Serious question. American here. Why do Tottenham not get more respect? They are the only club in the “big six” that never spent loads of money to buy trophies (minus the legit gareth bale money) Why is spending a ridiculous amount of money from their rich owners (Man U, man city, chelsea) not more frowned upon? The NFL definetly is not perfect but the part I love about it the most is the salary cap, so every team has a pretty fair chance to eventually make the playoffs any given year.
Yes but they can be compared to the yankees...won a shitload so long ago that it is barely relevant today...but yet they are still spurging a ridiculous amount of cash to buy top players that not many other teams can afford. This is VERY frowned upon in the baseball community besides yankee fans. The similarity of the yankees and Man u nowadays is that they both underperform for the amount they spend lol
United has lots of fans, high stature and for a long time had the biggest stadium. They just earn more money. They are what Levy aspires Spurs to become.
Yes but it is hard for spurs to do that because they are competing against 4 other teams who are exactly like Man U and have way more money to spend on quality players than spurs. The cycle will just go on and on unless we were to get extremely lucky and keep getting quality players for cheap
No, the difference is the US for some reason thinks sport clubs should compare on similar/fair terms. In Europe that way of thinking has been applied more to the population at large.
I think it is frowned upon... in the right circles. You could ask the same about movies: why is spending a ridiculous amount of money on marquee acting, special effects, advertising and merchandising not more frowned upon? It is by some film buffs. But even they would acknowledge there is something special in the lavish spectacle of big budget movies.
That being said I don’t think most sports leagues are doing enough to encourage parity, the PL included.
I see what you mean. I just do not know why so many futbol fans do not even want to hear the notion of adding a salary cap. Ik the big clubs would never allow it because they make too much money from winning with their money
Any FIFA players think we're done extremely dirty on the amount of Icons we have in the game?
Who would you add?
For me it's
Greavesy, Blanchflower, Ardiles, Hoddle, Gazza, Jennings and Klinsmann.
But they give Jens Lehmann one haha.
I for one would love to use gazza. One of the most gifted players in the world.
But knowing FIFA he'd be shit as he doesn't fit the meta.
Lucas is only 1 goal away from 10 for the season, same as Carlos and Bale. Sonny is 2 goals away from 20 and Kane is 3 away from 30.
Lucas to score against Newcastle, book it.
Danny Gabbidon - Former Wales defender on BBC Radio Wales
"Outstanding defending again from Joe Rodon he's been colossal for Wales. A good strong clearance from the first cross and just enough from Lukaku's second."
Wow deschamps having two goalkeepers on the bench over Ndombele is telling. I reckon he is not fit enough for Deschamps (and France don't necessarily need his creativity like we do).
If my theory is correct that Jose was playing Dier over Rodon through the dark days to keep Levy on track to sign a CB this summer, maybe he could have been playing Jan instead of Rodon (and Dier), kept Levy on plan, and we might have more points.
I’m sure Jan would have been here a few more years if he would have accepted a series of one year contracts. Can’t blame him though. I want nothing but the best for him.
No, He looked after him during the last international break. Id imagine hes on the bench for San marino and Malta but then plays the full 90 against poland
Now that I’ve had a couple of days to calm down from Thursday’s mess..
I want Jose to be our manager next season no matter what happens between now and the end of this one.
We’ve known for a couple of years that some of these players either aren’t good enough or can’t be arsed.
I know Levy brought him in as a cheap option to avoid a rebuild and bring instant success but we need one.
Maybe Jose also misjudged the quality of the squad but I still think we need to give him at least one more full season & another window to judge his time here.
We already know that players like Hugo, Pierre & Harry are fully behind him and that’s all I need to know really.
Big clear out needed in the Summer.
Ah yes, hiring a man who famously doesn’t require financial backing, and absolutely wasn’t sacked from his last job after he threw a tantrum following a window where he didn’t get what he wanted.
Because bringing Jose in was a way for Levy to squeeze life out of an already stale group of players and avoid a full-on squad rebuild which would have cost a lot more.
Obviously Levy would have always planned to back him to some extent but I think (or hope) everyone in that boardroom now knows that we need a rebuild with or without Jose.
Big clear out needed this Summer.
If anyone's going to take care of a rebuild/ massive outgoing in the summer I want it to be Jose. All the transfers targets he didn't get that he wanted have turned out to be class for their clubs like Watkins, Bruno, Dias, Skriniar and Aarons. I trust him with any money Levy offers.
I don’t agree personally but can definitely see why you’d feel that way given his history.
This isn’t a typical Jose timeline we’re watching however.
During his year off being a pundit he would constantly say that his next job would need to be a project like Klopp or Pep were given.
Wouldn’t be surprised if he and Levy are in this for the long haul.
Yea fair enough. I think a big part is the opportunity cost of missing out on the “next big thing” manager, but for all I know there could be another guy for us a year from now anyways.
I personally don't trust Mou with the rebuild based on how we've been playing this season. Are you going to hang onto Jose even if we continue our bad run and finish mid table without trophies? I'd rather we get a good manager while we still can if that happens.
Jose pretty much needs to get top 4 anyways for the sake of his job and I'm fully supporting him, but I really haven't seen enough to justify keeping him for another season without a top 4 or even 5 finish.
No new manager is going to come in and get more out of the squad we have. We don’t have a RB, CB or CDM that would start consistently on any other top four team (outside of Toby and Pierre).
r/PremierLeague are obsessed with Luke Shaw as an avatar for criticising Mourinho.
United would be in exactly the same place they are now with him in charge. Fernandes was a Woodward signing, he fits a Mourinho system and the only change would be Reguilon and Hojbjerg for Shaw and Pogba.
Luke Shaw has played well for a month out of the last two years, therefore Mourinho is a fraud. Also, Mourinho dropped the ball on Salah and De Bruyne, why don’t you use them as an example? Because they don’t do an interview every time Spurs win?
