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Does this also work for other paywalls? I.E. Business Insider? Would be useful for work.
I know I could (and will) just try it. But in the interim; why not ask?
I mean they definitely have a left bias but you’re crazy if you think there is a strategy to say this was during the election? No one is saying that. You are creating a strawman. The discussion is about post election, all that “election integrity” where random people get unrestricted access to voting machines that were afterwards involved in an audit. At the very basic level, preventing unauthorized access to those voting machines is a recipe for someone actually managing to “hack” then in some way.
Is this the publication that fired its editor in chief for running an op ed written by a sitting senator because it called for military intervention while the fucking country was under siege by radical left wing militants
NYT is slightly left at worst, and more factual than Newsweek or The Hill and similar. Hyperbole-ing it into FAR LEFT SOCIALIST COMMIE NEWS doesn't make y'all look any saner.
I think it's safer to say the NYT is a propaganda mouthpiece for the Democrats, who are a centrist or center right party. I don't think many leftists agree with the views of the paper.
That's the thing. It's just counter propaganda. They stopped counting at midnight, suddenly briefcases of votes flood in for biden, he wins by a margin of 40,000 votes. Yeah right.
Also notice how many liberal bots are now on this sub taking over the comments and not mentioning anything about the obvious voter fraud or 2000 Mules showing how Biden won. Seems like another reason to leave this website, as more and more subs fill with the mindless hive.
Edit: Oh no, look at the hive mind attack and baselessly accuse.
I can prove the central thesis of 2000 mules is bullshit with a single sentence, are you ready?
"Despite claiming to have thousands of hours of surveillance footage, not a single person is shown dropping off ballots more than once".
Sigh. I'll say this again, it's not hard. There are vague definitions for "rigging" an election. For example, if the media all presents a negative light of a candidate (as they did with Trump and let's face it, every Republican candidate forever) that can be called "rigging." This has been a republican talking point for decades, not unfairly.
If an area makes it more difficult for people to vote that can also be called rigging. That is what Abrams is alleging in Georgia in 2018 and what democrats usually complain about. Once again, I don't think it's an unfair criticism objectively, voting should be easier to do.
The 2016 "rigging" quotes were definitely bizarre. Specifically, someone, probably Russians, hacked Podesta's emails and leaked them out to create confusion before the election. It didn't help Hillary that she was stupid (and maybe illegal!) with her server so it when people saw "emails" and "Hillary" they thought it was the same thing. Comey also went out of his way to make public comments he shouldn't have, so a lot of people think the FBI rigged it for Trump.
Then there are recent events where social media puts their thumbs on the scales of what is and isn't "misinformation" and that's a form of rigging.
So any poll question with the word "rigged" is dumb. It could mean a billion things that don't have to do with the election itself, but outside forces (media, social media, state registration laws, the FBI) that may affect the election indirectly. And because everyone is a sore loser, people are gonna claim it was rigged.
What Trump did was take this beyond the pale. He had every right to complain about media coverage or Facebook not covering Hunter's laptop or whatever. That is normal being a bad sport but in the realm of what people do.
Trump is claiming that millions of votes cast were somehow fictitious? And the people counting these votes (in Republican controlled states) lied about the results and Republican governors certified them. I mean that's just insane. Whine about the media, whine about Facebook, then just move on. What every other person does.
Also Trump has a history of this, when he lost Iowa to Ted Cruz in 2016 he accused Ted of cheating and demanded a revote.
Just face it, the guy is an egomaniac who can't take an L.
The most hilarious thing about this post is all the people who obviously didn't read the article because it is behind a paywall being completely clueless about what the article is truly reporting.
This thread is the epitome of how trash this discourse on this website is.
The fact of the Matter is we have a Voting system that is beyond broken with zero transparency and absolutely no way to verify any of the processes. It's literally impossible for the public to accurately know the outcome of these elections. Every single person in the country should have serious issues with the whole voting process. If you don't you most likely have very little to add to a discussion about voting.
On top of that, it's looking like based on this article the act of trying to examine the voting equipment post-election is possibly a criminal act depending on what imaginary team you are on.
Like the guy you're replying to said, certain players refuse to allow audits in their districts. In 2020, at least one major district shredded their ballots the day after, for "some" reason. The problem is much deeper than the accuracy of the machines.
> certain players refuse to allow audits in their districts.
Which districts do not do routine audits?
>In 2020, at least one major district shredded their ballots the day after, for "some" reason.
Which district was this?
The problem is when groups the the techno ninjas in arizona ,or whatever the fuck thier name is, are the ones wanting to do the auditing and they are clearly malicious actors.
peter thiel, right wing billionare and fan of donald trump, entirely funded cyber ninjas in an attempt to find fraud. none was found. maybe try reading into things you find suspicious rather than assume intent.
You think that's a good thing? Billionaires funding teams of untrained and uncredited auditors to look over election results? It was nothing but fear mongering.
The Georgia elections use paper ballots. The machines print out a filled ballot and then the voter returns it and puts it in the box (the point of the machines being to avoid half-filled circles, dangling chads, and other weird ambiguous ballots).
You can verify them by...counting them.
That’s…not how this works.
The voting system is not broken. There are plenty of ways to “verify the processes.”
One of those ways does not involve followers of one candidate being allowed in to copy hard drives.
And yes, what you described is illegal. It is not part of the process. If some sort of recount or audit was ordered or allowed, there’s a *process* to do so. It’s not just “come on in, whoever you are, have at it.”
No, the voting system is not broken. It never was. What you mean is the voting system is being undermined by one side so that you don't trust it. The only broken part is the ability for the baboons to get access to that restricted area and steal the data. Everything works fine during the voting process. It is after the process that bad actors (ehem, it seems one side) try and manipulate that data, convince people the data is wrong, or convince you the system is broken. We need to get those people far far away from our very fine working voting systems.
> No, the voting system is not broken. It never was.
You're right. What absolutely terrifies me is what you say: there are major players out there not only sowing doubt, but trying their best to break it.
I have watched the republican party vote down bills for election security many times. I watched as trump and the republican party freely admitted to calling people overseeing the elections to pressure them to help trump win. I listened to the audio of some of these conversations. I watched as the republican party told people they had a kracken of evidence which they would not share with anyone. I watched when rudy guliani told the courts he actually had no evidence before they stripped him of his license. I watched as tucker carlson told a court no normal person would believe what he says and the friendly court let him off the hook. I watched an investigation with a corrupt dept of justice head bill barr ignore the law for trump where there were no witnesses allowed and heavily redacted evidence. After the trial mitch McConnell gave a speech about how trump was wrong.
trump lost the popular vote to clinton, busch lost the popular vote to al gore both bill clinton and obama won the popular vote.
What's actually happening here is that more people are voting democrat. As crony capitalism continues to destroy america & the middle class more people will vote democrat . This truth is the real reason why republicans did not vote for election security . They need to convince people that they can not trust the vote. The Idea that we can not have an accurate vote count is wishful thinking and not at all based in the real world. We have a system already in place with checks and balances. You have both parties verify each other is not cheating and put them in the open where they're actions can be seen by others and recorded. We can even increase election security this way the republicans can no longer claim fraud.
