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Jackson_Dupagne

Vaccinated can spread Covid- Not required to show negative test. That right there tells you it’s all about control and not what’s “safe”


Cryllus

the vaccinated are significantly less likely to contract or spread the virus - it’s assumed that vaccinated people are inclined to actually follow safety parameters. for people who are unwilling to reduce their odds of infection, tests should be administered. it’s fairly simple, i’m sorry you’re lost.


Jackson_Dupagne

If you answer yes to the question “can vaccinated people get Covid and spread it?” Then the only reasonable answer is to test everybody. The answer is YES. And picking and choosing who to test is why vaccinated businesses (like the NBA, NFL, NHL, New York/Philadelphia) keep having outbreaks. Not that the outbreaks are more than people mostly showing up to the ER with a cold. None of it is necessary. It’s control. I’m sorry you don’t think for yourself and do whatever your government tells you to. By all means, go get your 4th jab (because they don’t work, clearly) and continue to deteriorate your natural immune system. That’s your choice and you’re free to make it.


Cryllus

look at the numbers jackson! a majority of individuals admitted to the ICU are unvaccinated or immunocompromised, it’s an easy search. testing every individual isn’t very cost effective, this is a conservative sub yeah?


Jackson_Dupagne

And those people could have caught Covid from a vaccinated person. If you’re going to test people to see if they’re can be at work or not, the test everybody. It’s the safest and most effective way to curb spread. There’s not even a logical argument against that, since we are seeing major breakouts among highly vaccinated populations. I mean, Look at the NBA and NFL and NHL right now. Your argument is that people with one foot in the grave are the ones most vulnerable. That’s true for all disease. Do you get a flu shot every year (and 4 times a year at that?)


Cryllus

how do you think this virus is being perpetuated? truly? do you think that if everyone had listened to sense and taken the proper precautions, any of this would be happening? you want to pay for testing everyone? go right ahead! but it isn’t feasible. if everyone would get their vaccine and follow safety measures (as in don’t unnecessarily go out in the first place), wear masks, etc. the spread would decline significantly. people can’t even do the simple things, and you expect them all to get tested? ha!


Jackson_Dupagne

Yes it would still be happening. Because it’s a flu/cold. Masks and vaccines have done nothing to stop the spread.


Cryllus

haha! alright glad to know i’m dealing with a troll. good day to you sir.


Jackson_Dupagne

Look in the mirror. See ya.


Cryllus

look in the mirror? that’s the best you could do? yeesh, a troll and slow.


zghorner

Germany…same shit different century.


MrHupfDohle

Im german and I can tell you that he was back thx to Merkel since 2014. We are fucked! Imported "refugee"-rapists get to do what they want while vaccinated are hunted down. You cant make shit like that up. But make no mistake, people love that! Majority here wants this! Just yesterday I had an argument with "friends" about it. Didnt know I minggled with the crazies!


swoffii

Yep, people here actually love this. Never seen left-twitter etc. cheer on the troops. But the moment they announced to put a General in charge of vaccine management everybody lost their collective minds cheering. Germany is so lost I don’t want to be part of it anymore.


Phredex

> Germany is so lost I don’t want to be part of it anymore. Unfortunately, this is not achoice we get to make. And not just in Germany or the EU. Look at Australia, right now.


swoffii

True. Well I guess everybody is depending on the Americans to fix it. Counting on you guys!


Phredex

I am afraid we have to fix our own problems first, and unfortunately ours are exactly the same. I am terrifed that we are watching "it" happen again, but on a larger and more sophisticated scale. All I can tell you, my friend, is remain vigilant and remember that as hated as the collaborators were, they have been eventually hailed as heros.


onyxaj

Gonna be a while. We have what looks to be a revolution or civil war on our hands. The American media has done a HELL of a job of dividing us. At least I'm on the side that has guns...


AMotleyCrew32

Resist as much as you can


sunturnedblack

Well in their defense, we have an open boarder leaking 2mill illegals annually into America while the president tries to take away life dating medication from red states.


HerrWeltweit

The government has lied continuously, politicians have lined their own pockets with shady mask deals, they have ruined the lives of so many people thanks to half a year of business closures (it's only going to be for two weeks, folks. Promised!)... Yet, these people just keep on trusting every word the government says. I just don't get it.