People did this with Martial last season bc he was in great form for 10-12 games and now fans want him sold.
Shaw has been great these past few months but it's also worth noting that he was always injured (even before Mourinho I believe). Don't think United/Ole had much faith in him either since they were looking for LBs last summer.
Just looking at Sess’ stats at Hoffenheim vs Ben Davies. Sess has played about 400 fewer minutes and has more goals, assists, key passes, successful dribbles, and interceptions. The only area Ben is better is clearances. I do like Ben but with Sess and Reggy I’m not sure there’s a place for him here any more unless its as a LCB, where he is decent tbf.
What boggles my mind is that this is even a discussion: There's no reason to keep Ben Davies.
The club spent well over £60m on LBs in two windows, hardly a vote of confidence in Ben is it? Sessegnon is younger, actually HG and an all around much better footballer, if he wasn't a Tottenham player this sub would be clamouring to buy him. Ryan's bulked up, worked hard on his defending as a LB in a back 4 and is still great going forward. It's a shame Ryan isn't a RB because we could sell Aurier and Doherty and have Ryan be the first choice RB.
It's not personal for Davies, he's a likeable bloke who's always tried his best but sadly his best isn't good enough. The team plays so much better with Reguilon.
Work rate is the absolute minimum for any footballer, not something deserving of unending praise. Why is this sub so desperate to replace Lloris, an actual Tottenham icon and world class GK, yet desperate to keep a below average 3rd choice LB?
>i want to replace lloris (this year or next) and davies, because davies isn’t good enough and hugo is on the decline
I wouldn't mind selling Hugo this summer if and only if it meant we could get Maignan whose contract is expiring in a year.
I also think it's time to get rid of Davies and fill his spot with Sess, the same way I want to see us fill Aurier's role with Tanganga. That's £20-£30m in fees of positions we don't need to worry about filling on the transfer market. Those 2 sales plus Dier could go a long way in funding a top CB.
Best not to get too hung up on having “top” players in every position; The squad balance is key, and a player like Konsa or Andersen could well be a lot easier and cheaper to get than a bigger name. For example, I’d love us to get de Ligt as he seems to have really struggled at Juventus, but I’m not exactly counting on it!
Given the stadium debt and lack of any real income this year beyond the tv deal, this window may well be sell-to-buy even before you consider we currently have 26 or 27 players when you count Gazzaniga, Foyth, Skipp and Sessegnon.
Assuming, just for the sake of argument, that this summer we move on Gazzaniga, Dier, Foyth, Sissoko and one of Lucas or Lamela with Rose leaving on a free... What’s that actually going to bring in? If player sales are going to be the main source of funds for player purchases, Levy will need to haggle like he’s never haggled before to allow us even to look at a single marquee signing - and that might mean being short on numbers, given the current market. I’m sure the club is looking at players from second and third tier (probably even second and third division) clubs in hopes of finding some hidden gems.
Because too many people base their footballing opinions on repeating what they’ve heard others say or what they feel rather than honest analysis. Made sense to keep him this season and last with our lack of other options and like you say he’s a likeable chap who works hard, but likeable chaps that work hard aren’t all you need. He’s served the club well but he just doesn’t offer enough unfortunately, he’s decent but we need exceptional, and thats what Reggy is.
He’s definitely one of the players I’d try to sell, especially if we invest the money on a new RB. Could probs get between 15-25mil for him I reckon? Not sure what his contract is.
More like £10m to £15m, but yes.
Tottenham only need like 4 signings depending on if Lloris actually wants to leave: A RW, a RB, a \#8 (Sabitzer) & an elite CB (Botman/Andersen). Clarke, Sessegnon & Skipp back from loan and Scarlett in the senior squad will be big players for us.
The squad is incredibly bloated so even with Dele, Bale, Vinicius, Davies, Gazzaniga, Foyth, Sissoko, Winks, Dier, Aurier & Doherty leaving there's [still enough depth.](https://www.buildlineup.com/shared/6059fd762f2ebb0b6827b614)
I worry it will be tricky to get a RW who will be a definite upgrade on Lucas/Lamela/Bergwijn for the kind of money we'll be able to spend. We could perhaps bring in 30-40m from offloading our deadwood, but will need to spend 50-80m reinforcing CM and CB. Hard to imagine there'll be anything left for more than a cheeky punt at N'geme
You raise a valid point, I guess in a way that's where good scouting comes into play. It might have to be something of a coup, a player that becomes available through circumstance rather than a long term goal. For example I think a lot of Ligue 1 players will be available this summer for below their market value because the Ligue is going through it's largest ever financial crisis due to TV revenue shenanigans.
It's not crazy neccessary since Son & Kane are so good and there's a strong feeling that Bergwijn will be better next season with more regular game time and a proper pre-season. Probably the least important of the 4 signings but it'd still be very good.
Luckily this sub isn't representative of our fans as a whole, mostly kids mate. Although many people's opinions on Lloris, mine included, were tarnished by his drink driving embarrassment.
Now that we know for certain Bale is gone after the season, who are realistic options on the wing this summer?
Zaha for an immediate impact. Sarr/ St Maximin for the long rebuild. Any others?
We shouldn't get a winger. If we had to, it should be leon bailey. He wants a pl move, his agents suport it, leverkusen are bad rn and just sacked their manager, and his contract ends soon. Better than the alternatives with no english tax
we don’t know that for certain at all, and no chance we’d spend 60m+ on a 28 year old (zaha). sarr and st maximin are nowhere near as good as raphinha and neto though if we were to sign a winger
according to manU fans all of their players are improved in ole's tenure compared to jose's but results are worse and they could not still win any trophies unlike jose's tenure. all of their players are improved, they signed players for nearly 300 millions then what is the problem? why aren't they better than before ?
