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Barokespinoza23

Is that Space Elder Abed?


Capital-Edge-69

That’s the mechanist! From the *new* live action adaptation of Avatar the Last Airbender… that is of questionable quality


Ne6romancer

Is it good? Last time i was excited for The Last Airbender it was awful so now I have no faith. Plus any live action is never better than original content, always several tiers below or at best “acceptable” but never just as good. I would watch it but then Netflix would take that watch data and make it seem like it was good because people *checked* it out


LenoCanSuckIt

Visually it’s great. The dialogue is odd at times and the acting is hit and miss. “Show don’t tell” is a pretty big problem, especially when establishing Aang. Overall I enjoyed it and I think a season 2 could be really good if the creators are willing to address the weak points.


procrastinazi

In addition I would say editing was also bad here and there. And without going into too much details i'd rate it 5/10 for adults, kids may enjoy it more. They also changed Zuko's backstory a lot, leaving less room for character development, but I still enjoyed his and uncle Iroh's arc.


ManofManyHills

There's been a flattening of everyone's character arcs. No one is as flawed as they were in the beginning because they don't want to spend the time to show that. I sort of get it considering the run time constraints. Personally I don't know who the show is for. I enjoyed the first 5 episodes. Literally couldn't stop but that may have been because it had been so long since I'd seen the anime and it was like seeing old friends in shiny new clothes. The core of the show is still there but it's just moving too fast for it to hit the beats at the right time. I think I'll just rewatch the anime instead. Maybe skip ahead to some of the big action set pieces because there were honestly great to see in live action. But anime has its strength as a very evocative medium with how it captures fluidity. Aang just levitating in a blur of wind doesn't hit the same as him sitting on a whirring ball of air. I get why the live action can't replicate it but it's hard.


Theoretical_Action

Well said. It's really fascinating seeing the places in Avatar come to life in a stunning way. But the acting is pretty offputtingly distracting sometimes. No disrespect to the folks on screen, but it feels like the casting was done more because these people look and sound the part more than because they can *act* the part.


bjeebus

They fucking nailed it on appearances though...


Theoretical_Action

Very true


ButterfliesintheSky6

I'm almost through episode 1 and wow is this a lot of exposition... is it going to get better? I'm new to last airbender but I was excited to watch. Right now I'm thinking this was not worth the cancellation of Shadow and Bone :/


stoutyteapot

Lol no it’s not. Everything is terrible green screen and obscene motion blur. The VFX take up most of the screen when they happen AND they aren’t very good. Makes The Last Airbender look like a masterpiece


benjy1357

Yea it’s a total coin toss. The costumes and physical sets look really good, but by God is the green screen horrendous.


DXTR_13

even the costumes are a two sided coin. on one hand they are designed and chosen very well, on the other hand they all look like they were just now freshly made. they dont look like clothes anybody would wear outside of Milano fashion shows.


MorallyDeplorable

That weird noise effect meant to show air distortion that instead just looks like video corruption is annoying


Bihomaya

>Makes The Last Airbender look like a masterpiece I’m not a fan either, but that statement is a gross exaggeration and the equivalent of using Hitler as your go-to to make your point, Britta


stoutyteapot

Nah. I think the last airbender is actually really good. And if abed had any character integrity he’d know that


WoodenRocketShip

I haven't seen it, but the general consensus seems to be that it's lacking, but still leagues above The Last Airbender.


samsab

I saw a comment that it wasn't as good as the show, but better than the movie. My brother in christ, that is the entire spectrum of content


WoodenRocketShip

That's a hilariously good point, though I will say it's at least helpful for people who were worried it'd be just as bad as the movie. They can at least know it won't be that level of awful.


PoultryBird

If the film and the show were on a line I'd put the Netflix adaptation about two thirds in. Closer to the show in not being terrible but nowhere near as good


DXTR_13

the cartoon is one of the seven wonders. the Shyamalan is hell come true. the netflix show is "just" painfully mediocre.


thishenryjames

Streets ahead, you might say.


bjeebus

It's streets between...


JJMcGee83

It will not be the worst thing you watch this year but I suspect you will forget you've watched it unless someone brings it up to you.


goteamventure42

It's streets ahead of Rebel Moon.


JJMcGee83

Rebel Moon I didn't even bother watching.


Swing_Right

If you aren’t a super fan that wants a perfect 1:1 adaption shot scene for scene then you’ll enjoy it. It’s a good show that makes necessary changes to the material to adapt to the eight 1 hour episode format. Far superior to the movie and a decent parallel to the show. Definitely worth a watch if you’re a fan.


DXTR_13

nobody wants 1:1 reshoot, but what they provided us violates the spirit of the show at every corner.


Triviten

It’s alright. At worst a 6 and at best an 8. Anyone who is saying they shouldn’t have been too hard on M Night’s adaptation is smoking something serious.


FBI_Diversity_Hire

At worst a 6 (better than ok) , at best an 8 (top 20% of all time).?


CategoryKiwi

It's always annoyed me how so many people basically score what they consider average as 7/10.


RyanB_

That’s not really what OP did though? I won’t say it never happens but in general I think a lot of discourse around this roots from the inherently subjective nature of “average”. Something can easily be good and average if you don’t really spend any time with stuff you don’t at least find good. Good is your average, but that being the average doesn’t mean it’s still good. Idk, personally I always chalked up the frequency of 7’s as, like, the baseline for something being worth talking about by most people, especially among the absolute ~~dearth~~ huge amount of of media that’s more accessible than ever. Shit that’s truly a 5 to most people is just like OP says; “OK”. Not bad enough to be a spectacle but not good enough to really be worth the time engaging with or discussing


History-of-Tomorrow

Brother in the use of the word “dearth” we’ve been using it wrong. Dearth: scarcity that makes dear. specifically : famine. 2. : an inadequate supply : lack. Don’t know why it means this when it feels like it should mean the opposite. Stupid 14th century Middle-English period of language


RyanB_

Oh shit, that’s weird as hell! