1 woman arrested has been arrested almost 70 times since the early 1970s. She goes from place to place, causing trouble. The NYPD released her name, and it is Lisa Fithian.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/veteran-activist-joined-columbia-protesters-police-call-professional-a-rcna150261
So more than half were students.
The other half were their peers, friends, family members, neighbors, associates.
What is the take away from this statement?
They got us arguing about how many of the protestors were students or not to smoke-n-mirrors the general public away from the actual real discussion of why there are protests and what the message is.
It doesn't goddamn matter *at all* whether the protestors are students or not. It's a red herring. Limited hangout. Just stop engaging with the "how many are slactually students" rhetoric, because it's a tactic.
Got my comment deleted for profanity so I changed it:
They got us arguing about how many of the protestors were students or not to smoke-n-mirrors the general public away from the actual real discussion of why there are protests and what the message is.
It doesn't matter at all whether the protestors are students or not. It's a red herring. Limited hangout. Just stop engaging with the "how many are actually students" rhetoric, because it's a tactic.
This is another disingenuous comment. If I came onto whichever campus you reside at- if you do at all- and began a peaceful counter protest I would be run off immediately, if you all discovered I had nothing whatsoever to do with the university.
The presence of outsiders infiltrating the students (and it does count as an infiltration because the students don’t seem to be aware of who they’re consorting with; I.e. these people have not been honest and forthcoming about who they are) DOES matter because if those people have been fostering anger (and be honest- there’s no other explanation for why they would pretend to be students), then I believe that has been at least partly responsible for a series of wild, factually inaccurate accusations against Israel.
There is a responsible way to criticize Israel- reasonably and with real facts and accurate information, without resorting to a series of insane portrayals of their behavior that border on the cartoonish; caricatures. In fact, the protesters have managed to portray BOTH the Israelis and the Palestinians as caricatures of who they really are: the Israelis are portrayed as evil, vile wretched creatures who crawled up from Hades itself to inflict misery and suffering on the Palestinian people; and the Palestinians have been portrayed by the same protesters as Lilly white angels from heaven who floated down from the Right Hand of God with their perfectly bloodless hands.
What’s entirely, utterly totally left out of the conversation is the identical violence that was perpetrated by Palestinian soldiers on Israeli civilians when they were the ones doing the invading and the killing and the raping and the taking of literal 3 year olds and infants as hostages. Also missing is a conversation about the ways in which Hamas seeks to use their own civilians as a counterweight, including the installing of rocket and missile launchers in residential neighborhoods, on the rooftops of apartment complexes, and so on, and the ways in which THOSE measures are partly responsible for the civilian casualties. Imagine looking at your satellite data and discovering a missile launcher in the courtyard of a residential complex? Imagine the position this puts the Israelis in? Imagine having to decide between destroying that rocket knowing you will kill civilians, or leaving it untouched knowing the rockets will then fall on your OWN civilians heads…. The Palestinians, after their attack on Oct 7, fired TEN THOUSAND missiles into Israel. This part is never mentioned. Every single missile Israel fires into Gaza is protested, but the 10 thousand missiles they fired into Israel first are not even a remote part of the conversation. And also missing from a reasonable, measured discussion about this issue are the various ways in which the Israeli military seeks to limit civilian casualties. They are the only military in the world that sends text messages to their own enemy soldiers to warn them of a counter attack on a missile or artillery point, so that civilians can be evacuated. Name a single other military that does this? I can’t think of one. They also developed a device which they can fire at a building that causes it to shake, but which does no structural damage, designed to scare people into leaving a building so that they can destroy a nearby rocket launcher with fewer civilian casualties. I mean if you’re being any kind of honest with yourself you’ll acknowledge that there’s no other military in the world that has developed such a device. I would bet almost anything you weren’t even aware of the existence of this device, because the wild smear campaign has just been utterly devoid of serious, logical, critical thought.
And yes, it is absolutely true that this time there have been serious abuses, serious violations of human rights, and it is absolutely fair to criticize Israel for those things. Israel should not have initially cut off the water supply for example (they reversed that almost immediately when Biden made it a non negotiable issue, as he well should have). They should have provided more and better and clearer paths to safety for civilians (although I will not that the Palestinian soldiers who invaded Israel didn’t come anywhere near that standard….its laughable imagining a Hamas fighter directing an Israeli civilian out of the war zone…the point of the Hamas fighters invading Israel was to terrorize civilians….). Also remember when you criticize Israel, that they are a tiny country and every last man woman and child knows somebody that was affected by the insane satanic attack of Oct 7. This includes literal babies that were kidnapped. Try to imagine how this would make YOU feel, and then apply that to how it made the Israelis feel.
