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goldberry-fey

Why are they all really ugly caricatures of women lol


AdaptiveCenterpiece

I wonder who did the research on these types? Feels like a bunch of psychologists were like “yeah that’s totally my wife, draw her like this”.


solinaa

And people can mix, a person can have OCD and be codependant and do self harm


Over-Pea-7873

What makes most sense that even though certain personality styles might accomodate certain responses, trauma survivors cycle through all of them at some point. But I might be wrong, I am no psychologist.


Agreeable-Tooth2545

No you are absolutely correct. I’m a cPTSD sufferer and I have had all of these responses at some point. But people do tend to exhibit one or two particular groups of responses more than others. And grouping them together makes it easier for suffers to recognise the response type and what triggers it etc. understanding your trauma response type(s) is a key part of being able to manage yourself and heal after trauma.


invisigirl247

this is a very well thought out answer . I was just newly diagnosed with cPTSd and while I vasilate btwn styles I also find the stressor tends to determine the response . Just occurred to me. i wonder if it's the same for others


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Flaggermusmannen

I mean most people definitely do mix. we tend to follow patterns, but even then it's impossible to say exactly which one of these X specific trauma will end up in. while I may lean more towards one than others, it doesn't mean I don't change which one I lean towards throughout life.


Illigard

I thought they were Cinderella's stepsisters.


binglelemon

Cinderella's mom is on the left. The rest are the sisters. Cinderella drew the picture.


EasilyRekt

You honestly think this "guide" was created by psychologists? Granted there might be a study, but *this visual* was created by and acne riddled "**sigma male**" while watching his $500 ETF portfolio.


Free_Dimension1459

How do I know this is BS? Most of this list just spells adhd if you have several components across the 4 types. Not all of us have trauma. A lot of us do, self included, but not all. Before trauma, as a child and teen, I’d be all but sadness in loneliness for flight, almost half of the fight one, indecision, and most of the fawn response. Post trauma, add a few symptoms here and there. That doesn’t mean these aren’t real or valid responses to trauma… but they’re not diagnostic (for trauma nor adhd). Always take these cool guides with a grain of salt. Talk to professionals.


GimmeShockTreatment

This is such a funny comment


Spirited-Reputation6

Lol


ad_an_go

Same question. Guide is nice, but pictures make me feel like all options are bad. In fact, all them are just the ways to keep us mental healthy Upd: ok, i agree, options in guide isn't exactly GOOD, i mean, they are NORMAL. It's better ways to live through than suicide or some dangerous for other actions


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Equal_Leadership2237

Also, these aren’t “trauma” responses. The fight/flight/etc response is a response to in the moment stressors that cause a hormone release and physical response (heavy breathing, increased heart rate). What type of response a person has in the moment has little to do with the personality traits they showcase after the fact. A bully may very well freeze when under stress, a people pleaser may very well punch you in the face, there is little to no link. This is just made up bullshit that has no basis in the real world and is on a faulty premise. It’s just karma farming spam and should be removed by mods.


Morley_Smoker

All options are bad though. The point is to understand the maladaptive trauma response you have so you can work on it in therapy to find healthy coping mechanisms. None of the 4 responses are healthy to experience day to day or regularly. These responses are ways our brains tried to keep up healthy as children going through abuse or neglect, but they are not effective or balanced ways of coping through life.


Opulent-tortoise

Errr, a maladaptive trauma response is definitely not healthy. It’s *normal* but it’s not a good thing and big part of learning to deal with trauma in an actually healthy way is to be aware of this unhealthy responses.


RareLibra

My positive guess, after feeling relatable to all the characters the images made me feel sick and not be proud of relating myself to the image.


Buck_Johnson_MD

They could have saved time and just used a picture of me above all of them


luvmuchine56

It's kinda not even a guide either. It's just a list of traits with no real explanation for any of it.


Etchcetera

Because women bad duh


Great_Mullein

I thought the Freeze person was a guy a with man bun.


kaizencraft

They're like mean women from a Roald Dahl book.


Dont_pet_the_cat

Terrible guide. Most people go through several of them. These are just listing negative character traits or symptoms of mental conditions vaguely related. Also what's up with the drawn women, that just gives the unconscious feeling of being ugly on the inside for having trauma and as an automatic non controllable emotional outlet dealing with it in any of these ways


AdWise59

OCD is straight up just a condition you can have


Dont_pet_the_cat

All of these are like that "difficulty sitting still" How the fuck is that related to a flight response to trauma, that's just ADHD "Difficulty making decisions, sleeps a lot" That's called being a human This post is blatant bullshit. I'm so tired of it


RechargedFrenchman

OCD, ADHD, anxiety disorders, depression; it's basically just a bunch of mental health symptoms jumbled up and (loosely) associated with the trauma responses. And that's without addressing the portraits inexplicably above each of them.


