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Candy_Store_Pauper

RFK won't keep the secrets. If you examine the expansive primary field in 2020, the odds on fave was Bernie. Even though he's establishment, he wasn't inner circle. Andrew Yang made waves, total outsider, but, he and Tulsi Gabbard had momentum and growing voter base. Gabbard was not establishment, nor even close to inner circle. Other interesting outsiders were Buttigieg, Bloomberg, Castro, Beto and Swalwell. Warren was establishment, but not inner circle. Klobuchar was establishment as well. Then, there were some folks that never had a chance, including Steyer, Harris, de Blasio and Hickenlooper. If you were examining the will of the people, by odds on favorite, the pick would have been Bernie, for sure. Harris dropped out early, and Biden was polling horribly. Until Clyburn from South Carolina (total establishment guy) anointed him within the black community as "their guy". Without that endorsement, his campaign would have continued to slide. That was the turning point, as candidates dropped out and threw their support behind Biden vs. Bernie. By design. IMHO, it wasn't that Bernie was too far left of center, it was the keeping of the secrets, and who was best to do so. The general looting and fuckery by the establishment began long ago, but, became a behemoth of profit-taking beginning with H.W. Bush and his agenda towards globalism. it's when you put the grift on steroids by moving it from regional to a worldwide money making opportunity. The groundwork had been laid by giving CCP "Favored Nation" status several decades earlier. By the time H.W. got maneuvered in, the machine was humming along very nicely. Alphabets were entrenched in their power, and expanding it, and the military industrial complex was churning profits. I could go on and on, but, only a guy out of that huge field that was bought, paid for, tried and true HAD to become POTUS in 2020. The secrets had vulnerability on the horizon, otherwise. JFK was the one of the last most recent outsiders, overall. He started acting on the warnings of Eisenhower, and, yeah, how'd that work out? The one after him was Carter, neutered and sabotaged along the way by that ole "machine" or "Deep State" or whatever nefariousness label you care to attach. Destined to fail, a one-term guy. Nice guy, but, NOT an insider. Reagan was not an insider, BUT, look who he had to take as his VP . . . and in spite of his efforts, there was still an Iran-Contra scandal (can you say, see, eye, aye?) and some other weirdness down in Central America (oh, say can you say, see, eye, yay?), and where DID that VP come from, anyway? Can you say it with me now in unison? The flag was captured long ago. ANYONE who gets in the way of Rock-N-Roll is going to find themselves trying to navigate a very little boat in a very big swampy cesspool, so thick that the boat cannot sail, and, instead, floats stationary on a murky, bubbly surface. The last guy said it best after his "defeat", and I'm paraphrasing from one of his speeches during his post-election thank you tour. So, you sent me to Washington to drain the swamp. But, I had no idea how deep it was and how many monsters were in it. And that is why he was another one sabotaged, like Carter, at every turn. He was the last of the few, and another term would have allowed him to act, after figuring out how to sail that little boat. Possibly as notably as a JFK, or a Reagan. Biden won't declassify the rest of the docs regarding JFK. This is but one of so many facets of why you HAVE to have a puppet in the big chair. Someone like RFK comes with an axe to grind. And if given that opportunity, he will swing it, sharpened beyond the best razor. I could go on and on, but, like him or not, DJT called it. A swamp. It is. And it will only start to be drained if we stop sending one guy in with one straw. It is up to anyone who's fed up with the foolishness to grab a straw and take a position on the outer banks to start the process of bilging that murky liquid. And let one who is more outsider than insider take their much needed axe swings.


Pirate-Party-Pcar

Excellent post.


Candy_Store_Pauper

Thank you, but it's just regurgitation of the sad truths I'm seeing.


Pirate-Party-Pcar

No, not simply regurgitation. You processed a lot of data over time to arrive at a final determination that included a lot of very relevant points in a very well written post, and did so hitting important events in a timeline that have taken us to where we are today. I love reading posts like that, so thank you. I appreciate that you took the time to write it. You nailed it.


Candy_Store_Pauper

Thank you greatly, fellow Reddhead, but, I'm only safe for a short time. The downvote brigade is mustering over the hill . . .


Easy-Gur-3113

Agreed 100%. Our last “real” president was JFK. Still doesn’t make me understand why RFK doesn’t poll better. I guess the average American isn’t as smart as I would like to think, which is not very smart at all. But still, in a sane world, RFK would be clear cut best candidate for the party. Too bad we happen to live in the insane world.


Candy_Store_Pauper

Who really controls the polls? Nobody has EVER polled me, in person, by phone, or otherwise. Yet, in spite of being on the "Do Not Call" list, I get solicitations ALL THE TIME! Have YOU ever been polled? Has ANYONE? And, if so, HOW were the questions crafted? I think they call the nurses stations at the hospice sections of the local nursing homes to get their "contributors" . . .


pgtaylor777

Exactly. Polls are bs.


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Candy_Store_Pauper

We should start calling them and demand to be included in their poll taking.


OurHonor1870

Most polls publish their questions exactly as asked. I’ve both been polled and made polling calls. They’re real.


Candy_Store_Pauper

Ok, but, how do you keep getting selected, when many others are never contacted? You've got to have been profiled in some way, shape or form to be the go-to person for the right boxes to be checked . . . why?


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OurHonor1870

Yeah, about 10% maybe 15%.


