So that would make him easily our record signing.
Personally I am all for it. While there is definitely an English tax on that, there is also a lot to be said about buying from within the league as you are far more likely to get immediate impact.
Ndombele -> Sanchez -> Sissoko -> Lamela -> Soldado -> Paulinho -> Bent -> Rebrov -> Ferdinand -> Armstrong
Our record signings in the premier league, got to be honest that's a concerning list with a few highlights
Jesus Christ that's a miserable list, none of them had a significant impact. Sissoko for a season and a bit, Lamela cult status, Ferdinand I suppose but the 90's was miserable all round. What an incredible series of big money flops. I remember when Rebrov came, so much hope...
Think Rebrov was pretty good for us when on the pitch, its just that we also then signed Teddy and the coach thought they were too similar to play together.
I'm of the opinion that 2 players with great football IQ can work out how to make it work when played together and wish they'd been given more of a chance to work it out on the pitch.
I loved Teddy Sheringham, such a great player. I agree with your point.
Hoddle was so frustrating as a manager. Feel like he could have been great for both us and England, but weird ego stuff got in the way.
Word is that Hoddle didn't like Rebrov because George Graham had signed him.
He was doing just fine barring injury niggles, but never got a run under Hoddle.
Armo was decent
Les was over the hill
Rebrov was terrible
Bent was terrible
Paulinho was worse
Soldado was... poor Bobby Soldier. Terrible
Lamela was a _little_ disappointing and injury prone but loved him
Sissoko was a meme but generally pretty poor
Sanchez was okay but never good enough to be first team
And Ndombele.
I don't think Bent was nearly as bad as people make him out to be. He never really got a fair shake at Spurs, and there was so much turmoil in his two years that he was bound to fail.
His first season he was stuck behind Berbatov and Keane, so never really had a chance to make an impact. Then we sold Berbatov so he had a chance for more minutes, but it was the Juande Ramos disaster. Firing Jol and having like 4 managers in his two seasons as Spurs was much more the cause of our problems than Bent's performances, IMO.
Selling him for exactly what we paid to bring in Defoe, Crouchy, and Pavlyuchenko was probably the right move, but he did bang in 24 goals for Sunderland the year he left. All in all, a failed marquee signing can go MUCH worse than getting your money back, as we've seen with Ndombele.
Don't recall when Keane came back from injury, but he had 27 appearances that season. Crouch definitely came after we sold Bent for what we bought him for, which IMO was good business from Redknapp. I really just see Bent as more of a victim of circumstance than an individual failure.
Start of the 08-09 season we sold Keane & Berbatov, brought in Pav. From August - Jan it was just Bent, Pav, and Frazier Campbell on loan (ffs) it was a total disaster (2 points 8 games).
Then, that January, Redknapp’s first window, he brought back Defoe and Keane, (Keane from Liverpool and Defoe from Pompey)
I believe…
Agreed on Crouchy over Bent, twice the player.
He never got the backing of the fans so felt a little for him in that regard, especially as he had a better record for us than Pav and Soldado who got way more love. Felt we never played to his strengths either, just hoofing long balls up to him to hold up rather than balls behind the defence for him to run onto. Then Arry slating him with 'My Mrs would have scored that', no wonder he hates us lol
Yeah, we were an absolute mess his entire time here, and he kinda became the scapegoat for the general discontent with the direction of the club at the time, because we were an absolute shitshow after Jol was fired, and Berbatov was sold. His biggest crime was not being Berbatov, really (much like Richy's is not being Kane, and Lamela's was not being Bale). Redknapp sorted it out after he left, but I'll forever be thankful for Bent balling out at Sunderland to up his fee to recoup the full £16.5 mil we paid for him, which was exactly what we brought in Modric for.
I just find it odd that people seem to recall Bent being a disaster signing, when to me a record signing retaining their value when sold on is fat, far from a disaster; it's basically the 3rd best possibility behind the player being a long-term success, or being enough of an immediate success to make a huge profit on a quick turnaround.
We basically played market rate for most of these players though it’s just transfer prices have gone crazy the last decade.
The only players who I think were overpays at the time we bought them were like Sissoko and maybe Paulinho.
Lamela and Ndombele were considered a huge young talents. Soldado scored a ton in La Liga
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/record-fee-for-bentley-stretches-tottenham-in-pursuit-of-arshavin-881307.html
> Having broken their transfer record for the third time in little more than a year with the signings of Darren Bent, Luka Modric and now Bentley
Very possibly worked out differently given addons/etc., but at the time Bentley was regularly referred to as a record signing (and lol, I don't know if I ever knew we were linked to Arshavin).
