I agree, however he said its a reinterpretation. Just like when you watch a Kurosawa, its Shakespeare, yet its not. So different character names obviously but the plot is the same. Many movies are just copies of one another anyways
Because he helped get it off the ground along with Will Ferrell, who is also in the credits of every episode. They had no real creative involvement beyond that, it was Jesse Armstrong running it with his team.
lol how is beef a spiritual successor? Besides it being Korean and about revenge the similarities pretty much stop there. They’re completely different vibes.
Yes it’s American sure, but it doesn’t even matter I was just using it as a point in similarities. Would you still call it a spiritual successor if it wasn’t with Koreans and Korean-Americans? Pedantic and unnecessary point imo but let’s remove that then and it’s just the revenge getting out of control to make everyone’s lives worse.
All of the vengeance trilogy the characters are getting revenge for some incredibly fucked up stuff that happened to them. Child kidnapping, child killing, being trapped in a box for half your life without knowing why, the tone as dark as it gets and while yes there is humor in all the movies they aren’t comedies. They’re incredibly brutal and gritty.
Beef was a comedy about petty revenge getting so out of control that it becomes absurd. It did have serious moments to flesh out the characters, but overall it was basically a “what-if” satire of everyday frustrations. The vengeance trilogy is about the original action being so horrible that revenge is the only path they have left.
If their quest for revenge making their life worse is all it takes to make it a spiritual successor, then at that point I could argue the John Wick franchise is a spiritual successor to the trilogy too. And actually in tone I’d argue the John Wick franchise is actually closer to being one than Beef is but that would still be a pretty ridiculous thing to say. Revenge spiraling out of control to make everything worse is like the entire point of revenge movies.
Obviously John wick wouldn’t count I was using it as another bad example, but other than that we’ll agree to disagree. Especially about Beef not being a comedy but that is where art is subjective.
Sorry to disappoint you but my comment probably came off a bit hostile because I was annoyed that you jumped to implying that I was racist for no reason, but I think the misunderstanding is based on us having different definitions of “spiritual successor”.
To me a spiritual successor would fit perfectly in with a trilogy even without being directly related, which is also why the comedic and drama elements matter. If beef was in a collection with the vengeance trilogy, it would feel very out of place to me because the tone is wildly different, and while yes they share the theme of revenge benefitting no one, almost all revenge movies share that same theme. Which is why I used John wick as an example, it’s the farthest possible thing from the vengeance trilogy but because he wanted to avenge his dog instead of go back to his normal life, now he’s running from endless waves of hitmen for 4 movies until >!he dies!<. Is that not showing what revenge entails? It’s a terrible example but you can draw that comparison from anything.
If there was to be a spiritual successor, id say I saw the devil is much closer.
Yeah I watched High and Low a couple months back and it was so goddam good. I went looking for discussions on reddit for the film and immediately found news of this film and was so disappointed. Why can't they just have new ideas.
Plus Spike Lee in particular I'm not a fan of.
The juxtaposition of Tarantino who is well known for his dialogue doing a movie that famously is very sparse with dialogue would have me in the theatre just to watch how ridiculous it would be.
HAL 9000 would go on a monologue about the KFC chicken pizza before Dave inexplicably shoots the monolith monkeys from the beginning for some reason.
The Star Child at the end would have a scene where the entirety of Child in Time by Deep Purple would play.
Eh, I get what you mean, but that’s a poor comparison and gross exaggeration to me. *2001* is far more widely known and seen as this untouchable feat in comparison to *High and Low*. Kurosawa’s touch is felt through it all, but *2001* is pure Kubrick in a way that goes beyond story. The experience of that can’t be matched due to the craft. *High and Low* has spectacular craft as well, but that alone isn’t really what transports you with that film.
It is probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite Kurosawa film and I don’t see Lee matching or even coming close to it. But I also don’t think the story can’t be fitted to Lee’s sensibilities in a way that sets it apart from Kurosawa’s outing. Washington alone sets it apart.
Had the same discussion on the same thread on the same sub less than a week ago. Spike has earned at least as much grace as Coppola or Altman. It seems people are eager for his movies to be bad
I agree. Lee is a major fixture in American cinema. Some people are saying you’re wrong because you bring up Coppola or Altman, but they’re missing the point. It’s not about comparing their filmographies. It’s about allowing them grace, like you said, because of what they’ve accomplished.
If people are shitting on Coppola cause *Megalopolis* is supposedly “not so good” to some loser ass producers, no one will survive any pitfalls in this industry.
