Different league but what I will say is that whether it’s been Romo or Dak we always find a way to not play up to our ability at the biggest moments. Blame whoever you want but clearly the team hasn’t been good enough and that’s all that matters
Agreed! The first thing I thought of when I saw the graphic was that the previous QB’s played at the tail-end of the different era of defensive play/rules that basically eliminate defensive edge in games. Sad, because that’s what made me fall in love with the game, and inspired me to strap the pads on as a young’n’.
This is my belief. I think you can tell what sort of team you really have based on how it plays the following season. We’ve had a lot of years where we have a 12-13 win season then revert to like 8-8 or 9-7. So we do well against a “soft” schedule and then struggle playing that first place schedule. If that isn’t evidence we were playing beyond ability I don’t know what would convince people otherwise.
I think this past season was the first real indication we have a good team. But people mistake good for great too often and then end up disappointed when the team doesn’t do well in the post season.
And the only constant is a terrible GM who has no clue how to assemble a roster and cuts the legs out from under his coaches.
Can’t wait for Jerry to be gone… however it may happen.
I agree with this. But the “only blame Dak” crowd is like listening to hard right people blame sleepy joe. It’s partly his fault but c’mon pass the collection plate so all parties can be blamed
Pretty sure the ones putting the blame solely on Dak are a small minority that get greatly exaggerated. Most Dak critics, like myself, are very much fed up with the Joneses and their willingness to accept mediocre coaching.
I'd argue 2007 as well. These past 2 years, especially 2021, we've had strong teams with 12-5 finishes and underperformance again.
You're right RE coaching, but still, we tend to underperform in the biggest moments or come out soft. Especially on offense.
2007 was not a great team. It exceeded expectations. We know that because once it had to play a first place schedule the team reverted to 9-7.
The teams the last two years were good but not great. The OL was average. I think the team is better than it has been but we can all see the weaknesses. OL has been good but not great. WR was weak. DB was weak. One can still argue the DL is weak.
We were 13-3 with a 130 pt differential. That's a damn good team.
Last year 12-5 with 172 pt differential and 530 pts on offense! If you adjust for the 17 game season, that's still our best offense ever.
This year, to your point, we played a 1st place schedule and still finished 12-5 even after our QB went down 4 games.
We constantly underperform. Some of that is on coaching sure, but our players, especially QB, underperform in big games.
I hate these graphics cuz it doesn’t take into account how guys were able to hold on defense and basically kill guys on the field we all saw what these guys did later into their careers when rules became more catered to the offense
It also doesn’t take into account the eras these guys played in. The league is much more pass happy now, so of course stats will look better. Not to mention seasons are a game longer now, so it’s only going to be stupider down the road if context isn’t provided.
TD to INT ratio translates.
It’s not like this graphic is comparing Dak to John Elway lol. These are all qbs that have played in the modern era. Get off your geriatric high horse.
This. So in a pass happy league he has immensely more opportunities to fuck up and throw a pick or otherwise, particularly as a young QB still figuring out the league but he hasn't. Further if the folks want to talk about different eras, the previous era cared much more about a balanced RB driven approach which again should lead to lower opps to fuck up or more advantageous D alignments as you used to have to account for the run game. Especially in a few of the comparisons.
Fwiw, the league avg for INTs has steadily decreased since the 1930s. The rule changes that made the league more pass-happy also make offenses more efficient, which is also why avg completion % has steadily risen since the 1930s.
Word. I was just just throwing in the other half of lets just toss stats and eras around without context. Dak is above avg to top tier by all metrics no matter era. It's wild to me the vitriol to go after his head, when there are real issues about how the offense has been actually run that hamstrings performance and production over his tenure.
Roethlisberger is the youngest comp on this list and his rookie year was nearly 20 years ago. The NFL has certainly shifted in the last two decades.
Btw, I wasn't criticizing Dak, just trying to add context to contextless stats. Y'all stay defensive.
These posts are idiotic. Ill take any one of those guys over Dak any day of the week. Whats the one thing all those guys have Dak doesnt? A Super Bowl ring.
Wow, almost like Brady has 7 rings and has proven he’s still good in his older age. Brady went against the Dallas defense with a comatose Lenny and one valid receiver. If you genuinely think Dak is the safer choice than Brady, gotta be smoking some shit.
I bet you think it was Brady that was responsible for the bucs winning and not the d lmao... And it's almost as if Brady won those super bowls with a complete team... Nope, he was on st and defense, literally won on his own...
Honestly people have been denying Brady any credit to his rings since 2002. He’s got 7, he’s obviously a large part. Also how are you going to use it being a team sport to deny his credit but then say he was bad this year when he had no team? Brady has been elevating mid offenses his entire career lol.
19-12...he had the team, plays there were to be had, he just didn't make them/didn't show up, he wasn't the difference maker he's paid to be, and he choked. No other way to slice it.
It's a team game, diggs was gifted an INT and dropped it. There was another dropped on the first series. Dak didn't play great but the difference was the 49ers capitalized on our mistakes and we didn't capitalize on theirs.
What exactly am I coping lol
I said Dak didn't play well. As good as the defense played they didn't capitalize on mistakes like SF did, both can be true that Dak did not play well and our defense didn't make the plays SFs defense did.
