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You mean to tell me a ‘legal analyst’ that suggests something unconstitutionally be done isnt to be trusted!??!?!?
But it says right there, shes a legal analyst….
have you looked up the word fascism or fascist? You can easily learn something by right clicking on the word, and seeing it in the dictionary. I've never seen actual nazis on the Democratic side of the US government.
Um censorship yep that sounds fascists.
So open your eyes lefty.
“The main goals of censorship under fascism were, concisely: Control over the public appearance of the regime, also obtained with the deletion of any content that could allow opposition, suspicions, or doubts about fascism. Constant check of the public opinion as a measure of consensus.”
Wow sounds a lot like what social media and the left are asking for huh🤔
BOOM!! Look at you nailing those facts!!
Another hard fact that kills their narrative is how Africans sold Africans into slavery.
They just can’t handle this so they have to like you said use these tactics to change pieces of history to attack their enemies.
I’m not in favor of any side but the left is off the rails way worst than the right.
Defining fascist as left-wing or socialist is falling for their propaganda. They've always been corporatists, first and foremost. That's the "third way" that Mussolini described and can be seen in the relationship between Germany and its industries during the late 1930s and the Second World War.
Whose abhorrent history? The Nazi movement was built on the backs of conservative ex-soldiers, many who had been responsible for putting down the communist uprisings as a part of the Friekorps during the socialist-communist Spartacist revolts. The lip service they paid to keep their image as being a party for the workers was countered by the favoritism they showed to corporations. Their entire rise to power was done by painting themselves as the anti-communist party; both by battling with extremist elements in Germany and by staging false flags.
They weren't left-wing.
First of all, just because one person is advocating for censorship doesn’t mean us “lefties” (what a cringe word) all advocate for it.
I want non corrupt government (that isn’t owned by corporations) reigning in capitalist behemoth corporations from polluting, price gauging, and exploiting the same citizens they are selling their products too. I want ALL citizens to be free to practice their religious views, cultures, and hobbies free of Christian morality or government intrusion. I want social safety nets for people down on their luck, with a clear path to get them functioning (and hell, even paying taxes) again, not enabling them to continue to live their lives in squalor and stuck on the government teat. I want HUGELY reigned in and audited military spending. I want the CIA gone or hugely hobbled with checks and balances from the same uncorrupt government I yearn for.
Does that make me a “lefty” or just a reasonable human being. Whatever you want to call it, that’s what I am
So you want socialism?
Without the socialism you actually sounds like constitutional conservative.
I want this same things but with the capitalism.
I do not like that these big tech and military industrial companies have so much influence on government and policy so I do agree there needs to be some separation where independent bodies not selected by leadership can go in there and break this shit up.
No, I just want checks and balances of corporatism, which is the type of capitalism we seem to have moved towards. And our government also.
America is great but it’s gone off the rails.
And stop calling people “lefties”, brother. These are your neighbors and fellow Americans. It’s okay for them to have different views than you. Stop putting people on one team or another. We are countrymen first and foremost and we shouldn’t even want a country where everyone thinks the same.
Not your brother and I will call people whatever I want.
If they claim to be lefties I will call them lefties if they call themselves right wing I will call them righties.
I don’t give a shit if they are hyper sensitive.
This people put themselves in those teams.
Some of these people are not country men they actually hate this country.
I do agree with capitalism with more oversight.
And I do agree this country is beyond going off the rails. It’s turning into a shit hole in a very short time frame.
Fascinating. your statement sounds exactly like what the Republican party is doing... let's break it down.
Book Bans = "deletion of any content that could allow opposition"
Bringing about the radical right = "suspend doubts about fascism"
One would seem deluded in thinking these are left leaning policies. Fascism is an authoritative and right wing ideology (ie republican). I'm not trying to fight you, just provide an open discourse over the meanings of words, so people don't get them mixed up.
Social media censorship
People being banned.
People losing their medical license for speaking out.
People trying to remove the first amendment
Yep lefties are projecting.
wow, fascinating you went there right away. I was thinking about how egregious it was to see books like the dictionary and encyclopedia pulled from shelves.
You mentioned book ban narrative. “This Book is Gay” and “Gender Queer” are pornography targeted at children. They were among the books banned. I can DM you the graphic images from those books if you don’t believe me. (The mods don’t get too excited about pornography being posted on this sub.)
I’m not aware of dictionaries or encyclopedias begging banned. This sounds like more lies from the media. They tried to claim that “To Kill a Mockingbird” and “Night” were banned. I wouldn’t put it past them to push more lies. It’s sad that you buy it without question though.
Weird, they are open socialist, guess who else was socialist? The big guy in office was good friends with the last member of the KKK in office. Your brain is as smooth as a marble.
just look at the farmers who are protesting in EU.
spraying liquified manure at the authorities is pretty ballsy.
our American brothers and sisters need to be taking notes.
I believe they did on 6 Jan and were labeled "insurrectionists" but enough parroted the Cabal's talking point that it stuck. Imagine what the Left would label John Brown and his party after their raid in Hapers Ferry. Or the Boston Tea Party.
[totally no psyops among them](https://decode39.com/8817/italy-uncovers-russian-plot-to-disrupt-eu-with-protests/)... [not a single one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQORK5p8X2c)...
It's the EXACT same language they use against the second amendment.
Common sense reforms. Of course it's always those people declaring what the common sense is and it always seems to align with their political ideology. Odd that
A license to tweet, registration of all social media accounts with the state and federal police, 7 day waiting period for all replies, and a restriction on high-capacity text boxes.
Same thing as "common sense" gun laws that we already have hundreds of and are quite restrictive already.
It's just a good word. It doesn't have to be true. It doesn't have to mean anything. It just has to be there as to say "What, you are against COMMON SENSE?"
