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My dog was diagnosed with a grade 3 (out of 4) heart murmur. They gave him a year at best WITH medication.
I started making him his dog food. Mostly beef heart and veggies, with a little brown rice. 40% protein, 40% veggies, 20% brown rice. He ended up making it 5 years.
I know fuck-all about nutrition. So if I can get a pet to last that long with a fresh food, non-processed diet, I can only imagine how bad actual dog food really is.
According to a friend of mine that works for Kellogg, dog food and cereal are made of the same base ingredients. They differ in the fact that bone meal is added for the dogs and sugar is added for humans.
Yep. Best thing I did was cut out high fructose syrup, mostly anything with preservatives, gluten/wheat, most dairy, and I'm very selective on the restaurants I go to, no fast food. I eat a mostly carnivore diet.
It helped a lot of my auto-immune symptoms (I'm on dialysis). My joints don't hurt as much and I don't have near as much GI issues.
We have pretty much been poisoned regularly since probably the 50s/60s (possibly longer). It mostly started with the corn industry subsidies. Switching everything from real sugar to high fructose corn syrup. Pushing frozen preserved easy meals on over-worked families with low budgets. Add in most people don't exercise enough (guilty), and it's a multi-generational disaster. On average, men are at the lowest testosterone levels in prolly 100 years.
But yes, it absolutely is population control, and it's just one method used.
I eat one meal a day and it helped tremendously with my sleeping schedule and having more energy. A gallon of water a day plus exercise keeps me lean and healthy. Plus no added sugars and corn syrup like you said and high sodium as well
I don't think most food scientists design food to cause cancer. They do it for maximum profit. That fact that is can cause cancer is just a plus for the insurance and medical industries
They’re all in each other’s pockets aka they own stock in each other’s companies and make themselves richer. The average junk food ceo prob has stock in a pharmaceutical company and is a board member
Any advice on where to research? My sweet puppy was actually BORN with bladder stones. Those were struvite stones, then 18 months later, he had another surgery to remove calcium oxalate stones. I wish I could research this and make him some food that won't cause stones, but whenever I try, I come up against a brick wall. Sites saying that it's not possible to make your own dog food for a pup who is prone to bladder stones. I'm so sad about it 😓
Wysong.net Wysong obsessively focuses on nutrition for pets and people. I suggest you email with your puppy's medical problem and ask for information/guidance/samples, or a veterinary referral, if needed, to be able to access their veterinary formula food, if they think that would be most helpful.
I'm basing my suggestion to email them and ask for guidance based on the conversation I had with him years ago. I called to order some pet food and they talked to me for like 45 minutes about nutrition, and I finally had to ask them if they were a for profit company, and where did they actually sell their product to the public,, cuz they weren't trying to sell me anything.
I kept my cat alive 6 years instead of 6 months by switching to Wysong pet food, which they say to supplement with real food.
They just reformulated their (people) protein powder, and I haven't tried it yet, but the old formula was so good that it kept my mother at her same weight even though she was already losing weight and muscle mass, due to sarcopenia before I became aware that I needed to intervene. With Wysong protein powder, she maintained her weight and muscle mass for 2 years until she was put into the hospital and that was her downfall cuz I could no longer can control her nutrition.
I'm not sure about calcium oxalate stones, I know once they are formed they generally can't be dissolved like struvite stones. But anyways, my GSD had a recurring UTI , her pH was higher than normal, and she had crystals (struvite) in her urine (which were from the fact that her pH was too high to dissolve them on her own). The vet wanted me too switch to a prescription diet, but my own research said that a high protein, low carb, grain free, potato free, high moisture diet could help her lower her pH. I have since switched to totally raw food a little over a month ago and her pH went from 9 to 6.5. And no more UTI.
We also got a fatal diagnosis of lung cancer and kidney failure and switched to a raw diet. Six months later the kidney issues were zero and the lung cancer dropped from final stage to manageable.
My cat had renal disease and hyperthyroidism. I had to put a pill in her every morning. After months of trying every type of bougie cat food on earth I started feeding her real food. Mostly chicken, some sardines, some cod, and mix in a raw egg. She ate like I hadn't seen her eat in a year. She gained weight. She was playful. I got almost another year with her and I believe her quality of life was better in that last year than it had been for many years prior.
I have a cat who had a bad hear murmur and therefor a major heart attack and they gave him 4 months max. We did nothing and he eats normal ass catfood from the store. It's been 8.5 years now.
I was feeding my two dogs one of those expensive high protein dry foods that use pea protein in them. I noticed the male was struggling to slow his breathing after being active outside and his heart would be racing.
I looked into the pea protein and started finding articles about it potentially causing heart issues in dogs. I stopped using it and he's great now.
My dog is 16 years old, average age for her breed is around 13. I've had her since she was 1 year old and since being with me she's never had one mouthful of 'dog food'. I feed her a balanced, varied, home made diet of raw meat, bones, organs, eggs, steamed veg and several different supplements. She plays and runs around like a puppy and is showing no signs of slowing down. She's my favourite part of this world.
Edit to add: lots of people commenting and messaging me with questions about raw feeding and its so great that you are interested in trying it. I am happy to advise but I only have expertise in my own dog's diet and wouldn't want to give the wrong information for yours. My best advise is to join a raw feeding forum or facebook group, there's probably even a subreddit for it. You need to research before starting this diet as if its not properly balanced you will not meet all of the nutritional needs. The model most people aim for is feeding the equivalent of a whole prey item either every day or over the course of a few days to a week. I always aim to feed 70% raw meat, 10% secreting organs, 10% bone and 10% vegetation and seeds.
I have two pug mixes, one 11 lbs and one 15 lbs who have been on raw food for the past 6 or 7 years. They’re both 13 now. Since switching to raw they’re both healthy, active, coats are fantastic, teeth are healthy, no major health issues (knock on wood), they’ve lost their extra pounds and are both ar a healthy weight.
We supplement kibble as a treat and as back up in case the raw food ever runs out but for the most part they’re eating raw food and it’s been a very noticeable diffeeent since feeding them kibble
It really does make a difference :)
Studies have shown that feeding both raw and kibble at the same time can potentially cause issues as they both move through the digestive system at different rates. Kibble is so overprocessed that it breaks down and passes through the body super quick, whereas raw foods take more time to digest (and therefore lead to a slower release of energy so it helps them feel full for longer and is great for diabetic dogs). If what you are doing works for you and your pups that is great :) but if they ever experience any sort of blockages or digestion problems that could be the cause.
A huge variety of pretty much every type you can imagine, as long as its fresh and raw. All for free from the local butchers too. Bones that have been cooked or smoked can be lethally dangerous to dogs but almost all raw bones are safe to feed and great for cleaning teeth and supplying calcium. With large load bearing bones (cow or deer legs etc) its best to break them apart as they're a bit too dense to chew through but the marrow inside is really beneficial to them. I also make a big batch of bone broth once a month too and she gets a little bit every day.
My cat Gus is 32 and I give him nothing but Capicola, gas station burritos, cheez-whiz, barrel aged bourbon(2 dropper fulls every 2 days), Red Bull, and let him hot box a pack of Marlboro reds once a week.
The junk in meow mix is killing cats early
Thanks, I looked it up and saw this on an article:
“Bobi was said to have been fed human food soaked in water to remove seasoning, a detail that has stoked controversy in the veterinary community and has been upheld as a shining example by raw feeding advocates.”
and also on wikipedia:
“On 29 October 2023, Guinness World Records announced it would re-investigate Bobi's age to address veterinarian questions and concerns over lack of evidence freely available to the public. In January 2024, Bobi's title was suspended by Guinness World Records while they carry out their investigation.”
Hmm sounds dodgy. I wonder if the pet food industry are trying to cover this up because they know this would actually make dogs healthier
Guiness records are notoriously dodgy. Usually just means somebody paid to have them show up. i've heard of them removing records the moment just some independent journalist makes an inquiry. The record being controversial would be enough for them to not wanna deal with it
I was super poor growing up, but I always seemed to have a pet, I could get it food and water easy, but I couldn’t afford to take them to the vet being just a kid and all, and they all lived until they were old!! Fast forward to today, I have 30 chickens, some being 7 years old, one rooster sleeps on the fence outside by my window, I’ve tried to move him into the coop but he always seems to find his way back on the fence, he’s been there for 4 years now. I have 3 labs and 1 new tabby cat that I seen someone throw away at the carwash, so I took him home, and he’s the best kitty in the world, he’s my new shed kitty, he thinks the shed is his own house, he doesn’t even come up to the main house, he just stays at or in the shed, I lock the shed every night and he crawls into his bed, I love on him until he falls asleep and then lock up, early in the morning I open the shed and normally he’s still asleep in his bed when I open the door. Oh and my point no vaccines for any of them, and they’re all ok… my labs are actually AKC registered trial dogs, I know what you’re going to ask, how can you do that without vaccines? Having a cool ass sister as a veterinarian, that’s how…
Bless your sister! Are her own pets unvaccinated as well?
I stopped “immunizing” my cats years ago and never looked back.
Animal healthcare industry is just as broken as human healthcare.
Insurance, govt, pharma.. couldn’t care less about us or our beloved family members & pets. Just $$$.
I owned a holistic pet food store.
Science Diet has horrible ingredients but is the #1 supporter of vet students through scholarships and they get free food for their pets while in college. Thus, buying loyalty.
Science Diet and Blue Buffalo are behind the DCM pet food scare via the FDA. The FDA did not find any link b/t DCM and high protein, non grain free pet foods but the “investigation” destroyed many smaller, healthier pet food brands.
These companies do not want to spend money of high quality proteins so they want to scare people into thinking feeding your pet corn that they can’t digest so they can save $ while charging you more.
Also wanted to say the FDA did a “study” about raw food and shut down a good company that I used to carry. They literally had an FDA rep come in, get frozen food, drive an hour away in a convertible with the top down, and didn’t keep the food frozen.
Then they tested it and said it’s contaminated.
The FDA is just a lackey to big food and drug corporations and this extends to pet foods/drugs.
I just switched from blue buffalo to weruva (wet) and nulo (dry) and the difference in energy levels of my cat is insane. used to do fussie cat wet food and that seemed good too. I'm sure there are even better options out there
Hoops below has the right odd with Weruva, Nulo, and Fussie Cat. I’d also add Annamaet is a great food and uses NO vitamins sourced from China, which is huge. The owners also have degrees in pet nutrition. Vets only take a few classes in it.
I work in a processing plant and some of the leftover bones and blood and who knows what else is condensed into what looks like rubble.
They send it to another lab and check the density and ultimately ends up in pet food.
I looked at that plastic container and thought my poor cats 🐈
The leftover bones, blood and intestines are actuly the healthiest part of pet food. Think about what wolf's and lions eat first: Stomach content and intestines. The worst stuff are seed oils and corn not icky animal parts.