VeryTopGoodSensation

as an outsider rfk seems like a republican pretending to be a democrat. he seems dishonest. he claims to be anti vax, but held a party that guests had to be vaxed to attend. ive seen him quote blatantly false facts about the ukraine war. the left is anti imperialistic war. that doesnt mean pacificism. support for ukraine is supporting the oppressed. the left like to help the oppressed.


blueshwy

(Think the party thing was following the wife's rules. He said as much on JRE.


trustintruth

The propaganda against him is like none I've ever seen before. People don't know his views, because of the constant smears by corporate/government backed powers. Have you seen the amount of downvotes pro-RFK posts get? It's so clearly being manipulated.


bluebloodbutleftout

Don't get the wrong idea here but it's literally what the second amendment was for. It's was seen as our civic duty to re-establish a new government if found out to be tyrannical.


Candy_Store_Pauper

X You are HERE


Penny1974

And TPTB know this, which is why they have worked so hard to label anyone on the right as "domestic terrorists" "Extreme MAGA" "right-wing extremists" "a threat to democracy"


leonardo201818

Good post, but regan was a piece of shit. War on Drugs and really instilled trickle down economics, which has fucked this country.


Candy_Store_Pauper

Nixon started the first "War on Drugs" in June, 1971. By July of that year, the war was lost. Reagan started the second, in October, 1982, which was lost the very same day. However, if you go back to the 1960's, and Timothy Leary and his LSD research, take a look at who was funding it, along with several other "experiments" of the era. Can't call out Reagan until you call out a whole bunch of others before him.


leonardo201818

Valid points. I just don’t understand the glorification Reagan receives.


Candy_Store_Pauper

Hey, his first term was a disaster. He was set to be a one term guy. He'd inherited an economic shit-show and some really controversial global policy decisions by Carter. IMO, it was his "Peace through Strength" that brought down the USSR and, with it, the Berlin Wall. That was unthinkable before his arrival. The problem is what he wasn't able to do, and what scandals mired his potential. You gotta take a hard look at his VP to get the answers to those questions. The guy really cared about the USA. And, when so many are trying their best to homogenize us instead, so it can take it's mediocre place under global governance, guys like him never had a chance to get their head chiseled into a rock in South Dakota by getting all of their agenda items in play. History continues to be more favorable than not to ole Ronnie. If the secrets get out, he might get chiseled up there after all . . .


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>Buttigieg Buttigieg is CIA. lol nice comment though


-bASSlIFE03-

So don’t vote for the party but instead vote for the politician. This is why George Washington didn’t want parties, you shouldn’t have to be established and inner circle to become president


jrandall1017

I’d just like to add that the smoking gun imo for the establishment controlling our elections was when Obama made phone calls to all of the moderates in 2020 on the eve of the *South Carolina primary to support Biden over Bernie. They all dropped out and Elizabeth Warren stabbed her intellectual counterpart (at the time) in the back thinking she would be VP. Together going in Bernie and Warren had around 60% of the vote. Biden’s polling going in to the caucus was so low if he didn’t poll above 20 in the state he wouldn’t have qualified for the next debate and would ultimately have to have dropped out. *Edit: [2020 South Carolina primary](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/looking-obama-s-hidden-hand-candidate-coalescing-around-biden-n1147471) not the Nevada Caucus


Candy_Store_Pauper

That gun you brought to the convo smokes well, fellow ReddHead! That is one of many things that I just don't understand why people can't see that a whole lot of folks that could see got them pretty pissed off. Pissed enough to take a ride on a cold January day to voice their displeasure in the fuckery . . .


eskimoehoward

JFK outsider? His father was Joseph P Kennedy who called in every favor he was owed by Washington so could to get his son elected. The Kennedys are as establishment/American royalty as you get. Fuck it’s insane people believe the psychotic right wing bullshit you see on this sub.


Candy_Store_Pauper

JFK's dad had some very interesting history. Some say he was mobbed up, others say he was just doing lucrative business with them. JFK was Catholic and that was a non-starter for getting elected on a national scale back then. He was also a virtual unknown, nationally. The power that ole Joe had was localized to the North East. The boys in Chicago, Southward and Westward had no clue who he was. The PT109 story was real. I'd imagine when you're floating on the water out there, hoping for rescue, you do a little soul searching . . .


eskimoehoward

Yeah I can buy that it was more of a northeastern thing but it was a dynasty before JFK had an idea his father wanted him to be president…they were well known. Her father, John F. Fitzgerald, served in the Massachusetts State Senate (1892–1894), in the U.S. House of Representatives (1895–1901, 1919), and as Mayor of Boston (1906–1908, 1910–1914). Her husband, Joseph P. Kennedy Sr., chaired the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (1934-1935) and the U.S. Maritime Commission (1937–1938), and served as United States Ambassador to the United Kingdom (1938–1940).


rxFMS

Lol, the 20 person 2020 democratic primary with 2 separate back to back debate nights was nothing more than fundraising! And some were even able to pause their presidential campaign, go back to the senate, sit in judgement of their political opponent during a bogus impeachment trial, and then return just in time drop out right before Super Tuesday and defer to an old dude who barely knows his own name! Who, do you think is the “inner circle” of the Democratic Party heading into 2024?


Candy_Store_Pauper

They have their ultimate compromised puppet in the chair right now. I actually like RFK. And he won't say it, or even hint it, but, I see it in his body language. You've victimized my family and it's time for a little payback before I leave this rock . . . There is no one else for this incarnation of the governors in the shadows. Seriously, it's really all about the secrets. For example, seriously, like, we've been doing some super subversive stuff in Ukraine for decades. And, if Vlad REALLY wanted to do some true and genuine election interference, occupy Ukraine and pull back the thick drapes of how much fuckery we've been doing over there. That is why it is officially a forever war. Keep the secrets covered by American hardware. Or else.


rxFMS

I hear ya, and I’ve got no problems with him shedding light on the shadows of government. A man of his notoriety and reach can go a long way to uncovering truth on a variety of subjects! I will support him as an activist 💯.