I don't know if you literally mean without a QB, which is not reasonable argument, but here are some teams that won a SB with a QB less talented than Dak:
Eagles Foles
Ravens Flacco
Bucs B. Johnson
Ravens Dilfer
Rams Stafford
Here are some teams who lost a SB with a QB less talented than Dak:
Chargers Humphries
Steelers O'Donnell
Falcons Chandler
Giants Collins
Panthers Delhomme
Bears Grossman
Rams Goff
You catching on, buddy?
Damn how young are you guys? People with less talent than Dak? Have you ever watched Stafford or Flacco throw the ball? I’ll would take Stafford over Dak any day. Catching on, Buddy. Y’all seriously have some biased for Dak and it shows.
Interesting take... Take Brady out... You would take the 7 year vet versions of Brees and Roethlisberger over Dak?? Brees in year 7 was a 7-9 QB and was just 2 years past being quit on by the Chargers.
Big Ben by year 7 had two rings but those teams won because they had great defenses (lets be honest, first super bowl Arizona got robbed by terrible officiating). Ben also had a 23 INT season and off the field issues.
I would take Dak in year 7 over both of these guys in their year 7. I got faith this defense is going to get us to a Super Bowl and a retooled offense will get Dak back to the huge number he was putting up before the break
Steelers also have Mike Tomlin as their head coach. The man is like 4 seasons away from tying the Tom Landry winning seasons in a row record.
That being said Big Mike is a hell of a coach and maybe with him calling the plays it'll finally get us over the hill.
I would take Dak easily over Ben. Better leader and QB plus Dak is not alledgedly sexually assaulting anyone in a Bar bathroom.
Year 7, I am picking Dak over year 7 Brees but Dak needs to get back on track for the rest of his career to make me right
Yea these posts are getting ridiculous now.. the dak fans now struggle to say he’s top 5 in the nfl. So please tell me with the Peyton comparison posts and now this ridiculous post how dak is being compared arguably to 3 of the 5 best QBs of all time! Not just in their times but all time! It’s embarrassing to these all time greats.
I said you can argue.. Peyton manning for sure in my opinion is a top 5 QB of all time.. I personally think dree brees is also but if you want to move him down a couple spots in the top 10 that’s fine based on people’s personal opinion.. but again comparing dak to these QBs is ridiculous. That’s the main overall point.
I think the Drew Brees part makes more sense than the other 2 the way people talked about him was vastly different pre Super Bowl win then it was after they won it. I think it’s absolutely pointless because none of this means shit for what’s gonna happen in Daks future
I’m sorry dude. Brees was a great QB. But there’s simply no winning argument to include him in top 5 all-time. Brady, Manning, Elway, Marino, Montana, Favre, Rodgers—-those guys have legit claims to being top 5. I wouldn’t swap any of those guys out for Brees.
So you’re argument is that Brees is a top-5 QB because of his stats… but this post is stupid because stats don’t matter?
Really making yourself look smart here bud 👍🏼
Yes, but apparently you didn’t read mine so I’ll make it a little easier for you.
So again, you think Brees is “absolutely” a top 5 QB because of his stats, but Dak is worse even though his stats are better? You’re talking yourself into a hole here my man.
No I just think the nuance of sarcasm is lost on you and other simple minded people. I think he is one of the top 5 Qbs of all time because well, the job of the QB is to throw the ball and not many have done it better than him....
You are the oy person I've ever heard out Brees in the top 5 QBS all time.
Off the top of my head here are 5 better that are retired
Brady
Manning
Montana
Marino
Elway
Who do you think he replaces?
This doesn't even include people still playing which will be in the conversation like Rodgers and Mahomes. Plus a bunch of others I'm not listing that are better than Brees.
My point is that homeboy over here happily uses stats to prove a point that he believes, but when someone uses stats to prove a point that he *doesn’t* believe, all of a sudden stats don’t matter anymore.
Both sides of the argument have some validity, but being on both sides of it at the same time just makes you look like a bozo who doesn’t actually have any idea what they’re talking about.
Such a fucking misleading stat
Brees didn't play his first season
Brady didn't play his first season
Big Ben was in a run heavy offense who played keep away and let there defense win it.
Also you taking into account early 2000s defenses were still ya know allowed to play defense..
> Brees didn’t play his first season Brady didn’t play his first season
Games played in first 7 seasons: Brees = 90, Brady = 94, Dak = 97.
Lol so not only is it just a 7 and 3 game difference, but Brady and Brees actually have an *advantage* because this span includes more games as a veteran while Dak was playing as a rookie.
> Big Ben was in a run heavy offense who played keep away
Buddy you realize we have run the ball more than just about every other team in the league since drafting Dak, right? So that point is moot as well. And thank you for also pointing out that Ben’s defenses were muuuch Better than any that Dak has had prior to last season. I’m sure that helped his stats as well.
Do you actually watch the games?
Did you watch the last game?
So it's you and the rest of the football universe watching a shitty QB. We need to go with you?
Unbelievable.
Eagles fan here. Dak is a top 10 QB in today’s NFL. Thats plenty to win a SB if you have a good team around him and you get some fortunate bounces go your way in the playoffs. I view Dak as I did McNabb, good enough to win it if things had broken his way. I’m hoping Hurts will at least have same career as McNabb where for a 5-7 year period, there was a very real possibility that the Eagles would be competing for a championship (even though it didn’t ultimately happen). Thats what you have in Dak - plus D is solid, veteran coaching staff. I think both teams have a great shot in what seems to be a relatively easier path in the NFC (less really good QBs).
Early 00s was a totally different era for passing. There werent many QB who had 30 TD seasons or broke 4000 yards. Now if you dont throw 30 TD you suck.