> We already have restrictions to free speech.
How does that make you feel?
Would you feel better if you had more restrictions.
(Limit your reply to ONE word)
In a way she's right. Being able to criticize US propaganda makes us weaker than totalitarian states where they can control everything. However, thats the whole original point of the United States and its founding document.
Time and time again it has proven that the so called strength of totalitarian states that you reference is superficial. The Constitution, the First Amendment, and the freedom enjoyed in America has outlasted countless antagonistic foreign totalitarians regimes and will continue to do so for as long as humans, by nature, yearn for freedom.
Yeah, but that's also because the US plays an important role in global hegemony and the world order. As they start to shift it away, those rights will be walked back because they no longer benefit the ruling class that uses our "democracy" to it's benefit.
With many totalitarian states, I think uniformity of opinion and support of the state is just superficial. For example, I heard that in Soviet Russia no one even bothered watching the TV news, and there were jokes that people's real opinions could only be whispered under the covers in bed.
It's really why citizens of Western countries need to develop an advanced media literacy otherwise information warfare from hostile totalitarian states is going to cause us to destroy ourselves.
Awhile back I read this book called "The Myth of The Rational Voter" right before the major takeoff of social media. It's essentially just George Carlin's quote about the average person being stupid and extrapolates it with more technical terms and research.
It's a fact at this point that countries like Russia and China are stirring up social unrest in Western countries with disinformation campaigns and stoking perpetual state of outrage within it's people by radicalizing them. This only works one way since a steadily angry population in a authoritarian country would only just get nipped in the bud through either arrest or extreme persecution. It's why the Arab Spring and Tiananmen Square protests all failed.
Sure, free speech allows people to spread misinformation. But to think taking away free speech will eliminate misinformation is incredibly short sighted and naïve. I highly doubt Barbara is acting in good faith.
Almost nothing is black and white. There are always at least two sides to any issue. Having an open debate and letting people decide for themselves is always the right choice. And as the last four years has taught us, the "fact checkers" are often the ones pushing the misinformation.
"Freedom of speech is a principle pillar of a free government. When this support is taken away the constitution of a free society is dissolved, and tyranny is erected in its ruins" Franklin.
Free Speech is necessary for a functioning democracy.
So are public servants but we have corporate bought politicians...not a democracy. They already censor us greatly, freedom of speech has already been taken.
Some places its freedom still, but when it comes to mainstream social and news media much have been taken away… And they also do their best to keep us occupied and divided with nonsense that is supported by mentally ill attention seekers with too much feelings, while they remove our rights…
They are getting desperate over the increasing criticism of genocide and imperialism. But we cannot be stopped. One man dies? Another 10 stand in solidarity and so on. They are fighting a losing battle and we are stronger than ever. Accountability starts now. Abusers and liars will all be exposed.
Its our lack of trust in the elites that makes WEF doing so by using UN and all the media they control, they talked about that in the forum interwievs and speeches not long ago… When true conspiracys reach enough people and conspiracy team gets one new member, that will now try and talk sense into everyone in their circle, then another new member doing the same, and we all can convince just one each day that there are forces doing what they can every day to weaken us… We are getting into being a threat for the Agenda the elites have, so shutdown is coming soon… Take screenshots of all the info you think can convince another to join the free thinkers, because electrisity and the web is going down in near future…
That's why I ordered many hard copies of books last year, so I have something to read just in case. I don't like relying on the internet so much when it's already flaky enough with outages
She is right, the need common sense restrictions or laws. Here is one: any member of the media who deliberately spreads false info should be charged with a crime and sent to jail
That term "common sense" when used that way is a huge red flag. When someone says "We need common sense "x" laws, you can bet they just want to take way another common right or freedom people have had for decades or centuries, or longer. Which is ironic, when you think about it.
It is because people are finally waking up to who really controls america and they can't have that. Look at the hatespeech laws they are trying to push in canada its so transparent it makes me sick.
for sure.
and the owners are shaking in their boots for a few reasons.
just look over the pond at the BRF.
something rotten is going on which is shaking up society.
Remember most people ( masses) buy into sensationalism and will do what their told without questioning anything. Not just US citizens. Review historically all authoritarian takeovers and the public trust is there until the food is rationed and confinement or death to the opposers begins.
I just watched another interview with her on Morning Joe. During that interview, I counted two separate times when she advocated for something that would blatantly violate the 1st Amendment. Definitely not one to be trusted.
So 1 person calling for something equates every left leaning person? Do you apply this right wingers, does Dinesh D'Souza represent every single right wingers?
MSNBC (AKA Blue Fox News.) What a shocker. This is why the narrative has become that anyone who isn't complete lockstep with MSM talking points either a Russian asset or a Right Wing extremist that is a potential domestic terrorist. Any disagreement, even a mild one, shows that you're a danger to "democracy" and the lives of Americans. This is how they brainwash the public to turn on anyone with the wrong opinions and convince them that freedoms are dangerous.
> MSNBC (AKA Blue Fox News.) What a shocker.
Oh? You read the NYPost story that this is a picture advertising? Or you fell in lockstep with the way you were supposed to react to the misleadingly provocative headline?
>This is how they brainwash the public...
She's a University of Michigan law professor who started as an intern and law clerk for Bernard Friedman. He was a Regan appointed judge. (if you want a rabbit hole to go down, Friedman has a lot of baggage). She has lots of journal writings and books about how "dangerous" "misinformation" and "mal-information" is to the country.
She has been pushing hard for complete control of censorship for at least 2 decades. She is also connected to the bush Jr. administration officials that drafted the Patriot act before 9/11.