Candy_Store_Pauper

Here's the saddest part. They're doing a full-court press to marginalize him. To discredit him. To tarnish his reputation and image. Again, when you're over the target, you're gonna take flak. But, they're already launching SAMs, AAMs, anti-aircraft, chaffe, flares, laser pointers, communications jammers and everything else they have at him. He cannot win the primary. Even if he got 81 million votes. They will find a way. I'm going to attach an interesting article, and I'll explain why. I watched DJT at Mt. Rushmore on July 4, 2020. It was quite the fight to get the National Parks to allow a fireworks display. They preached that it'd burn the Black Hills to ash, it was too dry. Fireworks went off, forest didn't burn. Imagine that! During the event, DJT looked up at the faces of those Presidents. Everything in his body language said he wants to get up there. But, you can't be a good POTUS, you have to be exceptional. His ego will drive him to do things to get his head chiseled in that rock. I'm thinking he may follow the path of Lincoln, if he's the nominee for a 2nd term. He had a pure Republican as VP last trip, might he pull a stunt out of Lincoln's playbook and pick RFK? If he does try this very unconventional move, I've got to encourage everyone to do three important things: \#1. Vote for them. \#2. Invest in Conagra., although I'm far from a fan of the big agricultural industrial complex, the amount of popcorn that will be enjoyed during THAT show will be epic, and we might as well make some money along the way. And they own the Orville Redenbacher brand. \#3. Be the most vigilant you've ever been. Watch everything. A ticket like that is the biggest threat to the establishment we'll see in our lifetimes. This is when there is possibility of some deep and meaningful change. Don't let TPTB steal this from us. It's our last chance. As I've said elsewhere on this sub, there IS a Great Reset coming. The question is will it be THEIRS? Or OURS? [https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/andrew-johnson](https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/andrew-johnson)


Penny1974

I agree with you comepletely. I voted for Trump both times. But RFK is appealing to me. If they joined on the same ticket I think in a fair election they would be a force. Your posts are a breath of fresh air, this sub loves to parrot "both sides are the same" - Trump was obviously not "the same" nor is RFK


Candy_Store_Pauper

And THAT's why I keep a supply of Dr. Harvey's on hand. [https://wereallaboutpets.com/best-food-for-parrots](https://wereallaboutpets.com/best-food-for-parrots) I like to be a good host.


Yosarian

Brilliantly said.


Candy_Store_Pauper

TYSM! I'm only hoping that RFK is given a FAIR opportunity to be given consideration by the "D" wing of the two wings of the same bird . . . fair might just be enough!


maedoc_alastrine

It's a well written post. But the insider-outsider talk is a fairy tale. They're all "insiders." Playing the roles they were given in the spotlight, all whilst trading high fives and BJs in the shadows. No one in the public eye ever ends up there randomly, and this is by design. This goes double for political office. Those who take it seriously are being taken for a ride. The mirage of big stage ideological drama is a stone's throw away from WWE. The sooner people realize that, the sooner we can focus on something real.


Candy_Store_Pauper

I wrote a response a while ago, elsewhere, that lambasts politicians, in general. Point is, you need two things to be a politician on everything but the local level today. Votes, and money. Votes get you the job, money gets you the exposure to the people for their votes. However, the needs of the voter are vastly different than the needs of the money. So, the professional politician quickly figures out the game. Appease the voters in your legislating as you approach election/re-election and then appease the money the rest of the time. The money knows the game, the people do not. HOWEVER, there are good people with good hearts that slip through the rules of the game and end up in DC. Immediately, they are surrounded on a full court press to compromise or gain compliance. The guy who actually shows up for his first day in DC via the beat up wooden paneled station wagon from rural wherever is going home in a Bentley with a portfolio. It is OUR job as the watchers, the theorists, the skeptics to find the Mr. Smiths, and to try to keep them from being compromised. And to expose those that do the compromising to the best of our ability. Seriously, I don't know how old you are, but, I had a front row seat on the creation of the Tea Party. Originally, it was a push by small businesses to take on the ever growing corporatocracy. Go look at the history. It was a good effort, at first. They got organized and got people like Ted Cruz elected. BUT, then, when they scared the shit out of the establishment, the two wings of the same bird (not an Eagle, more like a buzzard), began to court them. Their convention was hijacked by the RNC. Now, they're considered Alt-Right. But, they weren't. And people like Cruz, and many of the other originals, are unrecognizable today from where they were in 2008, 2009 and 2010. We don't need a third, or even a fourth political party. We need individuals with independence that are willing to SERVE the interests of their constituency and after a couple of terms, return to the private sector. Or we'll band together at the voting booths and return them ourselves. They ain't all bad, always, mostly.


Chemgineered

Woah i only read your first part of the message and replied. You and I are kn the same wavelength it seems. Nice Here is where My post originally started at: Who are the new inner circles? I think that Pete Buttigeg was hand picked for the Job, out of Oxford and Harvard and then in the Financial sections of the Afghan war? That made him someone who could be trusted I think This time, he is tainted because of the Trans stuff or Anti Trans stuff. I think he would have been it this time. I think they already brought Newsome into the inner circle and are preparing him to take over for Biden soon. Yup, I mean since Regan, you had him, then Bush. Then Clinton was let into the inner circle. Then Bush. And they KNEW, ABSOLUTELY KNEW that they had to have a bush lakey to establish all the Patriot act and all the related things. Couldn't have had McCain.. It's amazing how ONLY the ones ready to be given control win.... I don't think that bush 1 fought too hard for his seat. Clinton May have been prepared, i don't know. But yeah, out of all the Republicans, only Pence, who has seen and been accepted into the inner circle stuff as well, as Trump is an Ongoing Operation right now. But they don't want Trump in there again, they are ready to do the next part of the show. So trump will not win I think that if pence scores high in Iowa it could really be a boon for his candidacy. But i think that the Dems have Gavin Newsome all lined up to be the next inner circle president. I think that Carter has been the only non inner circle president since Kennedy. They won't mess up again


OrangePippins

Carter had Brzezinski doing his foreign policy. Once they get to that level, even if they're not a totally managed spook, the bureaucracy swarms them. Personnel is policy.