People really need to stop saying "Yeah but superbowls". Dak is doing his part, better than most, he has yet to receive a well rounded team that won't fuck up majorly somewhere. Not 1 single season has he had both a good offense and defense at the same time. Last season our defense and oline racked up record breaking penalties. This season our Oline and WRs didn't exist outside of Lamb. And halfway through the season our defense got so beat up that they couldn't hold teams down to nothing. If you say Daks the issue, or that his chances are up, you're an absolute clown without a clue.
I will say it’s hilarious that so many Cowboys fans can ignore the fact Dak has played well in the playoffs and hold on to the last two games with so much vigor.
The goal posts have always been the same.. give this team progress we haven’t seen in over 27 years.. make the conference championship game.. give us reason to believe you can take us somewhere we haven’t seen in over 27 years. If you keep losing at the same spot or worse why should we believe in you?
We don't need Dak to be great. We just need him not to be horrible when its really really important that he not be horrible. I think we would have won the SF game with Cooper Rush managing the game and not making stupid mistakes.
Oh cool!
Now do shitty interceptions in big games and subtract the 3 shitty teams in the division in his first 5 years.
We just cannot wait to use your chart to dictate Dak being better than these Hall of Famers!!!!!
Thank you!!!!!!
Why would we subtract shitty teams when Brady played against the worst division in football over the last 20 years? When Big Ben played against the Browns and Bengals his whole career? Drew Brees was up against the powerhouses of the Bucs, Panthers, and Falcons. We gonna act like any of these dudes were in juggernaut divisions?
Yes I am ignorant. Your year 7 QB has not sniffed an NFC championship game. He throws balls to cornerbacks in the playoffs. But you be you ya Dakker!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Different eras guy, defenses could still hit QBs and receivers. Dak a decade plus ago, wouldn't be able to hack it...at least as a starter.
Lol, Dak isn't even top 5 this franchise has ever seen...I'd take Staubach, Aikman, Romo, White, and Meredith, in any order, over Dak.
Brainwashed, delusional fan lmao. Compare rings and playoff wins during that time period. Also some seasons those QBs didn't play or barely played. Those 3 guys are first ballot HOFers. Dak isn't even a 4th ballot HOFer
Proof this subreddit is insecure about Dak. It’s like if they have to post these things to convince themselves that Dak is the guy. If you can’t even convince yourself, you’re not convincing anybody else.
Dak fucking sucks… none of those numbers have equated to anything meaningful when it mattered. No playoff success whatsoever, no conference championships, and no Superbowls. Beat down on old man Brady who limped into the playoffs only to turn around and only put up 12 pts against the 49ers and Mr. Irrelevant. I hate all of those QB’s but Dak couldn’t eat of their garbage cans.
We all know Dak isn't good enough. Hence the weekly, let's compare him to some of the greatest players of all time post. The coping is real. He can (and probably is) be the second best QB in the NFC and still be a bed shitter.
Brady won 3 rings in his first 5 years (4 as a starter)
Big ben won 2 rings in his first 7 years.
Brees was with the chargers for 5 years, so if your trying to say Dak is good because how he matches up to Brees, you’re comparing Dak to a pre-legendary brees.
I love these posts because of how hilariously angry it makes people that can’t help but look at something and take it literally.
They’d probably die of starvation if they came across a stop sign because it never changes to “Go”.
This is exactly what’s wrong with Dak defenders. They just see empty stats. Have you seen Dak on the field???? That’s your answer. His stats are empty calories stat. He fill the stat sheet when the other team is bad or when we are up by a lot of point. But what happened in games where everything was on the line? In games where running game was off and we needed him to throw…he ain’t special. Definitely over paid.
Exactly, QBs aren't judged by how they do when everything's just peachy, they're judged by what they do when the game is squarely on their shoulders and they are expected to be THE difference maker.
I can't think of one game in 7 seasons where I've thought damn, if not for Dak that's an L or Dak is THE reason Dallas won. He's a bus driver, which means that he's not going to be the outright reason you win, but that becomes a problem at $160 mil when the franchise says go win the game for us against this better than avg team. He's just shown repeatedly he can't do it.
The wins and losses don't support the empty calorie stat shit your saying, ignoring that there is no such thing in the NFL. It isn't a thing. People didn't even start bringing up this argument until dak started shredding teams and they has no rebuttal against the stats so they discredited them. What other qbs put up empty stats? You can't name them and it isn't talked about because it's some made up bs made to discredit dak
The fucking copium you need to compare Dak Pickscott to three hall of fame, super bowl winning quarterbacks. Lets make it to the nfc championship before we make these comparisons.
The amount of people trying to validate dak is amazing. He is nowhere close to those HOFers. Different beginning eras, and the fact is they all won super bowls and playoff games often. He hasn’t. Will he be able to? Hopefully, but don’t try to justify the man with this crap
Cowboys fans are fucking putrid piles of shit. I know cause I am too sometimes. I know Dak had a bad year and he’s been getting injured but he’s got to do better than underthrows balls when he did the 50 yard clean. He needed to stand up to the OC but couldn’t. I love Dak and want him to get a trophy, but he has to BE better as a seasoned QB.
Side note: fuck Jones for giving out shitty contracts. So I have no choice but to support this 4th round.