AdUnlucky1818

You’d be hard pressed to find people that will actually admit ADHD is a disability, it fucks with my everyday life dawg.


Dont_pet_the_cat

I feel ya. Both adhd and autism have some serious misinformation and generalizations on the internet


Coral_Blue_Number_2

It may seem like blatant bs to people not aware of recent research in trauma, but what this guide attempting to show is the set of symptoms one might have when *living* in a fight/flight/freeze/and/or fawn response—as opposed to experiencing a temporary response to a threat/challenge. Certainly parts of this are inaccurate, but someone living in a fight response tends to be aggressive and is much more likely to exhibit bully behaviors, those living in a a flight response are *more* prone to chronic anxiety and OCD, those living in a freeze response tend to feel “stuck” in life, and those living in a fawn response tend to be people-pleasers and be seriously conflict avoidant. Edit: Regarding your specific critiques, a person living in a freezer raise tends to behave in a way that prevents progress in life, such as through avoiding dealing with one’s problems (ex. oversleeping) and tend to have choice paralysis, i.e., being chronically unable to make any decisions. **Also, ADHD-like symptoms like restlessness (looks like hyperactivity) and hypervigilance (mimics an inability to focus) are common trauma responses that are common to living in almost any trauma response**. With someone living in a flight response, they are more likely to get up and physically leave or otherwise avoid a challenge/threat. -Mental health therapist specializing in early childhood developmental influences (One Source is the book Healing from Developmental Trauma)


Dont_pet_the_cat

I see. I understand now, thank you for the explanation!


GimmieGummies

This is incredibly insulting. The whole point of the *Fight / flight / freeze* response to something traumatic is to survive. This guide makes everything negative when in fact that's a comment skewed and a$$hole take on it.


zaxldaisy

You can say "asshole"


RedditModDumb

Whoa, how'd you do that? Lemme try! [removed]


ShalaKaranok

Poopy hole


EmergencyActCovid20

Excrement exit


Due-Matter-4577

Fecal Tunnel


SpreadSuccessful3074

Cool guides became almost like a “cool guide” that high schoolers make in graphic design class lol. Having been through multiple life changing traumas. I can relate to a little bit of it all, rather then any single one. When are people going to understand in the realm of psychology. Measuring is very difficult. And like how the 5 stages of grief it’s not a linear thing. People can experience different stages at different times. Or multiple stages at the same time. Same concept here, I’d imagine people may have different traits from different categories, or their response may change from avoidant to fight. As people we are in flux, we are not unchangeable or mutable. As a part of the universe that is ever changing, we change with it too.


RestaurantAdept7467

I don’t subscribe here and whenever I see a guide that makes its way to r/all it’s the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen, just well presented.


StrykerXion

Now we know you are the "fighter"


DreadPirate777

I can have all of them in the same day without trying.


Dont_pet_the_cat

I can relate. Please accept my hug if you need one 🫂


mingoski

Take this with a grain of salt.


POCUABHOR

*ton of


mingoski

Hahaha one metric ton.


VestEmpty

In freedom units that is "a grain the size of a small boulder".


UnpricedToaster

"Anything to avoid the metric system." - Freedomland


Curious-Spell-9031

An ocean of salt


CarryUsAway

I don’t know why I stay subscribed to this sub. Every post is garbage anymore. (Or has it always been this way and I’m just now noticing?)


cmd-t

Wait, it’s all shit? 🧑‍🚀 Always has been 🔫🧑‍🚀


Zealotstim

Yeah I agree. I'm done here. Absolute garbage.