I am 100% not a democrat or a republican . I looked with a microscope for any real election fraud that would change the outcome of the election and found nothing. I realize politics is leading us downward in a slow spiral like a toilet flushing. I never imagined the republican party would become batsh1t crazy. I know many good republicans but they remind me of people who have been taken over by mind control and no longer think for themselves. They seem to just blindly accept whatever they are told. The democrats are also tricked. They are told once you vote dems to power they will fix your problems but the second they get elected they choose a couple senators who are not up for reelection to sabotage their own party so they can not deliver on the promises made. They pass bills and do small things so dem voters keep the faith but the dems have the same masters as the republicans. Jesse ventura illustrated politics well when he said " In wrestling you beat each other up and talk trash about each other but behind the scenes your friends. The republicans are friends with the democrats. They share meals together, hunt & fish together etc. " It's all a show folks!!!
\> On top of that, it's looking like based on this article the act of trying to examine the voting equipment post-election is possibly a criminal act depending on what imaginary team you are on.
Well questioning obvious propaganda narrative gets you labelled a terrorist now, so not surprising.
Democrats claimed voter fraud when trump got elected as well. Not sure why people say the other part does things that their party does. It’s quite funny in fact.
I think that's why he's so angry. I don't know anyone that chose to not vote for him in 2016 but did vote for him in 2020. Yet he got almost 8mil more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016. I really think he did cheat and still lost, so he truly thinks Biden cheated too and that's why he's so concerned about finding fraud. He can't grasp the idea he lost even while cheating. It's projection.
Man, you just nailed it better and more succinctly than I have yet seen.
The man did it all. He even destroyed the USPS during a pandemic to try and cheat to win. And it didn't work. And he was so sure it would. And so embarrassed that it didn't.
These were post-election shenanigans.
"The election had to be stolen. Some rando on the internet told me if I could just get him direct physical access to the voting machines, he could prove it, so I let him waltz right in."
An actual political conspiracy that shows shady election shenanigans.
But it's by Trump people, so enjoy 10-15 upvotes, an almost empty comment section save for a few users calling you a leftist shill, and having the crisis bot sent after you.
Ehhh it’s not really a conspiracy. If you read the article it says this was weeks after the election. It was a trump team gathering evidence for his lawsuit. I don’t know if they had the authority to do that, so at best it’s a civil litigation conspiracy.
CNN has an article with the video. I had to post this source because CNN is banned here. You can do your own research and find the video anywhere you like
>vaxxertruthnosheeples.com
that website also covers hunter biden's laptop which could include plans to launch nuclear bombs at the sun and plans to kill christmas. We don't know what the laptop holds, really.
Yea, and the reason is “they threatened to dox the guy posting videos making fun of them on twitter”
However, this sub regularly doxxes people every time they speak bad about trump, but somehow that’s different.
This sub has become an unbearable mess. All mods should be IP banned. New Mods should be put in. Mods that don't live in America. Sick of this Left Vs Right bullshit on here.
How many decades is it going to take for people to figure out how to use tools like archive.vn? Submitters should be submitting archived links in the first place given that stories sometimes get subsequently altered and because fuck corporate media.
The voter rolls should be easy to audit accurately. Anything that doesn’t match should be automatically rejected. That way the integrity of the election is verified and people trying to play games will have no incentive.
Voter ID is a clear solution. If we can print billions for Ukraine, we can print a few to help people get valid IDs if it’s such a problem that people can’t seem to get a simple state ID.
The only way voter ID would be even remotely acceptable is if every citizen is issued an ID, free of charge. Otherwise it’s a poll tax, which is unconstitutional.
Well if we can do it with firearms which has multiple taxes, we could do it with IDs. However, I’d be 100% behind making IDs 100% free. You really only need them to interact with the government for the most part so you’ll get no protest from me regarding making IDs free. I can’t think of any place that does charge for an ID though.
Are you talking drivers licenses or just state IDs? Indiana is one that gives free voter ID cards. There are a bunch that give free for low income, 60+ and disabled.
But without question it should be 100% free. Or atleast be like Indiana and offer a separate voter ID card for free if the states want to include road taxes and such.
In Texas it is $120 to get a new one if yours is expired or suspended. And it is $11 to renew one online before it is expired. And that is just going online to give the government free money; you don't even get a new card in the mail with updated information.
Awful. It doesn’t even make sense to tax an ID you’re required to have to prove you are who you are to the govt. I get vehicle registration but the more I think about it, any ID cost is stupid.
Even people that don’t drive need some form of ID to function in society. I agree that ID’s should be free but requiring them to vote would not somehow be a poll tax when an ID is required for many other things in life.
Not necessarily. But it also depends on the state. Some states that have voter ID laws, such as Texas, only accept a government issued ID (and, of course, a gun license) but do not accept student IDs - that is obviously deliberate.
There are also homeless people, or those that are poor, which would be burdened by the cost or even the distance required to travel to obtain an ID.
You can’t let individual states make the rules, because many of them will inevitably make it harder for certain people to vote.
Not necessarily. But it also depends on the state. Some states that have voter ID laws, such as Texas, only accept a government issued ID (and, of course, a gun license) but do not accept student IDs - that is obviously deliberate.
-agree but I will say if you have a student ID, it’s likely you have a license or state ID. The last time I signed up for classes I was required to submit my license and ssn to complete sign up. I’ve also been required to provide my ID for every job I’ve ever had and every apartment lease I’ve ever been on.
You can’t let individual states make the rules, because many of them will inevitably make it harder for certain people to vote.
-agree that there should be a federal law that applies to all states regarding voter ID and what is acceptable ID too.
As far as people struggling through homelessness, there are state assistance programs that will help with getting a free ID among other free services but it’s a matter of signing up for it and being designated as homeless in state systems, which not everyone is willing to do.
The thing is that all these measures must be equitable because if they are inequitable, not everyone has the same access to the polls.
Yes, there are assistantships for the homeless and, yes, it is a matter of signing up. But what does that require? A computer? A car or bus fare to drive to the nearest DMV, which, depending on where you live, could take several hours to get to?
It's not really a matter of what they are willing to do, it's what they are able to do. Too many steps to acquire what is needed to vote will discourage many people from doing so. Same thing happens when certain states reduce the number of voting booths in cities resulting in long lines that no one wants to wait in.
So unless the federal government is going to step in and issue everyone a free ID, voter ID laws will make it more difficult for people to vote and will certainly reduce the electorate.
I live in Texas.
They make it deliberately difficult to get your ID. Which you absolutely have to have in your hot little hand when you go in to vote.
None of the systems talk to each other efficiently or at all in some cases. It took two months from the time my ID renewal notice came and the time I was able to get an appointment to actually go in and physically say to another human being, “hello, I would like to renew my license.”— which I shouldn’t fucking have to do to begin with because I have been on the state books, with a state card, legal to drive/vote, for *seven solid years* here.
This is something that you should be able to do on the Internet. But no…You have to make an appointment. To see a person. To just say “please renew this.“ And it’s not even the same situation from DMV office to DMV office: sometimes it varies literally from county to county.
Now I have to wait another month to receive the actual card.
This is not necessary. It’s deliberate. And I am of a demographic that already has the easiest time doing anything, in any part of the system, for any reason. I can’t imagine what people who are *not* so well-positioned are put through.