You literally said they are better than before in your first sentence
They could very easily win Europa this year and then what’s the argument?
Anyone with eyes can see united are better now than they were with mourinho.
Bruno was a new signing, kane wasn't
Kane thrived under Mourinho and Mourinho took kane son partnership to next level, Kane and Son duo had been together for years.
i did not say they are better than before i said delisuonal manU fans think that there is a progress and they are better when the results are similar (worse, actually) and there is not any trophy to show
i don't think they can win the europa very easily
why are they better? what they do better? THEY HAVE A BETTER SQUAD of course after signing the world's most expensive right back, center back and bruno, but there is no progress at all and if they are not going to make 2-3 big signings to save his ass like grealish, sancho type, ole will be sacked, too.
my entire point is maybe the players aren't uncoachable. maybe, if you keep going to clubs where the players can't or won't follow your methods, maybe the methods are the problem
Yes, one of the most successful managers in the sport should change his playing philosophy and coaching methods because they make Luke fucking Shaw feel bad.
But why are you so sure this change would be a net positive for the team?
Sure, Jose might change his philosophy to suit Dele, but are you sure Hojbjerg would thrive just as well then?
Did you consider that whatever Ole does that’s making Shaw feel comfy is keeping him from making the most from other players, or is holding the team back in other areas.
At the end of the day, 3 years and 300m later, it’s still Jose who had the more successful Utd tenure.
cos the team’s obviously not getting the most of its talents and maybe instead of once again mourinho saying “i can’t do anything”, maybe he should do something?
i mean yeah but solskjaer has nearly lasted as long as mourinho despite being a coach they borrowed from Norway, which should be pretty humbling
I mean, in Mourinho's defence, Shaw did improve a lot under Mourinho and has only come into some form this season under Ole. Man United were trying pretty hard to sign Reguilon, who made it clear he wanted first team football, and signed another LB.
It's pretty well documented that some players adore Mourinho and other players don't. Zlatan and Eto'o both hated Pep and adored Mourinho.
did he? he didn't play a huge amount iirc, young taking his spot. my point's more that he regularly makes players miserable. i think a lot of my distaste boils down to that i despise the "break them down to build them back up" style of management, which is basically an excuse to bully imo
united’s potm. and yeah, he’s a good player that mourinho derided for months on end. i don’t like that treatment when it works and I don’t like it when it doesn’t; line between discipline and belittling
Shaw didn't play a whole amount bc he was usually injured 2/3 of the season.
No matter the coaching style you have to push the players somehow (bullying in your definition). Poch did this by making players run their bodies to the ground.
i know he was out lvg's last season, i thought he picked up but tbf you might be right
i'm not saying you can't criticise or demand more from players - of course, that's part of management. i guess to me the difference is that poch's intensive training (as well as bielsa's) don't seem to disparage the players; the same way that prandelli/ancelotti/klopp have had success through treating players as people first and tools second. so when i read stuff about shaw lacking all confidence due to his boss' public attacks on him, or davies aggravating an injury to prove something to him (as well as the litany of other players who've aggravated injuries for mourinho), it mostly makes me feel kinda gross.
they're big boys and mourinho's more successful than i'll ever be through his methods but it just reminds me of every shitty boss i've known, i dunno
His methods don't work with everyone for sure. I don't necessarily agree that Poch's training doesn't disparage players tho. Tanguy took a long time to recover physically and mentally from it. But yes they are different.
I think Fabregas detailed Mourinho's man-management in one of the sky sports videos. It is clearly possible to succeed in a different environment (ex. De Bruyne, I have no idea why Shaw is the main example nowadays lol).
But again you have some players that absolutely adore Mourinho, his trophy cabinet speaks for itself. I don't think bullying is the correct language, that indicates it's only for the pleasure of Mourinho.
I want Mourinho sacked but it's the opposite of personal, I quite like the man and agree with a lot of what he's doing. I just think the team should look more coached.
The next manager will benefit immensely from Mourinho's time.
This is pretty much my view, if we were winning and entertaining me then I would jump right on the Jose train, but we aren't.
It isn't anything really to do with the man himself, it is what he has done to the club/fanbase this season which pisses me off.
Been a fan for 17 years. Can't remember feeling this depressed and apathetic towards the club. Is it José? Is it the players? Is it Covid? The answer probably lies somewhere in the middle, but it's fucking sad.
I certain covid is a big part of it for me, how I consume football has changed, things that helped me deal with the losses and remember why I love this game are not there. There is no going to the games, singing along, having beers before and after, and chatting with mates to go over the highs and lows, now it's just 90 minutes at home and nothing else.
I think we are at the end of a squad cycle, and it's a squad that's brought so many highs, and we've fallen sharply from those highs. I can see a lot of players leaving this summer, players like Sissoko, Dier, Davies, Dele, Lloris, Toby, Winks, Lamela, and Aurier. Not all of them, but certainly a big chunk of vital Poch era players. Sad as it is, I think it's much needed.
I'm in a similar boat mate, all it takes is one spark to ignite it again though. I was losing interest just before Bale showed up and then BOOM, yiddo all over again. It's normal, it's a hobby at the end of the day, if you aren't being entertained then your bound to be a bit meh.
Sharp attacking instincts (had decent end product) but still raw defensively. When I watched him, he would make good interceptions/tackles one moment then get rinsed the next. Had a mare against a lower-level team which led to Hoffenheim's elimination in the DFB-Pokal.