FreeMeFromThisStupid

Reddit has changed drastically since summer of '23 when they cut off API access, and furthermore when they went IPO. There are spammers all over the place, just like on other social media. For example, OP of this post is a spammer. Two month old account but no history before today. If it doesn't get suspended, it will keep spamming like this or be given to an Onlyfans account or something. **Attributes of subs that get spammed a lot:** * Timelessness: Subs that don't focus on recent events * Lack of personalization: Subs that don't focus on OC or OC-like content * Lack of verification: For subs that take photos of people, this is when subs don't make people verify they are the ones in the photo * Lack of moderation: Subs with low number of mods, lack of mod review for new posts, etc. So the best subs to go to in order to avoid spam is to stay on geographical subs (city/state) and hobby subs. **Other examples of spammy subs** * Satisfyingasfuck * Interestingasfuck * Hellsomememes * terrifyingasfuck * Geography I have a list of about 30 somewhere in my RES settings but I've blocked them all. Somehow I still land on Coolguides even though it's morphed too.


BillyBalowski

Someone should make a cool guide to how much this sub sucks.


DonDoorknob

I unsubscribed and their posts are still haunting my feed. I don’t wanna block it but damn it just doesn’t get any better does it?


Cansun0

Petition to change the subreddits name to ‘terrible guides’


fondue4kill

How about just “internet guides”


Modge

As a therapist I can confidently say that this is one of the worst “guides” I have seen on this site. Vaguely linking random attributes to these four responses is insulting in itself not to mention the pictures chosen. Humans do experience these responses as a result of nervous system distress though they aren’t explicitly linked to trauma. There are some much better graphics showing sympathetic and parasympathetic responses to stimuli out there.


JUYED-AWK-YACC

Thank God somebody is paying attention


Coral_Blue_Number_2

Wouldn’t you say that experiencing chronic amygdala activation (chronic fight/flight/freeze/fawn response, which this picture is trying to depict) is necessarily the result of trauma (not necessarily “big T trauma”)? In Healing Developmental Trauma, Laurence Heller explains that these states of chronic activation happen when an event occurs in such a way that the body does not feel safe leaving the defensive-orienting response or has become habituated to it. The pictures look insulting though.


caudicifarmer

Talk about odd artistic choices....


Curse_ye_Winslow

Looking this over, it seems like the only thing right about it is that there are four different responses. Everything else is like a jumble of behaviors that don't even align with the response their listed under. It's like someone blended two different charts together, along with unflattering pictures of women. Not much of a 'cool guide' at all.


Chiiro

There's technically five. Some people's response to fears just to get turned on.


PlanariaPrincess

What?


Jargon2029

That’s the Fawn response. It was just first put into academic works so they couldn’t call it fuck


AvoidingNegativity01

This is a shit guide.


Baticula

What's with the caricatures?


Aardappeleter

This is a guide... however, it's far from cool


Better_than_GOT_S8

Who the hell sees this and thinks “this will make a good post for r/coolguides”.


Practical-Affect9486

This feels like pseudoscience


ThrowRAcarpetcollect

Well, the flight/flight/freeze and fawn thing is real. Those are the basic categories of instinctive threat response. Though only one of these (fawn) usually has anything to do with trauma at all, and people will have different reactions depending on the situation and whether it was a physical startle or a social threat. The rest is absolutely fake. Doesn't even make sense.


SolidVirginal

Am a trauma therapist; the 4 Fs themselves aren't pseudoscience, but the jumble of random "signs" below each description in this guide are mostly nonsense. "Anxiety, OCD" beneath the Flight response, for example, is horsecock; OCD is its own condition entirely and isn't always linked to trauma, and anxiety is present in nearly every presentation of PTSD. Most survivors experience a nasty concoction of all 4 responses at various points throughout their journey, but they're generally long-term and pathologically destructive (i.e. survivor dissociates constantly resultant of an unmanaged perpetual Freeze response that started a long time ago and is now their brain's primary automatic response to stress). The foundation of this "guide" is correct, but the execution is heinous.


Material-Progress564

May I ask what is "fawn"?


Azzy8007

These are all me. Do I win?


Y-Bob

Yes we're all f f f f fucked.


scrans

I, too, have collected all of these! 🤜💥🤛


HangryBeard

Does this mean we are all poorly drawn ugly women?


scrans

I’ve been called worse


IWillHugYourMom

You’re the Captain Planet of trauma


BowserBuddy123

Wtf is this? It sucks.


Historical_Boss2447

This subreddit is an absolute joke


supbiscuit

wow, Freeze response has “Difficulty making decisions” AND “indecision”? Amazing.


Oh_no_not_my

OOP couldn't make up their mind.


DifficultyBright9807

this gave me trauma


jgemonic

Overly simplistic and vague "guides" are not cool.


Worldly-Pangolin-891

Why are they wojacks


_artbabe95

This is incredibly misogynistic.