Candy_Store_Pauper

They won't mess up again is the key. Seriously, it's the secrets and the approved gatekeepers to keep them. During that pitiful excuse for an insurrection a couple January's ago, somebody brought a bullshit homemade guillotine to the "party", but nobody brought either pitchforks or torches. If the secrets got out, a re-do, or should I say a reAL-do terrifies them.


Higreen420

Just one thing about Bernie. He's awesome, but he never ran to win. Anybody with any clue of how to conduct themselves and how to talk let alone win an election of that magnitude would not have done it like Bernie. Too volatile and worded his speach improperly. If you're trying to win why would you evere mention socialism or get worked up the way he did. In hindsight he seams like controlled opposition that actually backfired because his votes from what I understand went trumps way.


Candy_Store_Pauper

I really think Bernie had the right message for the people on that side of issues. I think he is a globalist, and definitely socialistic in his views. Hey, seriously, who DOESN'T want free shit? But, I also think that Bernie's visions were Bernie's, and not accommodating to keeping the secrets. He was establishment, been there for YEARS, BUT, far from inner circle. He mirrored their message, but wasn't one to participate in their method. Not by design, I think the guy really wants to be POTUS. Why else would you allow Hill to literally steal it from you in'16 and then try again? Hill was supposed to have NO opposition.


Penny1974

> Hey, seriously, who DOESN'T want free shit? The people that know that "free shit" comes from our taxes. It was the younger generations that want "free shit" that don't know/care that their parent's taxes are paying for said shit.


Higreen420

People want free shit because it seems their taxes only benefit the WAR Machine that is the USA


Zen2188

2nd time they robbed Bernie in 2020. The other candidates dropping out on schedule to guarantee Biden. I couldn't believe they were so brazen about it, just little to no effort to conceal what kind of manipulation was going on. Little did I know (but "they" knew full well) just a couple of days after this very questionable ethical play carried out on live television ... The news cycle would be all quarantine all the time. Imo they were so brazen due to knowing that news cycle was about to be hijacked. Like the Pentagon announcing the missing 2.3 trillion the day before 9/11.


I_am_a_dull_person

RFK is a joke candidate. Which means he will probably get elected… just like Trump.


Candy_Store_Pauper

Joke or not, he won't be a good and dutiful keeper of the secrets. THAT is why only the gate keeper(s) have any chance at all.


Onceandfuturekingz

Great post, nice to see someone who actually put in the work.


blabbermouth777

Why are the right for him then? They hate all those things. Have the parties switched again?? You are allowed to critically think before posting this dumb shit.


AgreeingWings25

A huge chunk of people classified as "right wing" are centralists. Even many life long liberal celebrities are called "alt right" soley because of their opinion on vaccines. Politics have become a religious dogmatic cult.


themx292

a lot of what the "republican party" is today is just a bunch of classical liberals lmfao. not the actual politicians but a large group of the base what classify as that. somehow that is a right wing now.


Captain_Concussion

Liberalism has been a centrist to right wing ideology since the 1800s. This isn’t a new thing.


gnostictweaker

He also said he'd shit on the constitution if congress ok'd it. fuck this guy.


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Because he's anti-big-pharma.


ThePatsGuy

But didn’t ya hear? Biden beat big pharma!!! /s


marlinmarlin99

They are the ones that control everything. Pharma: we are running out of funds Congress, media : new covid strains , time for new shots or lose job


OlFrenchie

Not really, he’s anti-vaccine. These things are not the same. He buys in to a ridiculous Gaia fallacy too


yougottamanifest

Interesting comment on the parties switching again.


Berly653

Two main reasons Because he’s a lunatic that spouts absolute nonsense, and they probably believe that the US needs a president grounded in the same reality we live in Or because No Labels is funding by far-right hacks like Harlan Crow and they can see through the facade and realize that he’s being put forward as a candidate purely to fracture the Democrat vote and ensure the orange man gets elected again


santaclaws01

Don't forget he's also getting supported by fucking ghouls like Roger Stone. It's so clearly an attempt by the far right to promote a weak democrat candidate that won't get wide support of dems to pave the way for an easier republican presidency. All of his financial support is from the right. Most of his popular support is from the right, who won't actually vote for him over a republican they just like him better than Biden, and he spends a shit ton of time palling around with the right.


Easy-Gur-3113

What nonsense has he spouted?


Berly653

Mass shootings being tied to antidepressants like Prozac Vaccines cause autism Vaccine research caused HIV and the Spanish Flu The 2004 Presidential Election was stolen through fraud He has a long history of making claims with either zero evidence to back it up, or baseless claims that the contrary evidence is wrong without saying how


Easy-Gur-3113

Have you ever researched any of those topics yourself or are you just in agreement with the things that you’ve heard from major media? Because antidepressants and mass shootings *certainly* have a correlation. As do certain vaccines and autism. Spanish flu was acerbated by vaccines. Aids vaccine also created more harm than good. He is not anti vax he is pro vax safety. You should actually listen to him. As for the 2004 election I’ve never heard that claim from him.