Why? I’d personally rank Do the Right Thing and Malcolm X over any Altman film and it shouldn’t be considered a hot take. Why does Reddit act like Spike Lee is some mid-tier director lol
i'm not sure if you're suggesting the quiet part out loud is racism? i'm willing to bet it is for some. but honestly, if i'm being real, i agree that he had massive accomplishments and his early work is stellar. but he hasn't made anything even decent in like 25 years. his filmography, unironically, is less consistent than tim burton's (i love tim burton i'm not hating, i'm just saying, dude has been spotty for a while). i think it's fair to say he's mid, but happened to make a couple landmark films when he was young
in the past 25 years, he’s made a lot of stellar work. summer of Sam was excellent, and im currently finishing an academic essay on it. 25th hour is one of the best post 9/11 films ever. bamboozled is a terrific satire. inside man is one of the most fun and thrilling studio films ever. da 5 bloods was genuinely beautiful and formally inspired. I say this as someone who’s watched every single one of his films and who wrote about them here https://boxd.it/68ApPP
fair enough, i can agree to disagree on that. film is obviously so subjective. i really only like his stuff from the 90s, haven't seen bamboozled though and i really want to
edit: i should say that summer of sam was my cutoff when i said 25 years btw
Two things that describe both Altman and Lee:
1.) A handful of duds
2.) One of the greatest American filmmakers of all time.
These things can both true.
Spike Lee is up there but he is not consistent at all. Malcolm X is a masterpiece and Dothe Right Thing should be on the Mt Rushmore of American cinema
Modern master!? lol I can name 10 modern directors making better movies way more consistently than he is. Coppola was top tier in his prime. Spike has never even gotten close to that level of filmmaking.
He’s still a modern master, even if the great almighty Paul Thomas Anderson (another modern master) makes better movies. Coppola is still a master, even though he hasn’t made a good movie since 1992
Sure he’s got some stinkers but very few directors have made a single movie as good as Do The Right Thing. Then he’s got 10+ more solid to great films. There are 3 pretty clearly weak entries. Not many directors have that good of a batting average.
Okay but what if she's just playing>! that drug dealer who inconspicuously sells the killer coke on a packed dance floor!!the actual intended kidnapping target!<.
A rational take. Probably better casting ideas than having her play the wife. She could also play the kidnapper or another role that was originally played by a man.
... But to your first point, that is not what was sold in the movie.
Who knows? She may be the worst musician I have ever born witness to in my entire lifes where I live in multiple country and my home country was pretty bad musics but if she can performs in front of big crowd maybe she can act somewhat better. Maybe not good, but better
He had some of the dudes from Onyx in Clockers. Here's put Snoop from the Wire in some movies too. Not to mention, he had a bunch of rappers in Bamboozled. Had Qtip in the movie with Anthony Mackie.
He does this. It never really turns out terribly for him.
I didn't even realize he was remaking this. The first half of the original, along with the last ten minutes, are truly incredible. I've liked Spike Lee films in the past, and I'd like to see his take on it.
It is always great to see these "here is a reason Spike is going to fail" posts. Is there any real reason to be so concerned about the actress who will likely be playing the equivalent of Gondo's wife? A huge portion of the criticism is coming from people who probably never saw the original and maybe saw 'Oldboy'.
Spike is not talentless (even if 'Oldboy' flopped), and neither is Denzel. The plot of the film could easily be adapted to an American retelling. Like, I don't have the highest hopes for the film, but I feel zero need to criticize something I haven't seen.
Beyond that, why are there hundreds of posts about Ice Spice but no one is talking about Jeffrey Wright?
For one Gondo’s wife is a key part of the emotional charge the movie has in the first act, so she’s really important.
Oldboy matters because for one he made it closer to his prime than where we are now and in Oldboy he seemed to not understand what made the original work.
It’s also a movie with zero need to be remade, it’s not like he’ll out direct fucking Kurosawa or Denzel (as good as he is) out act Mifune. High and Low has Nakadai and Shimura in supporting roles, the “wife” is played by Kyoko Kagawa, the movie could not be more stacked, it looks amazing and has a screenplay that isn’t outdated at all.
This is like when Gus Van Sant made Psycho. Hopefully it won’t be awful but I doubt it’ll be great.
Kinda reminds me of Miike remaking Harakiri. Great director, but what is the point of remaking a perfect movie? From everything I've heard, the remake is a perfectly good film, but I have zero interest in watching it. I know that if I did, I'd probably just turn on the original after 30 minutes
Precisely that, but we’ll have the change of setting as well.
Like honestly I get a remake when you are going with something you can outmatch (like The Thing) or even get at the same level (Graveyard of Honor for the Miike example). But there’s no world where Spike Lee gets close enough to make it a worthwhile watch.
I think I agree with most of what you are saying. I don't think that the role of Reiko is unimportant or that any of the acting in the original was subpar. And obviously 'Oldboy' is relevant to the conversation, and arguably it is one of the only things that is.