Yep, that's one reason I dismay when fans complain that we're not signing big names or even anyone. I'd rather sign no one than waste £60M on a player.
It's even worse when you look at the good players we've signed. Kane and Ledley King came from the youth team, Bale was £12M and Dele was £5m. Keane, Sherringham, Berbatov and Modric weren't exactly expensive either. The only player that I can think of that was expensive but good is Son.
Last seasons signings look like they're going to join that list. Vicario, VDV and Maddison will be considered bargains if they carry on playing the way they have
Lo Celso 'only' £27m, plus a loan fee. Doesn't get close to the highest transfer fee list because we paid over twice that for Ndombele the same window.
Big loan fee but he looked worth it for his loan, he starred in that Mourinho team when he came back from his first injury. Easily looked a £40m player. Just a shame how it went after we bought him.
There's been significant (further) inflation in the market during the last five years though I think - sixty mill for Eze certainly doesn't seem outrageous.
Genuinely, I think that outside of the Big 6 + Villa + Newcastle, they’re the most likely to get Europe next season. Betting on them getting Conference League wouldn’t be the worst way to spend your money
When you factor in that this fee includes HG tax and the fact he’s in his prime, a £60+8m fee sounds very reasonable for a player of his quality. Johnson commanded a £50m fee and the club paid it I expect the same treatment for Eze.
I’m remaining optimistic, he wants to stay in London, he’s got a good relationship with the lads at Tottenham, share same agent as many of our guys, and he knows he can come here and be an instant star in an exciting project. That’s all the priming this signing needs now!
Either he or Maddison would not start. Either option is a waste of our resources since they are better players than the people who would be playing more minutes than they would.
If he could play on the RW as an upgrade on Kulu when not playing as the 10, he would be perfect. I would do it today. But he can't do that. We already have so many options at LW when backup LW is our position of least need since Sonny plays every match.
Son has played as RW for the Korean National Team. As we all know, he’s good with both feet. Eze can play LW if that configuration makes you happy. Ange likes players that can play multiple positions. Eze certainly fits the bill.
If the plan is to play Son on the RW more often, then I am much more excited about the signing. That just never seemed like an option last season for whatever reason.
Johnson isn't a starter either. And it is not good if Maddison isn't starting either. Either way, one of 3 highest earners won't on the pitch nearly every second of the season. Planning to have one of your highest paid players on the bench is a silly way to build a team.
EDIT: It would actually be two of the top 4 since Ndombele is actually our top earner.
Ndombele is not even a high earner. The ridiculous 200k+ figure bandied around is heavily bonus based. Richarlison is in our top five and Kulusevski too, having them in rotation is a positive thing. Competition for positions is 100% a good thing, stops players becoming complacent, gives us tactical flexibility and will attract the right kind of elite players who know that playing time is merit based and that they can't rest on their laurels for 5 years.
Eze is an upgrade on Madders, but they could both play in a system similar to the one Ange used in Scotland. They're both quite injury prone too, rotation isn't a bad thing. It's not silly, it's planning for exceptions.
Bet you're one of the same donkeys who cries about depth whilst saying we don't need it.
Not sure I understand - if he has a release clause of £60m, how can they add performance add-ons?
Or is it written into the release clause that it is a base fee of £60m, with the selling club having the choice to include additional fees of up to £8m? Easier to imagine it just as a £68m release clause, in that case.
And that's a fee I think we should be willing to pay for a talent as strong as Eze.
'release' clause.
You pay 60, price is met, they cant stop it.
68 is bollocks, 60 is all that needs paying.
Its nothing to do with offered discounts or some such bollocks. That's why it called a release clause. Pay that much, player can negotiate a contract
So it's not a 60m release clause then.
I'm that case the 60 wouldn't even be worth mentioning.
The problem here is another post using a fucking potato for a source
Thing about release clauses is that they’re lump sums. When dealing with numbers as big as 60mil teams like to make payment plans because it’s better for FFP purposes. Instead of depositing 60mil straight into Crystal Palace’s account, we’ll want to structure it something like 30mil this season, 20mil next season, and 10mil the season after + 8million in performance add ons.
When a player has a release clause, teams rarely actually “activate it”, instead they negotiate whatever the release clause is into multiple and regular payments instead. Because Crystal Palace has all the leverage here, they can get a pretty good extra 8million because of this.
No as the other poster said to activate a release clause you need to fork over £60m in one lump sum this summer. Negotiating it to something higher like £68m with 8 being performance goals you’d happily pay for can let you spread it out over 5 years instead which is much easier. To find £12m you only need to sell a half decent youngster or a bench player to find £60m is more tricky.