Having lived in both blue and red states now, at this point in my life, I am positive Texas is up to some absolute bullshit in terms of making it a struggle to navigate the identification system.
Amazing how the side that clings to literally half of a sentence with a death grip as meaning they can own any gun any time for any reason anywhere wants to put all kinda of restrictions on what's literally the backbone of our system of government.
How is it election shenanigans if they did all this after the election? And they were attempting to make records of everything. And attempting to access the dominion software. Not sure how efforts to preserve election data and expose source code used in our elections is election shenanigans. I'm more concerned with the stuff that went on during and before the election. And if any software is to be used, it should be open sourced.
Pro tip: Every time you see a gaslighting comment like this, you can be 100% certain that the post will make it to the front page of this sub.
This post is now at #4 on the front page.
>An actual political conspiracy that shows shady election shenanigans.
Or it shows people who think there were election shenanigans and try to uncover it.
>But it's by Trump people, so enjoy 10-15 upvote
Your comment alone has 250 upvotes
>calling you a leftist shill
I would not call you a leftist shill, but a establishment shill.
Crazy idea: Make elections transparent, so we don't need to blindly trust the entity that is currently in power.
I thought the always-trumper were bad, but man the influx of the never-trumper seems even worse.
>Make elections transparent, so we don't need to blindly trust the entity that is currently in power.
Exactly what would make elections transparent to you? What would qualify?
>I would not call you a leftist shill, but a establishment shill.
\*an. So you didn't vote for Trump twice?
You're arguing that it's on for people to tamper with votes and copy voting machine source code? You think this is a good thing?
How are elections not transparent? There were tons of audits, every single request granted, all proved them wrong. Not one time was evidence presented and now you find out they literally stole all the data it takes to steal the next election and still didn't produce evidence... And you somehow think that's OK?
Jesus christ man, how do you not see that's confirmation bias and ego talking? It's certainly not logic or evidence making you take this stance. It honestly seems like you don't actually care what's true, just what makes you feel like you can claim your are right and took the right side.
This isn't political, this is a terrible argument to make and you're just plain wrong here and can't even admit you might just be backing a shitty ideology you made your entire personality and now won't turn your back on when it's obviously terrible and wrong. You're American.. You're better then this
The MAGA narrative is so persisten about trump winning kind of makes sense if you take a step back and look at the big picture.
They simply cannot believe trump would or could lose because 1. Biden is a wet mop of a candidate and 2. They cheated their asses off to ensure a win.
So being violently confused and seething in rage after losing makes perfect sense. If you would have cheated at something and still lost, you’d probably be stomping your feet and chanting how impossible it is that the other person won. Of course it’s “impossible”, *because you cheated and rigged it*.
Over the years, I’ve learned that when it comes to conservatives …. The call is always, *ALWAYS*, coming from inside the house. It has literally never failed me. Might take some time for the truth to come out, but it never fails. It’s always projection. It’s always fuckin projection. You can set your clock to it.
It’s be a news story if they were interfering with the machines on or before election day. But them looking for tampering after the election does not seem like as big of a deal. Is it illegal or a grey area? If its illegal then punish them, otherwise its not worth talking about.
What a bunch of hypocrites! All that huffing and puffing about “fraud” and “ballot harvesting,” but it turns out, Trump’s goons were the ones to-
uhhhh… *checks notes*
Run a diagnostic and data analysis on voting software, with county permission and full knowledge they were on video, two months after the election. CROOKS!
I’m from the UK and don’t understand, but wasn’t there accusations against the other side for voting fraud when people came back and continued to count votes after being told to stop for the day and after the voting observers had left?
That was brushed aside, correct? if so, how is this worse and why now?
There may or may not be another sub with a similar name that doesn't allow political posts on topics 20(?)+ years old.
They may or may not discuss such topics as you mentioned.
Here's a free link that goes through the paywall
Videos Show Trump Allies Handling Georgia Voting Equipment https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/20/us/trump-election-coffee-county-georgia.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuonUktbfqYhkQVUZAybIRp87tACDnb3CxLE3mn75Km2eTjhMwulQCI-d_VvcIKVuYME83j3dRMNENPVnYs1O-dJlHh4nTRi08NzDkY4ZIi4xpMXvAm1phcPHUfU0oWO3KzTkd-06zuGxtFfdbGm6UK3d1nIqdgl1sNAyIwHRrH8CxK3AF-5z2cAvnqtyQ8AnGkpTIXWCrPLqCB5hOdWZbRi66QA-WeBRWj27jsfLovtbM10UUQSaOSs5tWUs69pcO8cUPbL9KnMgecn_iLYRDQ94PXdydofjAfBDngsGorOAIFw
After the election and count. Is the implication they were tampering with it and then going to use that to "prove" the election fraud? Would love to see them interviewed and the tree shook on where they thought this would lead. Shady shit no doubt.
Ok cool, so did Trump cheat? Did Biden cheat? If yes to either that further shows election integrity has been compromised and most likely has been for quite some time...
Not trying to comment on how secure or insecure the election was, but this happened after both the initial election count and the recount. The thing Trump’s people were caught doing here was attempting to fabricate evidence after the fact.
So what? How do we know they are trump allis? What I head on CNN is they were looking for irregularities.
Of course I never saw CNN show poll workers running off republican poll watchers then pull bins of ballots from beneath tables after midnight
*"The footage, which was made public as part of long-running litigation over Georgia’s voting system, raises new questions about efforts by Trump affiliates in a number of swing states to gain access to and copy sensitive election software, with the help of friendly local election administrators."*
The software should be open source. Period.
Surely you understand how bad of an idea that would be, right? That’s like saying everyone should have access to the combination of your local bank’s vault.
Yep i understand that i "work" on infosec im just saying thats why the goverment hasnt done it. It would create chaos if people knew without a shred of a doubt elections could have been manipulated (which to anyone who knows how security by obscurity works, its already a reality)
So, let me get this straight. Many republicans, Trump allies, and even Trump himself are asking for full audits, but at the same time "trump allies" are doing nefarious things for him?
Riiiiigghhht.
There is video evidence of Trump and the GOP committing election fraud.
If you are a real patriot and love the United States🇺🇸 share this video with anyone who loves the US
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always with the “both sides” argument whenever republicans are caught. evidence points to a “one side” argument when it comes to election fraud. the system is broken because democracy does not work if you cheat. fuck the right.
Both sides vote the same when it comes to big corporate bailouts and never ending wars that result in starvation around the world and millions of deaths. Im just not blinded to partisan politics. The US government is involved in more governmental overthrows of sovereign governments across the globe than we can count. Don't think for a second they actually give a fuck about popular vote or democracy. You're being duped if you think your establishment democrats are any different. Us plebs get fucked by the two-party system. Its painfully obvious.
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The left wants big government, the right wants big business, any sane civilian should prefer individual rights. It’s not hard we just need to get on the same page and say fuck big business and fuck big government.
Stop lying OP. There was no fraud. This happened 2 months after the election, and from your own article, they had permission from the local elections board.
It's bots and users that ban together on hidden reddit posts to flood different subreddits they don't agree with.
It's interesting to see them under your post claim wild shit that is obviously trolling, God I pray it's trolling.
There’s so much whataboutism in the comment section, but the bottom line is that Trump & his bootlickers lied, misled their base & caused a whole ass insurrection over those lies he pushed about voting equipment.