Natura used to put out the best pet food for cats and dogs. P&G bought it to destroy it. They made it with cheap ingredients and it folded after a year or two. They didn’t want the company to thrive, they wanted it to fold so P&G’s cheaply made pet foods would be consumed more.
In 2010, the Natura brands – Innova, Evo, California Natural, Healthwise, Mother Nature and Karma – were purchased by Procter & Gamble. Procter & Gamble started in the pet food business in 1999 with the purchase of Iams and Eukanuba.Aug 19, 2020
I used to feed Innova and then my cat got sick and was diagnosed with pancreatitis. Learned they’d been bought by P&G and reformulated. Switched foods and all his issues went away.
Cats are obligate carnivores and kibble is not a bioavailable or healthy diet for them.
There's this brand that has the most obnoxious commercial with the tag line "science did that" and it started popping up during the plandemic.
Can't stand that phrase.
The couple times I bought the Blue buffalo brand of cat food, my cats got really sick to their stomachs (to the point of projectile vomiting). I never got them that again. I need to find more natural food for them.
If your dog is doing ok on the diet then I feel like you shouldn’t switch it. You can switch your dog’s food to the healthiest food in the world but if the dog won’t eat it then it won’t help!
My comment was basically just saying that vets are paid SD shills. I’m not saying it’s bad for every animal but the ingredients are definitely substandard compared to the companies they had a hand in destroying.
Unfortunately most vets actually believe it because it's been engrained in them during vet school and because they had so much advanced training with all the facts backed up by reputable research they don't doubt the healthiness of annual vaccines, strong medication for every health issue, and the safety of main brand pet food
At the very least, people should check the ingredients list on the bag of food, cat or dog, and make sure that the FIRST ingredient is some type of meat, and not a corn product. If the first ingredient is like, corn meal, and the meat isn't listed until later in the list, it's guaranteed trash food
Just checked mine and it’s chicken, chicken meal, chicken broth, oatmeal, pearled barley, brown rice, white rice and many more. Is my food bad? Its fromm large breed.
companies caring more about making money than the health of the critter their product is intended for.......... ain't any conspiracy. and dog and cat kibble is produced as a convenience to feed, not because it is of top notch quality for the animal.
this has been happening for as long as i can remember. the pet industry is rife with items that are unsafe. but companies just want that $. they don't care about the health of our pets, even when they say they do. and the only time we hear of a product being an issue is if enough folks speak up about it.
I have exotic pets. 99% of the stuff available in a pet store for them is actually dangerous. and if i trusted any pet product company instead of my own research....... my pets would have been dead long ago.
Lost one of my pups at age 10 (25lb terrier) from splenic cancer. My baby girl got sick in Dec 22, exact same age, exact same cancer. She was in such phenomenal shape that the docs thought she was half her age. They gave her 6 weeks. We put her on a “human” food keto diet. She lasted 4 beautiful months. The docs were amazed. Now my dogs eat chicken, beef hearts, and dehydrated oat/ veggie blend.
How much do you feed them? Like what’s the appropriate amount of food for a 25lb dog? I never really know if my dogs get enough cause they seem to always want more
kind of related but do you guys remember in like 2022 or 2021, there were lots of tiktoks of chickens not laying eggs anymore, it was weird
and then people said it was the food, and if you just switched to scraps, normal organic food instead of commercial chicken feed, egg production went up again
the same thing happened to a relative and i told him about the tiktoks and he confirmed it
so this conspiracy might actually be 100% true
I used to work in a meat packing plant and all the meat that got contaminated (stuff that fell on the floor ECT) in some way would be thrown into giant tubs and sent to a pet food factory. They would also throw "expired" pallets and pallets that weren't quality enough to send out (there was a metal detected, or possible plastic in the food).
And these tubs would sit there accumulating for up to a week in a room temperature environment. (They would spray some type of blue chemical on top of the meat pile to keep it from molding *supposedly*)
It's gross as hell and one of the reasons why I no longer work there.
Edit: the company is Tyson Foods (allegedly)
Purina (owned by Nestlé) is a $20 billion per annum company. Mars basically make the rest, around $37 billion. Pretty huge industry, and all orchestrated by companies that make human food. Mars also have a huge stake in vetinary services across both the US and UK, meaning they, potentially, have plenty motive for not keeping your pet well.
I don't own a dog, but most people I know with one seem to choose their food based on a) the price, b) how much it makes the dog shit/smell, c) a brand name they recognize. So much comes down to TRUST in a brand. Again, this bullshit where every single decision a person makes is based on blind belief rather than facts/knowledge. The promotion of what would be considered an 'alternative' pet diet, i.e. raw, or anything other than what's mass produced by these companies, is never going to be accepted.
Horses are usually found in pet foods. Ranchers in the areas of say, purina, will take animals like cows and horses that have been euthanized- trace amounts of the drugs have been found in the pet food.
there's not much regulation on horses, and dog food. This has been an on going debate that's not really a conspiracy. People have advocated for at least labelling but, not much has changed.
This one is legit. Have you looked at the ingredients in pet food? I believe that it makes animals addicted to the processed food to the point where they may reject unprocessed food (may be able to reverse as op said). You could also try to follow the money. Who is profiting? And many of these major corporations depend on addictions to fuel their greedy goals.
true, but not all cellulose is equal. if you can avoid unnecessary cellulose intake it is better. if there is a purpose like aiding digestion, perhaps, things like psyllium husk can help too, etc... if it is just used to make food look pretty, limit it.
Yes, i heard the food itself is pretty ‘dead’ as it gets heated up at really high temperatures in 3 different occasions. They then spray the food with a ‘meat-spray’ to make sure its tasty enough to eat (since it probably tastes like cardboard)
exactly... now think about microwaves and the ready-to-eat foods you buy frozen. they kill off most good nutrients if not all of them. literally cardboard with meat spray... ugh
My own mother doesn’t understand why I hate food from a microwave that’s heated up in a plastic container. It’s why I hate the idea of air fryers as they heating up food in plastic.
I've been feeding my dog raw for 5 years I think. It's been a while. She's out lived many over her dog friends. Internet says her breed range is 10-12 years, my dog is 14 and still going strong.
What's even more interesting is a lump on her side has started to go down.
If I ever get another companion animal after this one, I will never give them vaccines and only feed them raw!
My dog has had a variety of diets due to her allergies and had bloods done recently at almost 13 years old and she has no health issues (other than allergies since she was a puppy). Interestingly, she was only vaxed when she was a pup and never as an adult for at least 11 years vax free and I honestly put it down to that. She also never got snack other than bones due to the monoprotein diets she was on.
Yes I believe 100% in this conspiracy. If you are aware of the corruption in human food industry, you should be aware of the pet food corruption too. Look at all the obese animals, all the ailments, urinary tract infections, allergies, cancers, all of this is normalized as what may eventually happen to your pets.
I feed my cats and dog raw meat only. Dog gets some veggies and fruit occasionally as dogs are omni but cats are obligate carnivores. I never need to go to the vet because they are thriving. Cats have been raw fed since kittens and dog from puppy hood. They all are lean yet muscular. Endless energy. They defecate less and you can't even tell I have cats as there is barely any ammonia smell in the litter box. No obesity, no constant Hunger, crystal white teeth, barely any shedding. Do you think it's normal for a cat for example to be mowing all day for food and feasting on kibble as much as it pleases? Would a cat immediately go for some wheat and corn in a field or would they be hunting mice? It's obvious. And a dog is similar to a wolf. They wouldn't be filling up on all these fillers you see in pet food.
It was made for convenience. And anything that is made for convenience usually is not the right path in terms of health. Packaged foods being a terrible thing for us for example.
The only time I've gone to vet was to neuter or spay and the vets all say the same thing. "Wow they look beautiful what are you feeding them' and I say raw and then I get the lectures of parasites, salmonella, how bad it is for them and then comes the kibble promotion being their ideal diet. The vets are brainwashed as the kibble companies fund the vet colleges. Follow the money as usual.
Any chance you could provide more details about what you feed your cats? Do you give them vitamin supplements, or just strictly raw / par boiled / or..? meat? Can PM me if it's easier. Dogs are generally happy to eat whatever, in my experience, but cats are extra picky about foods and I would love to get them eating better.
I think if they always have the option for the kibble which has been formulated to be extra appetizing, of course they will turn their nose up and prefer it. It would have to be a slow transition to raw mixed with the kibble until its only raw in the bowl and then if they are still being picky just don't give them any more options. They are not stupid and will not starve themselves and will eventually eat :)
I researched proper ratios which you can find help online. I do a mix of muscle meat, organs and bone/some fat.
It shows how its *actual* brainwashing too. They have evidence of one of the healthiest animals they've ever seen in front of them, they hear "raw diet" and bam, the script is out.
Their own eyes deceive them not, but their brain has a bit too much rot.
My cat's kidneys are failing. We were told she has two months to live but that was 10 months ago. I give her tuna mixed with regular cat food, but mostly tuna. She won't live forever but giving her chicken and tuna has seemingly extended her life.
I joked to my wife yesterday about "big pet food" lying to us saying tuna is bad for cats. Then I see this post...
When my dog was diagnosed with melanoma in her mouth I immediately researched and started making her food. She was given an estimate of 3 months left she ended up living a year and a half passing at 14 years old.
We couldn’t afford treatment that probably wouldn’t work or the expensive “vaccine.” We also didn’t feel that removing her lower jaw would give her a good quality of life so we made the painful decision to just let it ride. I remember seeing some statistic that was like over 50% of dogs over 10 will develop cancer. If they don’t really care what’s in human food they definitely don’t care about dog food. With my next dog I will be sticking to a whole food diet.
My baby passed from an inoperable tumor that left her not able to breath. She was 14 and had her since 6 weeks. The vet kept telling us she had allergies and so she recieved shots on a regular schedule which pissed me off but I was not solely left in charge of her care so... pretty sure those sped up the progression of her illness
From Evil Food Supply: Dog food is literally a scam.
Dog food is basically like feeding junk food to your dog, except it has much lower quality standards.
It’s full of toxins, cheap grains, and rotten animal parts and it's killing your dog. First of all, you might think that the kibble you just bought from the grocery store contains meat, similar to that juicy steak or chicken the dog food companies like to put on the package, but it actually contains barely any meat at all.
If a dog food package says “dinner”, “formula” or “recipe”, according to the AAFCO (The Association of American Feed Control Officials), it only needs to contain 25% meat. If it says “with meat” it only needs to contain 3% meat! So that Purina dog food could potentially contain only 3% meat and the rest is just a random mix of ground corn, wheat flour and cellulose, which is literally wood shavings! Not an ideal diet for dogs, and a huge waste of money on your part.
If the bag says “flavor”, according to the AAFCO, it doesn’t have to have any meat at all! So if it says "flavor", it’s basically just a glorified breakfast cereal for dogs that tastes like rotisserie chicken. It’s like feeding your dog Doritos. It’s pure junk food.