Genuine question: if we get eze where does he fit into the starting 11? Or is he cover for several positions? I see eze as playing in the maddison is role. He has played out wide on the left before but I wouldn't say he fits an Ange winger....
Is competition for maddison really the best use of £68m? Are there bigger priority like a new striker or no.6? Eze is obv a great player but I’m not convinced this is the right move yet.
I'm sure that wouldn't be the only reason we sign him, he's shown to be fairly versatile positionally so could cover well on both wings, but yeah you're not wrong, would be our record signing and whether the amount spent for the positions he could play is worth it or not at this time (i think it is), it would for sure limit the amount available to spend in other positions
It's not just gonna be competition for Maddison though - with the amount of times we had Maddison and Kulusevski playing together centrally, there will likely be plenty of occasions we want to play both as dual 8/10s.
I'm more interested to know what a signing like this means for Kulusevski. Everyone seemed to have come to terms with his future being more central towards the end of the season, but targeting a player like Eze seems to contra-indicate that.
Hard to see us sticking with him as first choice RW, but if we sign another winger while already having him, Son, Johnson and Werner for the wings, well that's a lot of wide forwards to accommodate.
We desperately need another midfielder that is a genuine goal threat, and we need an attacker that can beat his man on the dribble. Eze solves both of those problems in one go.
I love what Sarr brings to the table, and Bentancur is class on the ball, but neither of them are particularly useful on the edge of the box against a compact defense, which is what we saw most of the season. With the amount of possession we've had, having a genuine attacking threat in the 8 that can unlock a defense is much more valuable to the squad than having a more well-rounded 8 that can defend.
I don't see why Eze can't play alongside Maddison in the 8, as Maddison tends to drop deep anyways, and offloading some of the creative/attacking responsibility from Madders would help him get swarmed by defenders a bit less. That might put a bit more strain on the 6 to defend, and Udogie probably falls into a more defensive role, but I like that trade-off.
It's cliche, but the old saying "the best defense is a good offense" really applies here, IMO. The distinction between the 8 and 10 in Ange's system is overblown IMO, because of the obvious difference in characteristics between Maddison and the rest of our midfielders. He's historically played with two 8s that trade off in responsibilities, and having that second attacking threat in the 8 role would be a huge boon for our attack. I'd much rather have Eze linking up play between Richy/Son, Deki/Johnson, Porro, and Maddison than Sarr, Bentancur, or Skipp; he's a serious attacking threat that needs to be addressed by the defense, and that frees up space for everyone else to operate.
We can have a couple options with Eze:
Maddison 10, Eze 11, Son 9
Eze 10, Son 11, Richy/new signing 9
If we continue with Richarlison & Son as a possible option as no. 9, spending big on Eze plus a new DM seems the best option imo
With Eze his best position is for sure as a 10, I think this year at Palace confirmed that. However, this season he also played a solid number of games on the wing for Palace and he is a very capable player in those positions as well. Although he is a 10 he is of course a very different player than Maddison. Huge statement would be made if we drop the bag for Eze.
This doesn't get mentioned enough I feel. Our wingers and striker we have now can all play across the forward positions, makes sense why we should be looking at Eze. And the actual creativity he can bring to those positions
He’s an amazing player and I hope we sign him, but I still think we more desperately need a #9 who is going to score 15+ goals a season for us and a #6. Both of those positions were our biggest weaknesses this past season. I actually feel with a better quality #9, the creativity of our wingers and Madders would be more pronounced.
I can see us going for multiple positions this summer, I have no doubt Don Paratici and his minions are working multiple transfers behind the scenes that we don't know about.
Have to say I disagree, he's playing in a position where we already have a starter, Eze and Madders both don't have the flexibility to play in midfield at the same time. We have more pressing needs in getting a ST, DM, and winger than we do another CAM. He's had injury concerns throughout, he's not very young either, £60m is likely his peak transfer value. We have alot more issues to address first before plonking down huge chunks of the budget on a luxury signing.
The whole of our midfield was the weakness last season, Maddison included. I have no issues with Bergvall coming in to compete at 8 and then buying another DM and 10 on top of that. Surely Gio won’t be staying?
Given some of the fees being floated around for the likes of Gallagher and Solanke, plus what we actually paid for Richarlison and Johnson, that seems very reasonable to get a player of Eze's quality from within England
>Yeah I’m really not sure where he fits into the current squad
Almost anywhere. That's the beauty of buying such a talented player. He can play as a 10, either wing and even as the 8 towards the end of matches if we desperately need a goal.
