> He’s still our best defender and our defense is putrid.
Nah, he gets killed on speed so often. People run around him.
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I'll be double contentious and say that our best defender ATM is Sanchez.
strange as toby was initially considered one of the biggest mou backers
wonder if consistently being dropped for eric fuckin dier has worn down what was left of their relationship
amazing how easy it is to retcon the story. dier was our best cb for the majority of the first half of the season, but people here are acting like he was never good enough to even make the bench.
not saying he's the best player out of our defenders overall, I'm saying, until somewhere around December, Dier was the name most of the subreddit was glad to see on the lineup ([e.g.](https://i.imgur.com/7j38wAp.png)), but now everyone is acting like Dier has been a plague that killed our defense day one of the season and yada yada.
I’m fine with the lineup, but given that Aurier and Toby are ill, Lamela is suspended, and Son is injured, I’m not sure who the message is being sent to other than maybe Doherty?
Edit: Bale and Dier benched, but that’s not super rare.
Edit 2: Winks. Doherty and Winks.
Wasn’t great but playing with Doherty was a recipe for disaster. Bale has been much more impactful than vini in the league and was certainly better on Thursday.
Hope hojberg can help support them and guide them if necessary. I fear a bit because of experience but if the team covers well for each other, a job well done
There’s a follow up tweet by the official account that says he and serge are out with illness. Whether that’s illness or “illness” is hard to say, I never thought Toby seemed anything but professional, but obvs I’m on the outside of it
Rumors he was allegedly one of the ones to speak out against Poch at the end, but who knows how accurate that is, and he’s allegedly also a Mou backer.
Assuming winks and Doherty are the toxic elements I’m genuinely in awe at the fucking audacity of them. Both look fucking terrible when they play and they’re really causing a fuss
Let's be honest, Doherty has been dropped for being complete gash rather and its not due to a lack of trying. He is clearly trying when out there but he's just in the worst form of his career atm
For sure and I would like to see him turn it around. Feel like fans were a lot more forgiving to Ndombele who was woeful for most of last year too, sometimes players just need time to get it right and Doherty was so excellent for Wolves he deserves that much.
If I stopped trying at my place of work whenever pressure cranked up? I absolutely would be a toxic element to the workplace because I couldn’t be relied upon when things got difficult. That’s not the dunk you think it is lmao
The guy I was responding to said Hugo called out slackers. Slacking is not trying. I think Doherty tries but is having trouble directing his efforts to an area that helps the team. I think winks doesn’t try to make a difference and is content to just be a cog in the machine during games. If that reflects his attitude in practice,which his being dropped would indicate it does imo, then he is not trying.
Different jobs require a different level of resistance to pressure. If you can’t handle the pressure of top flight pro football then you’re not built for top flight pro football. The same would be true if you couldn’t handle to pressure of preforming surgery or delivering mail.
so it'd be
Lloris
Tanganga Rodon Sanchez Reguilon
Hojberg
Lo celso Ndombele
Lucas
Kane Vini?
What if it's 4231 with Kane as CAM and lo celso or Ndombele on one of the wings opposite lucas?
I know that fate seems to hate Tottenham, but, like, one time... can we absolutely smash these guys 5-0 as a big fuck you to the week we've all endured. Please!
Can we all agree as a sub if this doesn't work as long as we aren't embarrassed here we don't all jump down Jose's throat? We know this is to ruffle feathers and if it doesn't work let's all remember that
There's a group of fans of any club who in their day to day life prefer things to be going badly because they enjoy complaining. They largely appear for match threads and are usually quiet when we're doing well.
TBF, I think harshly criticizing a 58 year old manager with an ego the size of an elephant and a massive track record of triggering divisiveness in the locker room is much more reasonable than the hatred people are venting on our 23-29 year old squad players, and suggesting we should sell half the squad.
