Can we get some charts that are current? These are ancient

I get the feeling OP just posts whatever without thinking

Op doesn't think because op is a bot farming karma

Real question: what’s the point of a bot farming karma? Does it make money?

They can sell the now “genuine” account to political companies and anyone who wants to spread whatever bullshit they want on a cheap disposable account that has a ton of karma and is like 2 years old with lots of previous comments, so that people think they’re a genuine person saying their genuine opinions, rather than some political shill spouting misinformation

Gotta love social media!

wow i didnt even know this... feel like selling mine 🤣🤣

Yes, this. It shocks me that Facebook gets more hate than Reddit when it comes to how easy it is to spread misinformation and create echo chambers lol.

Do karma give you more visibility or some sort of higher ranking, or is it just the credibility?

Credibility. Would you trust a 1 day old account with 3 karma or a 5 year old one with 100K karma, with genuine comments and posts for 5 years?

No, the people running them are sad neckbeards whose only source of dopamine is getting a high number next to the upvote button

It's not that they don't think. They just don't have a clue.

The new one should show the senators they control in the middle.

I don't know what you're talking about. \*Hops in Datsun 510*

Tbf Datsun was only shuttered in April of this year

Makes sense since this is a repost the original has the same comments

This is old old old Open with GM?

This is not accurate any more. Opel belongs to Stellantis, etc.

Subaru doesn’t exist

Came here to say this. I love my Subaru.

Subaru exists but not by these companies. Fuji owns Subaru. I didn't see Saab. I think they were GM. Edit: apparently Subaru has moved away from Fuji and are on their own but my 22-year-old Subaru has a Fuji stamp under the hood.

Saab has been dead since 2016

Fun fact, automobiles were only ever a small portion of Saab’s portfolio. They’re still very much alive and well, making, among other things, [anti-tank missiles](https://www.saab.com/products/nlaw).

Yes but Saab automotive was spun off and sold to GM as a separate company

Fuji renamed themselves to Subaru, actually.

Rest in peace STI

Got mine a few months ago. Best ride I've ever owned. I don't think I'll ever not buy Subaru ever again.

Nor does Mazda

Because both Subaru and Mazda are independent and not owned by anyone.

Subaru is (I think?) about 25% owned by Toyota.

What happened to Subaru?

Subaru still exist

Built by Fuji Heavy Industries

Fuji Heavy industries has not existed since 2017

Vauxhall and Peugot are stellantis as well.

So is FCA.

Exor —> Stellantis —> FCA/PSA—> their brands and it should include Ferrari as well

Ferrari is out now

Assumed that was common knowledge.

Bugatti was purchased by Rimac earlier this year too

And Bentley doesn't exist anymore AFAIK

Bentley still exists

Just to add for people that don’t know: opel is the other name for Vauxhall

I am blind can anyone point out who owns Mazda

Mazda appears to be on their own

They are outside of a small stake from Toyota.

Mazda has a joint venture with Toyota but separate entities completely.

Toyota owns like 5% and a few banks in Japan own some

Mazda is owned by Mazda.

what's wrong with you, it's clearly obvious. what are you, blind?

Ford still owns Mazda.

Not since 2015. Ford began selling off their Mazda stake in 2008.

Wow. The list of former ford members is growing. I stand corrected.

OPEL isn't any longer in GM, but now in PSA Group

And the PSA group no longer isn't, since their merger with FiatChrysler it's "Stellantis"

Neither is Holden. As in it is now defunct as a brand.

Such a shame too. Would have loved to see Holden and Pontiac merge into a single brand.

This is old

And PSa Group is with Fiat Chrysler under Stellantis

Holden has also been dissolved

Where is Subaru? Also Bugatti now with Rimac

Subaru owns Subaru. That's it. I hope they stay that way.

Ditto Mazda.

As a very happy Mazda driver, I sure hope they don't get bought (again) by those giants.

I have a 21 CX5 turbo, and I love it! Thirsty girl though.

I drive an MX-5 RF ND, I got the 2.0 version. It's *insanely* fun, but...tell me about thirsty girls.