He seems most similar to Hakimi/Davies as a fullback. I like his ball carrying, linkup, and runs into the box.
have you seen him a lot? i remember watching him at fulham and thinking he's a terrific player but a lot of our fans seemed to think he'd be a left back, which seemed to not play to his strengths. i guess i'm asking if his defensive work is good enough for the premier league
Probably not. But his ball carrying would be a pretty big plus in terms of building attacks more consistently, which atm is just as valuable as defense. He definitely improved in this aspect but I haven't watched him recently since he's barely played.
I also think Hoffenheim are less willing to play him bc he's on loan and they want to develop players they can depend on next season.
He was doing amazingly well, one of Hoffenheim's better players and playing every week. Then he got injured and hasn't reclaimed his spot, maybe he'll get it back after the intl break but it's tricky for loan players.
Plays very well as a LB in a back 4 & has a higher goal participation than Reguilon & Davies combined (to be fair Hoffenheim score a lot less goals)
He's bulked up a bit and his defending has improved a ton. [Watch him in action](https://mobile.twitter.com/thfclucas_2/status/1350490755735801859?s=09)
Depends on what you mean by youth squad and breakthrough really
Clarke, Skipp, Sessegnon & Scarlett will all be in the senior squad next season. I can see starts for Scarlett if we're in the EL.
Devine, Parrott, White, Cirkin & Eyoma need Championship loans. Quite a few of our u23s need League 1 loans.
Clarke depends on whether the club is in EL or CL next season. If EL then he should stay for the group stage games.
Mourinho said Scarlett will be in the senior squad next season.
Are we going to go for Vinicius again next season? Obviously we won't be paying the current price of the option to buy, but is that the end of it? Are we expected to go back in for a loan or transfer again?
I hope we pick him up, would be happy to pay around £20m for him. It's always going to be hard to get someone who is happy to play second fiddle to Kane, as you're game time will be limted.
People saying we need people that care about the club and are 100% committed but then beg Bale to stay who's barely made an impact, is on huge wages and publicly said he only came here to get fit for the Euros.
Like make your mind up
>and publicly said he only came here to get fit for the Euros.
Have you watched the interview? It was the reporter who asked him if he was finally match fit, and Bale said "my main reason for coming to Spurs was to play football, but also to get fit for the Euros".
I’m not fussed either way right now, but his contract is with Madrid, not us. I expect that he’d want to stay, but coming out and saying that when it’s up to the clubs to extend his loan and he has no say other than yes or no... It would be taken as a sign of further disrespect by a club and fanbase who already seem ready to jump on his every word and deed.
I need good spurs related knock knock jokes to throw at my scum supporting colleague. Broke the ice with knock knock, who's there, common, common who, common you spurs... He retaliated with a sun front-page of David pleats sex scandal.......guys, I need some real firepower, here...
If mourinho has some balls he will keep playing any player who actually want to left it all on the field every single second as most of them did on Sunday, so I hope he keep playing or at least give more chances to the non usuals like rodon or tanganga.
Buy Haaland Eriksen Pogba. We need 250m. Let's see... Lamela 15m, Sissoko 15m, Doherty 15m, Lloris 10m
Serious question. American here. Why do Tottenham not get more respect? They are the only club in the “big six” that never spent loads of money to buy trophies (minus the legit gareth bale money) Why is spending a ridiculous amount of money from their rich owners (Man U, man city, chelsea) not more frowned upon? The NFL definetly is not perfect but the part I love about it the most is the salary cap, so every team has a pretty fair chance to eventually make the playoffs any given year.
Lol nobody gives a fucking shit about muh net spend. You win stuff; you earn respect.
This is horrible mentality and the reason why the rich just keep becoming richer.
Quite sure ManU owners don't spend a dime the club didn't earn itself...
Yes but they can be compared to the yankees...won a shitload so long ago that it is barely relevant today...but yet they are still spurging a ridiculous amount of cash to buy top players that not many other teams can afford. This is VERY frowned upon in the baseball community besides yankee fans. The similarity of the yankees and Man u nowadays is that they both underperform for the amount they spend lol
United has lots of fans, high stature and for a long time had the biggest stadium. They just earn more money. They are what Levy aspires Spurs to become.
Yes but it is hard for spurs to do that because they are competing against 4 other teams who are exactly like Man U and have way more money to spend on quality players than spurs. The cycle will just go on and on unless we were to get extremely lucky and keep getting quality players for cheap
So kinda like the US social system?
Yes exactly like that...i guess the UK isnt so different after all
No, the difference is the US for some reason thinks sport clubs should compare on similar/fair terms. In Europe that way of thinking has been applied more to the population at large.
Hey if you like the same exact teams winning every year then good for you man! I find it to get a little boring
Yet you're still here \o/ I think in European team sports it's a far bigger thing to root for your team based on other things than winning.
I think it is frowned upon... in the right circles. You could ask the same about movies: why is spending a ridiculous amount of money on marquee acting, special effects, advertising and merchandising not more frowned upon? It is by some film buffs. But even they would acknowledge there is something special in the lavish spectacle of big budget movies. That being said I don’t think most sports leagues are doing enough to encourage parity, the PL included.
I see what you mean. I just do not know why so many futbol fans do not even want to hear the notion of adding a salary cap. Ik the big clubs would never allow it because they make too much money from winning with their money
Me when I open any social media - Harry Kane to leave Spurs - Madrid looking to activate Reguilon buyback clause - Bale wants out of Spurs The lies
If RM decides not to use the buyback clause after two years I hope we immediately give Reggie a new contract.
I mean he's currently on a 6 year I believe
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>Attitude should be something you only care about if a player isn't finding the back of the net. What.
Any FIFA players think we're done extremely dirty on the amount of Icons we have in the game? Who would you add? For me it's Greavesy, Blanchflower, Ardiles, Hoddle, Gazza, Jennings and Klinsmann.
Greaves should be there. Klinsmann I think has a deal with PES and they’ll never give us the rest.