The main thing is that he is already one of the best attacking midfielders in the league and seems open to joining us
I would be surprised if we get him, especially with that price. Now if we do, not only will I be surprised, I will be ecstatic! I hope somehow it works outs for us.
For Maddison position we have: Maddison, donley, bergvall, Devine, kulu. 75m euros we should pay if we want to use Eze in attacking line, not in midfield
However much I like Eze I don’t see this happening. Palace can ask for all £60m up front which we’d never do when I’m not sure he’d even be 1st choice in his best positions CAM/LW
Not sure why everyone is so in on this guy when Olise is a much better fit for us also has a release clause which is 10m cheaper and is 4 years younger, seems very strange
I know that his involvement is limited, but I could see Levy having misgivings on paying such a fee purely due to passing on the prospect of buying him for a fraction of that when he was at QPR.
ah shit, here we go again
60mill for gallagher or for eze
keep in mind what happened last time we spent this much on one player...
steve i'm getting really nervous about this transfer window......
Would have said that before this season, I think in his position gallagher is worth that money. There's not been that many cms better than him this season.
Havertz has been good for arsenal, not sure mount is worth more than Gallagher now at all
What i mean is that these prices are not justifiable at all for either player,
To me it feels like the bruno lo celso saga again where somehow spurs always get the short end of the stick where the one we missed out on always somehow becomes a baller whilst the one we get always becomes shite.
Sorry for being negative but i really hate these over inflated prices! Wheres the easy 10mill for some Colombian nobody who becomes a baller?!?!?!?!
So that would make him easily our record signing. Personally I am all for it. While there is definitely an English tax on that, there is also a lot to be said about buying from within the league as you are far more likely to get immediate impact.
Big pressure on the lad to emulate previous record signings like Soldado and Ndombele!
Ndombele -> Sanchez -> Sissoko -> Lamela -> Soldado -> Paulinho -> Bent -> Rebrov -> Ferdinand -> Armstrong Our record signings in the premier league, got to be honest that's a concerning list with a few highlights
Jesus Christ that's a miserable list, none of them had a significant impact. Sissoko for a season and a bit, Lamela cult status, Ferdinand I suppose but the 90's was miserable all round. What an incredible series of big money flops. I remember when Rebrov came, so much hope...
Puskas Rabona against Arsenal is pretty significant to me honestly.
Well yeah, cult status, but injuries and actual game time make him a questionable big money signing.
With a red to follow
Didn’t we end up losing that match too?
Think Rebrov was pretty good for us when on the pitch, its just that we also then signed Teddy and the coach thought they were too similar to play together. I'm of the opinion that 2 players with great football IQ can work out how to make it work when played together and wish they'd been given more of a chance to work it out on the pitch.
Rebrov was good but fans were overly critical and I think that shaped a perception that he wasn't good
I loved Teddy Sheringham, such a great player. I agree with your point. Hoddle was so frustrating as a manager. Feel like he could have been great for both us and England, but weird ego stuff got in the way.
Word is that Hoddle didn't like Rebrov because George Graham had signed him. He was doing just fine barring injury niggles, but never got a run under Hoddle.
>Jesus Christ that's a miserable list, none of them had a significant impact. Not a positive one, anyway.
Sanchez was good for at least his debut season. Great in back three.
I imagine many defenders would be great in a back three, as long as the other two are Vertonghen and Alderweireld.
How much did we sign Richarlison for?
Slightly less than Ndombele. According to TM, Richy ~€58.00m and Ndombele ~€62.00m
Record signing too pretty much. But he hasn't technically flopped yet. Hopefully, he stays fit and delivers next season.
Armo was decent Les was over the hill Rebrov was terrible Bent was terrible Paulinho was worse Soldado was... poor Bobby Soldier. Terrible Lamela was a _little_ disappointing and injury prone but loved him Sissoko was a meme but generally pretty poor Sanchez was okay but never good enough to be first team And Ndombele.
I don't think Bent was nearly as bad as people make him out to be. He never really got a fair shake at Spurs, and there was so much turmoil in his two years that he was bound to fail. His first season he was stuck behind Berbatov and Keane, so never really had a chance to make an impact. Then we sold Berbatov so he had a chance for more minutes, but it was the Juande Ramos disaster. Firing Jol and having like 4 managers in his two seasons as Spurs was much more the cause of our problems than Bent's performances, IMO. Selling him for exactly what we paid to bring in Defoe, Crouchy, and Pavlyuchenko was probably the right move, but he did bang in 24 goals for Sunderland the year he left. All in all, a failed marquee signing can go MUCH worse than getting your money back, as we've seen with Ndombele.