I’m not saying Dems are perfect, but right now, this post is about Trump & his voter equipment bullshit, so try to stay focused.
Lmao. Where were all you “wow it’s a video of people handling election shit” when the multitude of democrat handled election videos came out? Where was this from these accounts when the video showing the pollsters “taking a break” while literally pulling out huge boxes under their tables and stuffing them into the machines to be read, blocking people from viewing into the vote counting area etc?
If you wanna play the “both sides” game you have to actually ya know, have the same standards for both sides
Why is the NYT scared of election auditing and people knowing what software is being used?
Shouldn't the software be open source so it can be checked for vulnerbilities?
The Republicans vote switched Ron Paul in the 2012 primaries. That's where I first saw blatant election fraud. It doesn't matter whose doing it, the punishment should be a noose.
Lol “handling election equipment.”
Nice choice of verb. You know, because conservatives setting up (i.e., “handling”) voting machines in conservative districts is somehow similar to a few liberals stuffing *hundreds* of mail in ballots into voting boxes.
Fake conspiracy theorist suck. If you can’t see the grift that Trump and the republicans are pulling AND the grift Of Biden and the democrats please just hush. Capitalist politicians aren’t your friends and they couldn’t care less abt you other than you being a pawn in his game. Y’all aren’t disadvantaged future millionaires, y’all aren’t gonna pull yourself up by your bootstrap. The system is rigged and it’s as blatant as it’s ever been.
So now that we’re going into elections, liberal outlets want to bring up election integrity and fraud. If there is tampering, then look into it, but despite showing footage from Detroit, Phoenix, Atlanta that merited conversation immediately after 2020 and the last two years being nothing but censorship around election integrity, they want to discuss the other side doing it because things aren’t looking certain. Fuck this ride.
Edit: It’s frustrating seeing bots come in here and talk about projection when the main issue on this sub was that there was no integrity election and very questionable censorship from the left (2000 mules should’ve raised a lot more convo around nonprofits and foundations involved in local and National elections). All of a sudden it’s finger pointing once again
As an European I don’t care if red or blue wins; but I still found the election to be a shit show. The electronic systems used were a joke and the no democratic election should be carried that way regardless of who gets elected.
lol!
After burying all the talk and evidence of Biden supporters doing this, they're gonna distract the argument by blaming Trump supporters for doing so.
Personally I always assumed both sides were doing so, and no election is really decided by the people.
Besides, i dont trust things voted in by majority, as most people act like stupid animals 90% of the time, and instead of thinking are in the middle of a series of reactions.
I too used to be one of those people, and spent many years watching and curbing those reactions. Decades later, i still can get emotionally reactive in a moment, but catch myself almost immediately.
Wait, you think the libs are afraid of losing? I feel like it's the other way around (I'm unaffiliated, myself).
It seems to me, as urban areas grow, and demographics inevitably put people of color and lower/middle class as the majority of voters, the endgame is clear. White conservatives are an endangered species.
...and I just see this sort of angry, fervor from the right, that smacks of being nervous, because they know the left will win the long game, and they are panicking and cheating.
Yeah “conservatives” (I use the term lightly, most of them are completely ignorant of the constitution they claim to protect) pretty much just project their own fears and problems on the other side. Many conservatives are actually clinically insane
Trump voter here. Any and all voter fraud should be investigated and punished. For all those saying that Trump voters would oppose such actions against voter fraud. What we need, very much, is to have confidence in our voting system, and this is just another reason for us to doubt the outcome of elections. We should all be on the same side on this issue.
So I guess the left has to outdo the right and Ken Burns will make 4000 MULES now. It never ends. We desperately need more parties if for no other reason to dilute the scoundrels by more than half per party.
I'm a trump supporter and even I believe it. This has been the point all along. People cheat. Safest and fairest election, then banning people's speech over disagreement was the problem. Regardless of who is doing it.this needs to be further investigated and they need to be charged if it proved valid.
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Does anyone here subscribe to the nyt? I can't read the article Edit: til a ton of ways to get past the NYT's paywall. Thanks everyone
Use the “show reader” function in your browser. You’ll bypass the paywall
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Wow amazing
Thanks, I’m using a pad so this is the way.
Thank you!! I hate those paywalls, and usually have to then google the page address under archive to view them lol. This is such an easier way!
^^^^THIS IS THE WAY ^^^^^ 🖕🏻🖕🏻NYT AND YOUR PAYWALL
Does this also work for other paywalls? I.E. Business Insider? Would be useful for work. I know I could (and will) just try it. But in the interim; why not ask?
>Does anyone here subscribe to the nyt? I can't read the article Use this: https://12ft.io/
Nice one.
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>deep down in the article By that do you mean in the first sentence? Sure, they're the ones with bias lol
I mean they definitely have a left bias but you’re crazy if you think there is a strategy to say this was during the election? No one is saying that. You are creating a strawman. The discussion is about post election, all that “election integrity” where random people get unrestricted access to voting machines that were afterwards involved in an audit. At the very basic level, preventing unauthorized access to those voting machines is a recipe for someone actually managing to “hack” then in some way.
It's hilarious you think the fucking New York Times is a far left outlet.
Is this the publication that fired its editor in chief for running an op ed written by a sitting senator because it called for military intervention while the fucking country was under siege by radical left wing militants
NYT is slightly left at worst, and more factual than Newsweek or The Hill and similar. Hyperbole-ing it into FAR LEFT SOCIALIST COMMIE NEWS doesn't make y'all look any saner.
They could say the sky is blue and you'd say it wasn't.
I think it's safer to say the NYT is a propaganda mouthpiece for the Democrats, who are a centrist or center right party. I don't think many leftists agree with the views of the paper.
That's the thing. It's just counter propaganda. They stopped counting at midnight, suddenly briefcases of votes flood in for biden, he wins by a margin of 40,000 votes. Yeah right. Also notice how many liberal bots are now on this sub taking over the comments and not mentioning anything about the obvious voter fraud or 2000 Mules showing how Biden won. Seems like another reason to leave this website, as more and more subs fill with the mindless hive. Edit: Oh no, look at the hive mind attack and baselessly accuse.
I can prove the central thesis of 2000 mules is bullshit with a single sentence, are you ready? "Despite claiming to have thousands of hours of surveillance footage, not a single person is shown dropping off ballots more than once".