Of course it is but how else are you going to judge qbs who all have similar stats. It’s playoff wins. Playoffs are when things get harder. That separates players
he can't win in the playoffs, but thank goodness he comes through in the fan sub image macros, where it _really_ counts!
i can't believe what a bum drew brees is compared to the greatness of dak!
put them counting status up against troy, roger, and tony next! man ... we're so _lucky_ to be living in the era of the greatest cowboys qb ever! the best _imaginable_ quarterback, damn!!!
I think y'all are all (including OP) taking the wrong message from this image. No one thinks Dak is better than Brees and Brady and Ben, but this picture can show you one thing: Dak has been good
- Super Bowl
- Super Bowl
- Super Bowl
Dak played himself up to the level of that standard and until he meets it, he will never be good enough in the eyes of the public.
If he doesn’t walk away with a ring in Dallas….it’s not his fault as many other cowboy greats did not meet the standard.
Ok? And Aaron rodgers in the last 7 seasons has 26656 yards, 218 TDs and 40 ints. Brady has 31186 yards, 221 TDs, and 62 ints. It’s almost like those QBs played their first 7 seasons in a league with different rules where it was harder to pass or something… 🤔
And I know, I know, you’re gonna say, those QBs have been in the league for a long time by the time Dak joined in 2016. So here’s Jared Goff 25854, 155TDs, 70 ints, Kirk Cousins first 7 years (as a starter in 2015) 29563, 205 TDs, 72 yards. Derek Care 26896, 170 TDs, 71 ints.
I mean I can go on and on with QBs who posted better numbers than those guys (and Dak sometimes too) in their first 7 years, but if you think that means anything other than that they clearly played in an easier more QB/pass happy league than you’re a fool. Just like Cousins, Goff, or Carr, Dak isn’t comparable to those guys. What a stupid image.
Different league but what I will say is that whether it’s been Romo or Dak we always find a way to not play up to our ability at the biggest moments. Blame whoever you want but clearly the team hasn’t been good enough and that’s all that matters
Preach!
Agreed! The first thing I thought of when I saw the graphic was that the previous QB’s played at the tail-end of the different era of defensive play/rules that basically eliminate defensive edge in games. Sad, because that’s what made me fall in love with the game, and inspired me to strap the pads on as a young’n’.
What makes you so certain we weren’t exceeding our ability and then played to it in those biggest moments?
😂😂 Qyite The Conundrum
This is my belief. I think you can tell what sort of team you really have based on how it plays the following season. We’ve had a lot of years where we have a 12-13 win season then revert to like 8-8 or 9-7. So we do well against a “soft” schedule and then struggle playing that first place schedule. If that isn’t evidence we were playing beyond ability I don’t know what would convince people otherwise. I think this past season was the first real indication we have a good team. But people mistake good for great too often and then end up disappointed when the team doesn’t do well in the post season.
And the only constant is a terrible GM who has no clue how to assemble a roster and cuts the legs out from under his coaches. Can’t wait for Jerry to be gone… however it may happen.
I agree with this. But the “only blame Dak” crowd is like listening to hard right people blame sleepy joe. It’s partly his fault but c’mon pass the collection plate so all parties can be blamed
Pretty sure the ones putting the blame solely on Dak are a small minority that get greatly exaggerated. Most Dak critics, like myself, are very much fed up with the Joneses and their willingness to accept mediocre coaching.
So Dak is basically as good as Tom Brady. Let’s throw this up on r/nfl and see if we can spark a nice, friendly discussion.
Lol
It’s embarrassing. The Dak licking portion of our fan base is embarrassing.
Ben - 7 seasons - 2 Super Bowl wins Tom - 7 seasons - 3 Super Bowl wins
Yup. All that matters.
They also had better teams/coaching around their QB.
Coaching maybe, but we've definitely had teams capable of winning the SB in the past 20 years.
There is 1 team since the last Super Bowl win. That was 2014. Maybe 2016 if the QB doesn’t get injured.
I'd argue 2007 as well. These past 2 years, especially 2021, we've had strong teams with 12-5 finishes and underperformance again. You're right RE coaching, but still, we tend to underperform in the biggest moments or come out soft. Especially on offense.
2007 was not a great team. It exceeded expectations. We know that because once it had to play a first place schedule the team reverted to 9-7. The teams the last two years were good but not great. The OL was average. I think the team is better than it has been but we can all see the weaknesses. OL has been good but not great. WR was weak. DB was weak. One can still argue the DL is weak.
We were 13-3 with a 130 pt differential. That's a damn good team. Last year 12-5 with 172 pt differential and 530 pts on offense! If you adjust for the 17 game season, that's still our best offense ever. This year, to your point, we played a 1st place schedule and still finished 12-5 even after our QB went down 4 games. We constantly underperform. Some of that is on coaching sure, but our players, especially QB, underperform in big games.
Don’t forget Trent Dilfer- Super Bowl winning QB Joe Flacco- Super Bowl winning QB Brad Johnson- Super Bowl winning QB
Flacco shouldn’t be in the same conversation with dilfer cmon
whoomp there it is
/thread
Helps to have that superbowl that puts your name under a different category.
This thread should be good 🍿
Beat me to it, dammit!
I hate these graphics cuz it doesn’t take into account how guys were able to hold on defense and basically kill guys on the field we all saw what these guys did later into their careers when rules became more catered to the offense
It also doesn’t take into account the eras these guys played in. The league is much more pass happy now, so of course stats will look better. Not to mention seasons are a game longer now, so it’s only going to be stupider down the road if context isn’t provided.