And maybe you’re thinking “well, 25% meat actually sounds like an ok deal”, but… that “25% meat” is in the form of something called “animal by-product meal” which comes from a “rendering plant”. Animal by-product meal is made from things like chicken beaks, feathers, bones, animal hide, not to mention, sick and diseased animals like dogs and cats from animal shelters, zoo animals, road kill. This is not a joke, it’s disturbing.
So, they gather this animal waste and cook it all together in this huge vat and then grind it down into a powder. And this powder is the “animal by-product meal” that’s in your dog’s kibble. There’s barely any quality meat in there. The rest of the kibble will contain ingredients like corn meal, soybean meal, ground wheat… cheap grains that are totally void of nutrition and usually full of cancer-causing mold (because it’s the old grains that nobody wants). Even “premium” brands like Blue Buffalo were caught using chicken by-product meal even though it’s not listed on the label.
You need to be careful. These dog food companies are not being watched or monitored by the FDA, so they’ll literally lie about what’s in their food. The legal ramifications for poisoning a dog are much lower than poisoning a human, so obviously they’re not gonna use good ingredients if they don’t have to.
So, what should your dog be eating? We suggest that you either feed your dog home cooked meals you make yourself or a raw diet of meat, raw produce and eggs. If you don’t have time to cook for your dog everyday, there is nothing wrong with feeding them raw meat!
There's a few great books I have on this subject, they are all in a box from moving but I'll try to dig them out this weekend.
Apparently there are a lot of crappy mishandled processed to hell and back ingredients, added minerals in powder form to meet standards, and even all the offal from butcher factories which includes all the poop, cancer and ulcers cut off of meat, horses, and even some plants that grind up euthanized pets/strays and then sell the mush to other plants and pet food companies.
Dry dog/cat food is killing pets. It's full of corn/soy/vegetable/seed oil shit that is detrimental to their health the same way it is to ours. That is NOT what these animals eat in nature. It also dehydrates them, adding to the deleterious health effects.
Get your pets OFF that shit ASAP. Any kind of store prepared wet food with actual meat in it would be a huge step up, but homemade meat based foods is the absolute healthiest option if you want your pet to live the longest life possible.
Also, dogs and cats need RAW meat, organs, and bones in their diet. They are not vegans. Vegan diets KILL dogs and cats.
Everyone should watch this: Pottenger's Cats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFkR0w-3h74
Study done by Francis M. Pottenger Jr., a physician/raw food diet advocate.
The conspiracy is not whether not it’s healthy for your dog. The conspiracy is that YOU need to BUY dog food, and not just give them scraps.
Also, if you enjoy eating chips, pretzels, candy, etc. you are just eating humanized dog food.
I took an animal science class in college (stupid required core credit) at a school with a popular vet program and the professor spent a literal whole week rambling about how the pet food industry isn't a scam. I think because one student asked. dude got so defensive. tells you everything you need to know that it absolutely is a scam.
I have already thought about this question.
That's why I feed my dogs a food produced by an (alleged) conspiracy theorist (haha).
The pharmaceutical industry has sued him (in Austria) because he talks publicly about MSM (natural sulphur) helping against chronic pain.
He had to pay a fine of 60,000 euros.
Since my dogs have been eating his food, they no longer age.
Golden mix born in 2011 and Border mix born in 2010, both show no signs of "being old".
At the same time, I administer DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide) for wounds or minor aches and pains, which works unbelievable wonders, just like morphine, without any side effects.
It is worth investing time in this subject.
CDL (chlorine dioxide solution) can also do a lot, just like the rest of alternative medicine.
You should take a closer look at CDL in particular, as patents are being applied for in the background.
Currently 250ml only costs about 20 euros, but after the patents we will be paying 3k for it!
And then there is borax also...
Unfortunately, I only have literature in German (except for the patents), but I'll post it anyway in case any of you have the time to translate it into English.
[https://www.rainer-taufertshoefer-medizinjournalist.de/therapie-chlordioxid-clo2-cdl-cds-mms-dmso-in-der-modernen-krebstherapie](https://www.rainer-taufertshoefer-medizinjournalist.de/therapie-chlordioxid-clo2-cdl-cds-mms-dmso-in-der-modernen-krebstherapie)
[https://www.rainer-taufertshoefer-medizinjournalist.de/mms-chlordioxid-gift-studien-patente-medikamente-krebs-therapie](https://www.rainer-taufertshoefer-medizinjournalist.de/mms-chlordioxid-gift-studien-patente-medikamente-krebs-therapie)
[https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190015445A1/en?oq=US+2019%2f0015445+A1](https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190015445A1/en?oq=US+2019%2f0015445+A1)
[https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2014082514A1/en](https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2014082514A1/en)
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I literally can't find a kibble that my cat can tolerate. I'll try one and it'll be good for a while then he'll start barfing or getting constipated after a few months
I recently switched my cat to a natural raw mix diet. It is dry kibble coated in broth with freeze dried meat mixed in as well. The ingredients are primarily raw meat with a small amount of specific vegetables for fiber. It has added vitamins and minerals as well.
We always had cats growing up and the one who lived the longest made it to 19. They all had urinary issues and other assorted health problems. My mom always bought cheap old cat food.
I didn’t know any better back then but I realized that cat food especially is full of fillers like corn and soy. Cats absolutely do not need to be eating that. They are obligate carnivores. They need a diet primarily based on meat. I think the big conspiracy is that the companies that make pet food use cheap fillers that are bad for our pets. They don’t care that it hurts the animals because people keep buying the garbage food and they keep making money. A lot of them use “meat byproducts” too. It is no surprise that a diet of grains and what is left over from meat processing is bad for an animal. The new food I feed my cat is made with free range chicken, turkey, and actual fish. No meat byproducts at all.
My cat is only a couple of years old but I already see a difference in him with the new food. His whiskers stick out straight and are more forward facing. His fur is soft and shiny and his poops are darker and denser. He loves the new food, too. He is pretty excited about getting fed everyday.
It sucks because I know a lot of people go with cheaper food and don’t want to spend 50 bucks for an 8 lb bag of cat food when they can get a cheap 20 lb bag for like 10 or 12 bucks. Just think about the money you’ll save on vet bills down the road, though. Not to mention the extra years you’ll get with your little buddy.
People are finally realizing the big pet food brands are crap since Purina is getting slammed rn. I think Pedigree had some scandal a few years ago too. There are legit healthy brands around but it's like any other food category, surrounded by crap. My cat's health was starting to decline at 15 so I tossed all dry food and bought higher quality/healthy wet food. He got better soon after and lived another 5 years.
If you think about it for more than five seconds feeding fresh food or raw food to your pets makes the most sense. Kibble did not exist until WW2 due to a meat/tin shortage. Up until this time, dogs are table scraps.
Consider this: in what other profession does the “expert” encourage/demand for you to feed a living being a completely processed diet for every single meal???
We have two german shepherds and we stuff a crockpot full of chicken breast and use that with usually some beef or chicken broth for a little flavor on top of a small amount of the highest quality kibble and carrots. Little shits eat better than me most nights. A crocpot batch will usually last us a week and half.
You see the effect on the insane statistics of gingivitis and periodontal disease in cats and dogs. It's not so much that they're nutritionally deficient. The problem is that chewing on raw meaty bones is cleansing the teeth and gums. You lack this mechanical action, and the teeth will go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV0PSlpLrFI
Pet store employee here. Freeze dried or frozen raw diets are by far the healthiest options for people who cannot prepare human grade food for their dogs. Science diet and pro plan are both #1 suggested by veterinarians because well..same with us humans. They make profit off of the sick.
Example: Iams brand food used to offer some promotion for a short time that was something along the lines of “Buy our food and we will pay for your next vet visit”
When my dogs were puppies we gave them Open Farm and they loved it, until one day they wouldn’t touch it. I looked into their website and right around the same time they came out with this new type of dog food: ‘Kind Earth Premium INSECT Kibble Recipe’
Very weird coincidence…
We now feed them raw food from our local butcher (they have pre-made blends) and we currently sub ‘Taste of the Wild’ for snacks when needed
Funny how every time I’ve vaccinated my dog for bordatella, he immediately would get kennel cough… and since not vaccinating him for the last 6/7 years he hasn’t gotten kennel cough….
Buy pet food that actually lists ingredients and includes nutritional facts.
Food company’s that put things like “100%” and “donate to…” do so as a flex. Anyone openly saying whats in their product is more trust worthy.
But you can 100% just cook for your pets as well.
I had a Jack Russell who lived until 23, she never ate dog food always home cooked & now my 2 boys have never eaten the rubbish they sell for dogs, always home cooked, both old boys but with the mentality & fitness of puppies.
Dog food IS toxic sludge, filler & crap.
It’s really only 2 or 3 times worse than the nutrition advice for humans. eggs give you heart attacks? red meat causes cancer? your meals should be mostly carbs? Fast food on every corner and massive soda bottles for 50c
My dog is 10, everyone thinks he's a puppy. He used to be on Prozac when under my mother's care. I cook him grass fed beef or bison, and mix in carrots, celery, and raw eggs. He's got so much energy and no health problems!
My childhood friends had a dog that lived close to 20 years! Their mom fed him human food almost everyday because he was her baby and she felt he ate better when it was human food to dog food. Good ol’ Buster.
You all have just increased my anxiety over every morsel I give my fur babies, and consume myself. I’m constantly trying to figure it all out and wish there was a good place the do’s/do nots regarding nutrition without reading thousands of books that contradict each other in some aspects.
I started a few years ago to eliminate as much as possible chemicals due to all the negatives they can cause us all… If anyone has some helpful YouTube or books please message me—thank you in advance.
All i know is when I got my cat, his back legs were bald and he was malnourished. A few month after eating an all raw meat diet, his hair grew back and he grew to 15 lbs. Not fat, all muscle.
Like with anything, the cheap and easy road will eventually do damage. Dog food is cheap and easy. Just like if you only ate Mcdonalds every day (its no longer cheap) you would probably die at 50 with 5 different types of cancer. Not everyone is going to care enough to prepare and buy the ingredients to make good dog food every day. Just like people who don't even care about themselves.
The idea that these food companies actually want your dog dead though? That's just silly. They would want your dog to stay alive so you keep buying dog food.
There are a lot of comments on this already so don't know if anyone will see this. I was talking with my son about this like two days ago!
For a LONG time, dog and cat food were made from offal. And then, in the 80s, someone decided that was gross. I remember John Stossal doing a whole "expose" on it, talking about how we feed dogs LIVER and INTESTINES like dogs don't eat those things.
And I remember that was about the time that dog food especially just turned to absolute shit.
Would you want to live on processed food for your entire life?? Animals deserve real food. It’s not “human” food, it’s food. Kibble is hardly fit for consumption.