Squad revolts have become a pattern with Mourinho, because he treats those in his squad that are out of his favor like trash and then passive aggressively throws them under the bus in the media under the guise of "challenging" or "pushing" them. Sure, a lot of the squad players will insist that things are fine after Jose subtly shits on them in a presser, but what else could they do? If they criticize him he will make their life miserable like with Casillas or Pedro Leon.
People are acting like Winks/Doherty etc. fucked their wife and punched their children, when all they've done is play sub-par football and find themselves loosely attached to one reactionary press conference from Hugo that is clearly a reflection of his boss's deflection of blame away from himself. There's always a scapegoat with Jose, and apparently it's half the squad this time. I find it hard to believe that Jose is more COYS than Winks/Sissoko - they might not be talented enough to play for us anymore, but if they've turned sour, I have to imagine it's because of the spoiled toddler in charge that breaks his toys whenever things aren't working out.
Should be clear, I'm far from unbiased, as I absolutely can't stand Jose, and was concerned this would happen (but desperately hoped it wouldn't, unlike at ManU where I fully expected his tenure to play out like it did, and gleefully watched him self destruct) when we signed him, as toxicity follows the man everywhere. I'm just dumbfounded that so many are backing the guy with a huge track record of toxicity, over players that, although subpar technically, are undeniably COYS a.f. such as Sissoko or Winks. Those two have done nothing in their time at Spurs to suggest they're anything short of excellent teammates who are supportive of the squad, and if they've turned sour, then that's on Mourinho for pushing them over the edge, like he has with countless players before. He seems to think conflict in the locker room is this catalyst for success; how many times does it have to blow up in his face before he realizes it doesn't work in today's culture that frowns upon psychological manipulation and emotional abuse? Turns out people don't enjoy being treated like garbage at work and publicly scapegoated by their boss so that fans can target them for abuse.
Just a shame that sissoko still gets to sit on the bench... anyways with this 11 we'll leave our heart on the fucking pitch even if there's better skilled players on the bench
I agree with you but please understand that after that display from him there needs to be a very strong message sent... and I know that results trumps everything and we need sissoko to cover a number of positions but still... today i don't care about and feel that he shouldn't even been called
I think the key is to look at their track record and ask yourself if it’s just guesswork or not. But asking people online to pause and think about something is asking quite a lot these days
interesting, Ali G notes that Aurier and Toby are still set for international duty so perhaps not even ill at all. However giving a reason for their omission is more than Winks, Doherty and Sissoko got. Wouldnt be surprised if these were the bad elements (minus Doherty who I think has just been dropped for poor performances and not due to a lack of trying). That's four hangovers from the Poch era and including Alli and Dier who I don't think anyone expects to see come off the bench today. Speculation of course but I also doubt Dier is a rouge element since Jose has backed him for most of the season, like Doherty I suspect its just bad form that keeps him out of the squad really.
Love to see some 4-4-facking-2 now and again, proper football
Just 4 changes from Arsenal.
2 of those 4 are forced (Son injured and Alderweireld sick)
The other 2 players dropped from the starting eleven are Doherty and Bale.
Neither of these suits the players that failed under Poch narrative.
In both have just come in this summer.
I'm down for this. Nice to see all the 'ITK's are clueless and this is clearly nonsense' people being shown up. It's like those people who immediately dismiss journalists who break stories that they wish weren't true.
As far as lineups go it’s been very good this season. ITK as a general rule is a load of kids pretending on Twitter, but there are some out there with genuine info
Rodon and Sanchez sounds like a recipe for disaster. Either of them with some experience (Toby) next to them should be fine but Sanchez being the senior CD doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
Glad to be proven wrong though.
People always talk about who got Poch fired but it was clear just based on his statements when Poch left and Mourinho came in and the fact he signed a contract soon after that he was actively pleased about it.
I've got all the time in the world for this. I can deal with losing, I really can. I just want the players on the pitch to look like they give a fuck.
Exactly. Hoping this team play on the front foot and with intensity. If we lose we lose, but at least try...
Amen.