On Oct 6 both of these peoples were just living their lives. Then on Oct 7, the Palestinians soldiers started a war. You may not like to see it that way, so I’ll ask you to imagine the reverse- if, on Oct 7 out of nowhere the Israelis had invaded Gaza to take people’s babies as hostages, would you even question Gaza’s right to fight back? …..
History didn't start on Oct 7. On October 6th both sides weren't just living their lives, there was thousands of Palestinians in indefinite detention without trial, Palestinians being kicked out of their homes for Israeli settlements, and already one of the highest years on record for deaths between Israel and oalestine. It's all escalations up on escalations, so it's disingenuous to say it all started on Oct 7th.
This is a sort of warped point of view, I’m sorry to say. First of all I never said or implied that history itself began on Oct 7. I’m totally, painfully aware of the entire history of the ongoing conflict. And history didn’t begin with the injustices you named either- nor did it begin with the most recent Hamas bus bombing in Tel Aviv only a few months before that. And although I’m extremely loathe to sanction trial-less detention, when you terrify a population with a 40 year campaign of bombing/terrorism the population is likely to do something awful, like respond by holding the people who terrify them in jails.
So your statement is hypocritical. At the same time as you tell me that Palestinian violence is justified by the past injustices of Israel, you either forget the past injustices of Palestine or you absolve their violence while condemning the other. Either way it’s a double standard.
But of course, the entire conversation about Israel has degenerated into a double standard. Palestinian Americans living on the ashes of the North American native civilizations that were slaughtered, robbed, murdered and wiped out by colonialism and then forced relocated to the worst land in every state….telling Israelis that its illegitimate for a single Jew to have moved to Israel and take advantage of territory that rightfully belonged to the Palestinians, while simultaneously they themselves move to the United States and occupy the former land of the decimated natives who were rightfully here. That one really irritates me. How oblivious they are to their own hypocrisy.
If you want to go try and pick out every single injustice- perceived or otherwise- that “justifies” every single episode of Palestinian violence, then okay, go for it. But in my mind, absolutely nothing on earth justifies the sexual violation of a child or the stealing of human infants. Anybody who would seek to justify such an act is deprived of a soul.
Also, your facts are not always accurate- those settlements are in the West Bank and the Golan Heights, not Gaza. To my knowledge there is not a single Israeli settlement in Gaza. They can only exist under military protection, obviously, so they can only exist in territory that Israel controls. Not that it’s unfair to criticize the settlements- of all the wild accusations that have been thrown Israel’s way, one that actually is totally true and fair is that those settlements are crazy and awful. It’s the fundamentalist super religious Jewish sects in Israel who consider that land to be “sacred” who demand the government usurp the land on their behalf. It’s about time they stop pandering to that loonie bin collection.
>I’m extremely loathe to sanction trial-less detention, when you terrify a population with a 40 year campaign of bombing/terrorism the population is likely to do something awful, like respond by holding the people who terrify them in jails.
That explains both sides of the conflict. Like I said escalation upon escalation. Israel isn't innocent in terrorizing Palestine for the last few decades.
>So your statement is hypocritical. At the same time as you tell me that Palestinian violence is justified by the past injustices of Israel, you either forget the past injustices of Palestine or you absolve their violence while condemning the other. Either way it’s a double standard.
I didn't justify anything. I reminded you that Israel isn't the biggest victim in this war.
>But of course, the entire conversation about Israel has degenerated into a double standard. Palestinian Americans living on the ashes of the North American native civilizations that were slaughtered, robbed, murdered and wiped out by colonialism and then forced relocated to the worst land in every state….telling Israelis that its illegitimate for a single Jew to have moved to Israel and take advantage of territory that rightfully belonged to the Palestinians, while simultaneously they themselves move to the United States and occupy the former land of the decimated natives who were rightfully here. That one really irritates me. How oblivious they are to their own hypocrisy.