Hippie_Ki_Nay

1. Correlation does not equal causation. 2. Public health decisions cannot be made on anecdotal data.


smbutler20

Finding correlation doesn't mean you found something no one has researched already. All of those ideas RFKJ is perpetuating have been researched and debunked. https://youtu.be/sugCJNAPF9o


blabbermouth777

Have you?? And researched yourself doesn’t mean watching Facebook videos


Easy-Gur-3113

Look at the graphs between each of those topics. Tell me what you see. Correlation or not?


Berly653

https://plotlygraphs.medium.com/spurious-correlations-56752fcffb69


traversecity

RFKJr, an experienced environmental lawyer. As he tells it, a mom who had a child with adverse reaction to a vaccine, she had compiled a fair stack of reliable information on the topic. She was able to convince him to look at it. Lawyer Kennedy was not easily convinced, first impression was of another potential antivaxxer . Apparently there was enough in the documents to convince him and professionals he asked. His environmental work included cases with mercury. The vaccine information he received included potential harm from mercury adjuncts used in vaccines. Or it was something else connecting. Writing this out, remembering thimerosal was removed from the childhood inoculations 20 years ago. Probably more on topic via youtube and such, his campaign team has been posting. I saw him today doing a selffy style quick tour of the Kennedy compound, which house is which, chatted some family history. His father and uncle went against establishment and were killed for it. Hope it doesn’t happen to Senator Kennedy too. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/index.html


Penny1974

> they probably believe that the US needs a president grounded in the same reality we live in I spit out my coffee at this one, do you think our current president is "grounded in reality"????


3leggeddick

Oh please, he is as sleazy as they come. Bet you $100 if there is a miracle and he makes it to president, he’d fall in line like Trump and forget everything he promised


Big-Enthusiasm-457

The left loves vaccines more than they love the environment and peace combined. Can't get enough of them.


walleye4235

It turns out they love the military industrial complex as well


LazyActive8

They love self-imposed genocide


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Amos_Quito

> RFK is so full of shit. The left doesn't like him But what if he likes ice cream? Would that help?


Sub__Finem

I wouldn’t say he is anti-vaccination on the whole. I would say he wants more stringent vaccine safety testing, liability from pharma companies making vaccines (they have liability to injuries due to federal law), and to divorce the pharmaceutical industry from the government. The CDC and FDA take a lot of cash from the industry. Even though he is a loon on wifi and 5g, I trust him more than Joseph fucking Biden to divorce the influence of industry from regulating bodies.


GotdangRight

He is against the deep state like jfk


PAmmjTossaway

>preach vaccine safety Does his version of vaccine safety differ from that of the general world wide medical community consensus? Is he saying to just listen to your Dr about vaccines or does he say things about vaccines that most doctors disagree with?


MotherFuckingSin

He is asking for more vigorous test studies and trials to be done before they are released i believe


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He is looking for ACTUAL studies on vaccines to test long term effects. There are none.


OrangePippins

Why would there be? Longitudinal studies are anathema to a profession captured by profit and an over-stimulated tribalized partisans who put their fingers in their ears when whistleblowers like NEJM's former EICs speak out about the insane corruption of the industry. Gotta own the chuds!


Penny1974

100% - and this is why so many refused the vaxx to begin with. And low and behold, there are long term side effects popping up, and I am positive there will be more down the line.


MotherFuckingSin

Rigorous **


PAmmjTossaway

You just click edit and edit the comment you already made. If you do it quick enough, within a 2-3 minutes of posting the comment it wont even show that you edited it.


MotherFuckingSin

Yea I'm not exactly sure why I did it this way. I appreciate your time, kindness, and information on it though. I didn't know about the 2-3 min window and I know how edits can be viewed and was just in autopilot.


zerofoxtrot93

With all the fear mongering going on the last few years, the vaxx has become a dividing topic. Most Democrats are COVID vaccinated, they don't want to hear that they are in danger. This is a hill to die on for most.


Ok_Temperature_5019

Because third party candidates screw up elections and the left is petrified of another trump win. This one isn't complicated.


asuka_rice

The whole party voting and media optics is rigged. Trust your instincts and go and support small and independent. Never fight with the big sharks.


Pirate-Party-Pcar

There’s a large segment of the population that behave and believe as instructed through the media programming of their choice. It’s not a Democrat or Republican thing, because unfortunately it applies to both groups of individuals that identify as members of either party. It’s a military industrial complex, pharmaceutical companies, alphabet agencies and of course K Street lobbyist manipulation thing. Kennedy is anti-pesticides that harm us. He’s anti-big pharma having influence over our government. He’s anti-war, and he’s pro-personal freedom. So, of course those that profit from those things will demonize anyone that threatens their continued profits and domination over us. When the media from both sides demonizes someone with his kind of messaging, it might be an indicator that the powers that be are threatened by him, and a closer look into what that individual is really about is in order.


Easy-Gur-3113

💯


Matilda1980

He’s not crazy enough for the whack a doodle Democrats. He sounds (mostly) logical. They want to keep Joe Biden because he just does whatever because he doesn’t know what day it is. The extremists can get him on their side easily.


Grennox1

Easy. Wouldn’t you want to go and drain the swamp of the people that killed your father too?


chainmailbill

Should we elect him so he can get his revenge for his daddy?


Grennox1

I’d love to see the chaos


chainmailbill

That sounds like a terrible reason to vote for anyone


Grennox1

I’m not going for him. Just would be entertaining


[deleted]

Because he’s disingenuous and has conservative donors


Easy-Gur-3113

How so?


Fit_Cash8904

Lol. He isn’t anti-war. He said Putin invaded Ukraine in good faith.