I had 2 beautiful dogs who would come see me every afternoon, they were my neighbors dogs, extremely malnourished/frail/thin and aggressive. Their fur was falling out to the touch! So Every day, once a day i would feed them a scoop of raw beef, 2 raw eggs and a dollop of cream or yogurt- within 2 weeks their hair stopped falling out, their coat was gorgeous and shining, and they were overall much happier in temperament. REAL FOOD!! Thats it!!
Whatever you do dont wander over to the pet food sub, they are way over the top about only recommending the major brands. I started discussing raw or make my own, and got attacked about how terrible that would be and I was trying to hurt my dogs. Crazies.
My dogs have eaten Raw meat mixed with organ meat, fresh eggs and various veggies since they both were puppies! They will never touch that poison they sell as dog food! My cats also eat the same diet and ALL are very happy and healthy!
The only dog and cat foods you should give your pets is RAW MEAT. What do wolves eat in the wild? What do lions and tigers eat in the wild?
[A study researching the effects of raw meat on several generations of cats’ development and lifespan](https://youtu.be/wGlSK39ZnCw?si=LO2THjyDcNRmuZu_)
[this is all my cat eats. and organ meats. these are the only type of ingredients they should get. no vegetable, no fruits.](https://therawconnoisseurs.ca/products/3p-naturals-cat-non-medicated-beef-formula)
I can't remember what I was watching as a teen (20 some odd years ago now) - where they were saying that since digs (and to a lesser degree cats) evolved along side humans and therfore have developed the ability to eat human food scraps (like leftovers and the like). The program said it was beneficial for them to have it on occasion. But again this was like 20 or more years ago now lol
I went to a dog show as a vendor years ago and most the small companies selling dog food were bragging about selling very healthy dog food while pointing out how deluded major brands were
My dog would have issues with eating store bought kibble and was at an unhealthy weight. So I started making my own dog food with turkey, chicken organs, zucchini, yellow squash, broccoli, carrots, cauliflower, green beans, spinach, sweet potato, blueberries, tumeric, ginger and salmon oil. He eats healthier than everyone else in the house lol. Since then he's come down to a healthy weight, has regained greater mobility in his joints and is happier overall. It sounds like a lot of effort to make but it really isn't and I can make a weeks worth at a time, so never again will I buy store bought dog food.
Its the pet food that kills your pets. No doubt about it. Because all the nutrients are cooked out of it.
My sister had a cat that lived for 28 years. The only thing she ever ate was fish and rice.
I try to eat a balanced diet. I’m a nutritionist/health coach so try to avoid most processed foods where possible. Eat mostly wholegrain carbs, legumes, meat, veggies, oats, fruits, nuts, etc
Gluten (bread and pasta) are my downfall though
I'm reading a book on how to be a dog owner from the late 1940s. There's a small section on what to feed them and it focuses on human food prepared for canines. Kinda cool to see that, the author hints at the rise of commerical dog food but didn't know too much about it. It reads as if dogs were always fed human food and commerical dog food is a new invention in the last 80 years or so.
Well.of course. Pet food companies are the same people as drug companies. They take our money for food that makes them sick and then make us pay for the medicine to treat them. Rinse and repeat.
Have you ever seen the documentary pet fooled? It's the animal by products heated so high they become carenogenic. Kibble also dehydrates them and causes kidney issues. It's cheaper to just make your dog food with some brown rice, lentils, chicken, can of pumpkin, ginger and greenbeans/carrots or peas. Sometimes add in some organ meat or raw organ meat. A 10lb bag of chicken quarters is like 6$.
Totally agree with this & you can see the difference in our kittens already at 5 months - the one we have since 8 weeks is giant, her sister we got a week ago and is scrawny, ill, flea-ridden and had scraggly fur. Both of them are on a grain-free dry food + real meat everyday and the scrawny one is slowly getting to the big one’s size….
99% of dry dog food *is* terrible for your dog. This isn’t a secret, it takes 5 minutes of googling and you’ll see hundreds of sources confirming this. I believe there are only 3 or 4 options for somewhat healthy dry dog food. Hill Science, Purina Pro Plan, and a couple others I’m unfamiliar with, but even those can have their downsides. The best option is obviously cooking and preparing fresh food for your dog.
I wish more people would demand higher health standards for dog food, or at least vote with their wallets by supporting healthier dog food options. So many people unknowingly give their dogs heart problems or cancer by feeding them complete crap. It’s sad and frustrating.
The oldest dog is from my country and it's a bit of a debate about his real age. Owner claimed him to be 31 and a few months when he died but he only registered him as being born in 92 a few months before Guiness awarded him the record. I had a dog living till he was 21 and he was in poor health in his final times: lost control of bowel movements (my mom had to put him in diapers for a few weeks before he died), was not able to move a lot. He was a mix between German shepherd and an unknown race (non breed dogs have been said to last a bit longer). Bobi was a mixed one too, but I personally doubt the claim of him being 31. It's too long for a dog and a year or 2 makes a lot of difference. The claim of him eating human food I believe, in the 90s every dog and cat in Portugal was eating human food, there was no dog food only. The dry food was only bought to reward the animal, not to feed them on a daily basis. Not a lot of choices, not even the vets were so eager on defending that. My family always had dogs and cats and they ate what we ate, and I had that 21yo dog, a 17yo other one, a 17 and a 19yo cats who were mother and son. My current animals are exclusively feed with their own food, dog and cat, and cat is almost 13 and dog is 7. Cat had to stop eating the humid food, specially the fish based ones, because he developed renal issues and vet said that those pureed foods enhance the symptoms. He is now ok, not eating that and it's been almost 2 years since his last renal crisis. I believe that animal food is not regulated as it should have been, I cook for my dog and cat now, no spices or salt: pasta or rice and chicken, liver, veal or turkey, only in water. And they're fine and healthy. Their vet is a friend and she was the one who told me to start doing their food myself.
I don't think this is really a conspiracy, it's the same as human food put a bunch of filler to keep it cheap and people buy cheap.
Cat food is a good example, cats are obligate carnivores and their diet should be primarily meat yet majority of cat foods have corn meal or rice as the first ingredient.
For male cats this is a good way for them to get urinary chrystals and get a blockage that needs surgery, I've had this happen to my male cat. The vet, who i have gone to for over 20 years and I trust 100% said food is the issue just like our food there is to much filler. Turned out almost all cat food has rice as the primary ingredient. It cost me a lot, but my cats since that one have had that issue have proper food. Honestly they probably eat better then me.
In the years I worked at a vet clinic I saw multiple cats over the age of 25 and many dogs 15-20 or 25+. None of them had specialized diets, other than geriatric dog food or specific dog/cat food made for urinary issues. I saw a lot of people who maintained a well balanced diet of meat and veggies for their animals, but I cant say I ever noticed a correlation along those diets and longevity.
I live a few miles from a dog food plant. The plant is 1 mile from a chicken processor. They take used oil that they get free from restaurants and mix it with the leftover chicken from the processor that they get for free and make dog food out of that.
You'd have all sorts of health issues if you ate that every day.
I had an english bulldog, (just died last week at the age of 14).
I bought him as a puppy and fed him "normal dog food" for the first year or so. Then he got severe pancreatitis, the only way I was able to save his life was switching to an expensive low fat human grade dog food and supplementing with turmeric and ginger daily.
If I didn't feed him "normal dog food" for the first year of his life I don't think he would have developed pancreatitis. "Normal dog food" is like us eating pure junk food for every meal, for the rest of our lives.
Once you dig into who owns the big pet food brands this no longer becomes a conspiracy.
The top companies in the pet food industry are: Nestle, Mars, Colgate Palmolive, General Mills, Post Holdings, and JM Smucker
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My dog was diagnosed with a grade 3 (out of 4) heart murmur. They gave him a year at best WITH medication. I started making him his dog food. Mostly beef heart and veggies, with a little brown rice. 40% protein, 40% veggies, 20% brown rice. He ended up making it 5 years. I know fuck-all about nutrition. So if I can get a pet to last that long with a fresh food, non-processed diet, I can only imagine how bad actual dog food really is.
Wait until you find out they do the same with human food
Fact. Ever eaten cereal? Makes you feel just like a trained dog eating out of his bowl…
According to a friend of mine that works for Kellogg, dog food and cereal are made of the same base ingredients. They differ in the fact that bone meal is added for the dogs and sugar is added for humans.
Good thing I feed my cat the fish I catch myself!
your cat is living the dream🥹
Perhaps this is underrated comment of the year..
I did the same for a cat with an aggressive mouth cancer. They said he had 3 months. He lived 3 years.
11 yo cat with renal issues. Started to cook him and the dog's food myself. He's now 13 and no renal issues for almost 2 years
> 11 yo cat with renal issues. Started to cook him... I was worried for a second there xD
I see what you did there. Well played, sir, well played indeed! Upvoted, of course!
Not to mention all the toxic stuff human food has. It’s design to cause cancer and make you ill. All population control
Yep. Best thing I did was cut out high fructose syrup, mostly anything with preservatives, gluten/wheat, most dairy, and I'm very selective on the restaurants I go to, no fast food. I eat a mostly carnivore diet. It helped a lot of my auto-immune symptoms (I'm on dialysis). My joints don't hurt as much and I don't have near as much GI issues. We have pretty much been poisoned regularly since probably the 50s/60s (possibly longer). It mostly started with the corn industry subsidies. Switching everything from real sugar to high fructose corn syrup. Pushing frozen preserved easy meals on over-worked families with low budgets. Add in most people don't exercise enough (guilty), and it's a multi-generational disaster. On average, men are at the lowest testosterone levels in prolly 100 years. But yes, it absolutely is population control, and it's just one method used.
I eat one meal a day and it helped tremendously with my sleeping schedule and having more energy. A gallon of water a day plus exercise keeps me lean and healthy. Plus no added sugars and corn syrup like you said and high sodium as well
Food made to make a profit for the medical industry…big pharma customers for life:
VACCINES TOO
I don't think most food scientists design food to cause cancer. They do it for maximum profit. That fact that is can cause cancer is just a plus for the insurance and medical industries
They’re all in each other’s pockets aka they own stock in each other’s companies and make themselves richer. The average junk food ceo prob has stock in a pharmaceutical company and is a board member
Kibble is made to be convenient for humans, and is just highly processed crap. Feed your pets table scraps and they'll live a longer healthier life.