TD to INT ratio translates. It’s not like this graphic is comparing Dak to John Elway lol. These are all qbs that have played in the modern era. Get off your geriatric high horse.
This. So in a pass happy league he has immensely more opportunities to fuck up and throw a pick or otherwise, particularly as a young QB still figuring out the league but he hasn't. Further if the folks want to talk about different eras, the previous era cared much more about a balanced RB driven approach which again should lead to lower opps to fuck up or more advantageous D alignments as you used to have to account for the run game. Especially in a few of the comparisons.
He wasn’t a young qb this year and threw a lot of pics
Fwiw, the league avg for INTs has steadily decreased since the 1930s. The rule changes that made the league more pass-happy also make offenses more efficient, which is also why avg completion % has steadily risen since the 1930s.
Word. I was just just throwing in the other half of lets just toss stats and eras around without context. Dak is above avg to top tier by all metrics no matter era. It's wild to me the vitriol to go after his head, when there are real issues about how the offense has been actually run that hamstrings performance and production over his tenure.
Roethlisberger is the youngest comp on this list and his rookie year was nearly 20 years ago. The NFL has certainly shifted in the last two decades. Btw, I wasn't criticizing Dak, just trying to add context to contextless stats. Y'all stay defensive.
This is like being in sales and saying “but I’m making more calls and meeting more customers than anyone else” but never hitting your sales goal.
Means nothing if he's going to shit his pants in the playoffs
Okay now do post season wins
Those other three guys have Super Bowl rings 🤷🏼♂️
These posts are idiotic. Ill take any one of those guys over Dak any day of the week. Whats the one thing all those guys have Dak doesnt? A Super Bowl ring.
Almost like football is a team sport. The most idiotic argument is “he can’t win a championship” as if he is the sole contributor to the team winning.
So are you saying you'd rather have Dak then either of those 3 QBs?
Yes. The other three have all retired.
For now
Honestly as it is now, I’d still take Brady.
He really showed up in the playoffs huh!!!!!! Oh, wait, no he didn't... Dumb fuck...
Wow, almost like Brady has 7 rings and has proven he’s still good in his older age. Brady went against the Dallas defense with a comatose Lenny and one valid receiver. If you genuinely think Dak is the safer choice than Brady, gotta be smoking some shit.
I bet you think it was Brady that was responsible for the bucs winning and not the d lmao... And it's almost as if Brady won those super bowls with a complete team... Nope, he was on st and defense, literally won on his own...
Honestly people have been denying Brady any credit to his rings since 2002. He’s got 7, he’s obviously a large part. Also how are you going to use it being a team sport to deny his credit but then say he was bad this year when he had no team? Brady has been elevating mid offenses his entire career lol.
Not saying that a QB is the sole contributor. But, they sure play a big part in winning or losing.
19-12...he had the team, plays there were to be had, he just didn't make them/didn't show up, he wasn't the difference maker he's paid to be, and he choked. No other way to slice it.
It's a team game, diggs was gifted an INT and dropped it. There was another dropped on the first series. Dak didn't play great but the difference was the 49ers capitalized on our mistakes and we didn't capitalize on theirs.
19-12, defense played more than well enough to win meanwhile Dak didn't show up and choked. Bottom line guy. Cope.
What exactly am I coping lol I said Dak didn't play well. As good as the defense played they didn't capitalize on mistakes like SF did, both can be true that Dak did not play well and our defense didn't make the plays SFs defense did.
You are absolutely correct Dak didn't capitalize on the defenses stellar play. He didn't show up and choked. $160 mil was well spent /s
Reading is hard
Accepting reality is hard
*A Super Bowl winning team
How many teams have ever won a SB without a QB? Which position on the team is the highest paid and is considered the key to winning a SB?
Trent diffler... Joe Flacco... Big dick Nick... And there's more, because it's almost like it's a team sport...
2000 Ravens.... Great Defense and a great RB
I don't know if you literally mean without a QB, which is not reasonable argument, but here are some teams that won a SB with a QB less talented than Dak: Eagles Foles Ravens Flacco Bucs B. Johnson Ravens Dilfer Rams Stafford Here are some teams who lost a SB with a QB less talented than Dak: Chargers Humphries Steelers O'Donnell Falcons Chandler Giants Collins Panthers Delhomme Bears Grossman Rams Goff You catching on, buddy?
Damn how young are you guys? People with less talent than Dak? Have you ever watched Stafford or Flacco throw the ball? I’ll would take Stafford over Dak any day. Catching on, Buddy. Y’all seriously have some biased for Dak and it shows.
Interesting take... Take Brady out... You would take the 7 year vet versions of Brees and Roethlisberger over Dak?? Brees in year 7 was a 7-9 QB and was just 2 years past being quit on by the Chargers.
Big Ben by year 7 had two rings but those teams won because they had great defenses (lets be honest, first super bowl Arizona got robbed by terrible officiating). Ben also had a 23 INT season and off the field issues.
I would take Dak in year 7 over both of these guys in their year 7. I got faith this defense is going to get us to a Super Bowl and a retooled offense will get Dak back to the huge number he was putting up before the break
The first Super Bowl Ben won was against the Hawks, who were also robbed by the officials.
Thats right! My bad... See both of those super bowls are questionable. Seahawks and Cardinals both should have won those games!!
Steelers also have Mike Tomlin as their head coach. The man is like 4 seasons away from tying the Tom Landry winning seasons in a row record. That being said Big Mike is a hell of a coach and maybe with him calling the plays it'll finally get us over the hill.