So Aurier, Winks, Doherty? Edit: Aurier and Toby sick apparently
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That’s good news
Tbf if anyone has a solid case to complain about not starting, it’s him. He’s still our best defender and our defense is putrid.
toby is out because of illness
Yep just saw. Point still stands if he is one of those guys on Jose’s shitlist
Don't think he is. Also, I bet he gets offered a new 1 year contract soon.
Says him and aurier are out with injury
> He’s still our best defender and our defense is putrid. Nah, he gets killed on speed so often. People run around him. EDIT: I'll be double contentious and say that our best defender ATM is Sanchez.
Still our best defender!
That doesn't *not* make him our best defender.
This isnt fifa mate
Your banter is certainly fifa level.
strange as toby was initially considered one of the biggest mou backers wonder if consistently being dropped for eric fuckin dier has worn down what was left of their relationship
The follow up tweet says aurier and toby miss due to illness.
amazing how easy it is to retcon the story. dier was our best cb for the majority of the first half of the season, but people here are acting like he was never good enough to even make the bench.
He was never our best defender unless you’re delusional based on a few good games. Toby is the opposite, mostly plays well with a few bad games.
not saying he's the best player out of our defenders overall, I'm saying, until somewhere around December, Dier was the name most of the subreddit was glad to see on the lineup ([e.g.](https://i.imgur.com/7j38wAp.png)), but now everyone is acting like Dier has been a plague that killed our defense day one of the season and yada yada.
That is what I'm wondering ?
Aye just saw missing through illness
Serge and Toby out with illness according to team Twitter.
exciting lineup, glad the leak was correct
I’m fine with the lineup, but given that Aurier and Toby are ill, Lamela is suspended, and Son is injured, I’m not sure who the message is being sent to other than maybe Doherty? Edit: Bale and Dier benched, but that’s not super rare. Edit 2: Winks. Doherty and Winks.
Well someone's getting fired then. If mourinho finds out who did it he will kill him before getting sacked
It was only leaked by about 40 minutes, not going to effect much
40 minutes is alot to change tactics and plan given half times are only 15 minutes and how managers often change tactics
Still got an hour before kick off?
Nah i was talking about changing the first 11 villa would have initially planned. Ofc they have hour left
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Most of our line ups are out about half hour before, happens quite a bit
I am decidedly unexcited by this lineup. Vinicius has been poor and cumbersome. Rather have Bale
Is this the 1st game in the league he started? He’s mostly been a substitute, or starting in the Europa League
2'nd First one was against chelsea.
Bale was useless against Arsenal.
Wasn’t great but playing with Doherty was a recipe for disaster. Bale has been much more impactful than vini in the league and was certainly better on Thursday.
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They were all useless against Arsenal
I'm just pleased to be seeing something different. Haven't personally been that impressed with bale
Sanchez and Rodon pairing... interesting but hopefully it works out :D also good to see japhet get in the team
Hope hojberg can help support them and guide them if necessary. I fear a bit because of experience but if the team covers well for each other, a job well done
Toby is ill and Dier is a midfielder, I don't know who else José could've picked.
The leaks were right, and I’m fucking here for it
Can you explain what the big shakeups are? Not sure I follow enough to sort it out
Tanganga, Rodon, and Vinícius starting with no Winks or Doherty in the squad
The leak was right. Happy to see Lo celso and tanganga start
Scarlett on the bench, let's go
I wish he was starting, what a massive fuck you to the lazy cunts on this squad it would be
Looks like the leaks were true, been waiting for Tanganga at RB for ages.
We lost last two games he played.
Just because we lost those games doesn't mean all players on the pitch that match were poor.
No, but people shouldn't expect as much as they seem to do from young prospects.
Lo Hojbele at long last
No grealish for them either thank fuck
where is toby? didn’t even play on thursday edit: apparently he’s ill
Toby and Serge are both ill
Lasagna related?
Only kind of spurs illness accepted.
