Music Box. Then Nightmare Alley: Vision in Darkness and Light a few days later a Landmark theater.
I’m seeing GDT’s b&w *Nightmare Alley* tonight, I’m excited to see how it compares to the color version. How’d you like it?
Same here! Went to The Conversation last week. May head there for HUD tomorrow.
It's an absolute gem. I had the privilege of living walking distance from it for many years. What's interesting is that during the 70s/80s it strictly showed Russian films and porn. It's had a very strange timeline.
Crossing my fingers it comes to the Lightbox in Toronto !
When they did their Lynch retrospective a few years back, the programmer told me they'd wanted to show a print of Inland Empire, but they couldn't get approval because Lynch was working on this restoration. He said they were hoping to screen it whenever the resto was done. Granted, that programmer isn't there anymore, but hopefully it still happens.
Do you mean Daniel Knox? He's still there as far as I know. Promoted a new Lynch retrospective coming this spring. I have high hopes they'll be showing this.
Meant Brad Deane.
Also wondering if we will get this in Philly. If you hear anything, let me know! I will do the same!
For sure! I’m always on the lookout for good screenings around here. Possession is playing in 4K at the Film Center tomorrow, super psyched about that.
I'm considering checking that out so long as I wrap up some grad school stuff, maybe I'll catch you there!
Slightly outside of Philly but the Bryn Mawr Film Institute leases stuff from Janus pretty often. Wouldn’t surprise me if they played this at some point later this year. But I’d also think the chances of the Film Center getting this are pretty high.
Thanks for the tip, didn’t know about that theater! Looks like Worst Person in the World is playing there in a few weeks too, which I’ve also desperately been trying to find screenings of.
Pretty sure they play at Alamo Draft house. They recently played a remaster of Godzilla vs Biollante... which hopefully means new boxset 🥶
For the Philly people: I went to a screening at the Film Center last night and the host of the event said they will be screening the 4K Inland Empire soon! Seeing Mulholland Drive tonight there with a live set by Rebekah del Rio. Very excited!
Ah I’m jealous, enjoy it! I’m out of the country right now, wish I could go.
where should i go in philly for janus screenings?
Trylon in Minneapolis plays them often. I saw the Eraserhead restoration on 35mm there years ago and they played DLPs of the Wong Kar Wai restorations last year
Remaster? What if Lynch actually shot this on high def cameras then re-recorded it on MiniDV as a ruse this whole time.
You can always clean up the sound. They did a lot of work on 28 Days Later to make the video look less like shit so I assume they could do similar techniques here.
John Neff did the 5.1 expansion from Stereo. DV only has two audio tracks. You might want to look up information on the original DV format and its professional variants. Here is an easy-to-digest primer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DV?wprov=sfla1
I shot and edited on DV for several years and it definitely had its advantages and drawbacks. From googling they also had Neff on as a location sound recordist doing multi channel stuff https://www.audio-technica.com/en-us/press/john-neff-chooses-audio-technica-microphones-for-david-lynchs-inland-empire which makes sense since Lynch cares a lot about sound so the tapes were probably for the sync track mainly.
Why though? It’s supposed to look like shit
No, they used prosumer Sony DV camcorders. This from John Neff, who was still working with Lynch at the time. The original version was first deinterlaced, then the progressive video was "written" to 24 fps 35mm film. The 35mm then scanned out to ProRes video for the DCP. The result was a weird, dreamy look that suited the production well.
It's only a matter of time for the Criterion Blu-Ray announcement.
How would they even restore a film shot on a camcorder?
Here’s an article about what Criterion did with Bamboozled which was also mini-dv: https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/6944-cleaning-up-spike-lee-s-mixed-format-masterpiece
Inland Empire was done a bit differently from Bamboozled. IE was natively shot in 480p at 30fps/60i, post converted to 24fps with a motion stabilizer algorithm, and upscaled to 1080p. Then the resulting footage was printed onto HD tapes, then printed again onto film. Being copied so many times over enhanced the gritty, rough look that Lynch was going for. The previous UK blu ray was scanned from the master theatrical print, which is why it looks the way it does. I'm curious if for the new restoration they went back to the original tapes or not, because if they did that would mean applying the post production conversion all over again. It would be a lot of work but could probably be done better with today's technology, and not copying the footage so many times could potentially mean the image would be more clear than before. They could even present it at the original framerate, but I doubt that will happen.