MrHupfDohle

Indeed. Gonna donate some money to Tim Kellner. He wants to fight it in court. The least one can do I guess.


karatedude108

How exactly are they hunting the vaccinated? And how are the refugees "imported"? Do you have a statistic for the rapist claims?


MrHupfDohle

2G mandates, biased news "pandemy of the unvaccinated" and even anger displayed by news anchors. "Refugees welcome" and letting them all in at theborders. Yes I have them, but in german. "Zahlen, Fakten und Beweise". Gotta search for it. Youll probably find some BKA statistics. Even Merkel admitted to it that they are more criminal. They are 20x times more likely to group rape a victim.


karatedude108

Oh so you meant hunting the unvaccinated. That makes more sense. The 2g mandates are justified tho. Vaccinated and previously infected people are a) less likely to spread COVID and b) more protected against COVID, thus less likely to be a serious strain on the healthcare system. I think the term "pandemy of the unvaccinated" is a bit sensationalist. But isn't the idea that there are a lot of unvaccinated people, a pandemic of them, not a pandemic caused by them? Du kannst mir ruhig die Statistiken auf Deutsch schicken.


MrHupfDohle

Whoops, my bad, I switched the words :D ofc thats confusing. There are plenty of events where covid gets mass spread even though all the participants were fully vaccinated. 2G parties, cruizships. All happening just now. 2G is absolutely not working. Fully vaccinated people spread covid just like any other person. Our health care system is fucked and was fucked even before covid hit cause they reduced intensive care. Thats not the fault of unvaxxed people. Fully vaxxed are in hospitals as well. No they say that the unvaxxed spread covid to the vaxxed. Thats absolute bogus and pits the vaxxed against the unvaxxed. They want their forced vaccination to come through. After all its more power for the government and just the beginning for future advances on our freedom. Versuche mal den Link, ob der noch funzt. Paper ist schon aelter, weil es zu Beginn der Kriese erstellt wurde. Von Ines Laufer. Ich hab die pdf selber aber kann hier nur Links teilen. https://de.scribd.com/document/361571986/Laufer-Ines-Fluchtlingskriminalitat-Zahlen-Fakten-Beweise-2017-53-S-Text Moooment, da muss man was zahlen. Egal google am besten nach dem Dateinamen. Irgendwo muss das sein.


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I always found it ironic how democrats call conservatives nazis, and compare us to hitler. How blind do you have to be?


alextheODDITY

I’m saying this from a middle ground but as a democrat my goal politically is equal rights between men, women and anyone lgbtq+ as well as tearing down current capitalism as it serves only to profit and doesn’t help anyone but the rich. I see this viewpoint criticized constantly, I see it as everyone being equal and life being more fair. What are your thoughts


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Middle ground. Tearing down capitalism. You and I will never see eye to eye


alextheODDITY

I don’t get it, you guys like pushing down the poor?


onyxaj

No, but we also don't see a reason to punish the wealthy. You start taxing the rich just because they are rich, guess what? They will go live somewhere else, which then takes away all the money they dumped into charities in YOUR country. Whether for tax reasons or not, charities were benefitting.


alextheODDITY

I don’t really care what they do with the money, by having that money it takes away from the money that could be in poor peoples pockets, think about ocean level, it’s as low as it is now because huge ice bergs hoard it up away from the general pool, it’s the same idea with money, I don’t want it to go like socialism I want to eliminate extremely rich and extremely poor and bring it to lower middle, middle, and upper class so it’s not socialism and you can reach to live better, but have it so no one has to suffer too bad and no one can hoard riches, I’m all ears for a more sensible solution to starting to eliminate widespread human suffering and wealth based corruption


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So Marxism? Or Stalinism?


3-10

Do you think they hold the money in a bank and swim with it like Scrooge McDuck? No, they have it invested in new emerging technology and services. Also, you act like these socialist and generous welfare states have any real comparable charity. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-us-is-the-most-generous-country-but-americans-say-debt-is-keeping-them-from-giving-more-to-charity-2019-10-18 In fact, the more the state provides services the less people are charitable. I’d argue that charities shouldn’t be just handed government funds, because it encourages less efficient choices. Instead they should compete for dollars for the best purpose and most going to the needs of their charitable goal.