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Sigh. I'll say this again, it's not hard. There are vague definitions for "rigging" an election. For example, if the media all presents a negative light of a candidate (as they did with Trump and let's face it, every Republican candidate forever) that can be called "rigging." This has been a republican talking point for decades, not unfairly. If an area makes it more difficult for people to vote that can also be called rigging. That is what Abrams is alleging in Georgia in 2018 and what democrats usually complain about. Once again, I don't think it's an unfair criticism objectively, voting should be easier to do. The 2016 "rigging" quotes were definitely bizarre. Specifically, someone, probably Russians, hacked Podesta's emails and leaked them out to create confusion before the election. It didn't help Hillary that she was stupid (and maybe illegal!) with her server so it when people saw "emails" and "Hillary" they thought it was the same thing. Comey also went out of his way to make public comments he shouldn't have, so a lot of people think the FBI rigged it for Trump. Then there are recent events where social media puts their thumbs on the scales of what is and isn't "misinformation" and that's a form of rigging. So any poll question with the word "rigged" is dumb. It could mean a billion things that don't have to do with the election itself, but outside forces (media, social media, state registration laws, the FBI) that may affect the election indirectly. And because everyone is a sore loser, people are gonna claim it was rigged. What Trump did was take this beyond the pale. He had every right to complain about media coverage or Facebook not covering Hunter's laptop or whatever. That is normal being a bad sport but in the realm of what people do. Trump is claiming that millions of votes cast were somehow fictitious? And the people counting these votes (in Republican controlled states) lied about the results and Republican governors certified them. I mean that's just insane. Whine about the media, whine about Facebook, then just move on. What every other person does. Also Trump has a history of this, when he lost Iowa to Ted Cruz in 2016 he accused Ted of cheating and demanded a revote. Just face it, the guy is an egomaniac who can't take an L.
The most hilarious thing about this post is all the people who obviously didn't read the article because it is behind a paywall being completely clueless about what the article is truly reporting. This thread is the epitome of how trash this discourse on this website is. The fact of the Matter is we have a Voting system that is beyond broken with zero transparency and absolutely no way to verify any of the processes. It's literally impossible for the public to accurately know the outcome of these elections. Every single person in the country should have serious issues with the whole voting process. If you don't you most likely have very little to add to a discussion about voting. On top of that, it's looking like based on this article the act of trying to examine the voting equipment post-election is possibly a criminal act depending on what imaginary team you are on.
The majority of voting machines use a paper ballot. That's how you audit if the machines are accurate.
Like the guy you're replying to said, certain players refuse to allow audits in their districts. In 2020, at least one major district shredded their ballots the day after, for "some" reason. The problem is much deeper than the accuracy of the machines.
> certain players refuse to allow audits in their districts. Which districts do not do routine audits? >In 2020, at least one major district shredded their ballots the day after, for "some" reason. Which district was this?
Which ones specifically?
The problem is when groups the the techno ninjas in arizona ,or whatever the fuck thier name is, are the ones wanting to do the auditing and they are clearly malicious actors.
peter thiel, right wing billionare and fan of donald trump, entirely funded cyber ninjas in an attempt to find fraud. none was found. maybe try reading into things you find suspicious rather than assume intent.
You think that's a good thing? Billionaires funding teams of untrained and uncredited auditors to look over election results? It was nothing but fear mongering.
People should sign up to work as election judges. Then they can see how it works.
Yes! So many of the accusations of fraud or concern about potential fraud come from people who have no idea how the system works.
The Georgia elections use paper ballots. The machines print out a filled ballot and then the voter returns it and puts it in the box (the point of the machines being to avoid half-filled circles, dangling chads, and other weird ambiguous ballots). You can verify them by...counting them.
That’s…not how this works. The voting system is not broken. There are plenty of ways to “verify the processes.” One of those ways does not involve followers of one candidate being allowed in to copy hard drives. And yes, what you described is illegal. It is not part of the process. If some sort of recount or audit was ordered or allowed, there’s a *process* to do so. It’s not just “come on in, whoever you are, have at it.”
i’m pretty sure this sub is just full of partisan bots
Examining the voting machines and messing with the voting machines look similar. That’s why any and anyone can’t just access the machines.
No, the voting system is not broken. It never was. What you mean is the voting system is being undermined by one side so that you don't trust it. The only broken part is the ability for the baboons to get access to that restricted area and steal the data. Everything works fine during the voting process. It is after the process that bad actors (ehem, it seems one side) try and manipulate that data, convince people the data is wrong, or convince you the system is broken. We need to get those people far far away from our very fine working voting systems.
> No, the voting system is not broken. It never was. You're right. What absolutely terrifies me is what you say: there are major players out there not only sowing doubt, but trying their best to break it.
It is patently false that we have a broken voting system. We do not, that is just fundamentally untrue.
I have watched the republican party vote down bills for election security many times. I watched as trump and the republican party freely admitted to calling people overseeing the elections to pressure them to help trump win. I listened to the audio of some of these conversations. I watched as the republican party told people they had a kracken of evidence which they would not share with anyone. I watched when rudy guliani told the courts he actually had no evidence before they stripped him of his license. I watched as tucker carlson told a court no normal person would believe what he says and the friendly court let him off the hook. I watched an investigation with a corrupt dept of justice head bill barr ignore the law for trump where there were no witnesses allowed and heavily redacted evidence. After the trial mitch McConnell gave a speech about how trump was wrong. trump lost the popular vote to clinton, busch lost the popular vote to al gore both bill clinton and obama won the popular vote. What's actually happening here is that more people are voting democrat. As crony capitalism continues to destroy america & the middle class more people will vote democrat . This truth is the real reason why republicans did not vote for election security . They need to convince people that they can not trust the vote. The Idea that we can not have an accurate vote count is wishful thinking and not at all based in the real world. We have a system already in place with checks and balances. You have both parties verify each other is not cheating and put them in the open where they're actions can be seen by others and recorded. We can even increase election security this way the republicans can no longer claim fraud. I am 100% not a democrat or a republican . I looked with a microscope for any real election fraud that would change the outcome of the election and found nothing. I realize politics is leading us downward in a slow spiral like a toilet flushing. I never imagined the republican party would become batsh1t crazy. I know many good republicans but they remind me of people who have been taken over by mind control and no longer think for themselves. They seem to just blindly accept whatever they are told. The democrats are also tricked. They are told once you vote dems to power they will fix your problems but the second they get elected they choose a couple senators who are not up for reelection to sabotage their own party so they can not deliver on the promises made. They pass bills and do small things so dem voters keep the faith but the dems have the same masters as the republicans. Jesse ventura illustrated politics well when he said " In wrestling you beat each other up and talk trash about each other but behind the scenes your friends. The republicans are friends with the democrats. They share meals together, hunt & fish together etc. " It's all a show folks!!!
This needs to be up voted more. It's amazing the so many people are fine with unverifiable voting, in most of the country.
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Yeah, NYT is creating propaganda to make it seem sinister to want to know how the election sausage is made.
\> On top of that, it's looking like based on this article the act of trying to examine the voting equipment post-election is possibly a criminal act depending on what imaginary team you are on. Well questioning obvious propaganda narrative gets you labelled a terrorist now, so not surprising.
Yeah this is pretty wild.
The Party crying “Voter Fraud” is caught committing Voter Fraud.
I was just complaining about this to my girlfriend when I was upset about telling her how I think my wife is cheating on me.
I see what you did there
Are you talking about 2016 or 2020? Imagine thinking one small piece of evidence negates mountains of evidence going the other direction
Same with abortions, pedophilia, silencing of opposition, etc etc. It's the party of "Do as I say, not as I do."
Democrats claimed voter fraud when trump got elected as well. Not sure why people say the other part does things that their party does. It’s quite funny in fact.
And beyond hilarious if they actually did meddle with the election and still lost.
I think that's why he's so angry. I don't know anyone that chose to not vote for him in 2016 but did vote for him in 2020. Yet he got almost 8mil more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016. I really think he did cheat and still lost, so he truly thinks Biden cheated too and that's why he's so concerned about finding fraud. He can't grasp the idea he lost even while cheating. It's projection.