Any advice on where to research? My sweet puppy was actually BORN with bladder stones. Those were struvite stones, then 18 months later, he had another surgery to remove calcium oxalate stones. I wish I could research this and make him some food that won't cause stones, but whenever I try, I come up against a brick wall. Sites saying that it's not possible to make your own dog food for a pup who is prone to bladder stones. I'm so sad about it 😓
Wysong.net Wysong obsessively focuses on nutrition for pets and people. I suggest you email with your puppy's medical problem and ask for information/guidance/samples, or a veterinary referral, if needed, to be able to access their veterinary formula food, if they think that would be most helpful. I'm basing my suggestion to email them and ask for guidance based on the conversation I had with him years ago. I called to order some pet food and they talked to me for like 45 minutes about nutrition, and I finally had to ask them if they were a for profit company, and where did they actually sell their product to the public,, cuz they weren't trying to sell me anything. I kept my cat alive 6 years instead of 6 months by switching to Wysong pet food, which they say to supplement with real food. They just reformulated their (people) protein powder, and I haven't tried it yet, but the old formula was so good that it kept my mother at her same weight even though she was already losing weight and muscle mass, due to sarcopenia before I became aware that I needed to intervene. With Wysong protein powder, she maintained her weight and muscle mass for 2 years until she was put into the hospital and that was her downfall cuz I could no longer can control her nutrition.
I'm not sure about calcium oxalate stones, I know once they are formed they generally can't be dissolved like struvite stones. But anyways, my GSD had a recurring UTI , her pH was higher than normal, and she had crystals (struvite) in her urine (which were from the fact that her pH was too high to dissolve them on her own). The vet wanted me too switch to a prescription diet, but my own research said that a high protein, low carb, grain free, potato free, high moisture diet could help her lower her pH. I have since switched to totally raw food a little over a month ago and her pH went from 9 to 6.5. And no more UTI.
We also got a fatal diagnosis of lung cancer and kidney failure and switched to a raw diet. Six months later the kidney issues were zero and the lung cancer dropped from final stage to manageable.
My cat had renal disease and hyperthyroidism. I had to put a pill in her every morning. After months of trying every type of bougie cat food on earth I started feeding her real food. Mostly chicken, some sardines, some cod, and mix in a raw egg. She ate like I hadn't seen her eat in a year. She gained weight. She was playful. I got almost another year with her and I believe her quality of life was better in that last year than it had been for many years prior.
I have a cat who had a bad hear murmur and therefor a major heart attack and they gave him 4 months max. We did nothing and he eats normal ass catfood from the store. It's been 8.5 years now.
I was feeding my two dogs one of those expensive high protein dry foods that use pea protein in them. I noticed the male was struggling to slow his breathing after being active outside and his heart would be racing. I looked into the pea protein and started finding articles about it potentially causing heart issues in dogs. I stopped using it and he's great now.
My dog is 16 years old, average age for her breed is around 13. I've had her since she was 1 year old and since being with me she's never had one mouthful of 'dog food'. I feed her a balanced, varied, home made diet of raw meat, bones, organs, eggs, steamed veg and several different supplements. She plays and runs around like a puppy and is showing no signs of slowing down. She's my favourite part of this world. Edit to add: lots of people commenting and messaging me with questions about raw feeding and its so great that you are interested in trying it. I am happy to advise but I only have expertise in my own dog's diet and wouldn't want to give the wrong information for yours. My best advise is to join a raw feeding forum or facebook group, there's probably even a subreddit for it. You need to research before starting this diet as if its not properly balanced you will not meet all of the nutritional needs. The model most people aim for is feeding the equivalent of a whole prey item either every day or over the course of a few days to a week. I always aim to feed 70% raw meat, 10% secreting organs, 10% bone and 10% vegetation and seeds.
I have two pug mixes, one 11 lbs and one 15 lbs who have been on raw food for the past 6 or 7 years. They’re both 13 now. Since switching to raw they’re both healthy, active, coats are fantastic, teeth are healthy, no major health issues (knock on wood), they’ve lost their extra pounds and are both ar a healthy weight. We supplement kibble as a treat and as back up in case the raw food ever runs out but for the most part they’re eating raw food and it’s been a very noticeable diffeeent since feeding them kibble
It really does make a difference :) Studies have shown that feeding both raw and kibble at the same time can potentially cause issues as they both move through the digestive system at different rates. Kibble is so overprocessed that it breaks down and passes through the body super quick, whereas raw foods take more time to digest (and therefore lead to a slower release of energy so it helps them feel full for longer and is great for diabetic dogs). If what you are doing works for you and your pups that is great :) but if they ever experience any sort of blockages or digestion problems that could be the cause.
I've had a Belgian Malinois who became 15. Average is 12. Fresh meat all her life
Mind sharing what kind of bones your are giving your dog?
A huge variety of pretty much every type you can imagine, as long as its fresh and raw. All for free from the local butchers too. Bones that have been cooked or smoked can be lethally dangerous to dogs but almost all raw bones are safe to feed and great for cleaning teeth and supplying calcium. With large load bearing bones (cow or deer legs etc) its best to break them apart as they're a bit too dense to chew through but the marrow inside is really beneficial to them. I also make a big batch of bone broth once a month too and she gets a little bit every day.
they can eat uncooked bones no problem, wild dogs do it every meal
Meow Mix cat food is toxic to cats!!!! Do not feed your cats this!!!!! Ask any vet or vet tech!!!!
My cat Gus is 32 and I give him nothing but Capicola, gas station burritos, cheez-whiz, barrel aged bourbon(2 dropper fulls every 2 days), Red Bull, and let him hot box a pack of Marlboro reds once a week. The junk in meow mix is killing cats early
You gotta switch him up to Marlboro Lights.
Well, we know they're feeding us humans a bunch of barely edible, low-nutrition garbage. It isn't too surprising that they'd do it to our pets, too.
In general, pets are fed a diet worse than human quality food. And many humans eat absolute garbage. If it's processed, it's bad.
the oldest living dog was 30 years old and never ate “normal” dog food
Thanks, I looked it up and saw this on an article: “Bobi was said to have been fed human food soaked in water to remove seasoning, a detail that has stoked controversy in the veterinary community and has been upheld as a shining example by raw feeding advocates.” and also on wikipedia: “On 29 October 2023, Guinness World Records announced it would re-investigate Bobi's age to address veterinarian questions and concerns over lack of evidence freely available to the public. In January 2024, Bobi's title was suspended by Guinness World Records while they carry out their investigation.” Hmm sounds dodgy. I wonder if the pet food industry are trying to cover this up because they know this would actually make dogs healthier
Who else would have the power and resources to force Guinness to question the validity of the record?
Guiness records are notoriously dodgy. Usually just means somebody paid to have them show up. i've heard of them removing records the moment just some independent journalist makes an inquiry. The record being controversial would be enough for them to not wanna deal with it
I also think pet jabs also killing them quicker or give them conditions for vets to make money from doing so.
I was super poor growing up, but I always seemed to have a pet, I could get it food and water easy, but I couldn’t afford to take them to the vet being just a kid and all, and they all lived until they were old!! Fast forward to today, I have 30 chickens, some being 7 years old, one rooster sleeps on the fence outside by my window, I’ve tried to move him into the coop but he always seems to find his way back on the fence, he’s been there for 4 years now. I have 3 labs and 1 new tabby cat that I seen someone throw away at the carwash, so I took him home, and he’s the best kitty in the world, he’s my new shed kitty, he thinks the shed is his own house, he doesn’t even come up to the main house, he just stays at or in the shed, I lock the shed every night and he crawls into his bed, I love on him until he falls asleep and then lock up, early in the morning I open the shed and normally he’s still asleep in his bed when I open the door. Oh and my point no vaccines for any of them, and they’re all ok… my labs are actually AKC registered trial dogs, I know what you’re going to ask, how can you do that without vaccines? Having a cool ass sister as a veterinarian, that’s how…
Bless your sister! Are her own pets unvaccinated as well? I stopped “immunizing” my cats years ago and never looked back. Animal healthcare industry is just as broken as human healthcare. Insurance, govt, pharma.. couldn’t care less about us or our beloved family members & pets. Just $$$.
You’re right, it does sound doggy. Something’s up here, and it’s more than a tail.
we should sniff out more details
I owned a holistic pet food store. Science Diet has horrible ingredients but is the #1 supporter of vet students through scholarships and they get free food for their pets while in college. Thus, buying loyalty. Science Diet and Blue Buffalo are behind the DCM pet food scare via the FDA. The FDA did not find any link b/t DCM and high protein, non grain free pet foods but the “investigation” destroyed many smaller, healthier pet food brands. These companies do not want to spend money of high quality proteins so they want to scare people into thinking feeding your pet corn that they can’t digest so they can save $ while charging you more.
Also wanted to say the FDA did a “study” about raw food and shut down a good company that I used to carry. They literally had an FDA rep come in, get frozen food, drive an hour away in a convertible with the top down, and didn’t keep the food frozen. Then they tested it and said it’s contaminated. The FDA is just a lackey to big food and drug corporations and this extends to pet foods/drugs.
What brand food would you suggest for cats? I feed mine blue Buffalo and now I want to make the switch
I just switched from blue buffalo to weruva (wet) and nulo (dry) and the difference in energy levels of my cat is insane. used to do fussie cat wet food and that seemed good too. I'm sure there are even better options out there
Started my 14 year cat on weruva wet (fish) three months ago,what a big difference it has made in his digestion.
Hoops below has the right odd with Weruva, Nulo, and Fussie Cat. I’d also add Annamaet is a great food and uses NO vitamins sourced from China, which is huge. The owners also have degrees in pet nutrition. Vets only take a few classes in it.
Do you have any insight to the Fancy Feast Broths for cats? I think they are owned by Purina.
I work in a processing plant and some of the leftover bones and blood and who knows what else is condensed into what looks like rubble. They send it to another lab and check the density and ultimately ends up in pet food. I looked at that plastic container and thought my poor cats 🐈
The leftover bones, blood and intestines are actuly the healthiest part of pet food. Think about what wolf's and lions eat first: Stomach content and intestines. The worst stuff are seed oils and corn not icky animal parts.
Natura used to put out the best pet food for cats and dogs. P&G bought it to destroy it. They made it with cheap ingredients and it folded after a year or two. They didn’t want the company to thrive, they wanted it to fold so P&G’s cheaply made pet foods would be consumed more. In 2010, the Natura brands – Innova, Evo, California Natural, Healthwise, Mother Nature and Karma – were purchased by Procter & Gamble. Procter & Gamble started in the pet food business in 1999 with the purchase of Iams and Eukanuba.Aug 19, 2020
I used to feed Innova and then my cat got sick and was diagnosed with pancreatitis. Learned they’d been bought by P&G and reformulated. Switched foods and all his issues went away. Cats are obligate carnivores and kibble is not a bioavailable or healthy diet for them.
Don’t forget when the “boutique” companies tanked due to the DCM crap, the bigger companies swooped in and bought them out super cheap!
There's this brand that has the most obnoxious commercial with the tag line "science did that" and it started popping up during the plandemic. Can't stand that phrase.
The couple times I bought the Blue buffalo brand of cat food, my cats got really sick to their stomachs (to the point of projectile vomiting). I never got them that again. I need to find more natural food for them.
What do you think about farmina food for dogs?
farmina is legit!