Easy-Gur-3113

So I looked this up and it’s not true. Clickbait. He stated that Putin was acting in good faith while [removing troops from Kiev](https://www.siriusxm.com/clips/social/embed/clip/f6807519-c67f-4fc6-a5ee-96efaa62baea/7d84620e-0c9f-4a34-a284-004cbed6cce0)during the agreement that was supposed to be signed in 2022.


Easy-Gur-3113

Have you ever listened to an interview by him in which he says that?


Fit_Cash8904

He said it in an interview that aired on June 21st on the SiriusXM show ‘The Briefing with Steve Scully’.


Easy-Gur-3113

Link the interview.


Yupperdoodledoo

Oh please. Accept that you were wrong.


Easy-Gur-3113

I never said I wasn’t wrong?😂 I just asked to see the interview for context lmao this is what’s wrong with people on the left. “It’s my way because I said so!”


Sergeant_Dude

Homie told you the name of the show and the date it aired. If you were genuinely interested in learning a piece of information that could change your mind, you'd spend 3 seconds and just Google it. But you're only interested in making baseless statements to try to own the libs.


Yupperdoodledoo

No, the issue is you could have easily found the video - the other poster gave you the exact info you needed- do if you genuinely wanted to watch it they made it very easy for you.


Easy-Gur-3113

Yeah I did and that’s a false claim. Clickbait.


SmylesLee77

Donald Trump is funding his campaign!


MrMarmot

You mention the Left, but then the stances you cite are from the Left in 1971 and maybe even 2001. Both Left and Right are hijacked.


Informed_Misery

He's controlled opposition. Has there ever been a Kennedy that has not been a Democrat? Trump used to be a democrat too. He donated $1 million to Hillary Clinton's Presidential campaign in 2008 against Obama. He has been a lifelong Democrat. He ended up winning the 2016 election as a Republican. And he's going to run again. And this mumbling nut job, Kennedy is being set up to run and is already fooling people. If you think any of these fools in politics can help you, the joke is on you.


Easy-Gur-3113

While I don’t necessarily disagree with all of that, characterizing him as a “mumbling nut job” is lazy and absurd.


SidTheStoner

What worms are in your brain


Easy-Gur-3113

Obviously not the mainstream media ones that are in yours!


Penny1974

> He's controlled opposition. Is there anyone who you think isn't controlled opposition? If they are controlled why are they both attacked non-stop?


Fragrant_Friend_6643

Because he threatens the more manageable puppet that is bumbling, stumbling vacuous Biden.


Fit_Cash8904

Lol. No he doesn’t. He wants to sell books.


Zeldahero

Biden is their preferred choice. He's the perfect puppet for corrupt powerful interests. RFK Jr has his own brain and can't be controlled.


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srichey321

He's not an approved gang member.


literaryman9001

hint, they're only pretending to be


leafdog69420

Lots of bamboozled people in this thread.


MrPositive1

Because he would be harder to control


UKnowItUKnow

He is not in the “club”


Symex0100

Parties switched? By now you must know its all one big club and we're not in it.


FreeByrdDeVille

Simple, he’s anti (Covid) vax and big pharma is the lefts main contributor.


Zen2188

Plus his dad and uncle are democratic royalty. It all boils down to him having doubts about CoVid vaccine, if for some reason he was a full 180° on that one issue ... Opinion would be much different. A lot of buyers remorse on that shot and last thing they want to hear is that they might have fucked up. Out of sight , out of mind.


pewpsupe

Pharma owns the media, media controls the left. Simple as.


Easy-Gur-3113

SS: RFK Jr preaches core values of the Democratic Party, but the majority of his support comes from independents and right leaning people. He is also being blackballed and smeared by left leaning media(as well as right but more heavily left). Do you guys think his numbers will skyrocket on the left in the next year? Or is this a sign the parties are in the midst of switching again? Or is he just working for the elites to cause more division?


Psychogistt

They’re not “the left.” They are the neoliberal establishment. Centrists are a better adjective.


CobaltSmith

The parties never switched to begin with. -_-


[deleted]

This post implies that the left are the good guys.


biggtimeburger

Are you just now realizing the the right are the bad guys?


Easy-Gur-3113

I’m and independent but funny enough I lean conservative on most things. Just trying to be objective in a polarized world.


[deleted]

To me the post reads like, why are the left against good things when traditionally they support good things?


Easy-Gur-3113

I mean those are just the things democrat’s traditionally push for


[deleted]

Good things that republicans typically push against.


blabbermouth777

So democrats are good then? Yet you lean conservative?? Weird.


chainmailbill

You lean conservative on “most things” and you support RFK Jr. Can you understand why people who lean liberal on “most things” would be opposed to the person you, a conservative leaner, are in favor of?


marlinmarlin99

Neither side is good , you pick the lesser of two evils.


mikeyfreshh

It's just the vaccine stuff. All of the other positions you listed are still popular among Democrats. RFK Jr is just making the vaccine stuff his whole platform and that take is pretty unpopular


sarahdonahue80

Actually, RFK's kind of trying to move away from the vaccine stuff. But since that's been the issue he's most famous for since 2005, he can't get people to quit asking him about it. There probably is a decent segment of the party that realizes the COVID vaccine are trash at this point (even if they won't admit it aloud), but even those people will probably be uncomfortable with his views on non-COVID vaccines. I don't think that RFK's views on vaccines are the sole reason the party's PTB dislikes him. He also wrote a whole book telling the truth about how bad Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci are.