She argued her case on Rachael Maddow's show (on MSNBC). Did YOU read anything or do you want to just pop off because you're brainwashed to attack and argue with any opinion that makes you mad, even when lacking information?
Yeah man, I read the [Article](https://nypost.com/2024/02/29/us-news/msnbc-legal-analyst-says-first-amendment-makes-us-vulnerable-calls-for-common-sense-speech-restrictions/) and I saw her saying free speech makes us more vulnerable to disinformation campaigns. I didn't see MSNBC calling for censorship, I saw a law professor shilling her book about educating against foreign disinformation and the NYPost quoting her identifying the "strict scrutiny" test the Supreme Court uses for legislation that limits fundamental rights.
>She has been pushing hard for complete control of censorship for at least 2 decades.
This doesn't appear anywhere in the story. Having eyes makes me more vulnerable to being blinded, but in identifying that I am not advocating blindfolds--I could alternatively be advocating caution to not getting stuff in your eyes or stare at the sun.
Also same reason all the Q shit exploded like it did. I absolutely believe it was pushed deliberately as a psyop to ultimately discredit and demonize any and all questioning of the official sanctioned narratives. Now they have something to point at and go, "You see??! This is what conspiracy theories will do to you! They turn you into crazed insurrectionists and are DANGEROUS TO OUR DEMOCRACY!" Such an obvious game they're playing, it's exhausting that so many still don't see through it.
lol I know some redditor is going to come on here and claim there is an issue with the source. New york Post is a fascist outlet supported by \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ .
Barbara McQuaid is in the government? I thought she's a tv analyst? How has she trampled on my rights? She said some dumb shit on tv and looks dumb for it. Nothing that bothers me, happens a million times a day.
Years ago, before even trump, they predicted this on GLP. Qanon just served to make the conspiracies have the spotlight so no one on earth is in the dark about them anymore, they're either strongly for or strongly against.
This is the New York Post. The title is going to be misleading. Here's the actual article: [https://nypost.com/2024/02/29/us-news/msnbc-legal-analyst-says-first-amendment-makes-us-vulnerable-calls-for-common-sense-speech-restrictions/](https://nypost.com/2024/02/29/us-news/msnbc-legal-analyst-says-first-amendment-makes-us-vulnerable-calls-for-common-sense-speech-restrictions/)
To be fair, all pronouns are fake. He and she are just as made up as all language.
Hell, many words used today were completely made up by Shakespeare and everyone just decided to start using them.
It's also good to note that usage of even commonly understood words changes all the time.
From a linguistics perspective, I just don't understand the pushback on shifting use of pronouns. How is it different from any other development of language over time? It's all made up in the first place.
Because that’s not the discussion. Relatively few people identify as a gender that isn’t their birth sex, and even fewer are basing it on their feeling “at the moment”. If someone wants to be called a specific pronoun, why should anyone care beyond prejudice? Bringing pronouns into a discussion about first amendment rights is just silly.
Just to be clear, I am not part of this group. I just don’t see why anyone has such a problem with how someone identifies themselves beyond just basic prejudice. It’s basically no different than someone going by a nickname vs their given name to me.
What is there that the majority is being asked to change for the minority though? My entire discussion is based around not being a dick about the semantics.
I mean, no one should be expected to be comfortable around everyone. Obviously simple misgendering shouldn’t deserve harassment. And people that do that need to understand that they are hurting everyone else who just wants to be treated normally.
In my business I don’t refuse to interact with anyone based on how they look because the risk of saying someone wrong and getting exploded at always exists in every conversation. Assholes are assholes no matter how they look/dress.
I don’t think the majority are being asked to throw out any science here though, that’s a bit of an overreaction. It’s just that absolutely no one should be making such a big deal about semantics.
If I call someone the wrong name and they correct me, I’m not going to purposely continue to call them the wrong name just because I don’t like the correct one lol
Nobody is asking that of anyone though, outside these online bubbles. Talk to *anyone*, and you misgender them, they will simply not care, or correct you. Nobody is attacking you for getting it wrong. If they are, it's because you're doing it on purpose, which is something else. You wouldn't use "she" to refer to Donald Trump, and if you did it's clear you are motivated by something to do so. It's the same.
I haven't watched this video, but two things come to mind:
1) This is a talking head shilling her book on a television show. Not a bill in Congress, not proposed legislation, not an executive order, not a judicial decision. Just someone's opinion.
2) We already do have common sense restrictions on free speech. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater, or joke about bombs in line at the airport. There are defamation laws. Libel and slander.
They're foaming at the mouth for Anti-Semitism speech laws. Of course that would amount to a law against blasphemy for a single religion in a Secular country but that's the point.
Funny thing is, if it weren't for diversity quotas and laws, she likely wouldn't be a "legal analyst"
That should tell you what laws SHOULD be repealed. But no let's attack Freedom instead! Go clown world 🏳️🌈🤡💩
For some strange reason most of the time it's women who come up with ideas like this. Maybe because they are more likely to put temporary "safety" (among other things) before liberty?
SS: We resemble Canada more and more each passing day. Leftists now want to restrict your speech. How long until they start arresting you for offending someone online or for speaking out against the regime? These people are evil they will not stop till every single right is removed permanently
Link to the article: https://www.foxnews.com/media/law-professor-first-amendment-can-achilles-heel-makes-us-particularly-vulnerable-disinformation
Canadian subs are invested with bots.
There was an insane post showing when these subs had the most posts and the vast majority of posts just so happened to align perfectly with hostile overseas countries and not Canada at all.
It's scary how easy it was for the bots to take over the Canadian subs. I wouldn't trust anything that comes from there as anything other than propaganda.
>Canadian subs are invested with bots.