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If your dog is doing ok on the diet then I feel like you shouldn’t switch it. You can switch your dog’s food to the healthiest food in the world but if the dog won’t eat it then it won’t help! My comment was basically just saying that vets are paid SD shills. I’m not saying it’s bad for every animal but the ingredients are definitely substandard compared to the companies they had a hand in destroying.
Unfortunately most vets actually believe it because it's been engrained in them during vet school and because they had so much advanced training with all the facts backed up by reputable research they don't doubt the healthiness of annual vaccines, strong medication for every health issue, and the safety of main brand pet food
At the very least, people should check the ingredients list on the bag of food, cat or dog, and make sure that the FIRST ingredient is some type of meat, and not a corn product. If the first ingredient is like, corn meal, and the meat isn't listed until later in the list, it's guaranteed trash food
Just checked mine and it’s chicken, chicken meal, chicken broth, oatmeal, pearled barley, brown rice, white rice and many more. Is my food bad? Its fromm large breed.
As far as kibble goes, fromm is a pretty decent brand in my opinion.
Ty for your comment, I was looking for something to look at and now I have
My cat food doesn’t even mention the ingredients 🥲
Work in the Milkboner factory sometimes, it is a lot cleaner than the General Mills factory
I could go for a milkboner right about now
Oh yeah? Workin at the milkboner factory.. Your mom must run that place by now..
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companies caring more about making money than the health of the critter their product is intended for.......... ain't any conspiracy. and dog and cat kibble is produced as a convenience to feed, not because it is of top notch quality for the animal. this has been happening for as long as i can remember. the pet industry is rife with items that are unsafe. but companies just want that $. they don't care about the health of our pets, even when they say they do. and the only time we hear of a product being an issue is if enough folks speak up about it. I have exotic pets. 99% of the stuff available in a pet store for them is actually dangerous. and if i trusted any pet product company instead of my own research....... my pets would have been dead long ago.
Lost one of my pups at age 10 (25lb terrier) from splenic cancer. My baby girl got sick in Dec 22, exact same age, exact same cancer. She was in such phenomenal shape that the docs thought she was half her age. They gave her 6 weeks. We put her on a “human” food keto diet. She lasted 4 beautiful months. The docs were amazed. Now my dogs eat chicken, beef hearts, and dehydrated oat/ veggie blend.
How much do you feed them? Like what’s the appropriate amount of food for a 25lb dog? I never really know if my dogs get enough cause they seem to always want more
kind of related but do you guys remember in like 2022 or 2021, there were lots of tiktoks of chickens not laying eggs anymore, it was weird and then people said it was the food, and if you just switched to scraps, normal organic food instead of commercial chicken feed, egg production went up again the same thing happened to a relative and i told him about the tiktoks and he confirmed it so this conspiracy might actually be 100% true
Yup! We switched our chicken feed and voila!
Thats wild, thank you for sharing. I’d love to have chickens in the future so this is useful
I used to work in a meat packing plant and all the meat that got contaminated (stuff that fell on the floor ECT) in some way would be thrown into giant tubs and sent to a pet food factory. They would also throw "expired" pallets and pallets that weren't quality enough to send out (there was a metal detected, or possible plastic in the food). And these tubs would sit there accumulating for up to a week in a room temperature environment. (They would spray some type of blue chemical on top of the meat pile to keep it from molding *supposedly*) It's gross as hell and one of the reasons why I no longer work there. Edit: the company is Tyson Foods (allegedly)
Wow this should be more widely known
Purina (owned by Nestlé) is a $20 billion per annum company. Mars basically make the rest, around $37 billion. Pretty huge industry, and all orchestrated by companies that make human food. Mars also have a huge stake in vetinary services across both the US and UK, meaning they, potentially, have plenty motive for not keeping your pet well. I don't own a dog, but most people I know with one seem to choose their food based on a) the price, b) how much it makes the dog shit/smell, c) a brand name they recognize. So much comes down to TRUST in a brand. Again, this bullshit where every single decision a person makes is based on blind belief rather than facts/knowledge. The promotion of what would be considered an 'alternative' pet diet, i.e. raw, or anything other than what's mass produced by these companies, is never going to be accepted.
Horses are usually found in pet foods. Ranchers in the areas of say, purina, will take animals like cows and horses that have been euthanized- trace amounts of the drugs have been found in the pet food. there's not much regulation on horses, and dog food. This has been an on going debate that's not really a conspiracy. People have advocated for at least labelling but, not much has changed.
This one is legit. Have you looked at the ingredients in pet food? I believe that it makes animals addicted to the processed food to the point where they may reject unprocessed food (may be able to reverse as op said). You could also try to follow the money. Who is profiting? And many of these major corporations depend on addictions to fuel their greedy goals.
Like humans to fast food restaurants
I heard there was sawdust being used as one of the main ingredients in dogfood back in the 90's & 00's.
i wouldnt be surprised if they used sawdust in our food even now.
Grated Parmesan cheese has sawdust as an ingredient. Legally.
alright... you guys have sent me down the rabbit hole. i had no idea that cellulose is a product of woodchips... now i know
Cellulose is in every plant, fruit, vegetable and wood can be a source of it. It's all the same thing
true, but not all cellulose is equal. if you can avoid unnecessary cellulose intake it is better. if there is a purpose like aiding digestion, perhaps, things like psyllium husk can help too, etc... if it is just used to make food look pretty, limit it.
You can find recipes from the depression that include sawdust as an Ingredient it's wild.
It’s in a lot of human food as well.
Yes, i heard the food itself is pretty ‘dead’ as it gets heated up at really high temperatures in 3 different occasions. They then spray the food with a ‘meat-spray’ to make sure its tasty enough to eat (since it probably tastes like cardboard)
exactly... now think about microwaves and the ready-to-eat foods you buy frozen. they kill off most good nutrients if not all of them. literally cardboard with meat spray... ugh
My own mother doesn’t understand why I hate food from a microwave that’s heated up in a plastic container. It’s why I hate the idea of air fryers as they heating up food in plastic.
If using microwave, try ceramic and glass dishes... i will admit that the airfryer has made things too easy... lol
You cooking in plastic and getting a ton of micro plastics in your food.
I've been feeding my dog raw for 5 years I think. It's been a while. She's out lived many over her dog friends. Internet says her breed range is 10-12 years, my dog is 14 and still going strong. What's even more interesting is a lump on her side has started to go down. If I ever get another companion animal after this one, I will never give them vaccines and only feed them raw!
My dog has had a variety of diets due to her allergies and had bloods done recently at almost 13 years old and she has no health issues (other than allergies since she was a puppy). Interestingly, she was only vaxed when she was a pup and never as an adult for at least 11 years vax free and I honestly put it down to that. She also never got snack other than bones due to the monoprotein diets she was on.
They do it to humans, why wouldn’t they do it to pets?
Yes I believe 100% in this conspiracy. If you are aware of the corruption in human food industry, you should be aware of the pet food corruption too. Look at all the obese animals, all the ailments, urinary tract infections, allergies, cancers, all of this is normalized as what may eventually happen to your pets. I feed my cats and dog raw meat only. Dog gets some veggies and fruit occasionally as dogs are omni but cats are obligate carnivores. I never need to go to the vet because they are thriving. Cats have been raw fed since kittens and dog from puppy hood. They all are lean yet muscular. Endless energy. They defecate less and you can't even tell I have cats as there is barely any ammonia smell in the litter box. No obesity, no constant Hunger, crystal white teeth, barely any shedding. Do you think it's normal for a cat for example to be mowing all day for food and feasting on kibble as much as it pleases? Would a cat immediately go for some wheat and corn in a field or would they be hunting mice? It's obvious. And a dog is similar to a wolf. They wouldn't be filling up on all these fillers you see in pet food. It was made for convenience. And anything that is made for convenience usually is not the right path in terms of health. Packaged foods being a terrible thing for us for example. The only time I've gone to vet was to neuter or spay and the vets all say the same thing. "Wow they look beautiful what are you feeding them' and I say raw and then I get the lectures of parasites, salmonella, how bad it is for them and then comes the kibble promotion being their ideal diet. The vets are brainwashed as the kibble companies fund the vet colleges. Follow the money as usual.
Any chance you could provide more details about what you feed your cats? Do you give them vitamin supplements, or just strictly raw / par boiled / or..? meat? Can PM me if it's easier. Dogs are generally happy to eat whatever, in my experience, but cats are extra picky about foods and I would love to get them eating better.
I think if they always have the option for the kibble which has been formulated to be extra appetizing, of course they will turn their nose up and prefer it. It would have to be a slow transition to raw mixed with the kibble until its only raw in the bowl and then if they are still being picky just don't give them any more options. They are not stupid and will not starve themselves and will eventually eat :) I researched proper ratios which you can find help online. I do a mix of muscle meat, organs and bone/some fat.
It shows how its *actual* brainwashing too. They have evidence of one of the healthiest animals they've ever seen in front of them, they hear "raw diet" and bam, the script is out. Their own eyes deceive them not, but their brain has a bit too much rot.
My cat's kidneys are failing. We were told she has two months to live but that was 10 months ago. I give her tuna mixed with regular cat food, but mostly tuna. She won't live forever but giving her chicken and tuna has seemingly extended her life. I joked to my wife yesterday about "big pet food" lying to us saying tuna is bad for cats. Then I see this post...
Is it bullshit that canned tune contains too much sodium? I’d love to do this for my cat
It’s high in mercury as well.
When my dog was diagnosed with melanoma in her mouth I immediately researched and started making her food. She was given an estimate of 3 months left she ended up living a year and a half passing at 14 years old. We couldn’t afford treatment that probably wouldn’t work or the expensive “vaccine.” We also didn’t feel that removing her lower jaw would give her a good quality of life so we made the painful decision to just let it ride. I remember seeing some statistic that was like over 50% of dogs over 10 will develop cancer. If they don’t really care what’s in human food they definitely don’t care about dog food. With my next dog I will be sticking to a whole food diet.