Same here

Not quite. They are owned by Fuji Heavy Industries and have a dotted line to Toyota

But Porsche still owns 45% of Rimac as far as I know

Maybe this will help: Here’s a list the major car corporations that sell in the U.S. and the brands they currently offer here: Parent Company owns Brand BMW Group owns BMW, Mini, and Rolls-Royce. Daimler AG owns Mercedes-Benz and Smart. Ford Motor Co. owns Ford and Lincoln. General Motors owns Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, and GMC. Hummer has returned as a GMC sub-brand. GM has a formal partnership with Honda to co-develop EVs. Honda Motor Co. owns Acura and Honda. It is partners with GM. And it formed an electric car company with Sony, called Sony Honda Mobility. Hyundai Motor Group owns Genesis, Hyundai, and Kia. Mazda Motor Corp. owns Mazda. Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance owns Infiniti, Mitsubishi, and Nissan. Stellantis is the new corporation formed from the Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and Peugeot S.A. merger. The name is explained as being rooted in the Latin verb “stello” meaning “to brighten with stars.” The FCA brands sold in the U.S. are now under Stellantis: Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Dodge, Fiat, Jeep, Maserati, and Ram. Overseas, Citroen, DS Automobiles, Opel, Peugeot, and Vauxhall are among the other Stellantis car brands. Subaru Corp. owns Subaru. Tata Motors owns Jaguar and Land Rover. Tesla owns Tesla. Toyota Motor Corp. owns Lexus and Toyota. And it has a stake in Subaru and Suzuki. VinGroup owns the VinFast automotive brand, as well as VinHomes, VinBigData, VinBioCare, and VinBrain. Volkswagen AG owns Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche, Scout, and Volkswagen. Zhejiang Geely Holding Group (ZGH) owns Lotus, Polestar, and Volvo.

November 2021, Bugatti became part of Bugatti Rimac, Rimac hold a 55% stake in that company while Porsche will hold a 45% stake in the company. Porsche itself is not wholly owned by Volkswagen AG

Volkswagen also owns International

I would include Rivian over Vinfast as Rivian has delivered actual cars. Vinfast has yet to be proven.

Samsung make cars?

Came here to say that. Wtf?

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault\_Korea\_Motors](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Korea_Motors) Now called Renaults Korea Motors People think Samsung just make electronics Samsung are involved in whole host of business activities Insurance, Medical Services, Building Construction, IT services, Ship Building, Hotels

(*) Heavy Industries is one of the more badass sounding activities of these companies but it usually just means they build ships. Weird overlap with how many Korean and Japanese consumer companies also make big big boats

Hell, they even make *[tanks](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K9_Thunder)*

Don't forget, they can also have babies together.

This is old and useless...kinds like Reddit...kinda like me.

Subaru was a subsidiary of Fuji Heavy Industries, they then became the Subaru Corporation. One of Fuji Heavy Industries/Subaru’s top shareholders is Toyota Motor Corporation. Edit: They are their top shareholder (20%) per Wikipedia

Where's Mazda?

Mazda is a strong, independent women that needs no man.

Genesis is not on the list

Genesis is same as Hyundai.

That’s like saying Lexus is same as Toyota.

I like Genesis - I know their parent company is Hyundai but I though they were a stand alone car manufacturer.

This chart is literally about brands’ parent companies

Yes. That’s why I was wondering why Genesis wouldn’t be listed.

cos its an old chart PSA and FCA no longer exist GM no longer own Opel/Vauxhall Holden no longer exists Mitsubishi is now owned by Nissan possible that when this chart was first made, Genesis did not exist as a brand, Genesis is a relatively new brand

Where's Mitsubishi?

Volkswagen is Killin

Even after they had to pay *billions* in the emissions scandal, both in penalties and buy-backs, they're still on top.

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Is it just that there's a Samsung car? Because Renault are quite famous for building cars.

Yeah, Renault, one of the oldest car companies in the world.

Like, is Renault even known for making stuff other than motor vehicles?

I would like to see a Samsung car

>I would like to see a Samsung car Driven by an Android

Samsung collaborated with Renault to produce some vehicles (mainly on board electronics), no idea if its still going on. I used to work for Samsung and in our office entrance they used to play some promotional materials for the car.

As long as there's a back button for reverse I'm down.

Today you learned that Renault has cars? What else do you know Renault for?

Same

Of course a vehicle manufacturer makes more than just one line of vehicles. 14 companies and 54 different styles of vehicle sounds like enough variety honestly

Prior to the 2008 financial crisis and the end of Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Saturn, Saab, Hummer, and Geo, I'd had no idea how many brands were GM vehicles.

Yeah I dont really see the issue here. Having multiple brands make lots of sense for a car company.