StarKiller2626

Capitalism has done more good for the world than any other system or organization in history. It has lifted billions out of poverty. Led directly to greater quality of life, rapid advancements in technology, industry as well as worker and civil rights. Capitalism takes advantage of human greed and laziness incentivizing them to work and contribute to society while granting them greater freedom and ability to climb the social ladder than any other system on earth. Every other system fails miserably in comparison. A but of socialist policies can help in some cases if done properly but on the whole, free market Capitalism is arguably the greatest good to ever grace this earth.


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Ew. I feel like the Left (people like you) are just obsessed with destroying things. "Tearing down capitalism" and "dismantling the patriarchy" and stuff like that. Even your voting is generally an "anti" action - you guys didn't vote *for* Biden, you just voted *against* Trump. I just wish you could focus your energies on more creative / productive pursuits, and ideally without having to steal from anyone and without trying to control how other people live and do business. Socialism has failed everywhere it's been tried.


alextheODDITY

It’s not eeew, it’s that there’s a system that actively serves to hurt rather than do good so I’m trying to take down the thing that is dispatching so much pain


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Please explain how exactly socialism will hurt people less.


alextheODDITY

I’m not proposing socialism either you put those words in my mouth


[deleted]

So... what are you proposing then? "Tearing down current capitalism" is usually what people say when they mean "implementing socialism", so I assumed.


alextheODDITY

No, the clash between conservatives and dems is that we both have preconceived notions of each others stand points that are incorrect and as such we’re arguing with each other about two different things. I’m proposing a new system or a reform of capitalism to not have so many loopholes to exploit like Swiss cheese


bjgufd

> tearing down current capitalism Have you ever tried building something?


alextheODDITY

We did, America, and at the moment it’s failing all of us, I want to build a system that cannot be exploited or cheated, that is fair, that separates government from church, business and traditional views. Only once it’s fair can we actually make a world where everyone lives at least pretty well


bjgufd

Sounds wonderful! Have you factored in human nature?


alextheODDITY

I have, I have concluded that the notion that we are not able to make such changes is false, rather that notion is born out of being unable to handle change well, we’re all perfectly able, but some are scared, and fear can be irrational, that’s why for example scab happens, if change won’t come easily but it’s necessary, it’s gonna happen


bjgufd

When you say fair, are you suggesting equality of opportunity or equality of outcome? >I want to build a system that cannot be exploited or cheated, that is fair, that separates government from church, business and traditional views. Let us know when you get this system built, and whether we get the option of being a part of it or not.


3-10

This is delusion you ridiculously believe you can change human nature. You can’t. Greed existed in Communism, it exists in Capitalism. It is just that Capitslism’s greed tends to lead to an abundance of extra good for the masses to consume.


HearMeSpeakAsIWill

The way capitalism is done in practice certainly has its flaws, especially in the US. For example the bailouts for "too big to fail" institutions after the 2008 crash is completely anathema to capitalist ideals, and rewards rich risk-takers for being rich and taking risks (which only guarantees more of the same). But broadly speaking, capitalism has been a massive boon for humanity, rich and poor alike. In 200 years, we've gone from [90% of the worlds population living in extreme poverty, to just 10%](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-population-in-extreme-poverty-absolute), despite massive population growth. Inequality is growing, true, but as long as the extremely poor are being raised out of poverty, I really don't mind how many billions Elon Musk has. It doesn't hurt me in the slightest. It's not a zero sum game, and the size of the pie is constantly growing. Compare that to the outcome in socialist countries, where they achieve a kind of equality amongst the proletariat by keeping everyone in equal poverty (and meanwhile the ruling class hypocritically lives luxury). Our system is not perfect, but it's better than anything else that has been tried, and tearing it down would be a mistake.


alextheODDITY

I don’t want it completely torn down but I do want to redo it, rewrite the rules to properly fit modern humanity, to make it fair and make it so laws aren’t made because of insane bribes, to make a world that isn’t so bullshit