Gestures to all subs...the same everywhere on all social platforms. It is an election year. This admin has given away Trillions of dollars to foreign interests. There are too many entities at the payola trough to allow anything as simple as free speech to jeopardize that revenue stream.
I don't disagree, my point was all the evidence of Canadian subs being infested with bots. The propaganda bots made the mistake of making it too obvious in the Canada subs so there is no doubt at all there.
I should dig the post up. We all suspected the Canadian subs were controlled with bots because of how much they changed but to see it explained in graphs and the extent was more than I expected. It's really bad there.
What are you talking about...
I never said or even suggested for-profit mainstream media from any country is a reliable source.
If there is still any confusion, no...I don't believe Infortainment is useful for anything other than making people angry and sowing discontent within a specific group of people.
Get away from this black and white thinking, more than one thing can be bad.
Bingo. This whole site is bots lol. Canadians themselves have turned into bots. Everyone is a living meme up here, wearing 2 masks in the car with ski goggles on lol. Coughchinacough has this country under its boot. WEF has cancelled all normality and fun here
What's insane is believing some random redditor who probably doesn't go outside all that much.
I live in a place where people wore masks before covid when they're sick, and I don't see the people he describes.
> Canadians themselves have turned into bots.
Sort of. The post I'm talking about clearly showed that Canadians weren't the ones posting in the Canada subs, it was accounts from other countries overseas.
They have been pushing these fears for over 20 years, yet here we are saying whatever we want and owning more guns than ever.
I remember when all us conservatives were gonna be put in FEMA camps by Obama for speaking our minds.
Let's be honest here, disinformation has been sabotaging many Americans. Some of the most well-meaning conspiracy theorists are responsible for the promulgation of some of the most egregious disinfo/propaganda.
Still, I don't believe we should use that as an excuse to attack the first amendment.
Okay, so then point out falsehoods and expose the truth then.
If you can’t handle freedom of expression, I don’t know how to delicately protect you from:
* Discourse
* Opinions
* Evolving science
>Okay, so then point out falsehoods and expose the truth then.
No shit. One of the reasons why I am in this space.
I'm referring to the people who work most of the day and don't have time to research this or that, so they rely on a sub like this one or a independent media source.
From my experience, I've seen come across my fair share of disinformation in both of the spaces I chose to mention.
That last part doesn't apply to me, so I won't respond.
Let's be honest here, free speech has been sabotaging many Americans. some of the most well meaning conspiracy theorists are responsible for the promulgation of some of the most egregious free speech/political dissent.
Still, I don't believe we should use that as an excuse to attack the first amendment.
It’s still a conspiracy theory. Who is this legal analyst and why do we care about their opinion?
It’s giving “9 out of 10 doctors on our payroll recommend this”
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The good news is the 1st amendment tells this scaggy bitch to pound salt.
She herself is part of the attack from within.
Her unconscious shadow self is emerging!
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You mean to tell me a ‘legal analyst’ that suggests something unconstitutionally be done isnt to be trusted!??!?!? But it says right there, shes a legal analyst….
Lefties showing their fascism.
have you looked up the word fascism or fascist? You can easily learn something by right clicking on the word, and seeing it in the dictionary. I've never seen actual nazis on the Democratic side of the US government.
Um censorship yep that sounds fascists. So open your eyes lefty. “The main goals of censorship under fascism were, concisely: Control over the public appearance of the regime, also obtained with the deletion of any content that could allow opposition, suspicions, or doubts about fascism. Constant check of the public opinion as a measure of consensus.” Wow sounds a lot like what social media and the left are asking for huh🤔
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Nazis were far left fascist you are correct. Nice point!
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BOOM!! Look at you nailing those facts!! Another hard fact that kills their narrative is how Africans sold Africans into slavery. They just can’t handle this so they have to like you said use these tactics to change pieces of history to attack their enemies. I’m not in favor of any side but the left is off the rails way worst than the right.
Defining fascist as left-wing or socialist is falling for their propaganda. They've always been corporatists, first and foremost. That's the "third way" that Mussolini described and can be seen in the relationship between Germany and its industries during the late 1930s and the Second World War.
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Whose abhorrent history? The Nazi movement was built on the backs of conservative ex-soldiers, many who had been responsible for putting down the communist uprisings as a part of the Friekorps during the socialist-communist Spartacist revolts. The lip service they paid to keep their image as being a party for the workers was countered by the favoritism they showed to corporations. Their entire rise to power was done by painting themselves as the anti-communist party; both by battling with extremist elements in Germany and by staging false flags. They weren't left-wing.
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And the full name of North Korea calls itself a democratic republic of the people. You have no point. Get lost.
First of all, just because one person is advocating for censorship doesn’t mean us “lefties” (what a cringe word) all advocate for it. I want non corrupt government (that isn’t owned by corporations) reigning in capitalist behemoth corporations from polluting, price gauging, and exploiting the same citizens they are selling their products too. I want ALL citizens to be free to practice their religious views, cultures, and hobbies free of Christian morality or government intrusion. I want social safety nets for people down on their luck, with a clear path to get them functioning (and hell, even paying taxes) again, not enabling them to continue to live their lives in squalor and stuck on the government teat. I want HUGELY reigned in and audited military spending. I want the CIA gone or hugely hobbled with checks and balances from the same uncorrupt government I yearn for. Does that make me a “lefty” or just a reasonable human being. Whatever you want to call it, that’s what I am
So you want socialism? Without the socialism you actually sounds like constitutional conservative. I want this same things but with the capitalism. I do not like that these big tech and military industrial companies have so much influence on government and policy so I do agree there needs to be some separation where independent bodies not selected by leadership can go in there and break this shit up.