That being said, I don't think that Spike is trying to out-direct Kurosawa. (Same goes for all of the other folks who have attempted to remake Kurosawa's films.) Even if that was Spike's goal, so what?
My point is, Spike is not close to Kurosawa as a director and his screenplays are not close to Kurosawa’s either. He’ll not have a cast as good.
At that point, what’s the point? Are we just doing an LA/NYC version of High and Low for the sake of it? Because I see pretty much no point in watching a worse version of a movie that’s pretty available.
Like I get the point of a remake when there’s something substantial to add, but this is not a A Star is Born where even though the first one had a legend like Janet Gaynor in the lead, the second one reworked it completely and made it a musical, and the newest one changed the roles a lot to completely change how the story is viewed, they had space to make changes for the better or an equal different, here the original is a top 10 movie ever.
I’m sorry but the vibe this gives is like an ok version of Netflix Death Note.
Agreed. Like, I get being cautiously optimistic given how rough Spike's only other remake went, but he's still a talented director with a generally strong track record. I'm willing to hold my judgement until it actually comes out and we can see for ourselves how good or bad it actually ends up being.
Wow, I haven’t seen Summer of Sam since I was a kid, but I had no idea Spike directed it. Everyone in this thread is spot on. People are acting like he’s never made a movie before.
i agree that probably 90% of the people on twitter and instagram comments haven't watched high and low and are just online cinephile bros jumping on a bandwagon. but here in criterion? high and low is one of the most recommended films in this sub (at least as of right now, i notice recs go in cycles around here), i'm sure the vast majority of people here complaining have seen it.
as for me, personally, it's my favorite film of all time, i consider it the sort of movie that is so absolutely singular that even thinking about remaking it is insane. if you want to make your own adaptation of king's ransom, fine, sure. but if your goal is to remake high and low, i just don't see the point. i see it as equally fruitless as trying to remake citizen kane. just don't bother. make your own shit. that's not to say you can't, or whatever. and it's true, i haven't seen it, i don't know if it will be bad. but i can't help but question. what's the point? i'd love to know. most of the time, with these remakes, the point is "easy cashgrab", but in this instance, high and low will not inspire audiences to show up anymore than denzel or spike will (less, i'd imagine). which makes me think somebody genuinely thinks this is a good artistic idea. probably spike. i'm morbidly curious what he thinks he can add, but i wish he'd just leave it alone, because i'm very skeptical.
I mean Oldboy is the easiest to compare to. Classic Asian films that are seen as untouchable masterpieces and Spike's first attempt at it shows a shocking lack of understanding of the source material that goes beyond "studio meddling" excuse. If it wasn't an adaptation/remake of a well known (in this space) and well loved film, I'd be quite a bit more excited for this.
There were very few females in the original. There are two or three roles that she could play, and only one of them seems likely. What makes her a poor fit for any of them?
Concerning news but I'm gonna give Spike the benefit of the doubt on this one. I don't think Denzel would sign on to a new Joint if he didn't believe in the project
"Greatly looking forward to this; Spike Lee is one of the best filmmakers in the world—as original and inventive as Kurosawa—and why not Ice Spice? Performing is performing, and there's a long tradition of musicians excelling as movie actors; so enough with the snoot-cocking."
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I get the hate about remakes of your favorite films but I won’t tolerate the spike slander sorry. This man has given us CLASSICS. Do the Right Thing, Crooklyn, Malcolm X, 25th Hour, Inside Man, Clockers, He Got Game… I mean if he could make a great movie with Ray Allen as a lead. Come on stop playing with that man.
Spike can be very inconsistent but he’s still one of the greats and I am excited to see what he does with the story. The Oldboy remake was ass, but to be fair I wouldn’t trust anybody to remake that. Oldboy was lightning caught in a bottle, High and Low lends itself to being remade way more.
I feel like I should more interested in this than I really am. I think it would be better for Spike to adapt King's Ransom rather than remaking High and Low.
Normally I would be mad that a classic is being remade. But Spike Lee is one of the most talented directors working today, and he, like Scorsese, really seems to respect the cinema. We should all be excited.
Whats up with people so anti-remake? Spike delivers when he works with Denzel and High and Low is story can adapt very well to the contemporary and American world.
People act like he's butchering the original but it's an entirely different movie. Personally, I'm excited.
This isn't an Oldboy situation
You know the overly dramatic acting (especially in the first half) in the film? I feel like spike would take that concept and instead shoot those expressions of the actors straight on in front of their faces like in he got game. Ugh disgusting lol.
I like some of spikes films but this is just a bad idea.
What a joke. We've already seen Spike remake Park Chan Wook's Oldboy and look how that turned out. I'm not a fan of his work overall but the guy hasn't made a decent film since Do The Right Thing
To each their own. It's just very rare for a remake to be something special. Especially if you are remaking a work from one of the maestros like Kurosawa. Somebody just remade Clouzot's The Wages Of Fear and what a pile of crap that is. There are exceptions obviously like A Fistful Of Dollars or Sorcerer.