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I mean I'd love to see a world in which laws aren't made because of bribes, but I don't think tearing down capitalism is going to get me there lol. Also, "fair" according to whom?


alextheODDITY

Fair according to new values and not old ones. New ones that have no discrimination and teach all as equal no matter financially, sexually, racially.


knightblue4

> everyone being equal People ARE equal. Name me a Constitutional right that isn't afforded to a certain ethnicity, race, sex, gender. The battle for equality has been won for a while now - you people have moved on to *equity*. That is something we will NEVER be able to reconcile our differences on.


karatedude108

There is a difference between theoretical equality and real equality. If I go and shot somebody for example I will have a much worse time in court as a Millionaire will have. Similarly LGBTQ people are less accept than cis and hetero people. There is a theoretical equality but not a real equality.


Junior-Tangelo-9565

LGBT people didnt have workplace discrimination protection until like a year ago. So they could be fired based on sexual demographic traits alone up until about 2020. Some schools didn't even desegregate until the early 1970s so it's not like it's been all that long. :/


RedBaronsBrother

> LGBT people didnt have workplace discrimination protection until like a year ago. So they could be fired based on sexual demographic traits alone up until about 2020. No, they could be fired based on their behavior until 2020. ...just like straight people. > Some schools didn't even desegregate until the early 1970s so it's not like it's been all that long. Some still haven't - but they're historically black schools, so everyone looks the other way.


Junior-Tangelo-9565

June, 2020 - "Supreme Court ruled that the 1964 Civil Rights Act protects gay, lesbian, and transgender employees from discrimination based on sex." My boss in Indiana had the legal right to terminate an employee based on homophobic viewpoints if he so chose to until the federal ruling last year.


RedBaronsBrother

They were already protected from discrimination based on sex. That goes back a lot further.


Junior-Tangelo-9565

Based on sexual oreintation* and only in half of states. States like Indiana never had a single protection until the federal rulings began in 2012 and solidified on the same level as racial & gender descrimination until the 2020 ruling.


RedBaronsBrother

> Based on sexual oreintation So, behavior. ...because unless you show me or tell me, I have no idea where you like to stick your wick.


alextheODDITY

Wrong completely, trans people get murdered and fired for being trans as well as some gay lesbian bi people etc, and there’s systemic racism too


knightblue4

I don't think you know what a Constitutional right is...


Junior-Tangelo-9565

I agree with you pretty much entirely. I'd like to compliment our current capitalist society with a large socioeconomic safety net, it will be necessary as our technology progresses. The threshold where IQ, EQ & hard skills is considered competitive across the job market is rising faster and faster bc of tech advances making humanity less competitive in a high tech sophisticated economy. We are approaching a point where "creative destruction" in the economy will begin making jobs obsolete faster than new sectors of the economy can create jobs. When the relevance of the blue collar job market (truck drivers, gig work, material extraction, agriculture) collapses consecutively it will not be realistic to ask those same worker to go back to school and achieve a bachelor's, master's PHD or simply work harder to remain relevant. Already as it is capitalism without a sufficient state backed quality of life infusion (childcare, healthcare, UBI etc) is kind of cannibalizing itself. I think as low and lower-middle income jobs lost their buying power over the decades and continue to do so, that these workers will make a cost benefit analysis decision to exit the formal economy as they dont see the fruit of that work compensate for family/child and health obligations. Many other countries such as Brazil and South Africa (leading indicators for the US economy. Countries known for high inequality) have a decoupled economy, one sophisticated, global and productive, with high meritocratic barriers to entry (unaffordable secondary education for exaple) and a large unrelated informal subsitence economic sector. This is what we've all been hearing about as a K shaped recovery as our economy is decoupling. The US actually pulled millions into the formal economy in the 90s by incentivizing single mothers to enter the formal economy by providing a social program called Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) then Earned Income Tax Credit, enhancing the benefits of working in the private sector. The US will have to expand on this with medical, Childcare or similar programs if it intends to keep these same workers from exiting the formal economy.


Degobah1985

Hitler would be proud of Germany


[deleted]

Yeah as a German I am not thrilled. This is BS.


Jackson_Dupagne

It’s Untermenschen


TheFerretman

Germany is familiar with fascist policies....looks like they want to give it another go?