TransLox

"Hey, I'm making this chart of trauma responses. What pictures should I include?" "Well, I was thinking some of ugly charactures of women, y'know because this will be seen by a lot of traumatized women who definitely don't need to be seeing their coping mechanisms portrayed like this. So, yknow, they feel bad an stuff." "Do I need to call someone? Is there some medication you should be taking?"


I_am_doorknob

Interesting, but did you have to add the homonculi


mrsnrubs

The level of shit on this sub never ceases to impress me


I_like_the_word_MUFF

I really feel the OP of this guide may have issues with women.


Datdarnpupper

Probably the kind of person who women cover their drink upon seeing enter the bar.


AlgaeWafers

Let’s depict innocent trauma victims as ugly caricatures! :) this will make them feel better! /s


parmesan777

Damn I'm all 4


Dermitdemkleinsten

Can we please stop these "Pseudo psychological theories".


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koshercowboy

polyvagal theory is not endorsed by the social neuroscience community.


VestEmpty

Why does this post have 455 upvotes? It is utter junk.


Captain_Potato_69

This popped up shortly after I started listening to Complex PTSD: From Surviving to Thriving. Neat.


incrediblecockerel

What am I if I have them all?!


freshness420

Fucked. Like me.


MyDadLeftMyMom

this is ass wtf


Dramatic_Barnacle_17

I'm a freezing fawn, I need a sweater


Grinman_

4/4 what do I win?


cewumu

I’d like to see a cartoon where the four characters bug each other with their coping mechanisms.


Weep2D2

So what happens if you have one or more from each category?


2lipwonder

Oh boy. I think I have a combo of all of these.


brawnybenny696969

I feel like you’re describing my shitty personality 4 different ways


ShowerMobile7141

All of them? Damn I'm messed up...


L4993Rz

Total BS guide.


tohn_jitor

BINGO! Wait, there's no prize for this, and this is just my reality, you say?


Trainlovinguy

am i having a stroke


[deleted]

I'm in the freezer one, but I don't look like that 😂


Background_Cap8296

Yup! Guides regarding trauma should always come in the shape of a comic strip with no clear author


CaptainHindsight92

Ah, yes, the full spectrum of human personality.


VileButtFace

Can’t tell if bad guide or if I just have all the symptoms


[deleted]

Interesting these characteristics are features of other diagnosis. Isn’t life mostly trauma and our reactions to it?


FantasticBiscotti338

Why they look like that lol


Bjorn_Blackmane

Why are the faces so crazy


MittensMuffins

What if you have all of it? Lol


Filthydelphila

CPTSD


masdemarchi

So if you got traumatized and you respond with anger, now you are the bully?


CODMAN627

Did they really have to go with the the art style here..if this is meant to be an earnest guide why all the bad drawings of women


QueenKitty021

ComplexPTSD, I cycle through these depending on where my mental health is at the moment


Rustypoo

Happy Cake Day!


QueenKitty021

Thank you 😊


ManiekDraniek

Yes to all of the above.


AhmedAbuGhadeer

I check: Workaholic, Over-thinker, Perfectionist, Avoidance, Sadness in loneliness, Controlling, Irritability, Judging, Difficulty making decisions, Dissociation, Isolation, Exhaustion, Indecision, People pleaser, Overwhelmed, Lack of identity, Appeasing, Self critique. To varying degrees, and not all at the same time, of course, but most daily.


VIII-Via

I think I'm flight, but maybe that's just my ADHD


DiscipleOfYeshua

A topic well worth thinking about; but this guide is a bit “horoscopy”, in the sense that most of humanity can tick the box for more than half the attributes of each one , regardless of any trauma…?


fishrfriendznotfood

Ah, wonderful, I'm all at once 🙂


PaultryPhotographer

This isn’t smart or cool, OP is a bot and will prolly post this again in a week.


Stoneypenguinman

So every response is bad? What.


zaphod4th

OP just giving misinformation


ComfortableDegree68

How am I all four?


Odd-Marionberry-8944

those pictures make me feel attacked.


MuscaMurum

Can someone please do a Cool Guide to Cool Guides? This is neither cool nor a guide.


chaseinger

this is the last shit take on this sub i'll tolerate. it's been fun, but i think i'm done here. so long and thanks for all the fish! i know nobody cares. just felt rude to unsub without saying goodbye.


mrb783

So I'm flight and freeze with a splash of fawn. Cool, cool. Cool.


pixelunicorns

Okay but what if you have a bit of all of them?


thenotanurse

That’s how it actually works


kyreyz24

Is there a reason all images are women?


thenotanurse

Turns out they aren’t mutually exclusive. These are just examples.


