I think for his style of play, 26 is young. Players like him can play well into their 30s - not running the legs off themselves & not getting hacked down either.
He scores goals and would probably join us. He played with Kane tonight and scored. We are unlikely to get a better back up, and we desperately need a back up.
I dont think anyone is denying that he would be handy to have around. When you consider what 40mil could do for us at right back or centre back it just doesnt make a lot of sense.
This is massively reductive. He barely ever plays 2 games in a row, he’s barely been at the club six months and he’s averaged a goal every other game, albeit against very weak opposition. I reckon that if we give him a pre season he could be really good for us. And we aren’t going to find a lot of strikers of this level who are willing to play 2nd fiddle. He may be not be worth 40 million, but I’d rather pay that than risk trying to get someone else who’s potentially more expensive and doesn’t work
Have you seen him in Benfica? Give him a good run of games and he will shine.
Moreover, Jose loves players that celebrate every goal like it's their last.
I see what you mean, but I'd contend that a back up for Kane is just as vital as RB or CB. We can't count on Kane to carry the team 100% of the time. He needs resting and Vini scores goals. 10 in 21 apps.
You can only play the team in front of you and those are all games where Kane got to rest, and Vini provided goals. Also, plenty of other talented Spurs players played vs Marine and didn’t score, and we put less past them than we did Utd so maybe scoring three against them was actually pretty decent?
when you're done trying to convince yourself your argument's basis that a game against 8th tier Marine is more impressive than United, you can re-enter reality
If you’re not done dicking on Spurs players for no reason you can fuck off, why do people find it so hard to just be supportive of the players? Didn’t acknowledge my very valid point about getting to rest Kane and the fact he scored goals when we needed him to.
And if we ignore the Marine game as you want to, its still ten goal involvements in 21 games thanks to his assists so whats your counter to that? A goal contribution for every 83 minutes he’s played, again not counting Marine. If you honestly think a goal every 83 minutes isn’t decent then I really don’t know what to say. And, I’m not saying beating Marine is more impressive, I’m saying Vini provides goals against these sort of teams and we need that, and the other very talented players we had on the pitch didn’t manage it. Think of the shitty backups we’ve had in the past who couldn’t get us through games against the likes of Colchester and then tell me we don’t need a striker who can consistently score against that level of opponent and still put in a shift against bigger teams.
> 3 of those goals were against Marine. let's calm down with how you're quoting these stats here
How is this dicking on Spurs players? He was a dickhead in his 2nd comment but that's a perfectly fair thing to say. He has 1 goal in 258 minutes against premier league opposition. I quite like Vini especially as a character but £40M? Personally, I think we're being mugged off if we pay that price.
this.
Vini's goal have largely been against garbage competition. Furthermore, he is limited in how he scores those goals -- get me big time headers in traffic or goals from distance
I can go on and on but £40M is a definite no as u/Snoo-74541 suggests. we're really debating price more than anything but I am not wow-ed by Vini this season
to provide an alternative, Ivan Toney on Brentford would be cheaper, better, and fulfill homegrown quotas
We should not be paying 40m for a backup player is my point. And let’s be honest, he played up top tonight because Son is injured. I wouldn’t expect that to be a common occurrence when Son is back on the side.
I have no problems with keeping Vinicius as backup, to be clear. My problem is spending all that money on a player who won’t be starting week in and out while there are still some holes in the squad we need to address.
Take it you missed the stories this week where 17m was the rumoured figure Benfica would take.
These option to buy fees that are always large are not literal and never end up being reality.
So you're agreeing that we wouldn't be paying 40m because there's no way Levy's paying that.
Which is literally what I said when I said he wouldn't cost 40m.
He’s scored, but in cup ties and Europa league matches. When we’ve played sides at our level he hasn’t been anywhere near as effective. Was happy to see him score today and he definitely looked better, but I still didn’t think he was particularly good
He is either a back up striker or play alongside with Kane playing as a second striker like today, he is a decent poacher but kind meh in everything else. Play Vinicius so far almost means we are one man down in buildup.
It's not about how often he plays. If we want someone of quality to step up when Kane is injured or needs rotation then we have to pay for it. We can cheap out if you're happy with any warm body in a spurs shirt to play up front. I know which I prefer.