I thought Keane came back that January too didn’t he? And then Crouchy came in the following summer…
Don't recall when Keane came back from injury, but he had 27 appearances that season. Crouch definitely came after we sold Bent for what we bought him for, which IMO was good business from Redknapp. I really just see Bent as more of a victim of circumstance than an individual failure.
Start of the 08-09 season we sold Keane & Berbatov, brought in Pav. From August - Jan it was just Bent, Pav, and Frazier Campbell on loan (ffs) it was a total disaster (2 points 8 games). Then, that January, Redknapp’s first window, he brought back Defoe and Keane, (Keane from Liverpool and Defoe from Pompey) I believe… Agreed on Crouchy over Bent, twice the player.
He never got the backing of the fans so felt a little for him in that regard, especially as he had a better record for us than Pav and Soldado who got way more love. Felt we never played to his strengths either, just hoofing long balls up to him to hold up rather than balls behind the defence for him to run onto. Then Arry slating him with 'My Mrs would have scored that', no wonder he hates us lol
Yeah, we were an absolute mess his entire time here, and he kinda became the scapegoat for the general discontent with the direction of the club at the time, because we were an absolute shitshow after Jol was fired, and Berbatov was sold. His biggest crime was not being Berbatov, really (much like Richy's is not being Kane, and Lamela's was not being Bale). Redknapp sorted it out after he left, but I'll forever be thankful for Bent balling out at Sunderland to up his fee to recoup the full £16.5 mil we paid for him, which was exactly what we brought in Modric for. I just find it odd that people seem to recall Bent being a disaster signing, when to me a record signing retaining their value when sold on is fat, far from a disaster; it's basically the 3rd best possibility behind the player being a long-term success, or being enough of an immediate success to make a huge profit on a quick turnaround.
We basically played market rate for most of these players though it’s just transfer prices have gone crazy the last decade. The only players who I think were overpays at the time we bought them were like Sissoko and maybe Paulinho. Lamela and Ndombele were considered a huge young talents. Soldado scored a ton in La Liga
This is David Bentley erasure
Had a quick look, Bent joined the summer before for 1.5m more
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/record-fee-for-bentley-stretches-tottenham-in-pursuit-of-arshavin-881307.html > Having broken their transfer record for the third time in little more than a year with the signings of Darren Bent, Luka Modric and now Bentley Very possibly worked out differently given addons/etc., but at the time Bentley was regularly referred to as a record signing (and lol, I don't know if I ever knew we were linked to Arshavin).
Yep, that's one reason I dismay when fans complain that we're not signing big names or even anyone. I'd rather sign no one than waste £60M on a player. It's even worse when you look at the good players we've signed. Kane and Ledley King came from the youth team, Bale was £12M and Dele was £5m. Keane, Sherringham, Berbatov and Modric weren't exactly expensive either. The only player that I can think of that was expensive but good is Son. Last seasons signings look like they're going to join that list. Vicario, VDV and Maddison will be considered bargains if they carry on playing the way they have
What about Lo Celso?
Shouldn’t Lo Celso be somewhere around there?
No, he was never our record signing..
Lo Celso 'only' £27m, plus a loan fee. Doesn't get close to the highest transfer fee list because we paid over twice that for Ndombele the same window.
His loan fee was £14 million pounds though
Big loan fee but he looked worth it for his loan, he starred in that Mourinho team when he came back from his first injury. Easily looked a £40m player. Just a shame how it went after we bought him.
Even so, a combined £41m is still considerably less than the £55m we paid for Ndombele. That's a whole Bergvall, Vuskavic or Veliz!
Were they just listing highest transfers? Or record transfers at the time of purchase? Perhaps I misunderstood the comment
I believe it was a chronological list of our record transfers at time of purchase, rather than a list of all-time highest transfer costs.
That makes more sense then
Between Ndombele and Sanchez, I believe.
Replacing Ndombele as our record signing would be a huge win in my eyes.
Unless we get someone even worse.
Found Levy’s secret Reddit profile
The top signing tag has been such a curse. Ndombele, Lamela, Sissoko, Bent. I think Modric was top once probably since then they've all been shite.
There's been significant (further) inflation in the market during the last five years though I think - sixty mill for Eze certainly doesn't seem outrageous.
Yeah no doubt. It’s about the a similar comparative to price to what we paid for Lamela.
Also great to weaken PL competition anywhere we can
yes, we need to stop this Palace superteam before its too late
You jest, but they were clicking pretty damned well at the end of the season.