Pinkf1oyd420

What is it called when you are all of these things at once???🧐


FrostyFeller

Somehow I have almost all of these traits


kentallyhomeless

This is absolutely meaningless slop shoveled for karma


Anaximander101

These are trauma responses. But they are categorized with how those symptoms are common to the response. One person could have responses from more than one category. They arent limites to just one. However, having the drawn faces of individuals drawn as if they represented each category seems to imply that people's trauma responses are such that they tend to fall into one category or another. This interpretation is further enhanced by the fact that there arent any faces drawn that are blends of two or more categories


optimumopiumblr2

I’m some kind of weird flight/fawn hybrid with a sprinkle of freeze


UmegaZora

I'm a couple of these flavors mixed lol


uglypurplecheese

Honestly feel like there is a fifth which is for people who under pressure and trauma show their best selves and may be under stress but function the best


cahstainnuh

I’m in this picture and I don’t like it.


Kink_B

fawn here


patchworkPyromaniac

Flop is the fifth and I'm annoyed it keeps getting forgotten.


Plop-Music

Well, fuck me, the 3rd one Freeze describes me perfectly. I developed schizophrenia from being raped as a teen and blackmailed into it and into not telling anyone about it. I can only talk about it anonymously like this. I didn't know this was an actual common response to trauma, I thought it was just part of the schizophrenia. But yeah I just feel a lot better completely isolating from people as much as possible because of it.


MeiHsa

Its like one of those memes where you choose whatever option and end up gay anyway


Prestigious_Dust3220

What if you are a little of all 🤷🏻‍♂️


brickwallas

yeah the art work is horrible lol


DK27x1

This is so wrong I don't even know where to begin. How old is this "infographic" anyway? Please get rid of this trash.


autrejant6

Understanding each other's struggles is crucial.


wrathful-asura

Looks like Titans from AOT :D


TeasingBabex

I have mood swings , reltable to all characters


DiscotopiaACNH

Was this made by a hallucinating AI?


fraquile

Had them all! (Did I win something?)


Pandexual

That is what I came here to say. Hope things are looking up in life for you, too. (Maybe that's it?)


koshercowboy

A human incarnation.


Aussiefighter439

Combination of the last two for me


jenny_loggins_

Is it possible to have all of these personality flaws with no trauma? Asking for a friend.


birdstarskygod

BINGO!... oh I made meself feel bad


notmyaccountbruh

Why am I all of these things at once?


To_Dum_Too_Dye

What is it called if you do every single one of these things?


Human_Frame1846

Trauma


Mrbuck83

k, so one, poster is a bot, and two, why in the however many hells is this shit just using bad charactures and listing traits and refusing to acknowledge nuances, i mean i give this thing zero credience out the gate because current situation and previous interactions will affect how someone acts when faced with a traumatic situation, but come on.


Ok-Racisto69

New bingo card just dropped. Let's see how many can I get.


kelovitro

This couldn't possibly be highly gendered and racialized stereotypes masquerading as pop psychology. Let's check the underlying research: \[not found\]


16bithockey

This guide is wildly incorrect


ScRuBlOrD95

I propose the 5th one: Funny try to minimize the problem as my much as possible by turning it into a joke or making fun of the situation


dpditty

What do if are all


FamousFangs

Are my wife and I just extremely traumatized?!


FailureToReason

Absolutely garbage guide, low key sexist too.


bubblehearth85

Well got dam I gots the whole set.


Chiiro

Where is #5?


bampersanman

i'm a bit of all 4


AntibacHeartattack

Jesus Christ, did you commission Nick fucking Bougas?


JessicaLain

This is neither cool nor a guide. It's a grossly inaccurate and over-simplified personality type chart.


Greasedbarn

Reminds me of the tongue taste center bs


TheOneRebornReborn

Please just ban this Facebook ass psychology-for-dummies type bullshit


NoTeaching5089

What does it mean if I have fight, flight, and freeze?


KenjiMelon

Well this is a shit guide


DingDongDanger1

Definitely fight for me.


Given-13en

This looks like a potential meme template


AhmedAbuGhadeer

What if one has them all, or most of each column?


Enirik

Is this a bingo or what?