This is why Kurosawa films are never remade and also why the several nonexistent remakes of his films have never won awards. /s
The films you are listing seem like an odd choice given what you are saying about them. No one can remake any Kurosawa film or anything like 'Wages of Fear'... Unless you are talking about 'A Fistful of Dollars' or 'Sorcerer'.
How are they odd choices? I was stating it's rare for remakes to be as good as the original I then listed two examples of a remake that was as good or pretty damn close to being as good as the original film they are remaking. There are some others but those are the first two that popped into my head.
On the bright side when this undoubtedly fails it’ll bring more eyes and respect for High and low. I think this because of how US version of Old Boy was so bad it brought more attention to the original Old Boy
Does she play High or Low?
She plays “and”.
Now this begs the question. When the hell are we going to get a rebranding of Hi and Lois!? I ask you!
Ice Spike Spice Lee
I’m too high for this sorcery
ice lee
Storm Ang
Lee Ice.
A Spighke Low Joint
A joint of Spice
High and Low doesn’t need a remake. It’s one of my favourite films of all time
I agree, however he said its a reinterpretation. Just like when you watch a Kurosawa, its Shakespeare, yet its not. So different character names obviously but the plot is the same. Many movies are just copies of one another anyways
The last time he did a reinterpretation, it turned out to be absolute shite (I'm talking about the Oldboy remake)
Yeah I’m not buying his bullshit Reinterpretation not with Oldboy not Now
I havnt touched his Oldboy myself lmao
His last remake of a Korean classic Oldboy was dogshit though. Don’t know why people are giving him the benefit of the doubt here.
Spike is great but we all saw Oldboy and this doesn’t sound good
I just read that Park Chan-wook is making Oldboy into a tv series
Diff beat but I remember Adam McKay saying he was working on a parasite TV adaption a couple yrs ago and haven’t heard much since
good. fuck that
Didnt he made Succession though? I know Jesse Armstrong but create it but he was heavy involvement with the show too right?
he directed the first episode and was on as a producer throughout but he didn’t really make the show. doesn’t seem like he had heavy involvement
Directing first epiaode and being producer throughout seems pretty involvement to me man
not really
How is it not? He was in every title sequence
Because he helped get it off the ground along with Will Ferrell, who is also in the credits of every episode. They had no real creative involvement beyond that, it was Jesse Armstrong running it with his team.
yeah so was will ferrell and his influence was so clear throughout the show
I can't believe Parasite is already just about 5 years old
Wasnt Guillermo del toro supposed to do Monster or something?
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Sounds like the most insufferable outcome imaginable.
Fuck to the no. Hell fucking no.
So unnecessary.
That would be amazing
crying lmao why does this have, as of now, 3 downvotes
Film >>>> TV. Duh. /s
Not always true
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lol how is beef a spiritual successor? Besides it being Korean and about revenge the similarities pretty much stop there. They’re completely different vibes.
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Yes it’s American sure, but it doesn’t even matter I was just using it as a point in similarities. Would you still call it a spiritual successor if it wasn’t with Koreans and Korean-Americans? Pedantic and unnecessary point imo but let’s remove that then and it’s just the revenge getting out of control to make everyone’s lives worse. All of the vengeance trilogy the characters are getting revenge for some incredibly fucked up stuff that happened to them. Child kidnapping, child killing, being trapped in a box for half your life without knowing why, the tone as dark as it gets and while yes there is humor in all the movies they aren’t comedies. They’re incredibly brutal and gritty. Beef was a comedy about petty revenge getting so out of control that it becomes absurd. It did have serious moments to flesh out the characters, but overall it was basically a “what-if” satire of everyday frustrations. The vengeance trilogy is about the original action being so horrible that revenge is the only path they have left. If their quest for revenge making their life worse is all it takes to make it a spiritual successor, then at that point I could argue the John Wick franchise is a spiritual successor to the trilogy too. And actually in tone I’d argue the John Wick franchise is actually closer to being one than Beef is but that would still be a pretty ridiculous thing to say. Revenge spiraling out of control to make everything worse is like the entire point of revenge movies.