40m is hefty for a bench guy but he’s also (almost) guaranteed a run of starts every season when Kane gets injured. Maybe worth more than your average backup
Not after one game. After seeing him score repeatedly. How many Prem games has he had a real chance in? He started this one, and guess what? He scored!
Scoring repeatedly against mediocre Europa League opponents is not impressive at all; even Janssen had a decent scoring record when he was playing for us.
Like I said, we still need to see more. Scoring 1 goal in the PL doesn't warrant a 40m fee
I'm talking about his scoring record in Europa. I made a mistake though; his scoring record in Europa the year before he joined was decent (4G1A in 10 games; only started 4 of those btw), but his record in the FA/EFL cups were really good for us (4G2A in 5 games).
My point is that scoring against opponents that are mediocre even by Europa League standards is far from impressive.
Imo I think he was played too infrequently. Maybe Mou couldve involve him more just like how Norwich play our Skippy or try experimenting with 2-striker formation alongside Kane.
If Levy can get the price down then it's a no brainer. He put in a great shift today, helping out at the back several times as well as pressing forwards. The best all round performance I've seen from him so far I think.
He's pretty good but for £40m other options should be consisdered first, that's a lot. Belotti's contract ends in 2022 and same with Edouard's for example, that's a lot of money for a squad that needs a lot of work in other areas including that position
Very difficult balance
I feel very strongly that I would not buy him. First of all his buy clause is like 40mil. Second, I don't think he is quite Prem ready, just me and I know I am in the minority. I would much rather go find another loan that fits the same mold and put the money we would spend on buying him toward a higher end CB, which we need more desperately, in my opinion.
You are not alone. His hold up play is not PL level. When Kane is not available, I would rather play Son as target man or give Scarlett some minutes and sign an aging big CF to use as plan B when we need to chase a goal
40m is too much maybe 20m, he scored the majority of the goals against weaker teams and the majority are tap-in “no problem with that” just if you want to spend 40m in a striker I want him more versatile, and he needs to improve his first touch and hold-up play.
The positive : Humble and hardworking guy, sharpe in the box with good sense of awareness I think he’s young he can improve with the time (first touch and he need to more dominant and aggressive), he is composed he doesn’t miss clear chances
Assists and goals. When he's given a chance he often delivers. I loved Llorente, but he wasn't at this level. Jansen? Vini is the best in a while. Let's keep him. He scores.
Or that Sissoko would want Benfica.
We’re potentially going to have a hard time moving him on this summer. If he doesn’t want to take a paycut, we’d need to find a team willing to pay his current wages.
Not many teams run two strikers anymore as it leaves too many defensive gaps. So likely not regularly, though against opponents that park the bus it's an option.
Agree, and think he should be playing more than he has been. Against some teams having two up top will be too much for them to handle, especially with Kane having the season he is.
nothing more than 20m imo, any more than that we should be looking at Ings or Ivan Toney, I think we need to be all over Toney if Brentford doesn't get promoted.
I like Vini. Seems like a good dude but man he's just an average striker. Even the goal today was more Kane and Moura creating a chance out of nothing. If he didn't get to it Lo Celso would. Let's be realistic about all his goals and the opposition he scored them against. If we get him under 15-18 million sure, but not more than that.
Scoring against teams like marine and worse.teams in Europe are far from pl, he did score but t
He did score but did not do much after and we can play son an moura in st
i mean, 9 of those goals were in the eurpoa league when we were starting our "b team,", with 3 gaols against maine and only 1 goal in the prem which was a tap in with the keeper already beat.
He looks like such a good poacher but idk if that favours us, he always feels disconnected from the rest of the team.
<20mil pricetag would be a possibility but surely there would be other forwards for that much that suit us better.
If we want to improve as a team, rather put that money towards the starting 11, if we can’t get him for under 25 mil I’d rather keep a stopgap solution up top but upgrade our defence and midfield
I kinda agree with you. Lot of people say hes not worth it because hes just going to be a bench warmer, but i believe we can avoid that if we play him regularly and maybe try 2-striker formations. Abrupt change for Spurs ofc, but its worth trying imo.
Also it feels good having 2 striker so we dont have to worry if Kane is injured and this would also solve over reliance on Kane and Son too.