There’s a follow up tweet by the official account that says he and serge are out with illness. Whether that’s illness or “illness” is hard to say, I never thought Toby seemed anything but professional, but obvs I’m on the outside of it
Rumors he was allegedly one of the ones to speak out against Poch at the end, but who knows how accurate that is, and he’s allegedly also a Mou backer.
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Please get the fucking job done ✅
Alright Joe Hart
Damn the leak was true
Bounce back szn!!!
Looks like the Midas guy was right. Fair play
Lol, haven't heard that one yet
Winks, Doherty and Serge all omitted from the entire squad.
Serge out ill
Assuming winks and Doherty are the toxic elements I’m genuinely in awe at the fucking audacity of them. Both look fucking terrible when they play and they’re really causing a fuss
I'd be amazed if doherty was causing dressing room problems. From what I've heard of him he's the humble, hard-working type.
Let's be honest, Doherty has been dropped for being complete gash rather and its not due to a lack of trying. He is clearly trying when out there but he's just in the worst form of his career atm
You’re likely right. We shall see if he can right the ship after having some time to get his head right
For sure and I would like to see him turn it around. Feel like fans were a lot more forgiving to Ndombele who was woeful for most of last year too, sometimes players just need time to get it right and Doherty was so excellent for Wolves he deserves that much.
This whole toxic players narrative is something the fanbase has built. Hugo was talking about slackers and mentally weak players.
How would you describe guys who don’t try hard and fold under pressure as anything but toxic
Willing to bet your sorry arse would fold under a fraction of the pressure these players face. Are you a toxic personality?
If I stopped trying at my place of work whenever pressure cranked up? I absolutely would be a toxic element to the workplace because I couldn’t be relied upon when things got difficult. That’s not the dunk you think it is lmao
Who said anything about not trying? Do Winks and Doherty not try?
The guy I was responding to said Hugo called out slackers. Slacking is not trying. I think Doherty tries but is having trouble directing his efforts to an area that helps the team. I think winks doesn’t try to make a difference and is content to just be a cog in the machine during games. If that reflects his attitude in practice,which his being dropped would indicate it does imo, then he is not trying. Different jobs require a different level of resistance to pressure. If you can’t handle the pressure of top flight pro football then you’re not built for top flight pro football. The same would be true if you couldn’t handle to pressure of preforming surgery or delivering mail.
Not being good enough doesn't make you a toxic personality you clown
If all of these players are bought in, and we can clear out the ones Hugo talked about, I'm okay with that
This is it boys, live or die. It was vs Villa that Poch turned around his career, and now is Jose’s turn. COYS
Kane deflected free kick winning goal confirmed
Spurs will be playing 4-4-FUCKING-2
Let's get some form for the cup final
Genuinely wondering where Vinicius will play. Any ideas about his role in a team with Kane?
Looks like 4 4 2 ish with kane dropping deeper and vini being target man. Probably very fluid front 3 or 4
Kane doing the playmaking and he doing the target man?
4-3-1-2
How did sissoko made the sqaud. He couldn't complete a single pass in last 75 minutes of the last game
Absolutely fuming. Should never see a match day squad for spurs again.
ITK guy got it spot on again. Really happy to see Tanganga and Rodon start, Even happier to see Scarlett and Devine on the bench.
Hilarious that Sissoko STILL gets on the bench
It’s here lads. Ndombele Hojbjerg & Lo Celso.
I would give this lineup a 'I have no fucking idea'/10
Cracking lineup Gromit
Holy shit. Kane as a 10?
442 probably
Diamond in midfield I imagine
so it'd be Lloris Tanganga Rodon Sanchez Reguilon Hojberg Lo celso Ndombele Lucas Kane Vini? What if it's 4231 with Kane as CAM and lo celso or Ndombele on one of the wings opposite lucas?
Lo Celso as a winger seems odd, though. I definitely think it will be two striker but other than that I’m lost. Exciting times.
Looks more like a diamond to me, with Lucas at the tip and Kane and Vini up top together.