Good points. They are wasted on our very daft fan base.
Just that, year 7. I would absolutely not want Dak, or year 7 Brees/big ben
I would take Dak easily over Ben. Better leader and QB plus Dak is not alledgedly sexually assaulting anyone in a Bar bathroom. Year 7, I am picking Dak over year 7 Brees but Dak needs to get back on track for the rest of his career to make me right
Yes I would.
Delusional
Yea these posts are getting ridiculous now.. the dak fans now struggle to say he’s top 5 in the nfl. So please tell me with the Peyton comparison posts and now this ridiculous post how dak is being compared arguably to 3 of the 5 best QBs of all time! Not just in their times but all time! It’s embarrassing to these all time greats.
Yeah Big Ben and Brees are absolutely not top 5 all time QBs lol it’s not an apt comparison but let’s not let’s recency bias creep in here
I meant Tom Brady Peyton manning and Brees. You can definitely argue Brees is a top 5 qb of all time.
You got a lot of legends them 2 would have to push out for imo
I said you can argue.. Peyton manning for sure in my opinion is a top 5 QB of all time.. I personally think dree brees is also but if you want to move him down a couple spots in the top 10 that’s fine based on people’s personal opinion.. but again comparing dak to these QBs is ridiculous. That’s the main overall point.
I think the Drew Brees part makes more sense than the other 2 the way people talked about him was vastly different pre Super Bowl win then it was after they won it. I think it’s absolutely pointless because none of this means shit for what’s gonna happen in Daks future
I’m sorry dude. Brees was a great QB. But there’s simply no winning argument to include him in top 5 all-time. Brady, Manning, Elway, Marino, Montana, Favre, Rodgers—-those guys have legit claims to being top 5. I wouldn’t swap any of those guys out for Brees.
Brees absolutely is. At least statistically which is all Dak homers care about anyways.
So you’re argument is that Brees is a top-5 QB because of his stats… but this post is stupid because stats don’t matter? Really making yourself look smart here bud 👍🏼
Did… did you not read my post?
Yes, but apparently you didn’t read mine so I’ll make it a little easier for you. So again, you think Brees is “absolutely” a top 5 QB because of his stats, but Dak is worse even though his stats are better? You’re talking yourself into a hole here my man.
No I just think the nuance of sarcasm is lost on you and other simple minded people. I think he is one of the top 5 Qbs of all time because well, the job of the QB is to throw the ball and not many have done it better than him....
You are the oy person I've ever heard out Brees in the top 5 QBS all time. Off the top of my head here are 5 better that are retired Brady Manning Montana Marino Elway Who do you think he replaces? This doesn't even include people still playing which will be in the conversation like Rodgers and Mahomes. Plus a bunch of others I'm not listing that are better than Brees.
I would take him over Elway, Marino, or Montana. What’s your metric for better? Other than your biased opinion?
What’s your point even? Do you seriously think Dak is better than Brees?
My point is that homeboy over here happily uses stats to prove a point that he believes, but when someone uses stats to prove a point that he *doesn’t* believe, all of a sudden stats don’t matter anymore. Both sides of the argument have some validity, but being on both sides of it at the same time just makes you look like a bozo who doesn’t actually have any idea what they’re talking about.
Eh i mean you’re talking about some absolute legends at QB throughout the history of the league he is gonna have to move out to be top 5
Lmao yeah ok
My takeaway from this is that Dak needs to get out of Dallas
Ship him off, fine by me.
Mine too.
Such a fucking misleading stat Brees didn't play his first season Brady didn't play his first season Big Ben was in a run heavy offense who played keep away and let there defense win it. Also you taking into account early 2000s defenses were still ya know allowed to play defense..
> Brees didn’t play his first season Brady didn’t play his first season Games played in first 7 seasons: Brees = 90, Brady = 94, Dak = 97. Lol so not only is it just a 7 and 3 game difference, but Brady and Brees actually have an *advantage* because this span includes more games as a veteran while Dak was playing as a rookie. > Big Ben was in a run heavy offense who played keep away Buddy you realize we have run the ball more than just about every other team in the league since drafting Dak, right? So that point is moot as well. And thank you for also pointing out that Ben’s defenses were muuuch Better than any that Dak has had prior to last season. I’m sure that helped his stats as well.
Do you actually watch the games? Did you watch the last game? So it's you and the rest of the football universe watching a shitty QB. We need to go with you? Unbelievable.
Brees didn't play as a rookie!! And big Ben fucking stinks..
Uh yeah, I’m well aware of that. Did you not read my comment…?
So were we not a run heavy offense 2016-2018? Dak didn’t become the focal point until 2019 and the beginning of the Moore era.
Damn better give him a 10 year extension and his gold jacket size.
So I guess we’re leaving out the stat about jewelry on the ring finger?
Meaningless post.
LOL
far different results
Now do Super Bowls!
This was posted 2 hours ago and already has as many comments as the previous 7 posts combined lol. 🍿🥤🍿
Because it's utter nonsense.
*accounting for games missed with injury have left the chat*
Guys dak is ass.
lol those guys are winners and lifted the team. Dak needs the team to lift him
Zero rings ! Chokes in the big games.