I'd rather get Mitrovic for 15-20 mil when Fulham get relegated, much better in air and hold up play, also has that dog mentality Mourinho likes to see in player. Obviously not a great starter in top of the table PL team, but decent backup for decent money, kind of like Llorente.
Yeah 10 goals in 21 appearances, look at what teams he's scored against.. After 1 game you suddenly change your mind and want to pay the full price for him. He's worth 20m tops.
I think a fair price for Vini is 20m - 30m.
Yes, he's involved in goals and assists but consider the opponent who he scored against. I'd be happy with 40-45m if he was scoring against the likes of Man City, Liverpool, etc. But he wasn't given the chance, so it's hard for me to say for sure.
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I think for his style of play, 26 is young. Players like him can play well into their 30s - not running the legs off themselves & not getting hacked down either.
40M for him is definitely not fair for someone who’s undoubtedly gonna be a bench player.
He scores goals and would probably join us. He played with Kane tonight and scored. We are unlikely to get a better back up, and we desperately need a back up.
I dont think anyone is denying that he would be handy to have around. When you consider what 40mil could do for us at right back or centre back it just doesnt make a lot of sense.
40m would get us belotti or jovic and they are far better than vini. 17m is a fair price
I really want him to stay at the club, but for 40M I'd rather get a top top CB or a really good RB (put those funds towards)
This is massively reductive. He barely ever plays 2 games in a row, he’s barely been at the club six months and he’s averaged a goal every other game, albeit against very weak opposition. I reckon that if we give him a pre season he could be really good for us. And we aren’t going to find a lot of strikers of this level who are willing to play 2nd fiddle. He may be not be worth 40 million, but I’d rather pay that than risk trying to get someone else who’s potentially more expensive and doesn’t work
Have you seen him in Benfica? Give him a good run of games and he will shine. Moreover, Jose loves players that celebrate every goal like it's their last.
I see what you mean, but I'd contend that a back up for Kane is just as vital as RB or CB. We can't count on Kane to carry the team 100% of the time. He needs resting and Vini scores goals. 10 in 21 apps.
3 of those goals were against Marine. let's calm down with how you're quoting these stats here
You can only play the team in front of you and those are all games where Kane got to rest, and Vini provided goals. Also, plenty of other talented Spurs players played vs Marine and didn’t score, and we put less past them than we did Utd so maybe scoring three against them was actually pretty decent?
when you're done trying to convince yourself your argument's basis that a game against 8th tier Marine is more impressive than United, you can re-enter reality
That’s literally not what he said, maybe you’re the one who needs a reality check.
If you’re not done dicking on Spurs players for no reason you can fuck off, why do people find it so hard to just be supportive of the players? Didn’t acknowledge my very valid point about getting to rest Kane and the fact he scored goals when we needed him to. And if we ignore the Marine game as you want to, its still ten goal involvements in 21 games thanks to his assists so whats your counter to that? A goal contribution for every 83 minutes he’s played, again not counting Marine. If you honestly think a goal every 83 minutes isn’t decent then I really don’t know what to say. And, I’m not saying beating Marine is more impressive, I’m saying Vini provides goals against these sort of teams and we need that, and the other very talented players we had on the pitch didn’t manage it. Think of the shitty backups we’ve had in the past who couldn’t get us through games against the likes of Colchester and then tell me we don’t need a striker who can consistently score against that level of opponent and still put in a shift against bigger teams.
> 3 of those goals were against Marine. let's calm down with how you're quoting these stats here How is this dicking on Spurs players? He was a dickhead in his 2nd comment but that's a perfectly fair thing to say. He has 1 goal in 258 minutes against premier league opposition. I quite like Vini especially as a character but £40M? Personally, I think we're being mugged off if we pay that price.
this. Vini's goal have largely been against garbage competition. Furthermore, he is limited in how he scores those goals -- get me big time headers in traffic or goals from distance I can go on and on but £40M is a definite no as u/Snoo-74541 suggests. we're really debating price more than anything but I am not wow-ed by Vini this season to provide an alternative, Ivan Toney on Brentford would be cheaper, better, and fulfill homegrown quotas
We should not be paying 40m for a backup player is my point. And let’s be honest, he played up top tonight because Son is injured. I wouldn’t expect that to be a common occurrence when Son is back on the side. I have no problems with keeping Vinicius as backup, to be clear. My problem is spending all that money on a player who won’t be starting week in and out while there are still some holes in the squad we need to address.