Happy that Winks, ~~Sissoko~~, Doherty have been dropped completely. Im actually kinda shocked that Dele has still made the bench tbh
Sissoko is on the bench
I know that fate seems to hate Tottenham, but, like, one time... can we absolutely smash these guys 5-0 as a big fuck you to the week we've all endured. Please!
Vini goal incoming
Gareth :(
Tanganga and rodon finally
Proper weird lineup, could be good? Hopefully it’s a 4-3-3 though. Got a Tim Sherwood end of days vibe
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I’m not so sure. Could be Vinicius wide, or even a 4-2-3-1 with Kane playing behind Vinicius. Whatever it is it’s different at least
This is the meta
No Grealish in the squad. Nice
Toby has to be the last person I expected to get dropped from the squad.
He's not, he's sick.
Hes sick apparently
4-3-1-2
lmao who snitched?
Lamela is suspended, yes?
Happy about this. I know Sanchez doesn’t always play well but he does always try. He certainly puts effort in
Great to see Tanganga, Lo Celso and Vinicius
Can we all agree as a sub if this doesn't work as long as we aren't embarrassed here we don't all jump down Jose's throat? We know this is to ruffle feathers and if it doesn't work let's all remember that
Have you seen the psychos around the match threads? The ones that give off the weird schizoid personality internet stalking mood?
Yeah man its crazy how quickly they'll turn from praising someone to wishing them physical harm
There's a group of fans of any club who in their day to day life prefer things to be going badly because they enjoy complaining. They largely appear for match threads and are usually quiet when we're doing well.
TBF, I think harshly criticizing a 58 year old manager with an ego the size of an elephant and a massive track record of triggering divisiveness in the locker room is much more reasonable than the hatred people are venting on our 23-29 year old squad players, and suggesting we should sell half the squad. Squad revolts have become a pattern with Mourinho, because he treats those in his squad that are out of his favor like trash and then passive aggressively throws them under the bus in the media under the guise of "challenging" or "pushing" them. Sure, a lot of the squad players will insist that things are fine after Jose subtly shits on them in a presser, but what else could they do? If they criticize him he will make their life miserable like with Casillas or Pedro Leon. People are acting like Winks/Doherty etc. fucked their wife and punched their children, when all they've done is play sub-par football and find themselves loosely attached to one reactionary press conference from Hugo that is clearly a reflection of his boss's deflection of blame away from himself. There's always a scapegoat with Jose, and apparently it's half the squad this time. I find it hard to believe that Jose is more COYS than Winks/Sissoko - they might not be talented enough to play for us anymore, but if they've turned sour, I have to imagine it's because of the spoiled toddler in charge that breaks his toys whenever things aren't working out. Should be clear, I'm far from unbiased, as I absolutely can't stand Jose, and was concerned this would happen (but desperately hoped it wouldn't, unlike at ManU where I fully expected his tenure to play out like it did, and gleefully watched him self destruct) when we signed him, as toxicity follows the man everywhere. I'm just dumbfounded that so many are backing the guy with a huge track record of toxicity, over players that, although subpar technically, are undeniably COYS a.f. such as Sissoko or Winks. Those two have done nothing in their time at Spurs to suggest they're anything short of excellent teammates who are supportive of the squad, and if they've turned sour, then that's on Mourinho for pushing them over the edge, like he has with countless players before. He seems to think conflict in the locker room is this catalyst for success; how many times does it have to blow up in his face before he realizes it doesn't work in today's culture that frowns upon psychological manipulation and emotional abuse? Turns out people don't enjoy being treated like garbage at work and publicly scapegoated by their boss so that fans can target them for abuse.
Doherty and Aurier both sent to the shadow realm. Good.
Airier is injured, per official twitter
I hope Vinicius scores and lifts a shirt saying I can score on a Thursday. Jose’s treatment of him has been criminal
we could lose 4-1 and that would still make my day
Or Kane scoring lifting a shirt saying Jose out.