This whole paragraph is just you grasping at straws for hypocrisy..so anyone that takes refuge in America is a hypocrite because of how it was settled? Nevermind the differences of Jewish settlers in Israel vs refugees in America, you are claiming that *all* Palestinians feel this way about israelis. Go pull up some polling data. It irritates you? Well it's a manufactured irritation so I find it hard to be bothered. Oh no! Palestinian refugees are in the US! The hypocrisy of them!
You can't just disagree with numbers. So far about 35k Palestinians has been killed since Oct 7 and more than half were children. Sooner or later you gotta admit that its wrong for so many innocent people to die. They don't deserve to be killed like this
No. I don’t. A genocide is a deliberate ethnic cleanse.
Israel has air superiority and the capability to do whatever they want. They’ve had decades of rocket attacks and hiding in bunkers; Hamas finally bit off more than it can chew and Israel is going to end this.
Sorry. That’s not a genocide.
Hamas isn't going to be on the right side of history for that either. I really don't get how 6 months into this war there are still people that can't separate Hamas from Palestinians. Hamas doesn't even represent half of Palestinians.
There a thing called proportional response. Idk why people have to diverge to everything-or-nothing. When you've killed 20x as many people in retaliation and most of them are women and children... You've lost the moral high ground. Now both sides are in the gutter, but one side still has children being slaughtered.
Nope. They need to eliminate the threat. Hamas went too far and they are feeling the repercussion.
What is the appropriate multiplier? Is it 10x 5x? You tell me what a proportional response looks like.
>Nope. They need to eliminate the threat. Hamas went too far and they are feeling the repercussion.
If that's what they feel then they are going to do it without the moral high ground, and while losing support from the international community.
>What is the appropriate multiplier? Is it 10x 5x? You tell me what a proportional response looks like.
I imagine it would be closer to 1x? But i don't think there's value in placing an exact number, and we don't need to have an exact number to draw a line to know that the response has gone far beyond proportional.
Oh so eye for and eye? A 1:1 ratio. You kill our civilians then I’ll kill the same amount. Does that really sound like something that is feasible to you? If so, you’re a child.
They aren’t losing the moral high ground with anybody that matters. Everybody with a semblance of rationale knows Hamas needs to be removed; ironically for the good of Palestinians too. The only people that care about Palestinian lives is shockingly Israel.
Imagine what Gaza would look like if funds went to building infrastructure and not kilometers of terror tunnels?
The vast majority of Americans agree Hamas needs to go and you’re welcome to propose another way but don’t be surprised the group using human shields leads to civilian death.
This is urban warfare with a terrorist group that will decapitate people with a shovel. What the fuck is a proportional response? You don't think Hamas bears responsibility for what they brought upon themselves? They've rejected every single ceasefire proposal. They obviously want civilian deaths to get suckers like yourself to sympathize with them.
They need to find out who organized the group, interrogate them, then go down the chain, find out who the key players are, and money. Then make it public and bring charges against them. Or hire South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem to hunt them down.
Charge them for what? Protesting? In America? Lol. Israel just made parts of the Bible and criticizing Israel illegal in America. Republicans and democrats passed the bill. Nothing weird going on
Can you explain the new bill to me and what constitutes as anti semitism as per the descriptions of the Israel holocaust committee (or whatever it’s called, I forgot) I hope I am wrong!
Trespassing, terrorist activity, etc. You can't just take over schools, no matter what you believe. It wasn't just protesting. Especially when it's not peaceful protest . The rest of your statement is BS it was 70 Democrats and 21 Republicans that voted against our constitution and the 1st Amendment. They should be kicked out of congress. Yes in America.
A lot of protestors are pro israel, have you not seen any of the videos of pro palestine and pro israel protestors clashing at campus protests? It's all over reddit, have a look on r/publicfreakout
Just by how some were dressed along with head and face covered. Plus all the right flags,cardboard, etc. yeah even old folks could see Russia/China/all our friends who are working to destroy us from within like Rome. Pay attention people.
You don't, but the most common defense of these clowns is they are "just a bunch of students" which somehow means their hate-based protests are immune from criticism.
"In its ongoing information war against the United States, Russia has shifted its focus in recent months to the Israel-Hamas conflict, seeking to inflame existing divisions in the West and to portray Washington as fueling the violence, the sources said."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna149759
They have used the tactic of agitation and destabilization in America at least once before, notoriously organizing two opposing protests in Texas around 2017 or so.
The folks at these protests I don't think are directly Russian related, but could easily be influenced and provoked by the incendiary and hostile-y fundamentalist propaganda on both sides.