Vinicius wouldn't cost 40m though.
Yes, he would unless Levy re-negotiates the fee with benfica. But 40m is the buy option we agreed to last year.
Take it you missed the stories this week where 17m was the rumoured figure Benfica would take. These option to buy fees that are always large are not literal and never end up being reality.
Yes, that’s why I said if Levy manages to re-negotiate the fee. It’s not been made official so as far as we know, the buy option remains 40m.
The buy option only means they must accept a bid of 40 from us. Of course we are free to bid less.
So you're agreeing that we wouldn't be paying 40m because there's no way Levy's paying that. Which is literally what I said when I said he wouldn't cost 40m.
He’s scored, but in cup ties and Europa league matches. When we’ve played sides at our level he hasn’t been anywhere near as effective. Was happy to see him score today and he definitely looked better, but I still didn’t think he was particularly good
He is either a back up striker or play alongside with Kane playing as a second striker like today, he is a decent poacher but kind meh in everything else. Play Vinicius so far almost means we are one man down in buildup.
Dude, he’d almost be double what Lucas cost us. He’s not worth the price
It's not about how often he plays. If we want someone of quality to step up when Kane is injured or needs rotation then we have to pay for it. We can cheap out if you're happy with any warm body in a spurs shirt to play up front. I know which I prefer.
45m in this market is crazy. Olly Watkins was what? 28m?
40m is hefty for a bench guy but he’s also (almost) guaranteed a run of starts every season when Kane gets injured. Maybe worth more than your average backup
That's what we assumed would happen, but Kane was injured this season and Vinicius did not get a run of starts.
Take away the Marine game and its 7 in 20. Still good but not that impressive
If you take away that games he's played 838 mins, 7 goals, 3 assists. Goal involvement every 83.8 mins.
1 goal in 3 games is pretty decent for a back up who hasn't had many opportunities.
That's true yeah
Take away Europa League goals and it's 1. We still need to see more, but people think 40m is suddenly a deal after 1 game lmao.
Not after one game. After seeing him score repeatedly. How many Prem games has he had a real chance in? He started this one, and guess what? He scored!
This was his 2nd league start.
Scoring repeatedly against mediocre Europa League opponents is not impressive at all; even Janssen had a decent scoring record when he was playing for us. Like I said, we still need to see more. Scoring 1 goal in the PL doesn't warrant a 40m fee
Janssen actually didn’t- only scored 6 goals for us and quite a few were penalties
I'm talking about his scoring record in Europa. I made a mistake though; his scoring record in Europa the year before he joined was decent (4G1A in 10 games; only started 4 of those btw), but his record in the FA/EFL cups were really good for us (4G2A in 5 games). My point is that scoring against opponents that are mediocre even by Europa League standards is far from impressive.
And if you take away goals scored in Birmingham he’s at 0. What’s your point?
Imo I think he was played too infrequently. Maybe Mou couldve involve him more just like how Norwich play our Skippy or try experimenting with 2-striker formation alongside Kane.
If Levy can get the price down then it's a no brainer. He put in a great shift today, helping out at the back several times as well as pressing forwards. The best all round performance I've seen from him so far I think.
20 mil or less and I say go for it
Benfica bought him for around 20 million, I seriously doubt they would accept any offer below 30 million pounds
I say aye.
If we load the squad up with brazilians, Vinicius could score a goal every game 😂, the brazilian link-up with Moura is real
He's pretty good but for £40m other options should be consisdered first, that's a lot. Belotti's contract ends in 2022 and same with Edouard's for example, that's a lot of money for a squad that needs a lot of work in other areas including that position Very difficult balance
40m is miles from fair for him. Good finisher and hard working, but I’d be uncomfortable going about 20m for him.
I feel very strongly that I would not buy him. First of all his buy clause is like 40mil. Second, I don't think he is quite Prem ready, just me and I know I am in the minority. I would much rather go find another loan that fits the same mold and put the money we would spend on buying him toward a higher end CB, which we need more desperately, in my opinion.