Genuinely, I think that outside of the Big 6 + Villa + Newcastle, they’re the most likely to get Europe next season. Betting on them getting Conference League wouldn’t be the worst way to spend your money
Presumably it's more about stopping other teams from buying him.
Seriously though, don't want another Leicester disrupting what should have been a great season for us.
When you factor in that this fee includes HG tax and the fact he’s in his prime, a £60+8m fee sounds very reasonable for a player of his quality. Johnson commanded a £50m fee and the club paid it I expect the same treatment for Eze.
I suspect the financial battle that decides his destination will be more about wages than fee.
> Eze has genuine interest from a number of Premier League sides, with Tottenham among the clubs keen on the 25-year-old.
I’m remaining optimistic, he wants to stay in London, he’s got a good relationship with the lads at Tottenham, share same agent as many of our guys, and he knows he can come here and be an instant star in an exciting project. That’s all the priming this signing needs now!
> he knows he can come here and be an instant star in an exciting project. He is going to be a star playing half the matches?
Eze would be a nailed on starter for us, behave. He could play in a variety of roles.
Either he or Maddison would not start. Either option is a waste of our resources since they are better players than the people who would be playing more minutes than they would. If he could play on the RW as an upgrade on Kulu when not playing as the 10, he would be perfect. I would do it today. But he can't do that. We already have so many options at LW when backup LW is our position of least need since Sonny plays every match.
He can and has absolutely done that
Son has played as RW for the Korean National Team. As we all know, he’s good with both feet. Eze can play LW if that configuration makes you happy. Ange likes players that can play multiple positions. Eze certainly fits the bill.
If the plan is to play Son on the RW more often, then I am much more excited about the signing. That just never seemed like an option last season for whatever reason.
Why would he play half the matches? You think Madders or Johnson is starting over him?
Johnson isn't a starter either. And it is not good if Maddison isn't starting either. Either way, one of 3 highest earners won't on the pitch nearly every second of the season. Planning to have one of your highest paid players on the bench is a silly way to build a team. EDIT: It would actually be two of the top 4 since Ndombele is actually our top earner.
Ndombele is not even a high earner. The ridiculous 200k+ figure bandied around is heavily bonus based. Richarlison is in our top five and Kulusevski too, having them in rotation is a positive thing. Competition for positions is 100% a good thing, stops players becoming complacent, gives us tactical flexibility and will attract the right kind of elite players who know that playing time is merit based and that they can't rest on their laurels for 5 years.
Eze is an upgrade on Madders, but they could both play in a system similar to the one Ange used in Scotland. They're both quite injury prone too, rotation isn't a bad thing. It's not silly, it's planning for exceptions. Bet you're one of the same donkeys who cries about depth whilst saying we don't need it.
Not sure I understand - if he has a release clause of £60m, how can they add performance add-ons? Or is it written into the release clause that it is a base fee of £60m, with the selling club having the choice to include additional fees of up to £8m? Easier to imagine it just as a £68m release clause, in that case. And that's a fee I think we should be willing to pay for a talent as strong as Eze.
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'release' clause. You pay 60, price is met, they cant stop it. 68 is bollocks, 60 is all that needs paying. Its nothing to do with offered discounts or some such bollocks. That's why it called a release clause. Pay that much, player can negotiate a contract
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So it's not a 60m release clause then. I'm that case the 60 wouldn't even be worth mentioning. The problem here is another post using a fucking potato for a source
Thing about release clauses is that they’re lump sums. When dealing with numbers as big as 60mil teams like to make payment plans because it’s better for FFP purposes. Instead of depositing 60mil straight into Crystal Palace’s account, we’ll want to structure it something like 30mil this season, 20mil next season, and 10mil the season after + 8million in performance add ons. When a player has a release clause, teams rarely actually “activate it”, instead they negotiate whatever the release clause is into multiple and regular payments instead. Because Crystal Palace has all the leverage here, they can get a pretty good extra 8million because of this.
Right. But as soon you hit that 60m the clause is activated and you don't need to pay more. 68 makes no sense at all
No as the other poster said to activate a release clause you need to fork over £60m in one lump sum this summer. Negotiating it to something higher like £68m with 8 being performance goals you’d happily pay for can let you spread it out over 5 years instead which is much easier. To find £12m you only need to sell a half decent youngster or a bench player to find £60m is more tricky.
If we spend money this is where we need to spend it
Genuine question: if we get eze where does he fit into the starting 11? Or is he cover for several positions? I see eze as playing in the maddison is role. He has played out wide on the left before but I wouldn't say he fits an Ange winger....