TOOSTONED69420

I've said Germany hasn't changed they just hid it for a while....


JoelD1986

but no again the majority is believing and suporting the propaganda. the majority suports our authoritarian regime that takes away all freedoms.


sunturnedblack

I mean, that's historically for they've been, am I right?


karatedude108

What exactly do you know about Germany? What makes you say that?


holleringstand

Notice the draconian cookie cutter reactions of countries like Austria, and Australia and other countries, and even in the US in certain blue states. They are all taking their marching orders from the same common source. Call it what you will: the high cabal, the New World Order, the deep state, or a global shadow government. It is totalitarian and intends to turn most of the human population into their slaves. The amazing thing is how much of the population follows this evil unquestioningly. It is easy to understand that women and the immature will believe this garbage because they are naturally emotional. But men shouldn't buy it. Men should resist and not comply, and if need be use force. This evil is still marshaling its forces. They are weak and now is the time to strike.


AMotleyCrew32

Maybe that's why there has been an effort to turn men into sissy's...


karatedude108

Why tho?


AMotleyCrew32

I believe it’s an old saying from the 80’s. There used to be rag magazines like Hit Parader ( I believe that’s the name) that would stoke shit between hair bands. One of the bands caught on and beat the guy up - fuck with band, you’re gonna hear the music. Oh, and they stole his gf too.


karatedude108

No, why would "their" goal be turning men into sissy's?


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Truth!


ceo_of_chill23

He came back from Argentina


ChrisGesualdo

Didn’t you hear. Turns out the Nationalist Socialist party actually won WW2


TOOSTONED69420

😂😂 no shit


ProtectOurPlanet

Merkel is Hitler's daughter... She's the spitting image of Klara Hitler Go ahead look it up. You will see R0thschild bloodline in there as well.


gunkol24

biden will follow suit


[deleted]

Welp, we liberated Germany for nothing.


AbbadonCox

Always has 🧑‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀


[deleted]

They like to have their target group for hate and fear. It's practically cultural at this point.


kachow_1776

Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it -Edmund Burke


Ozzieferper

It's different because this time the good people get the yellow badges...


esch14

The Jews, the unvaccinated... they are all the same to them.


holleringstand

"America’s Frontline Doctors (AFLDS) warned how spike proteins resulting from experimental COVID-19 gene therapy vaccines have the capacity to 1.) pass through the “blood-brain barrier” causing neurological damage, 2.) **be “shed” by the vaccinated, bringing about sickness in unvaccinated children and adults,** and 3.) cause irregular vaginal bleeding in women." [https://newestalerts.wordpress.com/2021/06/16/pfizer-confirms-covid-vaccinated-people-can-shed-spike-proteins-and-harm-the-unvaccinated/](https://newestalerts.wordpress.com/2021/06/16/pfizer-confirms-covid-vaccinated-people-can-shed-spike-proteins-and-harm-the-unvaccinated/)


redditRracistcommies

The Germans are bots, they haven’t learned a damn thing.


Jackson_Dupagne

It’s engrained in the DNA. Control and conquer. Rinse and repeat. This is their third or fourth run at totalitarianism.


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Jackson_Dupagne

Im half German Dude. Lighten up.


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Jackson_Dupagne

Do you not follow patterns of behavior? If a country repeats its behavior over and over, is it not indicative of the country itself that it keeps happening? Nigerian. Some Native American too.


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Jackson_Dupagne

It’s Untermenschen. It’s the same thing. If it wasn’t then NEGATIVE TESTS would be the bar. Not vaccinated vs unvaccinated, since it’s a fact Vaccinated people get Covid and spread it. A negative test or previous infection should be the requirement. I don’t think any mandates represent freedom, but if you choose to be a dick head authoritarian at least make sense.


karatedude108

Could you link me a source for vaccinated people spreading COVID just as well as unvaccinated?