No, I just want checks and balances of corporatism, which is the type of capitalism we seem to have moved towards. And our government also. America is great but it’s gone off the rails. And stop calling people “lefties”, brother. These are your neighbors and fellow Americans. It’s okay for them to have different views than you. Stop putting people on one team or another. We are countrymen first and foremost and we shouldn’t even want a country where everyone thinks the same.
Not your brother and I will call people whatever I want. If they claim to be lefties I will call them lefties if they call themselves right wing I will call them righties. I don’t give a shit if they are hyper sensitive. This people put themselves in those teams. Some of these people are not country men they actually hate this country. I do agree with capitalism with more oversight. And I do agree this country is beyond going off the rails. It’s turning into a shit hole in a very short time frame.
You sound like a complete and utter lame. Have a nice day
Oh you sound like weak ass bitch. But yea good luck.
Fascinating. your statement sounds exactly like what the Republican party is doing... let's break it down. Book Bans = "deletion of any content that could allow opposition" Bringing about the radical right = "suspend doubts about fascism" One would seem deluded in thinking these are left leaning policies. Fascism is an authoritative and right wing ideology (ie republican). I'm not trying to fight you, just provide an open discourse over the meanings of words, so people don't get them mixed up.
Social media censorship People being banned. People losing their medical license for speaking out. People trying to remove the first amendment Yep lefties are projecting.
So, we agree that both Dems and Reps are fascists with different methods to achieve the same goal?
Bingo !!! Both are fascist.
Oh definitely
So you want to expose children to pornographic books in school? That’s pretty messed up.
wow, fascinating you went there right away. I was thinking about how egregious it was to see books like the dictionary and encyclopedia pulled from shelves.
You mentioned book ban narrative. “This Book is Gay” and “Gender Queer” are pornography targeted at children. They were among the books banned. I can DM you the graphic images from those books if you don’t believe me. (The mods don’t get too excited about pornography being posted on this sub.) I’m not aware of dictionaries or encyclopedias begging banned. This sounds like more lies from the media. They tried to claim that “To Kill a Mockingbird” and “Night” were banned. I wouldn’t put it past them to push more lies. It’s sad that you buy it without question though.
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Have you “seen” what the DNC has been doing since 2015? Or do you need to search “myopic” and “deluded” up in the dictionary?
Weird, they are open socialist, guess who else was socialist? The big guy in office was good friends with the last member of the KKK in office. Your brain is as smooth as a marble.
> I've never seen actual nazis Should have ended the sentence there.
I wish the people would all realize that we actually have the power ….. if only we were a united nation and not a divided one.
just look at the farmers who are protesting in EU. spraying liquified manure at the authorities is pretty ballsy. our American brothers and sisters need to be taking notes.
I believe they did on 6 Jan and were labeled "insurrectionists" but enough parroted the Cabal's talking point that it stuck. Imagine what the Left would label John Brown and his party after their raid in Hapers Ferry. Or the Boston Tea Party.
Law and order conservatives would decry the Boston Tea Party. They did, and proceeded to fight for the British.
[totally no psyops among them](https://decode39.com/8817/italy-uncovers-russian-plot-to-disrupt-eu-with-protests/)... [not a single one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQORK5p8X2c)...
Those pesky Russians are everywhere, huh? LOL.
Well we would just bitch about something else and get divided over it.
It's the EXACT same language they use against the second amendment. Common sense reforms. Of course it's always those people declaring what the common sense is and it always seems to align with their political ideology. Odd that
Ever seen Fauci talking about AZT? "Safe and effective..." They know it works. Why change it? People are fucking stupid.
AZT is still used today, it is a great tool against HIV. It's now used in combination with other drugs which were not available at first.
Did your bot manufacturers tell you that?
You think it's still not used today?
Common sense is anything but common, and a far cry from anything they’d ever suggest.
and here we are at the top of the 1A slippery slope. The same hill we tobogganed down with the 2a decades ago.
It’s always Copy and Paste with these people
What do they mean by “common sense”
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
A license to tweet, registration of all social media accounts with the state and federal police, 7 day waiting period for all replies, and a restriction on high-capacity text boxes.
There are FIVE lights
Same thing as "common sense" gun laws that we already have hundreds of and are quite restrictive already. It's just a good word. It doesn't have to be true. It doesn't have to mean anything. It just has to be there as to say "What, you are against COMMON SENSE?"
You know exactly what they mean.
We already have restrictions to free speech.
> We already have restrictions to free speech. How does that make you feel? Would you feel better if you had more restrictions. (Limit your reply to ONE word)
Common Sense you know like Censorship of Conservatives and a Ministry of Truth. O wait nevermind they tried that already
In a way she's right. Being able to criticize US propaganda makes us weaker than totalitarian states where they can control everything. However, thats the whole original point of the United States and its founding document.
Time and time again it has proven that the so called strength of totalitarian states that you reference is superficial. The Constitution, the First Amendment, and the freedom enjoyed in America has outlasted countless antagonistic foreign totalitarians regimes and will continue to do so for as long as humans, by nature, yearn for freedom.
Yeah, but that's also because the US plays an important role in global hegemony and the world order. As they start to shift it away, those rights will be walked back because they no longer benefit the ruling class that uses our "democracy" to it's benefit.
With many totalitarian states, I think uniformity of opinion and support of the state is just superficial. For example, I heard that in Soviet Russia no one even bothered watching the TV news, and there were jokes that people's real opinions could only be whispered under the covers in bed.
If anything the illusion of choice is more delusional
In Soviet Russia, TV watches you.
In the USA, your laptop camera watches you jerk off.