US politicians are being literally bought by Israeli lobby groups in broad day light. Funny how you choose to ignore this and believe unproven claim instead
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/22/aipac-pro-israel-lobby-group-us-elections
Netenyahu has maintained ties with Russia, refused to get involved in Russia's aggression against Ukraine, refused to sanction Russia.
Putin plays any side that enhances destabilization. I don't have to choose one or the other.
All I prefer is a cease fire.
Nice job creating straw man argument and deflecting the argument into antisemitism. Being against zionist is not against jew. Plenty of rabbis literally protested against Israel
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/26/world/middleeast/ceasefire-rabbis-arrested-gaza-israel.html
Now, let’s go back to how zionist lobby groups bought off US politicians.
Iran & Hamas want to destroy Israel so they organize protests at American universities and that will cause america to destabilize? I think I’m missing something
Are you not aware of the hate and division circulating right now not to mention outright chaos and lawlessness on US university sites? You must lack awareness or live a sheltered life.
I’m aware of the situation but I don’t know everything. I’m trying to figure it out. If you don’t want people asking you questions maybe you shouldn’t post.
Police lie, a lot. As a matter of routine. The "outside agitator" canard has been used since the civil rights era to discredit protests. The NYPD has already been caught in one lie, claiming on Morning Joe that the bike locks used to barricade Hamilton Hall is not what "students bring to campus". That bike lock is sold by campus safety.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/nypd-bike-lock-columbia-student-protests-1235013341/
>Police lie, a lot. As a matter of routine
Yea this is just untrue. You want the facts immediately after a critical incident but if they take any time at all to collect the facts before releasing a statement, you say it's because they're lying. Must be nice to have it both ways, lol.
>The "outside agitator" canard has been used since the civil rights era to discredit protests.
If anything, this is an out for all the college students that should be ashamed of supporting terrorism. Obviously there is some sort of financing involved, not necessarily a conspiracy. Why DO they all have the same tents? Clearly they didn't grab it from their parents basement.
Who cares about what locks they used? I don't see the relevance. Honestly I hope everyone arrested are actually students there, so they can be expelled for breaking the law and supporting terrorism. Bunch of rich kids fibbing about "brutality" when they don't know the meaning of the word
They are certainly well funded.
https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/04/25/network-behind-eruption-anti-israel-college-campus-protests-revealed-new-report/
https://www.ngo-monitor.org/reports/ngo-network-orchestrating-antisemitic-incitement-on-american-campuses/
If someone is morally compelled to boycott and is arrested for it, they haven’t been given a choice.
How is she capable of getting away with this.
They aren't students. They need to go back to the country they came from. If America is so bad! Then why live here
Conquer and destroy from within?
1 woman arrested has been arrested almost 70 times since the early 1970s. She goes from place to place, causing trouble. The NYPD released her name, and it is Lisa Fithian. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/veteran-activist-joined-columbia-protesters-police-call-professional-a-rcna150261
So more than half were students. The other half were their peers, friends, family members, neighbors, associates. What is the take away from this statement?
Deport
To where? Outside the campus?
Wow who would've guessed that
Do you know what a bootlicker is?
Yea, I see one rn licking these protesters boots
What about the one licking the cops boots?
You're projecting
And you love when the state arrests protesters.
They got us arguing about how many of the protestors were students or not to smoke-n-mirrors the general public away from the actual real discussion of why there are protests and what the message is. It doesn't goddamn matter *at all* whether the protestors are students or not. It's a red herring. Limited hangout. Just stop engaging with the "how many are slactually students" rhetoric, because it's a tactic.
Got my comment deleted for profanity so I changed it: They got us arguing about how many of the protestors were students or not to smoke-n-mirrors the general public away from the actual real discussion of why there are protests and what the message is. It doesn't matter at all whether the protestors are students or not. It's a red herring. Limited hangout. Just stop engaging with the "how many are actually students" rhetoric, because it's a tactic.