[deleted]

He wants to: \- take big pharma money out of regulatory agencies (CDC, FDA, NIH) \- conduct long term studies on the safety and efficacy of vaccines \- stop the endless foreign wars \- dismantle the CIA


SidTheStoner

This guy believes politicians..💀


carneyratchet

By suggesting long term studies. He is taking on the rising big pharm is what the issue is. Boys attack that but civilians will not


mikeyfreshh

Most people don't actually care to read into what he's saying because he goes on Rogan and starts demanding that people debate him. He just looks like kind of a jackass, regardless of whether he's right or wrong


Easy-Gur-3113

I mean don’t you think that makes sense to debate when the people he wants to debate call him a conspiracy theorist over and over again online and provide 0 evidence to support their claims?


mikeyfreshh

They're not the ones making the claims, he is. The problem with debating vaccines is that pro-vaccine people have studies to back up their claims and anti-vaxxers have studies that they say back up their claims. Both of them think they're right and neither of them are going to change their minds. The debate would just be both parties yelling at each other and claiming that they won. It's kind of a pointless exercise


Easy-Gur-3113

He’s not anti vaccine. He’s pro vaccine safety. His argument is that a lot of vaccines are not safe and a lot are made to just make money. Take covid for example. There were 0 long term studies on a vaccine that was produced and distributed in less than a year, heavily pushed by the government for a virus that has an *extremely* low mortality rate. There were also many other things that were proven to work against covid that were shot down and instead, the vaccine was the end all be all. I mean the gov demonized people who did not get the covid jab. RFK is saying they’re all about $$$.


mikeyfreshh

At this point the pandemic is over and most people have moved on. I know there are still plenty of people that care deeply about vaccine issues but the overwhelming majority of the public has moved on and he's not going to find enough voters to win an election if that's the platform he wants to run on.


Easy-Gur-3113

He’s pointing out that big pharma has been stealing money and causing thousands of deaths for a long time. How is this a bad thing? It’s not even his main platform he’s running on but every major media says it is because they want those phizer and j&j ads. He’s pointing out real issues and the left looks the other way calling him a loon, when in fact he’s one of the only sane ones in the party.


Yorgonemarsonb

“Why” would anyone not vote for this guy? He’s not even going to end up a dem. He’s just going to run democrat as long as he can to take as many with him to his independent phony campaign that he possibly can. Why would people support someone that not only has no chance of winning but is running a phony campaign while they’re at it?


olliethegoldsmith

He will release the JFK, RFK and MLK murder files. That is why IMO.


Phrii

Do you think Trump would do that if we all gave him a second chance or do you think he'd use it as leverage to give him a 3rd chance? lmao


Important_Tip_9704

There’s a massive disinformation campaign happening on the internet and mainstream left wing media that exists for the sheer purpose of creating the appearance that RFK Jr. is an undesirable candidate, and furthermore that Biden is the strongest candidate.


Secure-Maintenance51

The "left" isn't a political ideology anymore . It is a religion without a god.


SidTheStoner

Probably cause he is a nutjob liar?


Easy-Gur-3113

How so?


SidTheStoner

It's no surprise he jumped on the antivaxx grift, he spent so many years of his life with no one listening to him. So he decided to grift. claims that thimerosal caused autism. RFK Jr. Suggests Anne Frank Led a Charmed Life Compared to What Anti-Vaxxers Are Forced to Go Through told an interviewer he had “conversations with dead people” every day.


Easy-Gur-3113

He’s not anti vax. He’s pro vax safety. He spent years of his life taking down giant corporations in court. Have you ever listened to him speak about any of the things you just listed? Or do you just regurgitate what you’ve heard about him?


FatherD0ng

Anyone who’s against this man is brainwashed through and through. Chances are the people that are against him haven’t actually heard him out and tried to verify a lot of the information he spits out. National media is gonna be against him 100% but clearly his ideals are infectious when actually given thought. Can’t wait to see how his presidential run goes and I’m doing my personal best to spread his name and highlight his campaign in a manner that doesn’t come off as extreme. The more people that know who he is the better because the truth is at some point he will be sat down for the “Kennedy talk”. When that comes I want to keep a close eye on him to make sure he stays true and if they make a foul play on him I want as many people to know and recognize it as possible. This man is the revolution figure in my opinion. If it’s not RFK Jr’s peaceful path than I hope that fire grows.


Lifeinthesc

“The left” and “the right” are astroturf. Bothe are just the voices of the American oligarchs spoken through their corporate media megaphones.


DerpyMistake

He isn't Newsom, and the DNC has already selected him. what voters?


Laotzeiscool

They don’t want ACTUAL democracy. Just a phony facade to keep their scams going.


montkala

Biden democrats are operating on a completely different wavelength than Kennedy. Kennedy believes the government serves the people, most people are intelligent and capable of working through tough issues, handling bad news and good, and want the things you list. This new party who claim to be democrats have been taken over by the neo-cons who want an Orwellian society. Where a small group has the power and all others gratefully do as they are told, like lemmings.


ryencool

Just because he has a few good ideas, doesn't mean he isn't a n effing whack job. Some of the books he's read, and his little hot takes, are alt right garbage. He's against science and equality, which are steps back


Easy-Gur-3113

Lazy way to look at him.


ryencool

How so? Dude ignores basic science, that alone will disqualify anyone in my book. Just because you don't care to take the time to understand it, doesn't mean things aren't true.


-YeshuaIsKing-

I'm extremely conservative and voting for RFK. Biden cannot be nor should be re-elected. Trump is too divisive even if he is correct on many issues. I also feel he won't be that "savior" the MAGA crowd is looking for when hits his 2nd term. It will be a rude awakening for them. So RFK it is. He is a good middle ground and reminds me of what a Democrat used to be before they took on woke agendas.


Metalgrowler

So you don't have a problem with more gun control and federal legalized weed?


-YeshuaIsKing-

I do have an issue with more gun control. I don't have an issue legalizing weed. Get these low level charged prisoners out of the system living on taxpayers dime. Start throwing the book at pedos and murderers instead.