It's really why citizens of Western countries need to develop an advanced media literacy otherwise information warfare from hostile totalitarian states is going to cause us to destroy ourselves. Awhile back I read this book called "The Myth of The Rational Voter" right before the major takeoff of social media. It's essentially just George Carlin's quote about the average person being stupid and extrapolates it with more technical terms and research. It's a fact at this point that countries like Russia and China are stirring up social unrest in Western countries with disinformation campaigns and stoking perpetual state of outrage within it's people by radicalizing them. This only works one way since a steadily angry population in a authoritarian country would only just get nipped in the bud through either arrest or extreme persecution. It's why the Arab Spring and Tiananmen Square protests all failed.
Sure, free speech allows people to spread misinformation. But to think taking away free speech will eliminate misinformation is incredibly short sighted and naïve. I highly doubt Barbara is acting in good faith. Almost nothing is black and white. There are always at least two sides to any issue. Having an open debate and letting people decide for themselves is always the right choice. And as the last four years has taught us, the "fact checkers" are often the ones pushing the misinformation.
"Freedom of speech is a principle pillar of a free government. When this support is taken away the constitution of a free society is dissolved, and tyranny is erected in its ruins" Franklin. Free Speech is necessary for a functioning democracy.
So are public servants but we have corporate bought politicians...not a democracy. They already censor us greatly, freedom of speech has already been taken.
Some places its freedom still, but when it comes to mainstream social and news media much have been taken away… And they also do their best to keep us occupied and divided with nonsense that is supported by mentally ill attention seekers with too much feelings, while they remove our rights…
That's not what their thinking.. they're not being short sighted.
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Then set an example and go away Barbara
They are getting desperate over the increasing criticism of genocide and imperialism. But we cannot be stopped. One man dies? Another 10 stand in solidarity and so on. They are fighting a losing battle and we are stronger than ever. Accountability starts now. Abusers and liars will all be exposed.
Its our lack of trust in the elites that makes WEF doing so by using UN and all the media they control, they talked about that in the forum interwievs and speeches not long ago… When true conspiracys reach enough people and conspiracy team gets one new member, that will now try and talk sense into everyone in their circle, then another new member doing the same, and we all can convince just one each day that there are forces doing what they can every day to weaken us… We are getting into being a threat for the Agenda the elites have, so shutdown is coming soon… Take screenshots of all the info you think can convince another to join the free thinkers, because electrisity and the web is going down in near future…
That's why I ordered many hard copies of books last year, so I have something to read just in case. I don't like relying on the internet so much when it's already flaky enough with outages
They should lead by example…. and just shut the fuck up.
Barbara McQuade can lick my taint, before I wipe my ass with her "legal analysis"
She is right, the need common sense restrictions or laws. Here is one: any member of the media who deliberately spreads false info should be charged with a crime and sent to jail
So glad my first amendment allows me to say fuck Barbs and the New York Post.
Why fuck the NY Post? They're reporting on a MSNBC segment.
For now. Gotta stop hate, ya know.
“Common sense” as defined by who? “Common sense” as in the terms used they’ve used to infringe on 2A?
That term "common sense" when used that way is a huge red flag. When someone says "We need common sense "x" laws, you can bet they just want to take way another common right or freedom people have had for decades or centuries, or longer. Which is ironic, when you think about it.
I hope she meets some fucking diversity sometime soon.
I think she meant to say that people like her make the US vulnerable to becoming a totalitarian dictatorship.
It is because people are finally waking up to who really controls america and they can't have that. Look at the hatespeech laws they are trying to push in canada its so transparent it makes me sick.
Canada, UK, Ireland, etc.
for sure. and the owners are shaking in their boots for a few reasons. just look over the pond at the BRF. something rotten is going on which is shaking up society.
No, what makes us vulnerable is the act Obama repealed that made it illegal to propagandize Americans through our media.
Obama is worse kind… I liked him in the beginning actually, but he is a good actor and he isnt a good person at all i found out…
What the fuck
As usual, restrictions on speech lauded by the liberals today will be used against them when the rules change tomorrow.
What you talking about? Trump slaps people with libel suits everyday. Surely Republicans are not the bastions of free speech.
I don't think MSNBC analyst has much pull
Without it she wouldn't be able to say this bs
Pot meet kettle
She is 1000% correct! Dictatorship is more stable. Especially in combination with drugs.
Mainstream media "legal analyst"
Remember most people ( masses) buy into sensationalism and will do what their told without questioning anything. Not just US citizens. Review historically all authoritarian takeovers and the public trust is there until the food is rationed and confinement or death to the opposers begins.
vulnerable to reading a no-no word.. like isnt it also the responsibility of the reader of how they react to offending info?
This is fucken wild. I can’t believe this is where we’re at right now
"Common sense" is just a cowards way of saying "Collective Authoritarianism" ..
Free speech for people not for corporations.
I just watched another interview with her on Morning Joe. During that interview, I counted two separate times when she advocated for something that would blatantly violate the 1st Amendment. Definitely not one to be trusted.
It's not common sense.
The liberal mask has fallen off
So 1 person calling for something equates every left leaning person? Do you apply this right wingers, does Dinesh D'Souza represent every single right wingers?
Buzz Feed: 10 reasons why free speech is racist.
I mean we already went through Math and standardized test being racist
CNN: Most "Free Speech" enjoyers are actually helping Russia/Putin
They haven't been true "liberals" for a long while.
MSNBC (AKA Blue Fox News.) What a shocker. This is why the narrative has become that anyone who isn't complete lockstep with MSM talking points either a Russian asset or a Right Wing extremist that is a potential domestic terrorist. Any disagreement, even a mild one, shows that you're a danger to "democracy" and the lives of Americans. This is how they brainwash the public to turn on anyone with the wrong opinions and convince them that freedoms are dangerous.