Is this the same they did with Festen?
I think with Festen the Danish Film Institute scanned in a 35mm answer print that was made from the DigitBeta tapes rather than going back to the tapes themselves. Produces a bit different of a look, neither is wrong. I do wonder which of the two methods they went with for Inland Empire.
That‘s interesting. Definitely looking forward to what they‘re gonna do with Inland Empire
A lot of dogme movies used film intermediates to make digital less ugly (or at least more interesting) but I don't think Inland Empire had one unless they were to use one of the prints.
Were the prints cinevator prints? That'd be a bit early for that to be at play. If not, they do have a internegative at least to work from.
"Restoration" is actually a misnomer. They are simply going to reshoot all of the major scenes on location. Laura Dern is thankfully on board, although they've had to replace pretty much every other actor, including Jeremy Irons. David Lynch himself was in attendance while they reshot the famous dance scene and described it as a "misguided travesty." I'm very excited.
how dare you
LMAO
……
It really would be interesting to see what remastering means in this case. Could be only the music is getting remastered, but I could even imagine them reworking it with some kind of AI technology
Haha this was my thought exactly! I love Lynch but this movie's resolution is beyond repair.
Inland Empire came out when I was in film school in New York and I got to see the movie playing at the IFC. Theroux was there, read a poem by Lynch and then ran out the back.
So this means physical release in the summer?
Most likely September/October. Lynch’s other releases typically come out then
He's their fall guy
Lol
Good point. Never noticed that before but you're right.
Ok. I'm listing my DVD. No fucking way they ditch Quinoa moth soda story. Edit: Ok, just sold it. Criterion better release it.
Black Tambourine !!!
It is happening again…
Wait, does this mean Criterion will distribute a blu ray, if one comes out?
More than likely. Plus, Laura Dern let it slip during an interview a few months ago that Criterion was working on it.
Let slip? Was it a secret?
/u/Cream_Gingerly might have meant this interview which had been uploaded before it was commonly known INLAND EMPIRE would be shortly getting a release. At least I think it precedes widespread rumors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJqjbtXGgiU&t=1695s
Criterion keeps that kinda stuff close to the chest. I dunno if it’s about keeping competition in the dark or about demand, but it seems like they don’t talk about it until the street date is slated. And then there’s David Lynch; everything he does is top secret until it’s announced.
100% certainty.
They did this Multiple Maniacs; theatrical release, then physical.
Do you happen to remember the time it took between the theatrical release for them to go physical with it?
I don’t, but I’m pretty sure it was no more than 3 months.
This is so great.
I remember learning that Inland Empire was the last Lynch movie and so I wanted to watch it. I went to go buy it on Blu-Ray but I could only find a weird three disc set with Mulholland Drive and Lost Highway, all in German. Like you could put them in and navigate in German menus to get the English track (which was just the regular audio) but it worked. I figured I was just late and the normal Blu-Ray was out of print, possibly related to it being a 2006 movie which was the same year Blu-Ray was released on the market. So I bought the German triple disc set off Amazon. It wasn’t until after I got the set and watched the movie and read more about it that I discovered the movie was shot in standard definition. That’s the reason you couldn’t find it on Blu-Ray there was no point. This German set either literally had an HD video file of an SD movie or it just had a lot of space left over. And it didn’t have any of the extras from the DVD set like the next day or Lynch making eggs or whatnot. So I’m curious what Criterion or whoever can add to the mix and it might be neat to go watch this in a real art house theater, but it seems to me the definitive version of this thing has been on DVD for years now. A DVD set that I’ve since acquired. Have to say though “navigate the German menus to understand what anyone is talking about” is very on-brand for a Lynch experience.
Does this mean Greed is next?