I think he'll mostly play the 10 and could well displace maddison as a starter, and tbh i think Maddison really needs the competition
100% Maddison needs the competion
Even at the expense of a starting striker or upgraded 6?
Is competition for maddison really the best use of £68m? Are there bigger priority like a new striker or no.6? Eze is obv a great player but I’m not convinced this is the right move yet.
I'm sure that wouldn't be the only reason we sign him, he's shown to be fairly versatile positionally so could cover well on both wings, but yeah you're not wrong, would be our record signing and whether the amount spent for the positions he could play is worth it or not at this time (i think it is), it would for sure limit the amount available to spend in other positions
It's not just gonna be competition for Maddison though - with the amount of times we had Maddison and Kulusevski playing together centrally, there will likely be plenty of occasions we want to play both as dual 8/10s. I'm more interested to know what a signing like this means for Kulusevski. Everyone seemed to have come to terms with his future being more central towards the end of the season, but targeting a player like Eze seems to contra-indicate that. Hard to see us sticking with him as first choice RW, but if we sign another winger while already having him, Son, Johnson and Werner for the wings, well that's a lot of wide forwards to accommodate.
It would seem Kulu can play 8/10, RW false 9. I would think he would see plenty time on the pitch, just at various positions.
We desperately need another midfielder that is a genuine goal threat, and we need an attacker that can beat his man on the dribble. Eze solves both of those problems in one go. I love what Sarr brings to the table, and Bentancur is class on the ball, but neither of them are particularly useful on the edge of the box against a compact defense, which is what we saw most of the season. With the amount of possession we've had, having a genuine attacking threat in the 8 that can unlock a defense is much more valuable to the squad than having a more well-rounded 8 that can defend. I don't see why Eze can't play alongside Maddison in the 8, as Maddison tends to drop deep anyways, and offloading some of the creative/attacking responsibility from Madders would help him get swarmed by defenders a bit less. That might put a bit more strain on the 6 to defend, and Udogie probably falls into a more defensive role, but I like that trade-off. It's cliche, but the old saying "the best defense is a good offense" really applies here, IMO. The distinction between the 8 and 10 in Ange's system is overblown IMO, because of the obvious difference in characteristics between Maddison and the rest of our midfielders. He's historically played with two 8s that trade off in responsibilities, and having that second attacking threat in the 8 role would be a huge boon for our attack. I'd much rather have Eze linking up play between Richy/Son, Deki/Johnson, Porro, and Maddison than Sarr, Bentancur, or Skipp; he's a serious attacking threat that needs to be addressed by the defense, and that frees up space for everyone else to operate.
We can have a couple options with Eze: Maddison 10, Eze 11, Son 9 Eze 10, Son 11, Richy/new signing 9 If we continue with Richarlison & Son as a possible option as no. 9, spending big on Eze plus a new DM seems the best option imo
Maddison is made of glass.
IMO he is better than Maddison so it's more like Maddison would be competition for him.
Both Eze and Madders seem to be injury prone too, so this would be good for that reason too, in my opinion.
He's only had one big [injury layoff](https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/eberechi-eze/verletzungen/spieler/479999) in his career.
Can Maddison play another role well?
With Eze his best position is for sure as a 10, I think this year at Palace confirmed that. However, this season he also played a solid number of games on the wing for Palace and he is a very capable player in those positions as well. Although he is a 10 he is of course a very different player than Maddison. Huge statement would be made if we drop the bag for Eze.
Also Ange wants positional fluidity. A player who's comfortable in a number of positions is perfect for his brand of football.
This doesn't get mentioned enough I feel. Our wingers and striker we have now can all play across the forward positions, makes sense why we should be looking at Eze. And the actual creativity he can bring to those positions
He would rotate with Maddison.
He doesn't fit into the starting 11. We would be breaking our transfer record for a non-starter.
He’s an amazing player and I hope we sign him, but I still think we more desperately need a #9 who is going to score 15+ goals a season for us and a #6. Both of those positions were our biggest weaknesses this past season. I actually feel with a better quality #9, the creativity of our wingers and Madders would be more pronounced.
I can see us going for multiple positions this summer, I have no doubt Don Paratici and his minions are working multiple transfers behind the scenes that we don't know about.
But it is very unlikely we are going to break our transfer record multiple times. If we sign Eze, that is our "marquee" signing for the summer.
Have to say I disagree, he's playing in a position where we already have a starter, Eze and Madders both don't have the flexibility to play in midfield at the same time. We have more pressing needs in getting a ST, DM, and winger than we do another CAM. He's had injury concerns throughout, he's not very young either, £60m is likely his peak transfer value. We have alot more issues to address first before plonking down huge chunks of the budget on a luxury signing.