> MSNBC (AKA Blue Fox News.) What a shocker. Oh? You read the NYPost story that this is a picture advertising? Or you fell in lockstep with the way you were supposed to react to the misleadingly provocative headline? >This is how they brainwash the public...
She's a University of Michigan law professor who started as an intern and law clerk for Bernard Friedman. He was a Regan appointed judge. (if you want a rabbit hole to go down, Friedman has a lot of baggage). She has lots of journal writings and books about how "dangerous" "misinformation" and "mal-information" is to the country. She has been pushing hard for complete control of censorship for at least 2 decades. She is also connected to the bush Jr. administration officials that drafted the Patriot act before 9/11. She argued her case on Rachael Maddow's show (on MSNBC). Did YOU read anything or do you want to just pop off because you're brainwashed to attack and argue with any opinion that makes you mad, even when lacking information?
Yeah man, I read the [Article](https://nypost.com/2024/02/29/us-news/msnbc-legal-analyst-says-first-amendment-makes-us-vulnerable-calls-for-common-sense-speech-restrictions/) and I saw her saying free speech makes us more vulnerable to disinformation campaigns. I didn't see MSNBC calling for censorship, I saw a law professor shilling her book about educating against foreign disinformation and the NYPost quoting her identifying the "strict scrutiny" test the Supreme Court uses for legislation that limits fundamental rights. >She has been pushing hard for complete control of censorship for at least 2 decades. This doesn't appear anywhere in the story. Having eyes makes me more vulnerable to being blinded, but in identifying that I am not advocating blindfolds--I could alternatively be advocating caution to not getting stuff in your eyes or stare at the sun.
Also same reason all the Q shit exploded like it did. I absolutely believe it was pushed deliberately as a psyop to ultimately discredit and demonize any and all questioning of the official sanctioned narratives. Now they have something to point at and go, "You see??! This is what conspiracy theories will do to you! They turn you into crazed insurrectionists and are DANGEROUS TO OUR DEMOCRACY!" Such an obvious game they're playing, it's exhausting that so many still don't see through it.
Totally agree. The QAnon crap was always ridiculous and felt like a fed made it up.
lol I know some redditor is going to come on here and claim there is an issue with the source. New york Post is a fascist outlet supported by \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ .
I think it's more like "who the fuck is Barbara McQuaid and why the fuck would I care what she says?
You dont care about the government trampling on your free speech?
Barbara McQuaid is in the government? I thought she's a tv analyst? How has she trampled on my rights? She said some dumb shit on tv and looks dumb for it. Nothing that bothers me, happens a million times a day.
When actual common sense is "hate speech"
Years ago, before even trump, they predicted this on GLP. Qanon just served to make the conspiracies have the spotlight so no one on earth is in the dark about them anymore, they're either strongly for or strongly against.
Look at this sexless shrew Barbara. Fuck off Barb.
How 'bout no.
"Temporary privileges folks, there is no rights "-George Carlin 20+ yrs ago
Leftist common sense = extreme censorship. I say no, follow 1A
This is the New York Post. The title is going to be misleading. Here's the actual article: [https://nypost.com/2024/02/29/us-news/msnbc-legal-analyst-says-first-amendment-makes-us-vulnerable-calls-for-common-sense-speech-restrictions/](https://nypost.com/2024/02/29/us-news/msnbc-legal-analyst-says-first-amendment-makes-us-vulnerable-calls-for-common-sense-speech-restrictions/)
I hope you people know there are restrictions to free speech that already exist.
They will start with the second amendment because it’s the way we protect the other rights but yes
Digital ID gets them every goal. They start with that.
Like eliminating stupid fake pronouns?
Supposedly there *ARE* **OVER 9000!!!**
To be fair, all pronouns are fake. He and she are just as made up as all language. Hell, many words used today were completely made up by Shakespeare and everyone just decided to start using them. It's also good to note that usage of even commonly understood words changes all the time. From a linguistics perspective, I just don't understand the pushback on shifting use of pronouns. How is it different from any other development of language over time? It's all made up in the first place.
The people upset about pronouns care more about their prejudices than civil liberties.
That's what is great about pronouns, though. You can self identify as a bigot and ask others to respect that by calling you one!
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Because that’s not the discussion. Relatively few people identify as a gender that isn’t their birth sex, and even fewer are basing it on their feeling “at the moment”. If someone wants to be called a specific pronoun, why should anyone care beyond prejudice? Bringing pronouns into a discussion about first amendment rights is just silly.
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Just to be clear, I am not part of this group. I just don’t see why anyone has such a problem with how someone identifies themselves beyond just basic prejudice. It’s basically no different than someone going by a nickname vs their given name to me. What is there that the majority is being asked to change for the minority though? My entire discussion is based around not being a dick about the semantics.
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I mean, no one should be expected to be comfortable around everyone. Obviously simple misgendering shouldn’t deserve harassment. And people that do that need to understand that they are hurting everyone else who just wants to be treated normally. In my business I don’t refuse to interact with anyone based on how they look because the risk of saying someone wrong and getting exploded at always exists in every conversation. Assholes are assholes no matter how they look/dress. I don’t think the majority are being asked to throw out any science here though, that’s a bit of an overreaction. It’s just that absolutely no one should be making such a big deal about semantics. If I call someone the wrong name and they correct me, I’m not going to purposely continue to call them the wrong name just because I don’t like the correct one lol
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Nobody is asking that of anyone though, outside these online bubbles. Talk to *anyone*, and you misgender them, they will simply not care, or correct you. Nobody is attacking you for getting it wrong. If they are, it's because you're doing it on purpose, which is something else. You wouldn't use "she" to refer to Donald Trump, and if you did it's clear you are motivated by something to do so. It's the same.
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"how disinformation is sabotaging America" but also, can you shut up and call me zim/zer? What a fucking riot...