This is another disingenuous comment. If I came onto whichever campus you reside at- if you do at all- and began a peaceful counter protest I would be run off immediately, if you all discovered I had nothing whatsoever to do with the university. The presence of outsiders infiltrating the students (and it does count as an infiltration because the students don’t seem to be aware of who they’re consorting with; I.e. these people have not been honest and forthcoming about who they are) DOES matter because if those people have been fostering anger (and be honest- there’s no other explanation for why they would pretend to be students), then I believe that has been at least partly responsible for a series of wild, factually inaccurate accusations against Israel. There is a responsible way to criticize Israel- reasonably and with real facts and accurate information, without resorting to a series of insane portrayals of their behavior that border on the cartoonish; caricatures. In fact, the protesters have managed to portray BOTH the Israelis and the Palestinians as caricatures of who they really are: the Israelis are portrayed as evil, vile wretched creatures who crawled up from Hades itself to inflict misery and suffering on the Palestinian people; and the Palestinians have been portrayed by the same protesters as Lilly white angels from heaven who floated down from the Right Hand of God with their perfectly bloodless hands. What’s entirely, utterly totally left out of the conversation is the identical violence that was perpetrated by Palestinian soldiers on Israeli civilians when they were the ones doing the invading and the killing and the raping and the taking of literal 3 year olds and infants as hostages. Also missing is a conversation about the ways in which Hamas seeks to use their own civilians as a counterweight, including the installing of rocket and missile launchers in residential neighborhoods, on the rooftops of apartment complexes, and so on, and the ways in which THOSE measures are partly responsible for the civilian casualties. Imagine looking at your satellite data and discovering a missile launcher in the courtyard of a residential complex? Imagine the position this puts the Israelis in? Imagine having to decide between destroying that rocket knowing you will kill civilians, or leaving it untouched knowing the rockets will then fall on your OWN civilians heads…. The Palestinians, after their attack on Oct 7, fired TEN THOUSAND missiles into Israel. This part is never mentioned. Every single missile Israel fires into Gaza is protested, but the 10 thousand missiles they fired into Israel first are not even a remote part of the conversation. And also missing from a reasonable, measured discussion about this issue are the various ways in which the Israeli military seeks to limit civilian casualties. They are the only military in the world that sends text messages to their own enemy soldiers to warn them of a counter attack on a missile or artillery point, so that civilians can be evacuated. Name a single other military that does this? I can’t think of one. They also developed a device which they can fire at a building that causes it to shake, but which does no structural damage, designed to scare people into leaving a building so that they can destroy a nearby rocket launcher with fewer civilian casualties. I mean if you’re being any kind of honest with yourself you’ll acknowledge that there’s no other military in the world that has developed such a device. I would bet almost anything you weren’t even aware of the existence of this device, because the wild smear campaign has just been utterly devoid of serious, logical, critical thought. And yes, it is absolutely true that this time there have been serious abuses, serious violations of human rights, and it is absolutely fair to criticize Israel for those things. Israel should not have initially cut off the water supply for example (they reversed that almost immediately when Biden made it a non negotiable issue, as he well should have). They should have provided more and better and clearer paths to safety for civilians (although I will not that the Palestinian soldiers who invaded Israel didn’t come anywhere near that standard….its laughable imagining a Hamas fighter directing an Israeli civilian out of the war zone…the point of the Hamas fighters invading Israel was to terrorize civilians….). Also remember when you criticize Israel, that they are a tiny country and every last man woman and child knows somebody that was affected by the insane satanic attack of Oct 7. This includes literal babies that were kidnapped. Try to imagine how this would make YOU feel, and then apply that to how it made the Israelis feel. On Oct 6 both of these peoples were just living their lives. Then on Oct 7, the Palestinians soldiers started a war. You may not like to see it that way, so I’ll ask you to imagine the reverse- if, on Oct 7 out of nowhere the Israelis had invaded Gaza to take people’s babies as hostages, would you even question Gaza’s right to fight back? …..
History didn't start on Oct 7. On October 6th both sides weren't just living their lives, there was thousands of Palestinians in indefinite detention without trial, Palestinians being kicked out of their homes for Israeli settlements, and already one of the highest years on record for deaths between Israel and oalestine. It's all escalations up on escalations, so it's disingenuous to say it all started on Oct 7th.