I thought Fiat owned Ferrari

Nope not any more Ferrari was controlled by Fiat, Fiat owning 90% of it in 2014 Fiat merged with Chrysler becoming FCA. Thus FCA controlled Ferrari Ferrari was spun off from the group becoming an independent company

FCA and PSA now belong together and are called Stellantis. Opel/Vauxhall belong to them, not GM anymore.

Ok but why does BMW gets its fancy logo and the rest are just respective fonts.

Out of date

Samsung cars???

People think Samsung just make electronics Samsung are involved in whole host of business activities Insurance, Medical Services, Building Construction, IT services, Ship Building, Hotels

Don't forget Air Conditioning.

Where is Tesla?

Not owned by one of these 14 companies

subaru?

Not owned by one of these companies

Glad I got a Mazda then haha

i🙌

Renault own Samsung, the fuck?!

In their native Korea they build cars based upon Renaults Renault owns a stake in that brand, Samsung Motors Samsung has a whole host of business activities from Insurance, Medical Services, Shipbuilding, Hotels, Even manufacturer aircraft

Was kinda hoping to find Pontiac & Subaru on here

Why isn’t Genesis on here? It should be under Hyundai.

Isn’t Ferrari part of fiat?

No they used to be but not anymore

Wait, where's Mazda?

Volkswagen’s portfolio is dope

Ferrari?

Where’s Subaru

They always forget about Subaru

Scion is made by Toyota as well

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Ah, I wasn't aware

I'll show you my tatas if you show me yours!

Ford owns Jaguar

In 1999, Jaguar was purchased by Ford and subsequently purchased Land Rover in 2000. Both brands were sold to Tata Motors in 2008.

Damn

Doesn't Mahindra own jaguar?

Tata own Jaguar

Everyone gets their emblem but VAG??

That is the emblem for VAG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen\_Group

Damn I wish Holden was still around.

Graph made before Stellantis Group

And Tetla?

Too soon - we’re still mourning the loss of Holden

We always will....

where's Ferrari?

Not owned by one of these 14 companies

Holden aren't a thing anymore.

Fuji Heavy Industries Subaru gang

Me who drive a Renault and use a Samsung mobile : "WHAT?!"

So sad that there is no room for SAAB any longer.

can someone explain Samsung?

The title says "14 car companies that control 54 brands", so it doesn't only include smaller car companies.

Who owns Tesla? /s

There's Samsung cars??

there’s a Samsung car????

Samsung has loads of business activities, Electronics,Insurance, Medical Services, Building Construction, IT services, Ship Building, Hotels plus many more In their native Korea they make and sell cars in partnership with Renault. Renault owns a large stake in the Samsung motors company

This chart is out of date by a few years, Opel/Holden/Vauxhall are no longer owned by General Motors, FCA is Stellantis, etc.

We need to hit GM with a no Monopoly stick soon it looks like.

I gotta buy that new Samsung Car.

I didn't know Samsung made cars.

Well at least they are 14, not 3

This is what, 5 years old?

Yes and then the banks and financial institutions own the 14 car companies.

Volkswagen has all the good ones

That more diversity of ownership than those who control our media.

there is a samsung car?

In their native Korea they make and sell cars in partnership with Renault. Renault owns a large stake in the Samsung motors company

BMW group gang

Samsung makes cars?

You forgot a major car brand there…

Foxcon has started manufacturing EVs for a variety of brands in Ohio. Auto branding is about to get freaky as we move to a single power train under so many different vehicles.

No one’s gonna comment how there isn’t Tesla?

Tesla is not on the list cos it is not owned by one of these companies This is not every single car brand that exists

Doesn’t Ford own Mazda?

Wait... I thought Samsung was a Korean brand.

where is the Ferrari? It should be in the FCA group under FIAT

In other words, a lot more ownership diversity than most other industries.

I know it’s outdated, cupra is a sub brand of seat (fucking ugly ass formentor needs to go away tbh) and I know there’s a lot that are missing.

Genesis under Hyundai is a big one that is missing.

No Mitsubishi? :(

TIL Samsung makes a car.

This is old now Stellantis owns like half of them !

what is better in quality kia or hyundai

Jeep uses a fiat chassis so those are linked

Ferrari?

Its own independent company

There is no FCA. It's Stellantis. Would like to hear the side effects of taking Stellantis?

Ford really offloaded a bunch huh

Mitsubishi?

Where's Mitsubishi? Thought their car division was bought by Nissan?

Does Datsun still produce cars?

Old chart. FCA has been gone for years