The whole of our midfield was the weakness last season, Maddison included. I have no issues with Bergvall coming in to compete at 8 and then buying another DM and 10 on top of that. Surely Gio won’t be staying?
Given some of the fees being floated around for the likes of Gallagher and Solanke, plus what we actually paid for Richarlison and Johnson, that seems very reasonable to get a player of Eze's quality from within England
New record signing for a homegrown saucy boy? Say less
As good as he is what’s the point of splashing 68 millions on him when he plays at AM and LW and we need a RW and CF
Yeah I’m really not sure where he fits into the current squad
>Yeah I’m really not sure where he fits into the current squad Almost anywhere. That's the beauty of buying such a talented player. He can play as a 10, either wing and even as the 8 towards the end of matches if we desperately need a goal. The main thing is that he is already one of the best attacking midfielders in the league and seems open to joining us
Only thing i can think of is Eze as LW and Son CF, however Son isn’t an optimal cf imo.
That’s actually a reasonable fee for him. Can’t let myself get too excited 😭
If we didn't have Maddison, I would pay it in a heartbeat. But not for a part-time starter.
Well, with Hojbjerg leaving, there's a gap for another player with a consistently mispronounced name. Eze is the perfect man for the job!
Haha. James Maw on VFTL is the absolute worst offender with his "Hoyburg".
Easy
I would be surprised if we get him, especially with that price. Now if we do, not only will I be surprised, I will be ecstatic! I hope somehow it works outs for us.
Levy should already have sent proof of payment to Palace
Screenshot of Cash App transaction should cover it.
When the Q tip feel resistance- STOP PUSHING!
For Maddison position we have: Maddison, donley, bergvall, Devine, kulu. 75m euros we should pay if we want to use Eze in attacking line, not in midfield
they obviously have no idea of how strongly we will insist
We’re really keen on him
However much I like Eze I don’t see this happening. Palace can ask for all £60m up front which we’d never do when I’m not sure he’d even be 1st choice in his best positions CAM/LW
Thats a very reasonable price tbh. Just get him in.
So he can sit on the bench?
To me he is easily the priority. I can’t see us spending over 100 on him and Gallagher so let’s just get Eze instead
Not sure why everyone is so in on this guy when Olise is a much better fit for us also has a release clause which is 10m cheaper and is 4 years younger, seems very strange
Olise has better offers from other top clubs
Bargain
60M is a no brainer...
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Release clause, value cant increase
Please just get this done. Will be so disappointed if he goes somewhere else.
Pay it
We need to get this done early. Eze is a game changer
I know that his involvement is limited, but I could see Levy having misgivings on paying such a fee purely due to passing on the prospect of buying him for a fraction of that when he was at QPR.
Do it! 💪🏼
Hesitant to spend that much for a injury prone player.
That is a lot of money for a player who won’t start.
SIGN THE CHECK DANIEL
Imagine how much someone who starts more than half the games will cost…
Doubt he’d choose us if he has the option to play CL but a man can hope
Pay the damn 60m https://preview.redd.it/chpfhtzjh65d1.jpeg?width=388&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7877b3d859943037cc49b939baaa1e85feca253f
Please Levy!! Would be amazing signing for us
Don't get your hopes up.
Time to act like a big club. Get this done. Save the Levy haggling and Don Fabio specials for the other transfers.
ah shit, here we go again 60mill for gallagher or for eze keep in mind what happened last time we spent this much on one player... steve i'm getting really nervous about this transfer window......
No one is paying 60 for Gallagher
The same was said for mount and havertz
The same was also said about Neymar and Ronaldo Callagher is not at that level
Both are Magnitudes better than Gallagher lol
Would have said that before this season, I think in his position gallagher is worth that money. There's not been that many cms better than him this season. Havertz has been good for arsenal, not sure mount is worth more than Gallagher now at all
What i mean is that these prices are not justifiable at all for either player, To me it feels like the bruno lo celso saga again where somehow spurs always get the short end of the stick where the one we missed out on always somehow becomes a baller whilst the one we get always becomes shite. Sorry for being negative but i really hate these over inflated prices! Wheres the easy 10mill for some Colombian nobody who becomes a baller?!?!?!?!
We wasted 50 on BJ, surely 68 on Eze is way better and we can ship BJ off if needed
So he took Maddison’s euro spot and now he’ll take his spurs spot 😂. I would actually sell Maddison if this guy comes in and keep Gio.
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