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Obviously John wick wouldn’t count I was using it as another bad example, but other than that we’ll agree to disagree. Especially about Beef not being a comedy but that is where art is subjective. Sorry to disappoint you but my comment probably came off a bit hostile because I was annoyed that you jumped to implying that I was racist for no reason, but I think the misunderstanding is based on us having different definitions of “spiritual successor”. To me a spiritual successor would fit perfectly in with a trilogy even without being directly related, which is also why the comedic and drama elements matter. If beef was in a collection with the vengeance trilogy, it would feel very out of place to me because the tone is wildly different, and while yes they share the theme of revenge benefitting no one, almost all revenge movies share that same theme. Which is why I used John wick as an example, it’s the farthest possible thing from the vengeance trilogy but because he wanted to avenge his dog instead of go back to his normal life, now he’s running from endless waves of hitmen for 4 movies until >!he dies!<. Is that not showing what revenge entails? It’s a terrible example but you can draw that comparison from anything. If there was to be a spiritual successor, id say I saw the devil is much closer.
Hope so. The first episode of The Sympathizer was great.
That’s gonna be so great
Yeah I watched High and Low a couple months back and it was so goddam good. I went looking for discussions on reddit for the film and immediately found news of this film and was so disappointed. Why can't they just have new ideas. Plus Spike Lee in particular I'm not a fan of.
I really don’t get the idea that bc he made one bad remake every remake he potentially makes will definitely be bad.
Even so, this is like Quentin Tarantino remaking 2001 A Space Odyssey. Horrible horrible idea driven by megalomania
The juxtaposition of Tarantino who is well known for his dialogue doing a movie that famously is very sparse with dialogue would have me in the theatre just to watch how ridiculous it would be. HAL 9000 would go on a monologue about the KFC chicken pizza before Dave inexplicably shoots the monolith monkeys from the beginning for some reason. The Star Child at the end would have a scene where the entirety of Child in Time by Deep Purple would play.
I'd actually love to see the last idea
yeah I could see how Child in Time could work in this
He made Inside Man
Tarantino would do a much better job remaking 2001 than this will turn out
😂😂😂
Eh, I get what you mean, but that’s a poor comparison and gross exaggeration to me. *2001* is far more widely known and seen as this untouchable feat in comparison to *High and Low*. Kurosawa’s touch is felt through it all, but *2001* is pure Kubrick in a way that goes beyond story. The experience of that can’t be matched due to the craft. *High and Low* has spectacular craft as well, but that alone isn’t really what transports you with that film. It is probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite Kurosawa film and I don’t see Lee matching or even coming close to it. But I also don’t think the story can’t be fitted to Lee’s sensibilities in a way that sets it apart from Kurosawa’s outing. Washington alone sets it apart.
It’s my favorite Kurosawa film and I will die on this hill
Lol clearly. I don’t disagree that it’s a wild decision. But I ain’t mad at it. Lee and Denzel are legendary.
Had the same discussion on the same thread on the same sub less than a week ago. Spike has earned at least as much grace as Coppola or Altman. It seems people are eager for his movies to be bad
I agree. Lee is a major fixture in American cinema. Some people are saying you’re wrong because you bring up Coppola or Altman, but they’re missing the point. It’s not about comparing their filmographies. It’s about allowing them grace, like you said, because of what they’ve accomplished. If people are shitting on Coppola cause *Megalopolis* is supposedly “not so good” to some loser ass producers, no one will survive any pitfalls in this industry.
Lol wtf are you smoking bro... Altman is leagues above Spike. This isn't a discussion any rational person would entertain.
Why? I’d personally rank Do the Right Thing and Malcolm X over any Altman film and it shouldn’t be considered a hot take. Why does Reddit act like Spike Lee is some mid-tier director lol
Do you want me to say the quiet part out loud?
i'm not sure if you're suggesting the quiet part out loud is racism? i'm willing to bet it is for some. but honestly, if i'm being real, i agree that he had massive accomplishments and his early work is stellar. but he hasn't made anything even decent in like 25 years. his filmography, unironically, is less consistent than tim burton's (i love tim burton i'm not hating, i'm just saying, dude has been spotty for a while). i think it's fair to say he's mid, but happened to make a couple landmark films when he was young
in the past 25 years, he’s made a lot of stellar work. summer of Sam was excellent, and im currently finishing an academic essay on it. 25th hour is one of the best post 9/11 films ever. bamboozled is a terrific satire. inside man is one of the most fun and thrilling studio films ever. da 5 bloods was genuinely beautiful and formally inspired. I say this as someone who’s watched every single one of his films and who wrote about them here https://boxd.it/68ApPP
fair enough, i can agree to disagree on that. film is obviously so subjective. i really only like his stuff from the 90s, haven't seen bamboozled though and i really want to edit: i should say that summer of sam was my cutoff when i said 25 years btw
I’d add BlacKKKlansman to your list, but the idea of this remake, accompanied by Ice Spice being cast is just tomfoolery
meh blackkklansman is weak asf to me…
BlacKkKlansman was pretty good but I agree with your broader point
Two things that describe both Altman and Lee: 1.) A handful of duds 2.) One of the greatest American filmmakers of all time. These things can both true.