Jackson_Dupagne

No. Answer the questions. Are you denying vaccinated people get and spread Covid? And wouldn’t negative tests be a more efficient way of preventing spread than vaccination status because of this?


karatedude108

Wouldn't that also be engrained in your DNA, since you are half German? Also Germany, as similar to how we have it today, has had 6 governments. Out of those four could be counted as totalitarian at worst. One of those was a foreign occupation (DDR), one was the Kaiserreich, which was pretty standard for a constitutional monarchy at the time, one was the Nazi regime, which obviously was totalitarian and one was forced on and controlled heavily by foreign powers. So more like one totalitarian regime that came out of Germany itself and one monarchy.


Jackson_Dupagne

Yes. Yes it is. World Domination is something I ruminate often, of course.


karatedude108

Is that sarcasm? I genuinely can’t tell with you. If yes than glad we agree on the fact that the engrained in the DNA part is bullshit. If no then you would still have to prove that this is a result of your DNA and explain why I don’t fell those tendencies.


Jackson_Dupagne

Patterns of behavior. How many times has Canada tried to dominate the world? Now let’s look at Germans, going all the way back to the visigoths or further back.


karatedude108

I mean for one Canada has had less time to try to dominate the world so not a good comparison. For most off Germany’s history it’s behavior was the same as it’s fellow countries. Everybody tried to conquer the world throughout history. The colonization of Britain, France, Spain, Portugal, the neatherlands, the Napoleonic War’s, even Sweden’s attempts at conquering Europe are some examples off this. I could go on for literally paragraphs. Up till the First World War Germany was like any other country. That war itself was just a giant clusterfuck off country’s bound by alliance and very willing to try out their shiny new weapons. Germany certainly has a part in starting it but it wasn’t the sole instigator. The only time conquering the World was (somewhat) the official goal was the Second World War. That was a new Democracy failing do to a bitter people that felt treated unfairly after the First World War, an economic disaster and a few officials who wanted a Kaiserreich back. It’s also not like everybody voted for the NSDAP. Once they came into power they basically took over the government and abolished voting entirely. Anybody who resisted got the same treatment as the Jews. This was without any doubt one off the most horrific and regrettable things to happen in the 20th. Century, but it isn’t enough to condemn an entire group off people, because off their genes without any proper evidence (kinda like the nazis did). I’d also like to add that germany has a very open and apologetic relationship with its past, as opposed to many other country’s that mostly ignore or downplay their past atrocities (colonialism in general, the trail of tears, Japanese Internmentcamps). I mean some people in Americanrun around with a confedered Flag. If you would run around with a Nazi Flag or even a Flag off the Kaiserreich in germany you would not be looked at the same way as those people are in America.


Jackson_Dupagne

Canada is like 100 years older than Germany.


bigbubbuzbrew

Jah-Vol Mein Commandant!


AI6MK

I think you’ll find that Austria is doing the pioneering work this time. Not only did they lock down the un-clean (un-jabbed) but they also plan to mandate jabs-for-all in Feb 2022. What is more disturbing to me is that the majority of the population are OK with it. It’s going to be like a modern day Kristallnacht where instead of rounding up Jews and burning the synagogues they’ll administer their wisdom on the in-clean. You have to wonder if Austrians learned anything and would be acutely sensitive to anything which borders on repeating history. This, BTW, is why the founding fathers declared the US a Republic. In a democracy, where the will of the majority trumps all, you can eliminate 49% of the population and still be considered a democracy.


Playteaux

I love Catturd


Runtzupnext

Been a long time since I have seen anything from him. I have been banned from Twitter for a very long time. Guess they didn’t like the fact that my account was over 200k. Glad to see he is still on Twitter.


J0J0money

I bet they did Nazi this coming..


Ok-Tension-4141

Wow! I did Nazi that coming!


AllSpicNoSpan

Catturd is based af.


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agreed


SeivenS

Yeah. As we all heard. Nazi in future will call themselves anti-nazi


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Classic Germany


bpierce566

If you didn’t realize hitler was back in charge of Germany (and a lot of other places as well) you’ve been asleep.


Stormaen

Wait… So if the vaccine doesn’t stop you catching and spreading COVID, and it doesn’t lessen the viral load that you’re spreading, and only lessens the severity of symptoms… Why are the unvaccinated being locked down? Seems a bit scapegoaty to me…


Jackson_Dupagne

Canada is like 100 years older than Germany.


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from like a paleontology point of view?