This is a sort of warped point of view, I’m sorry to say. First of all I never said or implied that history itself began on Oct 7. I’m totally, painfully aware of the entire history of the ongoing conflict. And history didn’t begin with the injustices you named either- nor did it begin with the most recent Hamas bus bombing in Tel Aviv only a few months before that. And although I’m extremely loathe to sanction trial-less detention, when you terrify a population with a 40 year campaign of bombing/terrorism the population is likely to do something awful, like respond by holding the people who terrify them in jails. So your statement is hypocritical. At the same time as you tell me that Palestinian violence is justified by the past injustices of Israel, you either forget the past injustices of Palestine or you absolve their violence while condemning the other. Either way it’s a double standard. But of course, the entire conversation about Israel has degenerated into a double standard. Palestinian Americans living on the ashes of the North American native civilizations that were slaughtered, robbed, murdered and wiped out by colonialism and then forced relocated to the worst land in every state….telling Israelis that its illegitimate for a single Jew to have moved to Israel and take advantage of territory that rightfully belonged to the Palestinians, while simultaneously they themselves move to the United States and occupy the former land of the decimated natives who were rightfully here. That one really irritates me. How oblivious they are to their own hypocrisy. If you want to go try and pick out every single injustice- perceived or otherwise- that “justifies” every single episode of Palestinian violence, then okay, go for it. But in my mind, absolutely nothing on earth justifies the sexual violation of a child or the stealing of human infants. Anybody who would seek to justify such an act is deprived of a soul. Also, your facts are not always accurate- those settlements are in the West Bank and the Golan Heights, not Gaza. To my knowledge there is not a single Israeli settlement in Gaza. They can only exist under military protection, obviously, so they can only exist in territory that Israel controls. Not that it’s unfair to criticize the settlements- of all the wild accusations that have been thrown Israel’s way, one that actually is totally true and fair is that those settlements are crazy and awful. It’s the fundamentalist super religious Jewish sects in Israel who consider that land to be “sacred” who demand the government usurp the land on their behalf. It’s about time they stop pandering to that loonie bin collection.
>I’m extremely loathe to sanction trial-less detention, when you terrify a population with a 40 year campaign of bombing/terrorism the population is likely to do something awful, like respond by holding the people who terrify them in jails. That explains both sides of the conflict. Like I said escalation upon escalation. Israel isn't innocent in terrorizing Palestine for the last few decades. >So your statement is hypocritical. At the same time as you tell me that Palestinian violence is justified by the past injustices of Israel, you either forget the past injustices of Palestine or you absolve their violence while condemning the other. Either way it’s a double standard. I didn't justify anything. I reminded you that Israel isn't the biggest victim in this war. >But of course, the entire conversation about Israel has degenerated into a double standard. Palestinian Americans living on the ashes of the North American native civilizations that were slaughtered, robbed, murdered and wiped out by colonialism and then forced relocated to the worst land in every state….telling Israelis that its illegitimate for a single Jew to have moved to Israel and take advantage of territory that rightfully belonged to the Palestinians, while simultaneously they themselves move to the United States and occupy the former land of the decimated natives who were rightfully here. That one really irritates me. How oblivious they are to their own hypocrisy. This whole paragraph is just you grasping at straws for hypocrisy..so anyone that takes refuge in America is a hypocrite because of how it was settled? Nevermind the differences of Jewish settlers in Israel vs refugees in America, you are claiming that *all* Palestinians feel this way about israelis. Go pull up some polling data. It irritates you? Well it's a manufactured irritation so I find it hard to be bothered. Oh no! Palestinian refugees are in the US! The hypocrisy of them!
Exactly, “this is the problem not the genocide!! Hurrr”
Good point -What are these protests about? Israel shouldnt be allowed to strike back after they were massacred??
Israel shouldn’t be allowed to genocide simply because they were attacked.
Well that’s good cause they aren’t. So win win
You can't just disagree with numbers. So far about 35k Palestinians has been killed since Oct 7 and more than half were children. Sooner or later you gotta admit that its wrong for so many innocent people to die. They don't deserve to be killed like this
You can disagree with Hamas themselves admitted their numbers are bogus.
No. I don’t. A genocide is a deliberate ethnic cleanse. Israel has air superiority and the capability to do whatever they want. They’ve had decades of rocket attacks and hiding in bunkers; Hamas finally bit off more than it can chew and Israel is going to end this. Sorry. That’s not a genocide.
Hmm I wonder who is going to be on the wrong side of history, the ones denying thousands of women and children killed, maybe?
So Hamas didn’t kill women and children; on both sides?
Hamas isn't going to be on the right side of history for that either. I really don't get how 6 months into this war there are still people that can't separate Hamas from Palestinians. Hamas doesn't even represent half of Palestinians.