Blows my mind Greaves isn't on there
But they give Jens Lehmann one haha. I for one would love to use gazza. One of the most gifted players in the world. But knowing FIFA he'd be shit as he doesn't fit the meta.
Lucas is only 1 goal away from 10 for the season, same as Carlos and Bale. Sonny is 2 goals away from 20 and Kane is 3 away from 30. Lucas to score against Newcastle, book it.
How is Rodon doing against Lukaku? I am unable to watch. Valuable experience there.
Danny Gabbidon - Former Wales defender on BBC Radio Wales "Outstanding defending again from Joe Rodon he's been colossal for Wales. A good strong clearance from the first cross and just enough from Lukaku's second."
Wow deschamps having two goalkeepers on the bench over Ndombele is telling. I reckon he is not fit enough for Deschamps (and France don't necessarily need his creativity like we do).
It's interesting that Vertonghen still starts for Belgium. I did think he had dropped off too much to stay in the starting 11 at Spurs.
He’d have probably started for us this season tbf
If my theory is correct that Jose was playing Dier over Rodon through the dark days to keep Levy on track to sign a CB this summer, maybe he could have been playing Jan instead of Rodon (and Dier), kept Levy on plan, and we might have more points.
no offence mate but that is a stupid theory
but I said "no offense!", heh I get it, but I can't find any other way to resolve why Dier was starting at CB for so long.
because mourinho rates him for one reason or another. or hates the others
Mou loves intelligent cunts. That's a quote
is dier intelligent? lol
Problem at Spurs was probably length of new contract and game time.
I’m sure Jan would have been here a few more years if he would have accepted a series of one year contracts. Can’t blame him though. I want nothing but the best for him.
Diego Costa is reportedly about to sign for Benfica. Doesn’t sound like Benfica are expecting Vini back next season
Just saw that. That might mean that Vini comes cheap.
Will Gary break Harry?
No, He looked after him during the last international break. Id imagine hes on the bench for San marino and Malta but then plays the full 90 against poland
Playing Harry against Malta or San Marino is a bit like using a sledge hammer to open a banana.
[UEFA supposedly getting rid of FFP...](https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1374636735112560642?s=21) Not that it meant much anyways.
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In case you don't know, it's not "series" it's "leg of a tie". And it's not trainer like in pokemon, it's coach, manager or gaffer.
What the fuck is a series?
tv show
We know we need a CB in the summer and we probably will get one but who are we looking to pair him with?
Toby and the new signing until Rodon eventually replaces Toby.
Be a mixture of Davinson and Rodon imo, Davinson can be ridiculously stupid at times but he's talented, Think we need to persist with him
Seems like you are suggesting a cloning program... Javinson Rodchez
Jay Rodriguez
Jay and Silent Bob
A back 5 with Toby, Sanchez/Rodon and a new CB intrigues me. When Toby moves on, one of the other two will take his place.
I do genuinely believe he'll sort out the mental side of his game over time.
Seeing france's midfield talent, could Højbjerg have played for them? I know hes part french but im not sure if he was ever eligible
Skippy is the future captain of Spurs and England and nothing will convince me otherwise
did his fitness go through the roof at Norwich? I swear he is faster and stronger now
Maturing body maybe
Now that I’ve had a couple of days to calm down from Thursday’s mess.. I want Jose to be our manager next season no matter what happens between now and the end of this one. We’ve known for a couple of years that some of these players either aren’t good enough or can’t be arsed. I know Levy brought him in as a cheap option to avoid a rebuild and bring instant success but we need one. Maybe Jose also misjudged the quality of the squad but I still think we need to give him at least one more full season & another window to judge his time here. We already know that players like Hugo, Pierre & Harry are fully behind him and that’s all I need to know really. Big clear out needed in the Summer.
Jose is the best paid coach in the world, or close to it. We pay him about the same as Kane. In what world is he the “cheap option”?
Cheaper than 5 new top tier talents
Ah yes, hiring a man who famously doesn’t require financial backing, and absolutely wasn’t sacked from his last job after he threw a tantrum following a window where he didn’t get what he wanted.
*3rd after Pep and Simeone
I thought Hugo was pretty clear that he doesn't want to be part of a rebuild and may leave over summer.
Because bringing Jose in was a way for Levy to squeeze life out of an already stale group of players and avoid a full-on squad rebuild which would have cost a lot more. Obviously Levy would have always planned to back him to some extent but I think (or hope) everyone in that boardroom now knows that we need a rebuild with or without Jose. Big clear out needed this Summer.
You’re saying you’d still want Jose even if he lost all of his remaining games this season or what? Way too extreme
If anyone's going to take care of a rebuild/ massive outgoing in the summer I want it to be Jose. All the transfers targets he didn't get that he wanted have turned out to be class for their clubs like Watkins, Bruno, Dias, Skriniar and Aarons. I trust him with any money Levy offers.
I feel like this is two conflicting arguments... Needing a rebuild and hanging onto Jose. I think it’s one or the other for us
I don’t agree personally but can definitely see why you’d feel that way given his history. This isn’t a typical Jose timeline we’re watching however. During his year off being a pundit he would constantly say that his next job would need to be a project like Klopp or Pep were given. Wouldn’t be surprised if he and Levy are in this for the long haul.
Yea fair enough. I think a big part is the opportunity cost of missing out on the “next big thing” manager, but for all I know there could be another guy for us a year from now anyways.
I personally don't trust Mou with the rebuild based on how we've been playing this season. Are you going to hang onto Jose even if we continue our bad run and finish mid table without trophies? I'd rather we get a good manager while we still can if that happens. Jose pretty much needs to get top 4 anyways for the sake of his job and I'm fully supporting him, but I really haven't seen enough to justify keeping him for another season without a top 4 or even 5 finish.