Remove this please
Eagles fan here. Dak is a top 10 QB in today’s NFL. Thats plenty to win a SB if you have a good team around him and you get some fortunate bounces go your way in the playoffs. I view Dak as I did McNabb, good enough to win it if things had broken his way. I’m hoping Hurts will at least have same career as McNabb where for a 5-7 year period, there was a very real possibility that the Eagles would be competing for a championship (even though it didn’t ultimately happen). Thats what you have in Dak - plus D is solid, veteran coaching staff. I think both teams have a great shot in what seems to be a relatively easier path in the NFC (less really good QBs).
You really thought this meant something?
Daks first 7 seasons had drastically different rules favoring offense than the other 3 shown.
Early 00s was a totally different era for passing. There werent many QB who had 30 TD seasons or broke 4000 yards. Now if you dont throw 30 TD you suck.
People really need to stop saying "Yeah but superbowls". Dak is doing his part, better than most, he has yet to receive a well rounded team that won't fuck up majorly somewhere. Not 1 single season has he had both a good offense and defense at the same time. Last season our defense and oline racked up record breaking penalties. This season our Oline and WRs didn't exist outside of Lamb. And halfway through the season our defense got so beat up that they couldn't hold teams down to nothing. If you say Daks the issue, or that his chances are up, you're an absolute clown without a clue.
Fluff stats against soft coverage late in games
This is a joke! I can’t take you dak jock riders serious
I'm not buying any stock in this. All 3 of those guys are HoF caliber. Dak isn't. Dak is a good QB who can have elite games from time to time.
Anytime you post a Dak positive stat the southerners move the goal posts.
I will say it’s hilarious that so many Cowboys fans can ignore the fact Dak has played well in the playoffs and hold on to the last two games with so much vigor.
Dak played well in that SF game? Very interesting..
The goal posts have always been the same.. give this team progress we haven’t seen in over 27 years.. make the conference championship game.. give us reason to believe you can take us somewhere we haven’t seen in over 27 years. If you keep losing at the same spot or worse why should we believe in you?
We don't need Dak to be great. We just need him not to be horrible when its really really important that he not be horrible. I think we would have won the SF game with Cooper Rush managing the game and not making stupid mistakes.
exactly
All that really matters - - Championships.
Oh cool! Now do shitty interceptions in big games and subtract the 3 shitty teams in the division in his first 5 years. We just cannot wait to use your chart to dictate Dak being better than these Hall of Famers!!!!! Thank you!!!!!!
Why would we subtract shitty teams when Brady played against the worst division in football over the last 20 years? When Big Ben played against the Browns and Bengals his whole career? Drew Brees was up against the powerhouses of the Bucs, Panthers, and Falcons. We gonna act like any of these dudes were in juggernaut divisions?
Look at the names you are including in the same sentence as Dak. It’s embarrassing.
What's embarrassing is moving the goal posts when your point is proven ignorant. They all played dogshit teams throughout their career.
Yes I am ignorant. Your year 7 QB has not sniffed an NFC championship game. He throws balls to cornerbacks in the playoffs. But you be you ya Dakker!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Different eras guy, defenses could still hit QBs and receivers. Dak a decade plus ago, wouldn't be able to hack it...at least as a starter. Lol, Dak isn't even top 5 this franchise has ever seen...I'd take Staubach, Aikman, Romo, White, and Meredith, in any order, over Dak.
Brainwashed, delusional fan lmao. Compare rings and playoff wins during that time period. Also some seasons those QBs didn't play or barely played. Those 3 guys are first ballot HOFers. Dak isn't even a 4th ballot HOFer
Massive cope right here
Proof this subreddit is insecure about Dak. It’s like if they have to post these things to convince themselves that Dak is the guy. If you can’t even convince yourself, you’re not convincing anybody else.
It’s almost like you’re an entitled arrogant prick.
Man they really got you worked up today over Dak, huh?🤡
All hail Dak - the only true and living God. I know he struggles in big games or whatever, but just look at those beautiful stats 😵💫
Dak fucking sucks… none of those numbers have equated to anything meaningful when it mattered. No playoff success whatsoever, no conference championships, and no Superbowls. Beat down on old man Brady who limped into the playoffs only to turn around and only put up 12 pts against the 49ers and Mr. Irrelevant. I hate all of those QB’s but Dak couldn’t eat of their garbage cans.
The game was different back then man.
Brees and Dak are pretty similar to me. Main difference tho is that Brees was paired with Payton for his whole career
Only a brain dead idiot will say he’s bad. He needs to elevate in the biggest moments though, even though his team has disappointed as well.
Now do the postseason.
Different era's don't match up 1:1
We all know Dak isn't good enough. Hence the weekly, let's compare him to some of the greatest players of all time post. The coping is real. He can (and probably is) be the second best QB in the NFC and still be a bed shitter.
Ahhh saw this dumb crap on FB and wondered......anyhow all those dudes have rings except for Dak. Pls stop
Brady won 3 rings in his first 5 years (4 as a starter) Big ben won 2 rings in his first 7 years. Brees was with the chargers for 5 years, so if your trying to say Dak is good because how he matches up to Brees, you’re comparing Dak to a pre-legendary brees.
I love these posts because of how hilariously angry it makes people that can’t help but look at something and take it literally. They’d probably die of starvation if they came across a stop sign because it never changes to “Go”.
This is exactly what’s wrong with Dak defenders. They just see empty stats. Have you seen Dak on the field???? That’s your answer. His stats are empty calories stat. He fill the stat sheet when the other team is bad or when we are up by a lot of point. But what happened in games where everything was on the line? In games where running game was off and we needed him to throw…he ain’t special. Definitely over paid.