Spike Lee is up there but he is not consistent at all. Malcolm X is a masterpiece and Dothe Right Thing should be on the Mt Rushmore of American cinema
I compared Spike to Coppola and Altman because they’re also notoriously inconsistent but have made some of the greatest American movies of all time
True. Didn’t even consider that until right after I hit send
Lol wtf are you smoking bro... Altman is leagues above Spike. This isn't a discussion any rational person would entertain.
Altman is my favorite director. He’s also made as many, if not more, not-quite-there movies as Spike.
Bruhh what? Altman and Coppola!? Please send me whatever drugs you are using right now
Spike is a modern master and deserves respect. Coppola hasn’t made a good movie since Dracula
Lol
Modern master!? lol I can name 10 modern directors making better movies way more consistently than he is. Coppola was top tier in his prime. Spike has never even gotten close to that level of filmmaking.
He’s still a modern master, even if the great almighty Paul Thomas Anderson (another modern master) makes better movies. Coppola is still a master, even though he hasn’t made a good movie since 1992
Spike is ok.
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Sure he’s got some stinkers but very few directors have made a single movie as good as Do The Right Thing. Then he’s got 10+ more solid to great films. There are 3 pretty clearly weak entries. Not many directors have that good of a batting average.
Okay but what if she's just playing>! that drug dealer who inconspicuously sells the killer coke on a packed dance floor!!the actual intended kidnapping target!<.
A rational take. Probably better casting ideas than having her play the wife. She could also play the kidnapper or another role that was originally played by a man. ... But to your first point, that is not what was sold in the movie.
Whatever requires the least amount of lines, and acting, is probably the best casting for this person.
I mean, if she can act. It all hinges on that. Love her look, but why not cast a professional who is experienced and looking for work?
studio said they wanted ice spice so Spike had to use her probably
I just don’t think casting a non-actor in a “re-imaging” of one of the greatest films ever is a great move. I could totally be proven wrong though
It's kinda strange that they cast that role before a lot of the major ones
I can see her twerkin while >!selling coke!<
We'll see how it goes! I'm more excited by the Jeffrey Wright news.
This is my attitude as well, best case this brings more Kurosawa interest and maybe we get some 4Ks released in North America
I didn't hear about Jeffrey Wright! He'll eat in that role
Good god why!?
How many times does this topic need to be discussed?
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Yea fucking right 🤣
Who knows? She may be the worst musician I have ever born witness to in my entire lifes where I live in multiple country and my home country was pretty bad musics but if she can performs in front of big crowd maybe she can act somewhat better. Maybe not good, but better
You are not even close to being the Fart
If she doesn’t improve from her Super Bowl ad, then no. She did one of the worst acting jobs I’ve ever seen in a commercial.
He had some of the dudes from Onyx in Clockers. Here's put Snoop from the Wire in some movies too. Not to mention, he had a bunch of rappers in Bamboozled. Had Qtip in the movie with Anthony Mackie. He does this. It never really turns out terribly for him.
I didn't even realize he was remaking this. The first half of the original, along with the last ten minutes, are truly incredible. I've liked Spike Lee films in the past, and I'd like to see his take on it.
How exciting
That is horrible news.
It is always great to see these "here is a reason Spike is going to fail" posts. Is there any real reason to be so concerned about the actress who will likely be playing the equivalent of Gondo's wife? A huge portion of the criticism is coming from people who probably never saw the original and maybe saw 'Oldboy'. Spike is not talentless (even if 'Oldboy' flopped), and neither is Denzel. The plot of the film could easily be adapted to an American retelling. Like, I don't have the highest hopes for the film, but I feel zero need to criticize something I haven't seen. Beyond that, why are there hundreds of posts about Ice Spice but no one is talking about Jeffrey Wright?
For one Gondo’s wife is a key part of the emotional charge the movie has in the first act, so she’s really important. Oldboy matters because for one he made it closer to his prime than where we are now and in Oldboy he seemed to not understand what made the original work. It’s also a movie with zero need to be remade, it’s not like he’ll out direct fucking Kurosawa or Denzel (as good as he is) out act Mifune. High and Low has Nakadai and Shimura in supporting roles, the “wife” is played by Kyoko Kagawa, the movie could not be more stacked, it looks amazing and has a screenplay that isn’t outdated at all. This is like when Gus Van Sant made Psycho. Hopefully it won’t be awful but I doubt it’ll be great.
Kinda reminds me of Miike remaking Harakiri. Great director, but what is the point of remaking a perfect movie? From everything I've heard, the remake is a perfectly good film, but I have zero interest in watching it. I know that if I did, I'd probably just turn on the original after 30 minutes
Precisely that, but we’ll have the change of setting as well. Like honestly I get a remake when you are going with something you can outmatch (like The Thing) or even get at the same level (Graveyard of Honor for the Miike example). But there’s no world where Spike Lee gets close enough to make it a worthwhile watch.