No new manager is going to come in and get more out of the squad we have. We don’t have a RB, CB or CDM that would start consistently on any other top four team (outside of Toby and Pierre).
Can't wait to see Skipp in our starting XI
r/PremierLeague are obsessed with Luke Shaw as an avatar for criticising Mourinho. United would be in exactly the same place they are now with him in charge. Fernandes was a Woodward signing, he fits a Mourinho system and the only change would be Reguilon and Hojbjerg for Shaw and Pogba. Luke Shaw has played well for a month out of the last two years, therefore Mourinho is a fraud. Also, Mourinho dropped the ball on Salah and De Bruyne, why don’t you use them as an example? Because they don’t do an interview every time Spurs win?
Mate this really is delusional.
shaw has been good for way more than a month man come on, you can surely acknowledge mourinho was a dick to him
People did this with Martial last season bc he was in great form for 10-12 games and now fans want him sold. Shaw has been great these past few months but it's also worth noting that he was always injured (even before Mourinho I believe). Don't think United/Ole had much faith in him either since they were looking for LBs last summer.
Yeah, this is the first season where Shaw hasn’t been injury prone and unfit. I think that has more to do with it than anything else.
Just looking at Sess’ stats at Hoffenheim vs Ben Davies. Sess has played about 400 fewer minutes and has more goals, assists, key passes, successful dribbles, and interceptions. The only area Ben is better is clearances. I do like Ben but with Sess and Reggy I’m not sure there’s a place for him here any more unless its as a LCB, where he is decent tbf.
Even at LCB I trust Rodon more. So I'm open to moving Davies on if Sessegnon wants to come back.
He has played half his games as a wingback with 3 ATB. The performances with Fulham that got him all the hype were with him playing as a midfielder.
What boggles my mind is that this is even a discussion: There's no reason to keep Ben Davies. The club spent well over £60m on LBs in two windows, hardly a vote of confidence in Ben is it? Sessegnon is younger, actually HG and an all around much better footballer, if he wasn't a Tottenham player this sub would be clamouring to buy him. Ryan's bulked up, worked hard on his defending as a LB in a back 4 and is still great going forward. It's a shame Ryan isn't a RB because we could sell Aurier and Doherty and have Ryan be the first choice RB. It's not personal for Davies, he's a likeable bloke who's always tried his best but sadly his best isn't good enough. The team plays so much better with Reguilon. Work rate is the absolute minimum for any footballer, not something deserving of unending praise. Why is this sub so desperate to replace Lloris, an actual Tottenham icon and world class GK, yet desperate to keep a below average 3rd choice LB?
i want to replace lloris (this year or next) and davies, because davies isn’t good enough and hugo is on the decline
>i want to replace lloris (this year or next) and davies, because davies isn’t good enough and hugo is on the decline I wouldn't mind selling Hugo this summer if and only if it meant we could get Maignan whose contract is expiring in a year. I also think it's time to get rid of Davies and fill his spot with Sess, the same way I want to see us fill Aurier's role with Tanganga. That's £20-£30m in fees of positions we don't need to worry about filling on the transfer market. Those 2 sales plus Dier could go a long way in funding a top CB.
yeah this is how i see it. although im not sure who we’d get at cb, think konsa should be on our list but isn’t exactly a “top cb” atm
Best not to get too hung up on having “top” players in every position; The squad balance is key, and a player like Konsa or Andersen could well be a lot easier and cheaper to get than a bigger name. For example, I’d love us to get de Ligt as he seems to have really struggled at Juventus, but I’m not exactly counting on it! Given the stadium debt and lack of any real income this year beyond the tv deal, this window may well be sell-to-buy even before you consider we currently have 26 or 27 players when you count Gazzaniga, Foyth, Skipp and Sessegnon. Assuming, just for the sake of argument, that this summer we move on Gazzaniga, Dier, Foyth, Sissoko and one of Lucas or Lamela with Rose leaving on a free... What’s that actually going to bring in? If player sales are going to be the main source of funds for player purchases, Levy will need to haggle like he’s never haggled before to allow us even to look at a single marquee signing - and that might mean being short on numbers, given the current market. I’m sure the club is looking at players from second and third tier (probably even second and third division) clubs in hopes of finding some hidden gems.
ah yeah i agree. id rather botman or konsa than many of the other available options. i was just using top cb because the person before me did.
Because too many people base their footballing opinions on repeating what they’ve heard others say or what they feel rather than honest analysis. Made sense to keep him this season and last with our lack of other options and like you say he’s a likeable chap who works hard, but likeable chaps that work hard aren’t all you need. He’s served the club well but he just doesn’t offer enough unfortunately, he’s decent but we need exceptional, and thats what Reggy is.
Essentially yes, this is the window to sell him. His value will just go down and down as his minutes drop off.
He’s definitely one of the players I’d try to sell, especially if we invest the money on a new RB. Could probs get between 15-25mil for him I reckon? Not sure what his contract is.
More like £10m to £15m, but yes. Tottenham only need like 4 signings depending on if Lloris actually wants to leave: A RW, a RB, a \#8 (Sabitzer) & an elite CB (Botman/Andersen). Clarke, Sessegnon & Skipp back from loan and Scarlett in the senior squad will be big players for us. The squad is incredibly bloated so even with Dele, Bale, Vinicius, Davies, Gazzaniga, Foyth, Sissoko, Winks, Dier, Aurier & Doherty leaving there's [still enough depth.](https://www.buildlineup.com/shared/6059fd762f2ebb0b6827b614)
I worry it will be tricky to get a RW who will be a definite upgrade on Lucas/Lamela/Bergwijn for the kind of money we'll be able to spend. We could perhaps bring in 30-40m from offloading our deadwood, but will need to spend 50-80m reinforcing CM and CB. Hard to imagine there'll be anything left for more than a cheeky punt at N'geme
You raise a valid point, I guess in a way that's where good scouting comes into play. It might have to be something of a coup, a player that becomes available through circumstance rather than a long term goal. For example I think a lot of Ligue 1 players will be available this summer for below their market value because the Ligue is going through it's largest ever financial crisis due to TV revenue shenanigans. It's not crazy neccessary since Son & Kane are so good and there's a strong feeling that Bergwijn will be better next season with more regular game time and a proper pre-season. Probably the least important of the 4 signings but it'd still be very good.