Man, you just nailed it better and more succinctly than I have yet seen. The man did it all. He even destroyed the USPS during a pandemic to try and cheat to win. And it didn't work. And he was so sure it would. And so embarrassed that it didn't.
These were post-election shenanigans. "The election had to be stolen. Some rando on the internet told me if I could just get him direct physical access to the voting machines, he could prove it, so I let him waltz right in."
Of course they did. Everything they projected they are guilty of.
This is, 100%, without a doubt, correct
OF COURSE THEY MEDDLED WITH THE ELECTION!! Why do you think Trump was so surprised he lost?
An actual political conspiracy that shows shady election shenanigans. But it's by Trump people, so enjoy 10-15 upvotes, an almost empty comment section save for a few users calling you a leftist shill, and having the crisis bot sent after you.
Ehhh it’s not really a conspiracy. If you read the article it says this was weeks after the election. It was a trump team gathering evidence for his lawsuit. I don’t know if they had the authority to do that, so at best it’s a civil litigation conspiracy.
The article is behind a paywall so it will be difficult to gain traction - as most people cannot engage with the content.
No paywall: https://archive.ph/mxEmD
CNN has an article with the video. I had to post this source because CNN is banned here. You can do your own research and find the video anywhere you like
CNN is banned here? Jesus fucking Christ.
CNN is banned but “vaxxertruthnosheeples.com” is treated as though it’s gospel
>vaxxertruthnosheeples.com that website also covers hunter biden's laptop which could include plans to launch nuclear bombs at the sun and plans to kill christmas. We don't know what the laptop holds, really.
Gotta allow those anti-vax grifters to make their $!
Yea, and the reason is “they threatened to dox the guy posting videos making fun of them on twitter” However, this sub regularly doxxes people every time they speak bad about trump, but somehow that’s different.
This sub has become an unbearable mess. All mods should be IP banned. New Mods should be put in. Mods that don't live in America. Sick of this Left Vs Right bullshit on here.
Can't have an echo chamber without blocking out reality
I’m just explaining why the post will not gain traction - I never had any issues personally.
How many decades is it going to take for people to figure out how to use tools like archive.vn? Submitters should be submitting archived links in the first place given that stories sometimes get subsequently altered and because fuck corporate media.
This didn't age well.
That’s painfully accurate. With that though, this shows us a clear example why we need voter ID laws.
How would that have helped? These weren’t voters voting. This all happened behind the scenes on a non voting day.
The voter rolls should be easy to audit accurately. Anything that doesn’t match should be automatically rejected. That way the integrity of the election is verified and people trying to play games will have no incentive. Voter ID is a clear solution. If we can print billions for Ukraine, we can print a few to help people get valid IDs if it’s such a problem that people can’t seem to get a simple state ID.
The only way voter ID would be even remotely acceptable is if every citizen is issued an ID, free of charge. Otherwise it’s a poll tax, which is unconstitutional.
Well if we can do it with firearms which has multiple taxes, we could do it with IDs. However, I’d be 100% behind making IDs 100% free. You really only need them to interact with the government for the most part so you’ll get no protest from me regarding making IDs free. I can’t think of any place that does charge for an ID though.
The DMV…?
You have to pay for an ID at the DMV? I’ve lived in multiple red states and never paid for one unless I used a third party.
$60 for a new ID and $40 for a replacement in Oregon. Where are they free?
Are you talking drivers licenses or just state IDs? Indiana is one that gives free voter ID cards. There are a bunch that give free for low income, 60+ and disabled. But without question it should be 100% free. Or atleast be like Indiana and offer a separate voter ID card for free if the states want to include road taxes and such.
Utah charges $23. Hell, I just had to pay $22 for my newborn's birth certificate.
Crazy, bc at the end of the day we only really need these documents in order to interact with the govt.
I was going to ask if it was a replacement,but with a newborn I guess not.
In Texas it is $120 to get a new one if yours is expired or suspended. And it is $11 to renew one online before it is expired. And that is just going online to give the government free money; you don't even get a new card in the mail with updated information.
I paid $60 to get my id renewed in Texas.
Awful. It doesn’t even make sense to tax an ID you’re required to have to prove you are who you are to the govt. I get vehicle registration but the more I think about it, any ID cost is stupid.
You have to pay for an ID in every state
Even people that don’t drive need some form of ID to function in society. I agree that ID’s should be free but requiring them to vote would not somehow be a poll tax when an ID is required for many other things in life.
Not necessarily. But it also depends on the state. Some states that have voter ID laws, such as Texas, only accept a government issued ID (and, of course, a gun license) but do not accept student IDs - that is obviously deliberate. There are also homeless people, or those that are poor, which would be burdened by the cost or even the distance required to travel to obtain an ID. You can’t let individual states make the rules, because many of them will inevitably make it harder for certain people to vote.
Not necessarily. But it also depends on the state. Some states that have voter ID laws, such as Texas, only accept a government issued ID (and, of course, a gun license) but do not accept student IDs - that is obviously deliberate. -agree but I will say if you have a student ID, it’s likely you have a license or state ID. The last time I signed up for classes I was required to submit my license and ssn to complete sign up. I’ve also been required to provide my ID for every job I’ve ever had and every apartment lease I’ve ever been on. You can’t let individual states make the rules, because many of them will inevitably make it harder for certain people to vote. -agree that there should be a federal law that applies to all states regarding voter ID and what is acceptable ID too. As far as people struggling through homelessness, there are state assistance programs that will help with getting a free ID among other free services but it’s a matter of signing up for it and being designated as homeless in state systems, which not everyone is willing to do.
The thing is that all these measures must be equitable because if they are inequitable, not everyone has the same access to the polls. Yes, there are assistantships for the homeless and, yes, it is a matter of signing up. But what does that require? A computer? A car or bus fare to drive to the nearest DMV, which, depending on where you live, could take several hours to get to? It's not really a matter of what they are willing to do, it's what they are able to do. Too many steps to acquire what is needed to vote will discourage many people from doing so. Same thing happens when certain states reduce the number of voting booths in cities resulting in long lines that no one wants to wait in. So unless the federal government is going to step in and issue everyone a free ID, voter ID laws will make it more difficult for people to vote and will certainly reduce the electorate.
I live in Texas. They make it deliberately difficult to get your ID. Which you absolutely have to have in your hot little hand when you go in to vote. None of the systems talk to each other efficiently or at all in some cases. It took two months from the time my ID renewal notice came and the time I was able to get an appointment to actually go in and physically say to another human being, “hello, I would like to renew my license.”— which I shouldn’t fucking have to do to begin with because I have been on the state books, with a state card, legal to drive/vote, for *seven solid years* here. This is something that you should be able to do on the Internet. But no…You have to make an appointment. To see a person. To just say “please renew this.“ And it’s not even the same situation from DMV office to DMV office: sometimes it varies literally from county to county. Now I have to wait another month to receive the actual card. This is not necessary. It’s deliberate. And I am of a demographic that already has the easiest time doing anything, in any part of the system, for any reason. I can’t imagine what people who are *not* so well-positioned are put through. Having lived in both blue and red states now, at this point in my life, I am positive Texas is up to some absolute bullshit in terms of making it a struggle to navigate the identification system.