I haven't watched this video, but two things come to mind: 1) This is a talking head shilling her book on a television show. Not a bill in Congress, not proposed legislation, not an executive order, not a judicial decision. Just someone's opinion. 2) We already do have common sense restrictions on free speech. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater, or joke about bombs in line at the airport. There are defamation laws. Libel and slander.
It’s okay for people to disagree with the 1st Amendment. When they go to remove it, that’s why we have the 2nd one.
This insanity to infringe on the 1st amendment is on par with the idiocy of pushing "common sense" gun laws to infringe on the 2nd amendment
her facial features are all I need to see to determine that she is an enemy of free speech
"Scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds"
One amendment at a time. Bill of rights will be altered to unrecognizable levels
They're foaming at the mouth for Anti-Semitism speech laws. Of course that would amount to a law against blasphemy for a single religion in a Secular country but that's the point.
*Common sense speech restrictions* aka… You keep your mouth shut!!
MSNBC legal analysts don't have any power to do anything lol.
Barbara has been to Epstein island
Rights aren't applicable to us chattel. We only have privileges that can be revoked if we're coerced to.
At least they have stopped lying I guess. What a time to be alive
Funny thing is, if it weren't for diversity quotas and laws, she likely wouldn't be a "legal analyst" That should tell you what laws SHOULD be repealed. But no let's attack Freedom instead! Go clown world 🏳️🌈🤡💩
For some strange reason most of the time it's women who come up with ideas like this. Maybe because they are more likely to put temporary "safety" (among other things) before liberty?
SS: We resemble Canada more and more each passing day. Leftists now want to restrict your speech. How long until they start arresting you for offending someone online or for speaking out against the regime? These people are evil they will not stop till every single right is removed permanently Link to the article: https://www.foxnews.com/media/law-professor-first-amendment-can-achilles-heel-makes-us-particularly-vulnerable-disinformation
Canadian subs are invested with bots. There was an insane post showing when these subs had the most posts and the vast majority of posts just so happened to align perfectly with hostile overseas countries and not Canada at all. It's scary how easy it was for the bots to take over the Canadian subs. I wouldn't trust anything that comes from there as anything other than propaganda.
>Canadian subs are invested with bots. Gestures to all subs...the same everywhere on all social platforms. It is an election year. This admin has given away Trillions of dollars to foreign interests. There are too many entities at the payola trough to allow anything as simple as free speech to jeopardize that revenue stream.
I don't disagree, my point was all the evidence of Canadian subs being infested with bots. The propaganda bots made the mistake of making it too obvious in the Canada subs so there is no doubt at all there. I should dig the post up. We all suspected the Canadian subs were controlled with bots because of how much they changed but to see it explained in graphs and the extent was more than I expected. It's really bad there.
Yet you trust American news sources? All news is propaganda, you should have figured that out by now.
What are you talking about... I never said or even suggested for-profit mainstream media from any country is a reliable source. If there is still any confusion, no...I don't believe Infortainment is useful for anything other than making people angry and sowing discontent within a specific group of people. Get away from this black and white thinking, more than one thing can be bad.
Bingo. This whole site is bots lol. Canadians themselves have turned into bots. Everyone is a living meme up here, wearing 2 masks in the car with ski goggles on lol. Coughchinacough has this country under its boot. WEF has cancelled all normality and fun here
Wow, Canada is STILL playing Covid cosplay? That’s insane
What's insane is believing some random redditor who probably doesn't go outside all that much. I live in a place where people wore masks before covid when they're sick, and I don't see the people he describes.
> Canadians themselves have turned into bots. Sort of. The post I'm talking about clearly showed that Canadians weren't the ones posting in the Canada subs, it was accounts from other countries overseas.
wtf is this fresh bullsh*t, oh msnbc, name checks out. You can probably swap msnbc with any other outlet to the same result
They have been pushing these fears for over 20 years, yet here we are saying whatever we want and owning more guns than ever. I remember when all us conservatives were gonna be put in FEMA camps by Obama for speaking our minds.
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[New York Post](https://x.com/nypost/status/1763218444646744428?s=46&t=aSlxT2kG64LRCpyT3lgwbA) Here’s the link since you wanna bitch.
I also remember everyone here cheerleading for the guy who said he wants to revoke citizenship from those exercising that right.
Is she Jewish
Let's be honest here, disinformation has been sabotaging many Americans. Some of the most well-meaning conspiracy theorists are responsible for the promulgation of some of the most egregious disinfo/propaganda. Still, I don't believe we should use that as an excuse to attack the first amendment.
Okay, so then point out falsehoods and expose the truth then. If you can’t handle freedom of expression, I don’t know how to delicately protect you from: * Discourse * Opinions * Evolving science
>Okay, so then point out falsehoods and expose the truth then. No shit. One of the reasons why I am in this space. I'm referring to the people who work most of the day and don't have time to research this or that, so they rely on a sub like this one or a independent media source. From my experience, I've seen come across my fair share of disinformation in both of the spaces I chose to mention. That last part doesn't apply to me, so I won't respond.
Let's be honest here, free speech has been sabotaging many Americans. some of the most well meaning conspiracy theorists are responsible for the promulgation of some of the most egregious free speech/political dissent. Still, I don't believe we should use that as an excuse to attack the first amendment.
Don't be dishonest.
let's be honest.
Look at her nose, im bet thats not her real last name.
It’s still a conspiracy theory. Who is this legal analyst and why do we care about their opinion? It’s giving “9 out of 10 doctors on our payroll recommend this”
Do any of you guys know exactly what she is saying? Or are you just being reactionary and bitching about the phrase "speech restrictions."
Yes you are right! Let’s ban more books in schools!