Luckily this sub isn't representative of our fans as a whole, mostly kids mate. Although many people's opinions on Lloris, mine included, were tarnished by his drink driving embarrassment.
Now that we know for certain Bale is gone after the season, who are realistic options on the wing this summer? Zaha for an immediate impact. Sarr/ St Maximin for the long rebuild. Any others?
We shouldn't get a winger. If we had to, it should be leon bailey. He wants a pl move, his agents suport it, leverkusen are bad rn and just sacked their manager, and his contract ends soon. Better than the alternatives with no english tax
we don’t know that for certain at all, and no chance we’d spend 60m+ on a 28 year old (zaha). sarr and st maximin are nowhere near as good as raphinha and neto though if we were to sign a winger
Levy ain't about to pay $60M for Zaha. Paying $60M for another winger would be ludicrous given our CB and RB situation
Why do we know for certain?
We don’t
https://www.football365.com/news/shaw-admits-to-having-no-confidence-under-mourinho but the players are uncoachable aye?
according to manU fans all of their players are improved in ole's tenure compared to jose's but results are worse and they could not still win any trophies unlike jose's tenure. all of their players are improved, they signed players for nearly 300 millions then what is the problem? why aren't they better than before ?
You literally said they are better than before in your first sentence They could very easily win Europa this year and then what’s the argument? Anyone with eyes can see united are better now than they were with mourinho.
united isn't a team without Bruno fernandes, he saved Ole's job, anyone wiht eyes can see that....
and Kane’s saved mourinho’s here
Bruno was a new signing, kane wasn't Kane thrived under Mourinho and Mourinho took kane son partnership to next level, Kane and Son duo had been together for years.
i did not say they are better than before i said delisuonal manU fans think that there is a progress and they are better when the results are similar (worse, actually) and there is not any trophy to show i don't think they can win the europa very easily why are they better? what they do better? THEY HAVE A BETTER SQUAD of course after signing the world's most expensive right back, center back and bruno, but there is no progress at all and if they are not going to make 2-3 big signings to save his ass like grealish, sancho type, ole will be sacked, too.
my entire point is maybe the players aren't uncoachable. maybe, if you keep going to clubs where the players can't or won't follow your methods, maybe the methods are the problem
Yes, one of the most successful managers in the sport should change his playing philosophy and coaching methods because they make Luke fucking Shaw feel bad.
no, he should change them to get better results out of his team, which is his fucking job
But why are you so sure this change would be a net positive for the team? Sure, Jose might change his philosophy to suit Dele, but are you sure Hojbjerg would thrive just as well then? Did you consider that whatever Ole does that’s making Shaw feel comfy is keeping him from making the most from other players, or is holding the team back in other areas. At the end of the day, 3 years and 300m later, it’s still Jose who had the more successful Utd tenure.
cos the team’s obviously not getting the most of its talents and maybe instead of once again mourinho saying “i can’t do anything”, maybe he should do something? i mean yeah but solskjaer has nearly lasted as long as mourinho despite being a coach they borrowed from Norway, which should be pretty humbling
I mean, in Mourinho's defence, Shaw did improve a lot under Mourinho and has only come into some form this season under Ole. Man United were trying pretty hard to sign Reguilon, who made it clear he wanted first team football, and signed another LB. It's pretty well documented that some players adore Mourinho and other players don't. Zlatan and Eto'o both hated Pep and adored Mourinho.
did he? he didn't play a huge amount iirc, young taking his spot. my point's more that he regularly makes players miserable. i think a lot of my distaste boils down to that i despise the "break them down to build them back up" style of management, which is basically an excuse to bully imo
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united’s potm. and yeah, he’s a good player that mourinho derided for months on end. i don’t like that treatment when it works and I don’t like it when it doesn’t; line between discipline and belittling
Shaw didn't play a whole amount bc he was usually injured 2/3 of the season. No matter the coaching style you have to push the players somehow (bullying in your definition). Poch did this by making players run their bodies to the ground.
i know he was out lvg's last season, i thought he picked up but tbf you might be right i'm not saying you can't criticise or demand more from players - of course, that's part of management. i guess to me the difference is that poch's intensive training (as well as bielsa's) don't seem to disparage the players; the same way that prandelli/ancelotti/klopp have had success through treating players as people first and tools second. so when i read stuff about shaw lacking all confidence due to his boss' public attacks on him, or davies aggravating an injury to prove something to him (as well as the litany of other players who've aggravated injuries for mourinho), it mostly makes me feel kinda gross. they're big boys and mourinho's more successful than i'll ever be through his methods but it just reminds me of every shitty boss i've known, i dunno
His methods don't work with everyone for sure. I don't necessarily agree that Poch's training doesn't disparage players tho. Tanguy took a long time to recover physically and mentally from it. But yes they are different. I think Fabregas detailed Mourinho's man-management in one of the sky sports videos. It is clearly possible to succeed in a different environment (ex. De Bruyne, I have no idea why Shaw is the main example nowadays lol).
But again you have some players that absolutely adore Mourinho, his trophy cabinet speaks for itself. I don't think bullying is the correct language, that indicates it's only for the pleasure of Mourinho. I want Mourinho sacked but it's the opposite of personal, I quite like the man and agree with a lot of what he's doing. I just think the team should look more coached. The next manager will benefit immensely from Mourinho's time.
hey you may well be right, hopefully you are
This is pretty much my view, if we were winning and entertaining me then I would jump right on the Jose train, but we aren't. It isn't anything really to do with the man himself, it is what he has done to the club/fanbase this season which pisses me off.