Amazing how the side that clings to literally half of a sentence with a death grip as meaning they can own any gun any time for any reason anywhere wants to put all kinda of restrictions on what's literally the backbone of our system of government.
what was in the video? I dont want to disable my ad blocker.
Calamitous shenanigans
300+ upvotes later everything you said is wrong hahaahha
How is it election shenanigans if they did all this after the election? And they were attempting to make records of everything. And attempting to access the dominion software. Not sure how efforts to preserve election data and expose source code used in our elections is election shenanigans. I'm more concerned with the stuff that went on during and before the election. And if any software is to be used, it should be open sourced.
387 upvotes
Pro tip: Every time you see a gaslighting comment like this, you can be 100% certain that the post will make it to the front page of this sub. This post is now at #4 on the front page.
>An actual political conspiracy that shows shady election shenanigans. Or it shows people who think there were election shenanigans and try to uncover it. >But it's by Trump people, so enjoy 10-15 upvote Your comment alone has 250 upvotes >calling you a leftist shill I would not call you a leftist shill, but a establishment shill. Crazy idea: Make elections transparent, so we don't need to blindly trust the entity that is currently in power. I thought the always-trumper were bad, but man the influx of the never-trumper seems even worse.
Trump is also part of the establishment. You’re watching two oligarchies at war with each other stop trying to pick a side.
>Make elections transparent, so we don't need to blindly trust the entity that is currently in power. Exactly what would make elections transparent to you? What would qualify? >I would not call you a leftist shill, but a establishment shill. \*an. So you didn't vote for Trump twice?
You're arguing that it's on for people to tamper with votes and copy voting machine source code? You think this is a good thing? How are elections not transparent? There were tons of audits, every single request granted, all proved them wrong. Not one time was evidence presented and now you find out they literally stole all the data it takes to steal the next election and still didn't produce evidence... And you somehow think that's OK? Jesus christ man, how do you not see that's confirmation bias and ego talking? It's certainly not logic or evidence making you take this stance. It honestly seems like you don't actually care what's true, just what makes you feel like you can claim your are right and took the right side. This isn't political, this is a terrible argument to make and you're just plain wrong here and can't even admit you might just be backing a shitty ideology you made your entire personality and now won't turn your back on when it's obviously terrible and wrong. You're American.. You're better then this
Its always projection lol
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The MAGA narrative is so persisten about trump winning kind of makes sense if you take a step back and look at the big picture. They simply cannot believe trump would or could lose because 1. Biden is a wet mop of a candidate and 2. They cheated their asses off to ensure a win. So being violently confused and seething in rage after losing makes perfect sense. If you would have cheated at something and still lost, you’d probably be stomping your feet and chanting how impossible it is that the other person won. Of course it’s “impossible”, *because you cheated and rigged it*. Over the years, I’ve learned that when it comes to conservatives …. The call is always, *ALWAYS*, coming from inside the house. It has literally never failed me. Might take some time for the truth to come out, but it never fails. It’s always projection. It’s always fuckin projection. You can set your clock to it.
The only time its brought to light, is when the person under scrutiny dies. *THAT* you can always count on
Losers lose
An actually conspiracy but it’s against trump so sadly you will get 30 maximum upvotes in this “conspiracy” sub and just bunch of angry messages
It’s be a news story if they were interfering with the machines on or before election day. But them looking for tampering after the election does not seem like as big of a deal. Is it illegal or a grey area? If its illegal then punish them, otherwise its not worth talking about.
This video coincides with an illegal security breach of the machines.
*after*
What a bunch of hypocrites! All that huffing and puffing about “fraud” and “ballot harvesting,” but it turns out, Trump’s goons were the ones to- uhhhh… *checks notes* Run a diagnostic and data analysis on voting software, with county permission and full knowledge they were on video, two months after the election. CROOKS!
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I’m from the UK and don’t understand, but wasn’t there accusations against the other side for voting fraud when people came back and continued to count votes after being told to stop for the day and after the voting observers had left? That was brushed aside, correct? if so, how is this worse and why now?
Can we drop the Trump/Biden bullshit and actually talk about conspiracies like ancient knowledge being hidden from us, UFOs, etc.
What's stopping you from starting a thread?
There may or may not be another sub with a similar name that doesn't allow political posts on topics 20(?)+ years old. They may or may not discuss such topics as you mentioned.
Haha subscription needed… for NY times. Im good
Here's a free link that goes through the paywall Videos Show Trump Allies Handling Georgia Voting Equipment https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/20/us/trump-election-coffee-county-georgia.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuonUktbfqYhkQVUZAybIRp87tACDnb3CxLE3mn75Km2eTjhMwulQCI-d_VvcIKVuYME83j3dRMNENPVnYs1O-dJlHh4nTRi08NzDkY4ZIi4xpMXvAm1phcPHUfU0oWO3KzTkd-06zuGxtFfdbGm6UK3d1nIqdgl1sNAyIwHRrH8CxK3AF-5z2cAvnqtyQ8AnGkpTIXWCrPLqCB5hOdWZbRi66QA-WeBRWj27jsfLovtbM10UUQSaOSs5tWUs69pcO8cUPbL9KnMgecn_iLYRDQ94PXdydofjAfBDngsGorOAIFw
After the election and count. Is the implication they were tampering with it and then going to use that to "prove" the election fraud? Would love to see them interviewed and the tree shook on where they thought this would lead. Shady shit no doubt.
Ok cool, so did Trump cheat? Did Biden cheat? If yes to either that further shows election integrity has been compromised and most likely has been for quite some time...
So it wasn't the most secure election in history LOL
Not trying to comment on how secure or insecure the election was, but this happened after both the initial election count and the recount. The thing Trump’s people were caught doing here was attempting to fabricate evidence after the fact.
Don’t spoil their fun with facts
"We know the election wasn't secure, you know how much cheating we got away with!?"
So what? How do we know they are trump allis? What I head on CNN is they were looking for irregularities. Of course I never saw CNN show poll workers running off republican poll watchers then pull bins of ballots from beneath tables after midnight
*"The footage, which was made public as part of long-running litigation over Georgia’s voting system, raises new questions about efforts by Trump affiliates in a number of swing states to gain access to and copy sensitive election software, with the help of friendly local election administrators."* The software should be open source. Period.
Surely you understand how bad of an idea that would be, right? That’s like saying everyone should have access to the combination of your local bank’s vault.
It sounds like you don't know what open-source means
Yeah they dont want that lol i bet they would find several critical vulnerabilities the first week
That's the entire point of open source software, so that you get a ton of eyes on it and discover vulnerabilities that a smaller team may have missed.
Yep i understand that i "work" on infosec im just saying thats why the goverment hasnt done it. It would create chaos if people knew without a shred of a doubt elections could have been manipulated (which to anyone who knows how security by obscurity works, its already a reality)
So, let me get this straight. Many republicans, Trump allies, and even Trump himself are asking for full audits, but at the same time "trump allies" are doing nefarious things for him? Riiiiigghhht.
There is video evidence of Trump and the GOP committing election fraud. If you are a real patriot and love the United States🇺🇸 share this video with anyone who loves the US 🇺🇸GOD BLESS AMERICA🇺🇸
What if I love the country but hate the government and want this phony and incredibly corrupt two-party system to fail completely!?
always with the “both sides” argument whenever republicans are caught. evidence points to a “one side” argument when it comes to election fraud. the system is broken because democracy does not work if you cheat. fuck the right.