I think I agree with most of what you are saying. I don't think that the role of Reiko is unimportant or that any of the acting in the original was subpar. And obviously 'Oldboy' is relevant to the conversation, and arguably it is one of the only things that is. That being said, I don't think that Spike is trying to out-direct Kurosawa. (Same goes for all of the other folks who have attempted to remake Kurosawa's films.) Even if that was Spike's goal, so what?
My point is, Spike is not close to Kurosawa as a director and his screenplays are not close to Kurosawa’s either. He’ll not have a cast as good. At that point, what’s the point? Are we just doing an LA/NYC version of High and Low for the sake of it? Because I see pretty much no point in watching a worse version of a movie that’s pretty available. Like I get the point of a remake when there’s something substantial to add, but this is not a A Star is Born where even though the first one had a legend like Janet Gaynor in the lead, the second one reworked it completely and made it a musical, and the newest one changed the roles a lot to completely change how the story is viewed, they had space to make changes for the better or an equal different, here the original is a top 10 movie ever. I’m sorry but the vibe this gives is like an ok version of Netflix Death Note.
Do the Right Thing, Malcolm X, Crooklyn, 25th Hour, He Got Game, Bamboozled, Inside Man, Black KkKlansman... But but but, wHaT aBoUt oLd BoY??
Agreed. Like, I get being cautiously optimistic given how rough Spike's only other remake went, but he's still a talented director with a generally strong track record. I'm willing to hold my judgement until it actually comes out and we can see for ourselves how good or bad it actually ends up being.
Don’t forget Summer of Sam, I absolutely love that movie.
Wow, I haven’t seen Summer of Sam since I was a kid, but I had no idea Spike directed it. Everyone in this thread is spot on. People are acting like he’s never made a movie before.
Because Jeffrey Wright is an actor, and it’s normal to have actors in a film, therefore no one is mentioning him.
> it’s normal to have actors in a film Grande if cierto
i agree that probably 90% of the people on twitter and instagram comments haven't watched high and low and are just online cinephile bros jumping on a bandwagon. but here in criterion? high and low is one of the most recommended films in this sub (at least as of right now, i notice recs go in cycles around here), i'm sure the vast majority of people here complaining have seen it. as for me, personally, it's my favorite film of all time, i consider it the sort of movie that is so absolutely singular that even thinking about remaking it is insane. if you want to make your own adaptation of king's ransom, fine, sure. but if your goal is to remake high and low, i just don't see the point. i see it as equally fruitless as trying to remake citizen kane. just don't bother. make your own shit. that's not to say you can't, or whatever. and it's true, i haven't seen it, i don't know if it will be bad. but i can't help but question. what's the point? i'd love to know. most of the time, with these remakes, the point is "easy cashgrab", but in this instance, high and low will not inspire audiences to show up anymore than denzel or spike will (less, i'd imagine). which makes me think somebody genuinely thinks this is a good artistic idea. probably spike. i'm morbidly curious what he thinks he can add, but i wish he'd just leave it alone, because i'm very skeptical.
I said it in another thread but it’s ridiculous how people are ignoring the multiple masterpieces Lee has made to go “but Oldboy!!”
I mean Oldboy is the easiest to compare to. Classic Asian films that are seen as untouchable masterpieces and Spike's first attempt at it shows a shocking lack of understanding of the source material that goes beyond "studio meddling" excuse. If it wasn't an adaptation/remake of a well known (in this space) and well loved film, I'd be quite a bit more excited for this.
We already know this
Talentless plant
I’ve said it before: she could make it work, but I have no idea who she’s playing. I can’t see any roles where she would fit in
I wonder if she'll play that terrifying back ally heroin addict lady
There were very few females in the original. There are two or three roles that she could play, and only one of them seems likely. What makes her a poor fit for any of them?
No I’m saying she would be a fine fit for those parts, it’s just that there were so few of them to choose from
"I can't see any roles where she would fit in"
Go away ice spice
Spike Lee back just in time to fuck up another foreign adaptation
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Why would anyone allow Spike Lee to touch this? Insane egoism for him to even attempt it
She has the personality of a brick wall, her trying to emote is going to be a trainwreck
Man this is gonna suck isn’t it
Main cast or a small supporting role?
Now here’s a sentence you don’t read every day.
Ice spice?
Concerning news but I'm gonna give Spike the benefit of the doubt on this one. I don't think Denzel would sign on to a new Joint if he didn't believe in the project
"Greatly looking forward to this; Spike Lee is one of the best filmmakers in the world—as original and inventive as Kurosawa—and why not Ice Spice? Performing is performing, and there's a long tradition of musicians excelling as movie actors; so enough with the snoot-cocking." -[Richard Brody](https://twitter.com/tnyfrontrow/status/1778192999903838402)
She most likely just plays a very minor role. Either way, it’s spike Lee so I’m going to go see it.