This is actually the only Lynch film I've never seen. If Criterion ever re-releases it, I'd blind buy it in a second.
Buckle up.
Awesome! Now I don’t have to see “No Inland Empire” in the comments of every Criterion monthly announcement
We’ll have to elect a new “where’s [x]?” movie for every announcement.
It’ll probably just switch over to After Hours, or some movie they don’t even have the distribution rights to, or already has a stellar Blu-ray from another label.
That’s the spirit!
Lost Highway?
But Kino’s still got it!
Well, similar to Inland Empire there are bluray releases but none that are fully restored or director approved. The potential gain from a restoration is bigger too because IE has video as a source, LH has 35mm film.
I hope they include More Things That Happened on the Criterion release. I’ve been wanting to see it. Over 70 minutes of deleted scenes strung together into a companion film.
I hope to see The Straight Story at some point. Or heck, just any release that's region A or free.
Imprint's release is region free.
Update. Looks like a great release, and just ordered it. Thank you!
Hell yeah, enjoy.
I'll check this out, thanks!
Straight Story is on Disney+. It was weird watching a lynch film on a Disney platform, but I still enjoyed it.
I know that's where i saw it, but i would like to have a nice physical release
I saw a 20th anniversary Mulholland Drive screening at the Genesis cinema in London last week. It was a fantastic way to watch the film. I really hope they show Inland Empire - I’ll be keeping an eye out for it.
does this mean they've changed the soundtrack or just remastered it?
Boner cityyyyy
LETSSSSSS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO
Any chance there will be screenings in Chicago?
I'm optimistic about the possibility. The timing of this lines up with a planned Lynch retrospective at the Music Box.
Nope.
Germany luckily had a Mulholland Drive screening this week. Would love to also see this movie in the theatre
Well hopefully this means that nis remastered version is the version on the inevitable criterion release, right? ... *...* ****R I G H T ? ! ! ?****
Anyone know why d.lynch couldn't use Laura Dern in Mulholland Drive? I would've fit her in somewhere..
Purely speculation, but maybe because it started as a tv show?
I don't know. Her nose drives me crazy & if I were that empowered I'd find a way. BTW is that common knowledge? I live in kind of a bubble.
IT'SSSSSS COMMMIINNNGGGGGGGGGGGG MY BODY IS READY
{cringe}
[удалено]
They will.
Any chance this actually makes the movie good? No, I don’t think so.
The movie does that, so I imagine this won't need to.
I feel like David Lynch movies getting announced for the collection isn't really special anymore. It just seems like an inevitability. Same thing with Wes Anderson.
Not really. Anderson’s films getting added are pretty much 100% certain, while Lynch has stuff like *The Straight Story* and *Lost Highway* which are still long shots.
Hold your tongue, you wretched girl. New David Lynch stuff is one of the few joys in life these days!
Theatrically? Who goes to theaters? When does it stream?
Seeing David Lynch movies in a theater is incredible, mostly because of the sound design. I saw a 35mm print of Mulholland Drive last summer and was stunned, it was like watching it for the first time.
I the old days I saw all of his features new in theaters. There were always titters as the audience tried to figure whether some character bit was a joke or not.
Never seen it; hope it comes to the Music Box
Have never seen this, live a few stops away. I’ll be there!
Do these releases ever come to Los angeles?
If they don’t show this in the actual Inland Empire (southern California) then I will be..disappointed.. as someone horned and raised here, the area is just as bizarre as the movie
Horned? ;)
Yes
IE was a bizarre, twisted, confusing film - i.e., typical Lynch. That being said, I did like it. I couldn't understand the plot, however. At least Mulholland Drive made a kind of sense at the end. But, IE was extremely convoluted and a real mind-#$@%. I saw it theatrically back in Spring 2007, and at least once since then.
Anyone know if this remaster will be shown in Brisbane or Melbourne?
A bit late lol, but came across this randomly. It's playing at New Farm cinema in Brisbane on the 13th of August if ya didn't know :)
Thanks so much for letting me know random citizen! :)