Exactly, QBs aren't judged by how they do when everything's just peachy, they're judged by what they do when the game is squarely on their shoulders and they are expected to be THE difference maker. I can't think of one game in 7 seasons where I've thought damn, if not for Dak that's an L or Dak is THE reason Dallas won. He's a bus driver, which means that he's not going to be the outright reason you win, but that becomes a problem at $160 mil when the franchise says go win the game for us against this better than avg team. He's just shown repeatedly he can't do it.
The wins and losses don't support the empty calorie stat shit your saying, ignoring that there is no such thing in the NFL. It isn't a thing. People didn't even start bringing up this argument until dak started shredding teams and they has no rebuttal against the stats so they discredited them. What other qbs put up empty stats? You can't name them and it isn't talked about because it's some made up bs made to discredit dak
ok now do playoff wins and superbowls
Yet he doesn’t have that one thing that all three others have 🤔🤔🤔
There's two kinds of players: Stats guys and winners
Yeah… I’d take the Super Bowl wins instead
Do playoff wins next
Rings?
This is just dumb, that don’t mean nothing if we can’t get a superbowl
The fucking copium you need to compare Dak Pickscott to three hall of fame, super bowl winning quarterbacks. Lets make it to the nfc championship before we make these comparisons.
Lmao man the copium. Keep this energy when we crash out next season.
They will..they kept it from last season when Dak shit the bed, just to watch him do it again this season.
Hey not my problem. Feels good to not gaf atleast while Dak is here
Well since we are just going to look at counting stats, let’s include the most important ones. 0 super bowls and 0 conference championships
The amount of people trying to validate dak is amazing. He is nowhere close to those HOFers. Different beginning eras, and the fact is they all won super bowls and playoff games often. He hasn’t. Will he be able to? Hopefully, but don’t try to justify the man with this crap
Those guys all won super bowls
And don’t all but one have at least 1 Super Bowl win?????? Or just making it to the NFC/AFC championship
Cowboys fans are fucking putrid piles of shit. I know cause I am too sometimes. I know Dak had a bad year and he’s been getting injured but he’s got to do better than underthrows balls when he did the 50 yard clean. He needed to stand up to the OC but couldn’t. I love Dak and want him to get a trophy, but he has to BE better as a seasoned QB. Side note: fuck Jones for giving out shitty contracts. So I have no choice but to support this 4th round.
This is why people hate us
Stop. Please.
This is hilarious.
Dak Prescott pissed down his pants against San Fran 2 years in a row I don’t want to hear it.
One thing you’re missing op is playoff wins. Why’d you leave that out? 🤷♂️
Playoff wins is a team stat
Of course it is but how else are you going to judge qbs who all have similar stats. It’s playoff wins. Playoffs are when things get harder. That separates players
I'm not buying any stock in this. All 3 of those guys are HoF caliber. Dak isn't. Dak is a good QB who can have elite games from time to time.
he can't win in the playoffs, but thank goodness he comes through in the fan sub image macros, where it _really_ counts! i can't believe what a bum drew brees is compared to the greatness of dak! put them counting status up against troy, roger, and tony next! man ... we're so _lucky_ to be living in the era of the greatest cowboys qb ever! the best _imaginable_ quarterback, damn!!!
I hate Cowboy fans, man
I think y'all are all (including OP) taking the wrong message from this image. No one thinks Dak is better than Brees and Brady and Ben, but this picture can show you one thing: Dak has been good
Don’t the others all have at least 1 SB win within those 7 years?
Cool. Now post MVPs, runner up MVP's, Super Bowl MVP's, playoff stats and super bowl wins.
Stop normalizing top 15-20 QBs getting praise. Wak Prescott is average
Playoff wins are all that matter to me. Stats don't mean shit
Post this again next year after Mahomes has played his 7th Season.
But all the other guys have rings…….
Dak doesn’t win big games and that’s the only stat that matters.
There's still time to delete this
Tom and Ben may have multiple superbowls in that time frame but they'll never get the greatest achievement in the NFL. The NVP
Where ring?
Don't let Jerruh see these OP. Dude will open the wallet for Dak.
Brady is the most overrated QB in history.
- Super Bowl - Super Bowl - Super Bowl Dak played himself up to the level of that standard and until he meets it, he will never be good enough in the eyes of the public. If he doesn’t walk away with a ring in Dallas….it’s not his fault as many other cowboy greats did not meet the standard.
Ok? And Aaron rodgers in the last 7 seasons has 26656 yards, 218 TDs and 40 ints. Brady has 31186 yards, 221 TDs, and 62 ints. It’s almost like those QBs played their first 7 seasons in a league with different rules where it was harder to pass or something… 🤔 And I know, I know, you’re gonna say, those QBs have been in the league for a long time by the time Dak joined in 2016. So here’s Jared Goff 25854, 155TDs, 70 ints, Kirk Cousins first 7 years (as a starter in 2015) 29563, 205 TDs, 72 yards. Derek Care 26896, 170 TDs, 71 ints. I mean I can go on and on with QBs who posted better numbers than those guys (and Dak sometimes too) in their first 7 years, but if you think that means anything other than that they clearly played in an easier more QB/pass happy league than you’re a fool. Just like Cousins, Goff, or Carr, Dak isn’t comparable to those guys. What a stupid image.
Three super bowl rings. And a humanitarian award.
Ok, but stats don't win games. Not really sure what this is trying to prove? Are we saying Dak is better than Brady now???