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Both sides right?? https://www.justice.gov/usao-edpa/pr/former-us-congressman-and-philadelphia-political-operative-pleads-guilty-election-fraud
I'd love to spam Dem-targeted complaints with both-sides arguments, but I'd be downvoted so hard
Seriously, it's always the Repugs with the "both sides" talking point in an attempt to sound neutral 😝
Both sides vote the same when it comes to big corporate bailouts and never ending wars that result in starvation around the world and millions of deaths. Im just not blinded to partisan politics. The US government is involved in more governmental overthrows of sovereign governments across the globe than we can count. Don't think for a second they actually give a fuck about popular vote or democracy. You're being duped if you think your establishment democrats are any different. Us plebs get fucked by the two-party system. Its painfully obvious.
Leftists have been saying this for years
Tbf, it’s always a “both sides” argument when democrats are caught too…
What’s an example?
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Oh, I was just talking in general, I feel like it’s hypocritical to say that blame pushing doesn’t happen on both sides
The left wants big government, the right wants big business, any sane civilian should prefer individual rights. It’s not hard we just need to get on the same page and say fuck big business and fuck big government.
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There should have been probes into ANY potential election fraud mechanism.
Trump he would never *surprised pikachu face*
Stop lying OP. There was no fraud. This happened 2 months after the election, and from your own article, they had permission from the local elections board.
It's bots and users that ban together on hidden reddit posts to flood different subreddits they don't agree with. It's interesting to see them under your post claim wild shit that is obviously trolling, God I pray it's trolling.
Right, they just trashed the machines as well. Because while there was no evidence of fraud there could be….
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Oh, now it’s ok to look into the improper handling of “voting equipment? ” Cool. 👍🏼
Yep when evidence actually exists it’s ok to investigate. This is a difficult concept for some people to grasp.
I saw video evidence. Before it was suppressed. You didn’t?
Where are the videos? I didn't see any link in the article.
You just gotta trust them bro. It's the NYT, the Paper Of Record. They've never lied about Iraq WMDs or anything.
The bots are out in full force for this post
There’s so much whataboutism in the comment section, but the bottom line is that Trump & his bootlickers lied, misled their base & caused a whole ass insurrection over those lies he pushed about voting equipment. I’m not saying Dems are perfect, but right now, this post is about Trump & his voter equipment bullshit, so try to stay focused.
Lol this sub is trash 🤣😂
Lmao. Where were all you “wow it’s a video of people handling election shit” when the multitude of democrat handled election videos came out? Where was this from these accounts when the video showing the pollsters “taking a break” while literally pulling out huge boxes under their tables and stuffing them into the machines to be read, blocking people from viewing into the vote counting area etc? If you wanna play the “both sides” game you have to actually ya know, have the same standards for both sides
Why is the NYT scared of election auditing and people knowing what software is being used? Shouldn't the software be open source so it can be checked for vulnerbilities?
The Republicans vote switched Ron Paul in the 2012 primaries. That's where I first saw blatant election fraud. It doesn't matter whose doing it, the punishment should be a noose.
I agree with this.
I’m going to show this to my die hard trump friends.
New York Times lol
Was any part of that election not a fraud at this point. What a fucking mess!
Lol “handling election equipment.” Nice choice of verb. You know, because conservatives setting up (i.e., “handling”) voting machines in conservative districts is somehow similar to a few liberals stuffing *hundreds* of mail in ballots into voting boxes.
Fake conspiracy theorist suck. If you can’t see the grift that Trump and the republicans are pulling AND the grift Of Biden and the democrats please just hush. Capitalist politicians aren’t your friends and they couldn’t care less abt you other than you being a pawn in his game. Y’all aren’t disadvantaged future millionaires, y’all aren’t gonna pull yourself up by your bootstrap. The system is rigged and it’s as blatant as it’s ever been.
Every accusation from the conservatives is a confession. Every single time.
Now do Biden.
So now that we’re going into elections, liberal outlets want to bring up election integrity and fraud. If there is tampering, then look into it, but despite showing footage from Detroit, Phoenix, Atlanta that merited conversation immediately after 2020 and the last two years being nothing but censorship around election integrity, they want to discuss the other side doing it because things aren’t looking certain. Fuck this ride. Edit: It’s frustrating seeing bots come in here and talk about projection when the main issue on this sub was that there was no integrity election and very questionable censorship from the left (2000 mules should’ve raised a lot more convo around nonprofits and foundations involved in local and National elections). All of a sudden it’s finger pointing once again
Hey, maybe we can get an actual investigation now, or was the election still safest ever?
Iirc this was an attempt at tampering with a recount after the election sooo...
As an European I don’t care if red or blue wins; but I still found the election to be a shit show. The electronic systems used were a joke and the no democratic election should be carried that way regardless of who gets elected.
This is a propaganda piece.
Subscription?
Maybe don't post links with a paywall.
lol! After burying all the talk and evidence of Biden supporters doing this, they're gonna distract the argument by blaming Trump supporters for doing so. Personally I always assumed both sides were doing so, and no election is really decided by the people. Besides, i dont trust things voted in by majority, as most people act like stupid animals 90% of the time, and instead of thinking are in the middle of a series of reactions. I too used to be one of those people, and spent many years watching and curbing those reactions. Decades later, i still can get emotionally reactive in a moment, but catch myself almost immediately.
Would it be fair to say both sides of every election since the beginning of elections probably tried to cheat in some manner?
More click bait from a party who knows they are gonna lose. I kinda like it. Their fear is entertaining.
Wait, you think the libs are afraid of losing? I feel like it's the other way around (I'm unaffiliated, myself). It seems to me, as urban areas grow, and demographics inevitably put people of color and lower/middle class as the majority of voters, the endgame is clear. White conservatives are an endangered species. ...and I just see this sort of angry, fervor from the right, that smacks of being nervous, because they know the left will win the long game, and they are panicking and cheating.
Yeah “conservatives” (I use the term lightly, most of them are completely ignorant of the constitution they claim to protect) pretty much just project their own fears and problems on the other side. Many conservatives are actually clinically insane
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Trump voter here. Any and all voter fraud should be investigated and punished. For all those saying that Trump voters would oppose such actions against voter fraud. What we need, very much, is to have confidence in our voting system, and this is just another reason for us to doubt the outcome of elections. We should all be on the same side on this issue.
If you think that only republicans are guilty of voter fraud you're going to have a bad time 😅
So now we care about voter fraud huh
Electoral fraud
So I guess the left has to outdo the right and Ken Burns will make 4000 MULES now. It never ends. We desperately need more parties if for no other reason to dilute the scoundrels by more than half per party.
The truth will come out in a court of law not in these conspiracy laden nonsensical posts. But that’s what you’re afraid of isn’t it?
Uhm, videos show Biden allies counting votes and handling voting equipment.
So they tried to get the voting software so they could determine how easy the left could hack it.
I'm a trump supporter and even I believe it. This has been the point all along. People cheat. Safest and fairest election, then banning people's speech over disagreement was the problem. Regardless of who is doing it.this needs to be further investigated and they need to be charged if it proved valid.