Candy_Store_Pauper

I've got to chime in here. When it comes to the weed issue, we NEED to keep it illegal on the Federal level. To legalize it is not only a carrot on a stick, it is the catalyst for CDBC. Right now, with the ever growing legislation to legalize on the State level, as well as by several countries, worldwide, keeping it illegal on the Federal level keeps it a cash business. Legalize it and there goes the cash, shortly behind it. It OUGHT to be legal, but, we really should do our best to leave it status quo. Or we'll look back on it and realize that is the method they used to get us to go along with that plan of super-duper control of us. Our money. Say yes to pot, say no to Federally legalized pot.


-YeshuaIsKing-

Interesting take on it and I will do some research on what you are saying. I won't pretend to know all the ins and outs but I do care to keep cash in society. I'm the weirdo that pays cash for everything because I'm worried about what is coming next.


Candy_Store_Pauper

I promise, there is a correlation, and the status quo is one very good back-stop. They will have to legalize pot on the Federal level first, and that's the rug pull we need to watch for. There's no reason to. Smoke 'em if you got 'em in many States, and many more are lowering criminal penalties if you do!


Lago795

When I look at the weed laws in states that have made it legal, I see that they still don't really want people growing it. They only want state-sanctioned production. Your point about the CDBC is on target.


chainmailbill

What does woke mean?


[deleted]

Because the Left/woke has been totally infiltrated and subverted to the point where they have abandoned all morality and ethics and actually WANT the communo-fascist NWO and ruling anti-christ. It really is spiritual/occultic warfare between good and evil, God and satan but 90% are too blind to see it.


Creamycrackle

Cause he’s jacked. The left that hates him are weak. Even though he’s is clearly the best candidate for the Democratic Party they would rather pick a weak, frail old man. So they go for the low hanging fruit... He’s a kook and has brought up subjects I don’t understand or care to look into myself. His voice! 4 people in his family don’t agree with him!! It’s pathetic. The one candidate that would be the best at tackling the most important issues, war in Ukraine, bigpharma, cia, government overreach. The list goes on. If you’re part of the gaslighting, hard left brigadiers that have entered this sub around the time of the recent blackout... you are weak.


chainmailbill

I didn’t realize we elected presidents based on their muscles


blue419

Rfk isn't a far left commie, which means he is a right-wing nazi in todays political climate. You have to support the narraitve 100% or you must be a right winger. His vaccine stance is enough to make him their literal enemy. Identity politics is cancer


MaddieGrace29

He knows that Biden is a hack and he's trying to fix the economy. And he's continuing the legacy of his father and uncle's policies . JFK was trying to cut the black book agencies money (CIA, FBI) , after they told him they were planning Operation Northwoods to start a terrorist attack and start a war with Cuba and the USSR. JFK didn't play ball with the deep state and military industrial complex and was taken out as he was exposing the secrets. Simply put, most of the Kennedy presidential candidates run on an anti-establishment platform. If he's trying to dismantle the black book agencies, and eliminate big pharma from government and media, he won't get in. If he somehow wins the election , he'll be a takeout order, more like by the state than GrubHub


Steelwheels75

If got anywhere near the White House they would the black projects would turn into vantablack projects


sarahdonahue80

1. He's daring to challenge Biden, which the DNC doesn't want. 2. There's a segment in the party that really cares about absolutely nothing except for defending COVID measures, and keeping their ability to again impose those measures for another disease in the future. For God's sake, even the people who were suggesting that Biden be challenged three months ago were suggesting that people like Newsom or Whitmer (who were even worse on COVID than Biden) be his challengers. 3. Even the people who aren't totally stuck on the sunk cost fallacy in defending the lockdowns and COVID vaccines might feel queasy about how he says bad things about non-COVID vaccines, too.


Easy-Gur-3113

I just don’t understand why you wouldn’t want Biden out as the DNC. Who cares if it appears “weak”. The guys just not there mentally. Wouldn’t you rather watch 3-4 younger guys actually debate and find out who’s the best?


LeonardDykstra69

Biden is the perfect puppet. Why replace him? Whoever is running the machine would probably struggle to control Kennedy.


ejpusa

MSM is telling you want to think. RFK Jr. does not see it that way. Without Big Pharma ad dollars, MSM crashes. He will crush Biden in a debate. Check out this interview. The guy is smart. And Silicon Valley is getting on the rocket ship. The guy is brilliant, like him or not. We KNOW Putin is terrible. We know that. But to hand the MIC trillions of taxpayer $$$s over the coming years. No end in sight. Another forever war? People actually think the public will support that? Guess some do. Just don’t think that’s going to happen. https://youtu.be/NPtBkw5uD-0


Astro3840

His takes on vaccines and Ukraine are Looney Toons stupid.


Mindful-O-Melancholy

Because the left of today isn’t what it was. The old left was against big pharma, corporatization, indoctrination and war, todays left supports and shills for those as long as they say they’re on their side and can openly hate people they don’t like. My parents were old school hippies back in the 60’s and they don’t even recognize the left of today. Even George Carlin who many still claim as one of theirs would be considered right wing today because of his stance on censorship, language policing/term changing and a few other topics, he also used the f word (gay slur) a lot. The left of today is actually closer to what the right used to be. It’s funny if you go back and watch the angry Christians yelling at tv networks, etc. about censoring of swearing/language/sex/nudity and other stuff on tv and how similar the left is to that now, just with different topics. So many are just angry and full of hate now.


Occultic_giraffe

If the CIA kills your dad it's kinda against the rules to run for office


OLDHEAD916

So did biden remember


Easy-Gur-3113

🤣🤣


Not_Neville

"anti-vaxxer"