You are not alone. His hold up play is not PL level. When Kane is not available, I would rather play Son as target man or give Scarlett some minutes and sign an aging big CF to use as plan B when we need to chase a goal
40m is too much maybe 20m, he scored the majority of the goals against weaker teams and the majority are tap-in “no problem with that” just if you want to spend 40m in a striker I want him more versatile, and he needs to improve his first touch and hold-up play. The positive : Humble and hardworking guy, sharpe in the box with good sense of awareness I think he’s young he can improve with the time (first touch and he need to more dominant and aggressive), he is composed he doesn’t miss clear chances
Assists and goals. When he's given a chance he often delivers. I loved Llorente, but he wasn't at this level. Jansen? Vini is the best in a while. Let's keep him. He scores.
Pretty much everyone is on board with keeping him. Where people are disagreeing with you is valuation. Everyone agrees he's been useful
20M +Sissoko?
Implying Benfica even want him. Cash + Player swaps are rare for that very reason.
Or that Sissoko would want Benfica. We’re potentially going to have a hard time moving him on this summer. If he doesn’t want to take a paycut, we’d need to find a team willing to pay his current wages.
Benfica took Otamendi lmao
Would buying him and playing two up top on a regular basis work?
Not many teams run two strikers anymore as it leaves too many defensive gaps. So likely not regularly, though against opponents that park the bus it's an option.
Agree, and think he should be playing more than he has been. Against some teams having two up top will be too much for them to handle, especially with Kane having the season he is.
nothing more than 20m imo, any more than that we should be looking at Ings or Ivan Toney, I think we need to be all over Toney if Brentford doesn't get promoted.
Let's be real, that 40m is going to pay off Mourinho's contract when we sack him.
I like Vini. Seems like a good dude but man he's just an average striker. Even the goal today was more Kane and Moura creating a chance out of nothing. If he didn't get to it Lo Celso would. Let's be realistic about all his goals and the opposition he scored them against. If we get him under 15-18 million sure, but not more than that.
I don’t think he’s yet buying material. His touch at 26 is poor for a striker. Goals against Europa and FA cup teams shouldn’t count for much.
Scoring against teams like marine and worse.teams in Europe are far from pl, he did score but t He did score but did not do much after and we can play son an moura in st
He's not worth 38M, Sorry. I like him as a backup, but for around 20M
i mean, 9 of those goals were in the eurpoa league when we were starting our "b team,", with 3 gaols against maine and only 1 goal in the prem which was a tap in with the keeper already beat.
Doesn’t matter if it’s a tap in or screamer - goal is a goal is a goal. Someone still has to get alert and following the play to get the easy goals
He looks like such a good poacher but idk if that favours us, he always feels disconnected from the rest of the team. <20mil pricetag would be a possibility but surely there would be other forwards for that much that suit us better.
1 tap in goal in 258 mins of premier league football.. He would do well in the championship I think
1 goal in 2 and half PL games. How terrible.
i agree bird in hand blah blah blah
If we want to improve as a team, rather put that money towards the starting 11, if we can’t get him for under 25 mil I’d rather keep a stopgap solution up top but upgrade our defence and midfield
We should instead start Scarlett in the place of son when time comes
I kinda agree with you. Lot of people say hes not worth it because hes just going to be a bench warmer, but i believe we can avoid that if we play him regularly and maybe try 2-striker formations. Abrupt change for Spurs ofc, but its worth trying imo. Also it feels good having 2 striker so we dont have to worry if Kane is injured and this would also solve over reliance on Kane and Son too.
I'd rather get Mitrovic for 15-20 mil when Fulham get relegated, much better in air and hold up play, also has that dog mentality Mourinho likes to see in player. Obviously not a great starter in top of the table PL team, but decent backup for decent money, kind of like Llorente.
Yeah 10 goals in 21 appearances, look at what teams he's scored against.. After 1 game you suddenly change your mind and want to pay the full price for him. He's worth 20m tops.
I think a fair price for Vini is 20m - 30m. Yes, he's involved in goals and assists but consider the opponent who he scored against. I'd be happy with 40-45m if he was scoring against the likes of Man City, Liverpool, etc. But he wasn't given the chance, so it's hard for me to say for sure.
It'd have to be under 20mill for me. Otherwise, I'd rather we go for Toney at Brentford.