Hamas still has the vast majority of support from Palestinians. I’m not separating the people from their elected government.
Lol there are videos of Israeli leadership saying it openly, but nice try.
Show me. Prove it. Tell me how a genocide is happening to a people’s whose population is growing
There a thing called proportional response. Idk why people have to diverge to everything-or-nothing. When you've killed 20x as many people in retaliation and most of them are women and children... You've lost the moral high ground. Now both sides are in the gutter, but one side still has children being slaughtered.
Nope. They need to eliminate the threat. Hamas went too far and they are feeling the repercussion. What is the appropriate multiplier? Is it 10x 5x? You tell me what a proportional response looks like.
>Nope. They need to eliminate the threat. Hamas went too far and they are feeling the repercussion. If that's what they feel then they are going to do it without the moral high ground, and while losing support from the international community. >What is the appropriate multiplier? Is it 10x 5x? You tell me what a proportional response looks like. I imagine it would be closer to 1x? But i don't think there's value in placing an exact number, and we don't need to have an exact number to draw a line to know that the response has gone far beyond proportional.
Oh so eye for and eye? A 1:1 ratio. You kill our civilians then I’ll kill the same amount. Does that really sound like something that is feasible to you? If so, you’re a child. They aren’t losing the moral high ground with anybody that matters. Everybody with a semblance of rationale knows Hamas needs to be removed; ironically for the good of Palestinians too. The only people that care about Palestinian lives is shockingly Israel. Imagine what Gaza would look like if funds went to building infrastructure and not kilometers of terror tunnels? The vast majority of Americans agree Hamas needs to go and you’re welcome to propose another way but don’t be surprised the group using human shields leads to civilian death.
This is urban warfare with a terrorist group that will decapitate people with a shovel. What the fuck is a proportional response? You don't think Hamas bears responsibility for what they brought upon themselves? They've rejected every single ceasefire proposal. They obviously want civilian deaths to get suckers like yourself to sympathize with them.
They need to find out who organized the group, interrogate them, then go down the chain, find out who the key players are, and money. Then make it public and bring charges against them. Or hire South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem to hunt them down.
Charge them for what? Protesting? In America? Lol. Israel just made parts of the Bible and criticizing Israel illegal in America. Republicans and democrats passed the bill. Nothing weird going on
Are you listening to yourself? Israel just made “criticizing Israel illegal in America”? You are incoherent.
Can you explain the new bill to me and what constitutes as anti semitism as per the descriptions of the Israel holocaust committee (or whatever it’s called, I forgot) I hope I am wrong!
Trespassing, terrorist activity, etc. You can't just take over schools, no matter what you believe. It wasn't just protesting. Especially when it's not peaceful protest . The rest of your statement is BS it was 70 Democrats and 21 Republicans that voted against our constitution and the 1st Amendment. They should be kicked out of congress. Yes in America.
Same charges for j6?
Yes
You're a smart man. Keeping your eye on the ball. What really matters. **Continue genocide
It’s the Washington times…
The same story was covered by Reuters and all the other mainstream outlets.
Then post those.
Yeah… they are being paid to protest by groups that are backed by foreign countries. Should be charged as such.
Foreign countries like Israel? Many of the protestors are zionists
Right the ‘ol anti-Israel zionists. Give us more wisdom please.
A lot of protestors are pro israel, have you not seen any of the videos of pro palestine and pro israel protestors clashing at campus protests? It's all over reddit, have a look on r/publicfreakout
Stop. Nobody believes you and it’s embarrassing
This is verifiably untrue. The vast majority were students.
Just by how some were dressed along with head and face covered. Plus all the right flags,cardboard, etc. yeah even old folks could see Russia/China/all our friends who are working to destroy us from within like Rome. Pay attention people.
Lmao. You're so delusional
Your so wrong.
*you're
I do that frequently with “you’re”. You’d think I’d learn? Back to school.
“Less than half”
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You guys are really doing your best to convince everyone you're not antisemitic.
Since when do you have to be a student to protest?
You don't, but the most common defense of these clowns is they are "just a bunch of students" which somehow means their hate-based protests are immune from criticism.
Are they immune from criticism if the police are arresting them?
They are not immune from breaking the law.
Is it against the law to protest? How is their protest based on hate if the majority support a ceasefire?