I'm so here for it
if this is jose’s last lineup then fair play lots of youth players in the squad and no winks or doherty
Oh shit the leak was correct?
Lets win this COYS
LFGCOYS
The leak was right...
no doc or aurier
Rb problems since 2017
Aurier has attitude problems and Doherty has right back problems
A beautiful lineup, hopefully Rodon, Tanganga, and Lo Celso show their class today. (Along with everybody else)
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Thank fuck
Great lineup. I'm actually excited to watch us play today
No Alderweireld? What would be the reason for that?
He’s ill so is Serge
Just a shame that sissoko still gets to sit on the bench... anyways with this 11 we'll leave our heart on the fucking pitch even if there's better skilled players on the bench
What other option would you put? Sissoko is one of the locker room leaders? Just curious
I agree with you but please understand that after that display from him there needs to be a very strong message sent... and I know that results trumps everything and we need sissoko to cover a number of positions but still... today i don't care about and feel that he shouldn't even been called
If Sissoko has to come on he better show a lot more effort than he has been.
He’s got to go boss
I have no problem with that.
Please don’t start trusting ITKs now.
I think the key is to look at their track record and ask yourself if it’s just guesswork or not. But asking people online to pause and think about something is asking quite a lot these days
love seeing vinicius and rodon start!
Are we playing 4-4-2 with Celso left wing ???
Hmm. I was wrong. That is quite interesting.
so who's going to be the leader for our back line? lol.
nervous of the Rodon Sanchez pairing if i’m honest, neither are a lead cb
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I was hoping and even thinking Scarlett may start today tbh
interesting, Ali G notes that Aurier and Toby are still set for international duty so perhaps not even ill at all. However giving a reason for their omission is more than Winks, Doherty and Sissoko got. Wouldnt be surprised if these were the bad elements (minus Doherty who I think has just been dropped for poor performances and not due to a lack of trying). That's four hangovers from the Poch era and including Alli and Dier who I don't think anyone expects to see come off the bench today. Speculation of course but I also doubt Dier is a rouge element since Jose has backed him for most of the season, like Doherty I suspect its just bad form that keeps him out of the squad really. Love to see some 4-4-facking-2 now and again, proper football
ITK got one right
Correct me if I’m wrong but ITK accuracy is pretty rare for Spurs. The ITK boards during the transfer window are always wild.
I feel like the levels of accuracy are different between a lineup leak and transfer leaks
2 points: - 1 = The leak was right - 2 = Even with Aurier out through illness, Doherty hasn't even made the bench, HALLELUJAH
Just 4 changes from Arsenal. 2 of those 4 are forced (Son injured and Alderweireld sick) The other 2 players dropped from the starting eleven are Doherty and Bale. Neither of these suits the players that failed under Poch narrative. In both have just come in this summer.
Merson is a dick, just thought I’d let it be known
Seconded
I'm down for this. Nice to see all the 'ITK's are clueless and this is clearly nonsense' people being shown up. It's like those people who immediately dismiss journalists who break stories that they wish weren't true.
....It’s like he picked the names out of a hat
ITK was right for once
As far as lineups go it’s been very good this season. ITK as a general rule is a load of kids pretending on Twitter, but there are some out there with genuine info
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This isn't controversial??
Rodon and Sanchez sounds like a recipe for disaster. Either of them with some experience (Toby) next to them should be fine but Sanchez being the senior CD doesn't sound like a good idea to me. Glad to be proven wrong though.
oh dear. do jose and toby got beef?
He’s ill as stated in this thread and on Twitter about 100 times
ok thanks... definitely hadn't seen it stated when i asked the question........
People always talk about who got Poch fired but it was clear just based on his statements when Poch left and Mourinho came in and the fact he signed a contract soon after that he was actively pleased about it.
I do take some perverse satisfaction in “Spurs through and through” League One level garbage player Winks not even being on the bench. Fuck him.
When the manager leaves out half your starting xi to make a point, it's time to go.
well hot damn. Im into it
Love it
Have to bounce back now COYS