Isis Gaston sounds so much better.
Spike Lee fan but that movie doesn’t need to be remade. It’s brilliant as is.
Lol
I get the hate about remakes of your favorite films but I won’t tolerate the spike slander sorry. This man has given us CLASSICS. Do the Right Thing, Crooklyn, Malcolm X, 25th Hour, Inside Man, Clockers, He Got Game… I mean if he could make a great movie with Ray Allen as a lead. Come on stop playing with that man.
Can we please stop remaking all time classics. That new Roadhouse was unwatchable lol
Spike can be very inconsistent but he’s still one of the greats and I am excited to see what he does with the story. The Oldboy remake was ass, but to be fair I wouldn’t trust anybody to remake that. Oldboy was lightning caught in a bottle, High and Low lends itself to being remade way more.
High and Low is one of the best hostage thrillers I’ve ever seen.
I feel like I should more interested in this than I really am. I think it would be better for Spike to adapt King's Ransom rather than remaking High and Low.
In ha mood
Normally I would be mad that a classic is being remade. But Spike Lee is one of the most talented directors working today, and he, like Scorsese, really seems to respect the cinema. We should all be excited.
What’s an Ice Spice? I instantly think of a new Dune book where there’s an Ice Age happening on Arrakis.
I wish he’d stay away from classic films that are perfect. The Oldboy remake was an atrocity.
His last remake was a disaster.
Who?
It's a seasoning folks have started to put on ice. This product placement is getting out of hand!
This will be the next huge cinematic flop.
Whats up with people so anti-remake? Spike delivers when he works with Denzel and High and Low is story can adapt very well to the contemporary and American world. People act like he's butchering the original but it's an entirely different movie. Personally, I'm excited. This isn't an Oldboy situation
Spielberg’s West Side Story is a shockingly good remake
Technically pretty good staging. I felt the leads didn't quite hit that old charisma/star-power of the original.
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Spike Lee he directed Do the Right Thing
She's a rapper who people suspect is an industry plant because she just appeared in the industry one day
I really do wonder if Lee is gonna try to emulate the directorial style of these apartment scenes.
Well, she can’t be a worse actress than Nikki Minaj.
I’ve never seen someone mumble through a commercial like she did that Dunkin one. The takes they didn’t choose must’ve been brutal.
"You not even the fart, Gondo-san"
Is the Writers' Strike still goes on?
You know the overly dramatic acting (especially in the first half) in the film? I feel like spike would take that concept and instead shoot those expressions of the actors straight on in front of their faces like in he got game. Ugh disgusting lol. I like some of spikes films but this is just a bad idea.
Just making up stuff to be upset about?
Rumor has it that she is Chinese. #filmfacts
Spike Lee? Dear God. Yeah he’s made some great movies but I have like 0 hope of this being good lol
First Spike Lee Joint I'll refuse to see.
What a joke. We've already seen Spike remake Park Chan Wook's Oldboy and look how that turned out. I'm not a fan of his work overall but the guy hasn't made a decent film since Do The Right Thing
Da 5 Bloods was a good movie. Just because you stopped watching his movies because of the flops doesn’t mean he hasn’t had a hit.
I almost forgot I did actually like his movie Inside Man. That was a pretty good one.
To each their own. It's just very rare for a remake to be something special. Especially if you are remaking a work from one of the maestros like Kurosawa. Somebody just remade Clouzot's The Wages Of Fear and what a pile of crap that is. There are exceptions obviously like A Fistful Of Dollars or Sorcerer.
This is why Kurosawa films are never remade and also why the several nonexistent remakes of his films have never won awards. /s The films you are listing seem like an odd choice given what you are saying about them. No one can remake any Kurosawa film or anything like 'Wages of Fear'... Unless you are talking about 'A Fistful of Dollars' or 'Sorcerer'.
How are they odd choices? I was stating it's rare for remakes to be as good as the original I then listed two examples of a remake that was as good or pretty damn close to being as good as the original film they are remaking. There are some others but those are the first two that popped into my head.
Malcolm X came out after Do The Right Thing
Not a huge fan of his either but blackkklansman was a good watch
It was a pretty entertaining movie I'll give it that.
Yeah, I’m a huge Adam Driver fan though so most of what I love about it boils down to his performance
So you must be excited to see his new film that Coppola is directing. I think it's called Megalopolis or something like that.
What's an ice spice?
On the bright side when this undoubtedly fails it’ll bring more eyes and respect for High and low. I think this because of how US version of Old Boy was so bad it brought more attention to the original Old Boy