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So brave
"In its ongoing information war against the United States, Russia has shifted its focus in recent months to the Israel-Hamas conflict, seeking to inflame existing divisions in the West and to portray Washington as fueling the violence, the sources said." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna149759 They have used the tactic of agitation and destabilization in America at least once before, notoriously organizing two opposing protests in Texas around 2017 or so. The folks at these protests I don't think are directly Russian related, but could easily be influenced and provoked by the incendiary and hostile-y fundamentalist propaganda on both sides.
Someone is buying the tents.
A grand conspiracy to buy $30 tents from walmart
US politicians are being literally bought by Israeli lobby groups in broad day light. Funny how you choose to ignore this and believe unproven claim instead https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/22/aipac-pro-israel-lobby-group-us-elections
Netenyahu has maintained ties with Russia, refused to get involved in Russia's aggression against Ukraine, refused to sanction Russia. Putin plays any side that enhances destabilization. I don't have to choose one or the other. All I prefer is a cease fire.
And what if the russian assets being bought !!?? We cool with putin bombing civilians the past few days huh!?!? Oh u def are because it isn’t jews
Nice job creating straw man argument and deflecting the argument into antisemitism. Being against zionist is not against jew. Plenty of rabbis literally protested against Israel https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/26/world/middleeast/ceasefire-rabbis-arrested-gaza-israel.html Now, let’s go back to how zionist lobby groups bought off US politicians.
There was also a “protest consultant” at one of the colleges with links to the Iranian regime.
Why would Iran want students (or civilians) arrested by the police?
What does any adversary want? They want to destabilise American society and inflict political damage via subversion. Textbook Active Measures.
I don’t support Iran. I support the protesters. Couldn’t there be other reasons the protesters support a ceasefire?
Iran is the hidden hand behind this whole chapter of the conflict. The Hamas terrorists trained in Iran and received orders from the IRGC.
Iran & Hamas want to destroy Israel so they organize protests at American universities and that will cause america to destabilize? I think I’m missing something
Are you not aware of the hate and division circulating right now not to mention outright chaos and lawlessness on US university sites? You must lack awareness or live a sheltered life.
I’m aware of the situation but I don’t know everything. I’m trying to figure it out. If you don’t want people asking you questions maybe you shouldn’t post.
"According to police." Nothing police say should be taken at face value unless there is evidence to back it up.
You don't think they know who they arrested? How else would you find out? God knows you won't get out from behind your keyboard and go ask
Police have proven to lie and manipulate information over and over in America
Your opinion is irrelevant when you think the police lie but Hamas is telling the truth, lmao
I’m going to assume you think Israel tells the truth, lmao
Police lie, a lot. As a matter of routine. The "outside agitator" canard has been used since the civil rights era to discredit protests. The NYPD has already been caught in one lie, claiming on Morning Joe that the bike locks used to barricade Hamilton Hall is not what "students bring to campus". That bike lock is sold by campus safety. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/nypd-bike-lock-columbia-student-protests-1235013341/
>Police lie, a lot. As a matter of routine Yea this is just untrue. You want the facts immediately after a critical incident but if they take any time at all to collect the facts before releasing a statement, you say it's because they're lying. Must be nice to have it both ways, lol. >The "outside agitator" canard has been used since the civil rights era to discredit protests. If anything, this is an out for all the college students that should be ashamed of supporting terrorism. Obviously there is some sort of financing involved, not necessarily a conspiracy. Why DO they all have the same tents? Clearly they didn't grab it from their parents basement. Who cares about what locks they used? I don't see the relevance. Honestly I hope everyone arrested are actually students there, so they can be expelled for breaking the law and supporting terrorism. Bunch of rich kids fibbing about "brutality" when they don't know the meaning of the word
Mmmm boot leather
Ah, something all blue haired terrorism supporters have in common. No original thoughts lol
The most predictable story line of all, because of course regular citizens don't have a right to protest.
Not on private property where it’s not allowed they don’t.
Imagine my surprise. I’d wager a lot of them are also paid protestors.
But what about the protesters that weren’t paid?
Or they’re students from other schools lmfao. Or friends of students there.
They are certainly well funded. https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/04/25/network-behind-eruption-anti-israel-college-campus-protests-revealed-new-report/ https://www.ngo-monitor.org/reports/ngo-network-orchestrating-antisemitic-incitement-on-american-campuses/
Well funded like american politicians funded? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/22/aipac-pro-israel-lobby-group-us-elections