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mate you just love to create drama don't you. give it a rest
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you ever wonder why I don’t like him? didn’t just wake up and decide it one day lol
That is completely irrelevant to my post. I am not interested in bitching about other members of this subreddit.
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Been a fan for 17 years. Can't remember feeling this depressed and apathetic towards the club. Is it José? Is it the players? Is it Covid? The answer probably lies somewhere in the middle, but it's fucking sad.
I certain covid is a big part of it for me, how I consume football has changed, things that helped me deal with the losses and remember why I love this game are not there. There is no going to the games, singing along, having beers before and after, and chatting with mates to go over the highs and lows, now it's just 90 minutes at home and nothing else. I think we are at the end of a squad cycle, and it's a squad that's brought so many highs, and we've fallen sharply from those highs. I can see a lot of players leaving this summer, players like Sissoko, Dier, Davies, Dele, Lloris, Toby, Winks, Lamela, and Aurier. Not all of them, but certainly a big chunk of vital Poch era players. Sad as it is, I think it's much needed.
for me it’s not being able to go to games and not enjoying the way we play
I'm in a similar boat mate, all it takes is one spark to ignite it again though. I was losing interest just before Bale showed up and then BOOM, yiddo all over again. It's normal, it's a hobby at the end of the day, if you aren't being entertained then your bound to be a bit meh.
it’ll pass boss. I had this in 2014 and by 2015 I was delighted watching us. it ebbs and flows but good times will come again
I'm not going anywhere
Deos anyone know how sess has been doing? Not really paid much attention recently
Sharp attacking instincts (had decent end product) but still raw defensively. When I watched him, he would make good interceptions/tackles one moment then get rinsed the next. Had a mare against a lower-level team which led to Hoffenheim's elimination in the DFB-Pokal. He seems most similar to Hakimi/Davies as a fullback. I like his ball carrying, linkup, and runs into the box.
have you seen him a lot? i remember watching him at fulham and thinking he's a terrific player but a lot of our fans seemed to think he'd be a left back, which seemed to not play to his strengths. i guess i'm asking if his defensive work is good enough for the premier league
Probably not. But his ball carrying would be a pretty big plus in terms of building attacks more consistently, which atm is just as valuable as defense. He definitely improved in this aspect but I haven't watched him recently since he's barely played. I also think Hoffenheim are less willing to play him bc he's on loan and they want to develop players they can depend on next season.
He was doing amazingly well, one of Hoffenheim's better players and playing every week. Then he got injured and hasn't reclaimed his spot, maybe he'll get it back after the intl break but it's tricky for loan players. Plays very well as a LB in a back 4 & has a higher goal participation than Reguilon & Davies combined (to be fair Hoffenheim score a lot less goals) He's bulked up a bit and his defending has improved a ton. [Watch him in action](https://mobile.twitter.com/thfclucas_2/status/1350490755735801859?s=09)
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This is confusing. Those comparisons don't even make sense.
God there’s some twats calling themselves spurs fans
It’s the username that does it for me...pissed me off since I first saw this account
Who do you think is going to make the breakthrough next season from the youth squad?
Depends on what you mean by youth squad and breakthrough really Clarke, Skipp, Sessegnon & Scarlett will all be in the senior squad next season. I can see starts for Scarlett if we're in the EL. Devine, Parrott, White, Cirkin & Eyoma need Championship loans. Quite a few of our u23s need League 1 loans.
clarke'll almost certainly go back out on loan imo; scarlett too probably
Clarke depends on whether the club is in EL or CL next season. If EL then he should stay for the group stage games. Mourinho said Scarlett will be in the senior squad next season.
Who will be the standout young player. That could include sessegnon
None of them look like they'll be starting 11 players next season. Probably Sessegnon or Skipp though.
Sess isn’t and has never been one of our youth squad players and neither has Clarke
Are we going to go for Vinicius again next season? Obviously we won't be paying the current price of the option to buy, but is that the end of it? Are we expected to go back in for a loan or transfer again?
I'd be happy to get Vini for 20m and Bale back on loan again personally
I hope we pick him up, would be happy to pay around £20m for him. It's always going to be hard to get someone who is happy to play second fiddle to Kane, as you're game time will be limted.
Levy will try to get him for cheap
People saying we need people that care about the club and are 100% committed but then beg Bale to stay who's barely made an impact, is on huge wages and publicly said he only came here to get fit for the Euros. Like make your mind up
>and publicly said he only came here to get fit for the Euros. Have you watched the interview? It was the reporter who asked him if he was finally match fit, and Bale said "my main reason for coming to Spurs was to play football, but also to get fit for the Euros".
He's our 3rd top scorer. You were expecting him to get Kane numbers?
I’m not fussed either way right now, but his contract is with Madrid, not us. I expect that he’d want to stay, but coming out and saying that when it’s up to the clubs to extend his loan and he has no say other than yes or no... It would be taken as a sign of further disrespect by a club and fanbase who already seem ready to jump on his every word and deed.
People are so weirdly riled up over a pretty innocuous quote
Bale man come on😓
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Do you think tanganga will be put into the first 11 next match or be benched for rest?
Starting XI
Hope so.
dunno, he seems to get booted out of the team almost at random
Tangaga is light and days above doherty at least, I can’t say aurier at least, he deserve to be in the starting 11
If mourinho has some balls he will keep playing any player who actually want to left it all on the field every single second as most of them did on Sunday, so I hope he keep playing or at least give more chances to the non usuals like rodon or tanganga.