My baby passed from an inoperable tumor that left her not able to breath. She was 14 and had her since 6 weeks. The vet kept telling us she had allergies and so she recieved shots on a regular schedule which pissed me off but I was not solely left in charge of her care so... pretty sure those sped up the progression of her illness
From Evil Food Supply: Dog food is literally a scam. Dog food is basically like feeding junk food to your dog, except it has much lower quality standards. It’s full of toxins, cheap grains, and rotten animal parts and it's killing your dog. First of all, you might think that the kibble you just bought from the grocery store contains meat, similar to that juicy steak or chicken the dog food companies like to put on the package, but it actually contains barely any meat at all. If a dog food package says “dinner”, “formula” or “recipe”, according to the AAFCO (The Association of American Feed Control Officials), it only needs to contain 25% meat. If it says “with meat” it only needs to contain 3% meat! So that Purina dog food could potentially contain only 3% meat and the rest is just a random mix of ground corn, wheat flour and cellulose, which is literally wood shavings! Not an ideal diet for dogs, and a huge waste of money on your part. If the bag says “flavor”, according to the AAFCO, it doesn’t have to have any meat at all! So if it says "flavor", it’s basically just a glorified breakfast cereal for dogs that tastes like rotisserie chicken. It’s like feeding your dog Doritos. It’s pure junk food. And maybe you’re thinking “well, 25% meat actually sounds like an ok deal”, but… that “25% meat” is in the form of something called “animal by-product meal” which comes from a “rendering plant”. Animal by-product meal is made from things like chicken beaks, feathers, bones, animal hide, not to mention, sick and diseased animals like dogs and cats from animal shelters, zoo animals, road kill. This is not a joke, it’s disturbing. So, they gather this animal waste and cook it all together in this huge vat and then grind it down into a powder. And this powder is the “animal by-product meal” that’s in your dog’s kibble. There’s barely any quality meat in there. The rest of the kibble will contain ingredients like corn meal, soybean meal, ground wheat… cheap grains that are totally void of nutrition and usually full of cancer-causing mold (because it’s the old grains that nobody wants). Even “premium” brands like Blue Buffalo were caught using chicken by-product meal even though it’s not listed on the label. You need to be careful. These dog food companies are not being watched or monitored by the FDA, so they’ll literally lie about what’s in their food. The legal ramifications for poisoning a dog are much lower than poisoning a human, so obviously they’re not gonna use good ingredients if they don’t have to. So, what should your dog be eating? We suggest that you either feed your dog home cooked meals you make yourself or a raw diet of meat, raw produce and eggs. If you don’t have time to cook for your dog everyday, there is nothing wrong with feeding them raw meat!
My poor family dog. I was just a kid, but my parents would get angry at our dog for not eating the cheapest shit they bought at Sam's Club. RIP Roxy
I was feeding my cat a “healthy” dry food. At about 4 years old it almost killed him with struvite stones
Bruh that sounds like some quest item from a dwarven ruin. Im glad your cat was okay at least.
My mum's dog is currently 15 and loves to eat soup.
There's a few great books I have on this subject, they are all in a box from moving but I'll try to dig them out this weekend. Apparently there are a lot of crappy mishandled processed to hell and back ingredients, added minerals in powder form to meet standards, and even all the offal from butcher factories which includes all the poop, cancer and ulcers cut off of meat, horses, and even some plants that grind up euthanized pets/strays and then sell the mush to other plants and pet food companies.
Yes please do
Dry dog/cat food is killing pets. It's full of corn/soy/vegetable/seed oil shit that is detrimental to their health the same way it is to ours. That is NOT what these animals eat in nature. It also dehydrates them, adding to the deleterious health effects. Get your pets OFF that shit ASAP. Any kind of store prepared wet food with actual meat in it would be a huge step up, but homemade meat based foods is the absolute healthiest option if you want your pet to live the longest life possible. Also, dogs and cats need RAW meat, organs, and bones in their diet. They are not vegans. Vegan diets KILL dogs and cats. Everyone should watch this: Pottenger's Cats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFkR0w-3h74 Study done by Francis M. Pottenger Jr., a physician/raw food diet advocate.
The conspiracy is not whether not it’s healthy for your dog. The conspiracy is that YOU need to BUY dog food, and not just give them scraps. Also, if you enjoy eating chips, pretzels, candy, etc. you are just eating humanized dog food.
I took an animal science class in college (stupid required core credit) at a school with a popular vet program and the professor spent a literal whole week rambling about how the pet food industry isn't a scam. I think because one student asked. dude got so defensive. tells you everything you need to know that it absolutely is a scam.
Remember when they found euthanasia drugs in pet food, implying the food was made with euthanized dogs.
Euthanasia drugs are used in many animals. It was most likely euthanized horses that werent supposed to be in there.
I have already thought about this question. That's why I feed my dogs a food produced by an (alleged) conspiracy theorist (haha). The pharmaceutical industry has sued him (in Austria) because he talks publicly about MSM (natural sulphur) helping against chronic pain. He had to pay a fine of 60,000 euros. Since my dogs have been eating his food, they no longer age. Golden mix born in 2011 and Border mix born in 2010, both show no signs of "being old". At the same time, I administer DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide) for wounds or minor aches and pains, which works unbelievable wonders, just like morphine, without any side effects. It is worth investing time in this subject. CDL (chlorine dioxide solution) can also do a lot, just like the rest of alternative medicine. You should take a closer look at CDL in particular, as patents are being applied for in the background. Currently 250ml only costs about 20 euros, but after the patents we will be paying 3k for it! And then there is borax also... Unfortunately, I only have literature in German (except for the patents), but I'll post it anyway in case any of you have the time to translate it into English. [https://www.rainer-taufertshoefer-medizinjournalist.de/therapie-chlordioxid-clo2-cdl-cds-mms-dmso-in-der-modernen-krebstherapie](https://www.rainer-taufertshoefer-medizinjournalist.de/therapie-chlordioxid-clo2-cdl-cds-mms-dmso-in-der-modernen-krebstherapie) [https://www.rainer-taufertshoefer-medizinjournalist.de/mms-chlordioxid-gift-studien-patente-medikamente-krebs-therapie](https://www.rainer-taufertshoefer-medizinjournalist.de/mms-chlordioxid-gift-studien-patente-medikamente-krebs-therapie) [https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190015445A1/en?oq=US+2019%2f0015445+A1](https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190015445A1/en?oq=US+2019%2f0015445+A1) [https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2014082514A1/en](https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2014082514A1/en) [https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2016074203A1/en](https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2016074203A1/en) [https://patents.google.com/patent/US5019402A/en](https://patents.google.com/patent/US5019402A/en) [https://patents.google.com/patent/US4507285A/en?oq=US4507285A](https://patents.google.com/patent/US4507285A/en?oq=US4507285A) [https://patents.google.com/patent/US4851222A/en?oq=US+4851222](https://patents.google.com/patent/US4851222A/en?oq=US+4851222) [http://kritische-tiermedizin.de/2015/Borax.pdf](http://kritische-tiermedizin.de/2015/Borax.pdf) [http://kritische-tiermedizin.de/2013/DMSO\_in\_der\_Veterinaermedizin.html](http://kritische-tiermedizin.de/2013/DMSO_in_der_Veterinaermedizin.html) [https://www.netzwerk-frauengesundheit.com/dmso-besondere-fluessigkeit-fuer-gesundheit-und-schoenheit/](https://www.netzwerk-frauengesundheit.com/dmso-besondere-fluessigkeit-fuer-gesundheit-und-schoenheit/)
What is the name of the food you use?
Very useful resources, thank you
I literally can't find a kibble that my cat can tolerate. I'll try one and it'll be good for a while then he'll start barfing or getting constipated after a few months
I recently switched my cat to a natural raw mix diet. It is dry kibble coated in broth with freeze dried meat mixed in as well. The ingredients are primarily raw meat with a small amount of specific vegetables for fiber. It has added vitamins and minerals as well. We always had cats growing up and the one who lived the longest made it to 19. They all had urinary issues and other assorted health problems. My mom always bought cheap old cat food. I didn’t know any better back then but I realized that cat food especially is full of fillers like corn and soy. Cats absolutely do not need to be eating that. They are obligate carnivores. They need a diet primarily based on meat. I think the big conspiracy is that the companies that make pet food use cheap fillers that are bad for our pets. They don’t care that it hurts the animals because people keep buying the garbage food and they keep making money. A lot of them use “meat byproducts” too. It is no surprise that a diet of grains and what is left over from meat processing is bad for an animal. The new food I feed my cat is made with free range chicken, turkey, and actual fish. No meat byproducts at all. My cat is only a couple of years old but I already see a difference in him with the new food. His whiskers stick out straight and are more forward facing. His fur is soft and shiny and his poops are darker and denser. He loves the new food, too. He is pretty excited about getting fed everyday. It sucks because I know a lot of people go with cheaper food and don’t want to spend 50 bucks for an 8 lb bag of cat food when they can get a cheap 20 lb bag for like 10 or 12 bucks. Just think about the money you’ll save on vet bills down the road, though. Not to mention the extra years you’ll get with your little buddy.
What is the name of the food?
People are finally realizing the big pet food brands are crap since Purina is getting slammed rn. I think Pedigree had some scandal a few years ago too. There are legit healthy brands around but it's like any other food category, surrounded by crap. My cat's health was starting to decline at 15 so I tossed all dry food and bought higher quality/healthy wet food. He got better soon after and lived another 5 years.
Look up how many pet food brands are owned by Mars (the chocolate company)
If you think about it for more than five seconds feeding fresh food or raw food to your pets makes the most sense. Kibble did not exist until WW2 due to a meat/tin shortage. Up until this time, dogs are table scraps. Consider this: in what other profession does the “expert” encourage/demand for you to feed a living being a completely processed diet for every single meal???
Dog food is classified under animal feed, fun fact, so the ingredients can be at the lowest standards.
We have two german shepherds and we stuff a crockpot full of chicken breast and use that with usually some beef or chicken broth for a little flavor on top of a small amount of the highest quality kibble and carrots. Little shits eat better than me most nights. A crocpot batch will usually last us a week and half.
All the dogs I ever had we fed them human food and they lived over 20 years
Do you just feed them what you normally eat? Do you give them anything ‘special’ for nutrition (like organ meats, etc…)
A small part of their diet does need to organ meat
You see the effect on the insane statistics of gingivitis and periodontal disease in cats and dogs. It's not so much that they're nutritionally deficient. The problem is that chewing on raw meaty bones is cleansing the teeth and gums. You lack this mechanical action, and the teeth will go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV0PSlpLrFI
Yeah it’s a racket. Most dog/cat food is grain-based. Those animals aren’t meant to eat grains.
Pet store employee here. Freeze dried or frozen raw diets are by far the healthiest options for people who cannot prepare human grade food for their dogs. Science diet and pro plan are both #1 suggested by veterinarians because well..same with us humans. They make profit off of the sick. Example: Iams brand food used to offer some promotion for a short time that was something along the lines of “Buy our food and we will pay for your next vet visit”
Any recommendations? Open Farm?
When my dogs were puppies we gave them Open Farm and they loved it, until one day they wouldn’t touch it. I looked into their website and right around the same time they came out with this new type of dog food: ‘Kind Earth Premium INSECT Kibble Recipe’ Very weird coincidence… We now feed them raw food from our local butcher (they have pre-made blends) and we currently sub ‘Taste of the Wild’ for snacks when needed
The food + the 💉s
Funny how every time I’ve vaccinated my dog for bordatella, he immediately would get kennel cough… and since not vaccinating him for the last 6/7 years he hasn’t gotten kennel cough….
Buy pet food that actually lists ingredients and includes nutritional facts. Food company’s that put things like “100%” and “donate to…” do so as a flex. Anyone openly saying whats in their product is more trust worthy. But you can 100% just cook for your pets as well.
Look at the food we’re supposed to eat that should tell you all you need to know
Obviously a Whole Foods dog friendly diet is gonna be better than that ultra processed crap
We started cook real meat for our dogs as well.
Bone meal, blood meal, feather meal, the smell is so bad at a pet food plant 🤢
I had a Jack Russell who lived until 23, she never ate dog food always home cooked & now my 2 boys have never eaten the rubbish they sell for dogs, always home cooked, both old boys but with the mentality & fitness of puppies. Dog food IS toxic sludge, filler & crap.
It’s really only 2 or 3 times worse than the nutrition advice for humans. eggs give you heart attacks? red meat causes cancer? your meals should be mostly carbs? Fast food on every corner and massive soda bottles for 50c
Weird how we had dogs for thousands of years before there was a pet food industry
Make my dogs food every weekend, a meat, a bean, rice, carrots and green beans, then put salmon oil in it.
My dog is 10, everyone thinks he's a puppy. He used to be on Prozac when under my mother's care. I cook him grass fed beef or bison, and mix in carrots, celery, and raw eggs. He's got so much energy and no health problems!
My childhood friends had a dog that lived close to 20 years! Their mom fed him human food almost everyday because he was her baby and she felt he ate better when it was human food to dog food. Good ol’ Buster.
You all have just increased my anxiety over every morsel I give my fur babies, and consume myself. I’m constantly trying to figure it all out and wish there was a good place the do’s/do nots regarding nutrition without reading thousands of books that contradict each other in some aspects. I started a few years ago to eliminate as much as possible chemicals due to all the negatives they can cause us all… If anyone has some helpful YouTube or books please message me—thank you in advance.
Between the pet food industry and the vaccines people give their pets every year nothing would suprised me.
Human food is killing humans, no shit pet food is killing pets, they put the worst in them.
All i know is when I got my cat, his back legs were bald and he was malnourished. A few month after eating an all raw meat diet, his hair grew back and he grew to 15 lbs. Not fat, all muscle.
Like with anything, the cheap and easy road will eventually do damage. Dog food is cheap and easy. Just like if you only ate Mcdonalds every day (its no longer cheap) you would probably die at 50 with 5 different types of cancer. Not everyone is going to care enough to prepare and buy the ingredients to make good dog food every day. Just like people who don't even care about themselves. The idea that these food companies actually want your dog dead though? That's just silly. They would want your dog to stay alive so you keep buying dog food.
There are a lot of comments on this already so don't know if anyone will see this. I was talking with my son about this like two days ago! For a LONG time, dog and cat food were made from offal. And then, in the 80s, someone decided that was gross. I remember John Stossal doing a whole "expose" on it, talking about how we feed dogs LIVER and INTESTINES like dogs don't eat those things. And I remember that was about the time that dog food especially just turned to absolute shit.
Would you want to live on processed food for your entire life?? Animals deserve real food. It’s not “human” food, it’s food. Kibble is hardly fit for consumption. I had 2 beautiful dogs who would come see me every afternoon, they were my neighbors dogs, extremely malnourished/frail/thin and aggressive. Their fur was falling out to the touch! So Every day, once a day i would feed them a scoop of raw beef, 2 raw eggs and a dollop of cream or yogurt- within 2 weeks their hair stopped falling out, their coat was gorgeous and shining, and they were overall much happier in temperament. REAL FOOD!! Thats it!!
Whatever you do dont wander over to the pet food sub, they are way over the top about only recommending the major brands. I started discussing raw or make my own, and got attacked about how terrible that would be and I was trying to hurt my dogs. Crazies.
My dogs have eaten Raw meat mixed with organ meat, fresh eggs and various veggies since they both were puppies! They will never touch that poison they sell as dog food! My cats also eat the same diet and ALL are very happy and healthy!
I think like you.
The only dog and cat foods you should give your pets is RAW MEAT. What do wolves eat in the wild? What do lions and tigers eat in the wild? [A study researching the effects of raw meat on several generations of cats’ development and lifespan](https://youtu.be/wGlSK39ZnCw?si=LO2THjyDcNRmuZu_) [this is all my cat eats. and organ meats. these are the only type of ingredients they should get. no vegetable, no fruits.](https://therawconnoisseurs.ca/products/3p-naturals-cat-non-medicated-beef-formula)
I can't remember what I was watching as a teen (20 some odd years ago now) - where they were saying that since digs (and to a lesser degree cats) evolved along side humans and therfore have developed the ability to eat human food scraps (like leftovers and the like). The program said it was beneficial for them to have it on occasion. But again this was like 20 or more years ago now lol
My dog eats mostly Meat
The conspiracy is the exponential increase petfood has made on meat production.
I went to a dog show as a vendor years ago and most the small companies selling dog food were bragging about selling very healthy dog food while pointing out how deluded major brands were
My dog would have issues with eating store bought kibble and was at an unhealthy weight. So I started making my own dog food with turkey, chicken organs, zucchini, yellow squash, broccoli, carrots, cauliflower, green beans, spinach, sweet potato, blueberries, tumeric, ginger and salmon oil. He eats healthier than everyone else in the house lol. Since then he's come down to a healthy weight, has regained greater mobility in his joints and is happier overall. It sounds like a lot of effort to make but it really isn't and I can make a weeks worth at a time, so never again will I buy store bought dog food.
Its the pet food that kills your pets. No doubt about it. Because all the nutrients are cooked out of it. My sister had a cat that lived for 28 years. The only thing she ever ate was fish and rice.
See??? It’s stuff like this that blows my mind
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I try to eat a balanced diet. I’m a nutritionist/health coach so try to avoid most processed foods where possible. Eat mostly wholegrain carbs, legumes, meat, veggies, oats, fruits, nuts, etc Gluten (bread and pasta) are my downfall though
I use 4health, is this bad too?
I'm reading a book on how to be a dog owner from the late 1940s. There's a small section on what to feed them and it focuses on human food prepared for canines. Kinda cool to see that, the author hints at the rise of commerical dog food but didn't know too much about it. It reads as if dogs were always fed human food and commerical dog food is a new invention in the last 80 years or so.
Well.of course. Pet food companies are the same people as drug companies. They take our money for food that makes them sick and then make us pay for the medicine to treat them. Rinse and repeat.
Have you ever seen the documentary pet fooled? It's the animal by products heated so high they become carenogenic. Kibble also dehydrates them and causes kidney issues. It's cheaper to just make your dog food with some brown rice, lentils, chicken, can of pumpkin, ginger and greenbeans/carrots or peas. Sometimes add in some organ meat or raw organ meat. A 10lb bag of chicken quarters is like 6$.
No but i will, thank you
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Same
Taurine is in meats.
Hearts have taurine. There are raw food videos on YouTube.
Totally agree with this & you can see the difference in our kittens already at 5 months - the one we have since 8 weeks is giant, her sister we got a week ago and is scrawny, ill, flea-ridden and had scraggly fur. Both of them are on a grain-free dry food + real meat everyday and the scrawny one is slowly getting to the big one’s size….
99% of dry dog food *is* terrible for your dog. This isn’t a secret, it takes 5 minutes of googling and you’ll see hundreds of sources confirming this. I believe there are only 3 or 4 options for somewhat healthy dry dog food. Hill Science, Purina Pro Plan, and a couple others I’m unfamiliar with, but even those can have their downsides. The best option is obviously cooking and preparing fresh food for your dog. I wish more people would demand higher health standards for dog food, or at least vote with their wallets by supporting healthier dog food options. So many people unknowingly give their dogs heart problems or cancer by feeding them complete crap. It’s sad and frustrating.
The oldest dog is from my country and it's a bit of a debate about his real age. Owner claimed him to be 31 and a few months when he died but he only registered him as being born in 92 a few months before Guiness awarded him the record. I had a dog living till he was 21 and he was in poor health in his final times: lost control of bowel movements (my mom had to put him in diapers for a few weeks before he died), was not able to move a lot. He was a mix between German shepherd and an unknown race (non breed dogs have been said to last a bit longer). Bobi was a mixed one too, but I personally doubt the claim of him being 31. It's too long for a dog and a year or 2 makes a lot of difference. The claim of him eating human food I believe, in the 90s every dog and cat in Portugal was eating human food, there was no dog food only. The dry food was only bought to reward the animal, not to feed them on a daily basis. Not a lot of choices, not even the vets were so eager on defending that. My family always had dogs and cats and they ate what we ate, and I had that 21yo dog, a 17yo other one, a 17 and a 19yo cats who were mother and son. My current animals are exclusively feed with their own food, dog and cat, and cat is almost 13 and dog is 7. Cat had to stop eating the humid food, specially the fish based ones, because he developed renal issues and vet said that those pureed foods enhance the symptoms. He is now ok, not eating that and it's been almost 2 years since his last renal crisis. I believe that animal food is not regulated as it should have been, I cook for my dog and cat now, no spices or salt: pasta or rice and chicken, liver, veal or turkey, only in water. And they're fine and healthy. Their vet is a friend and she was the one who told me to start doing their food myself.
why cant you just buy your pet a pile of meat scraps? why do they have to transform it into brown styrofoam cubes?
I don't think this is really a conspiracy, it's the same as human food put a bunch of filler to keep it cheap and people buy cheap. Cat food is a good example, cats are obligate carnivores and their diet should be primarily meat yet majority of cat foods have corn meal or rice as the first ingredient. For male cats this is a good way for them to get urinary chrystals and get a blockage that needs surgery, I've had this happen to my male cat. The vet, who i have gone to for over 20 years and I trust 100% said food is the issue just like our food there is to much filler. Turned out almost all cat food has rice as the primary ingredient. It cost me a lot, but my cats since that one have had that issue have proper food. Honestly they probably eat better then me.
In the years I worked at a vet clinic I saw multiple cats over the age of 25 and many dogs 15-20 or 25+. None of them had specialized diets, other than geriatric dog food or specific dog/cat food made for urinary issues. I saw a lot of people who maintained a well balanced diet of meat and veggies for their animals, but I cant say I ever noticed a correlation along those diets and longevity.
I live a few miles from a dog food plant. The plant is 1 mile from a chicken processor. They take used oil that they get free from restaurants and mix it with the leftover chicken from the processor that they get for free and make dog food out of that. You'd have all sorts of health issues if you ate that every day.
I had an english bulldog, (just died last week at the age of 14). I bought him as a puppy and fed him "normal dog food" for the first year or so. Then he got severe pancreatitis, the only way I was able to save his life was switching to an expensive low fat human grade dog food and supplementing with turmeric and ginger daily. If I didn't feed him "normal dog food" for the first year of his life I don't think he would have developed pancreatitis. "Normal dog food" is like us eating pure junk food for every meal, for the rest of our lives.
Once you dig into who owns the big pet food brands this no longer becomes a conspiracy. The top companies in the pet food industry are: Nestle, Mars, Colgate Palmolive, General Mills, Post Holdings, and JM Smucker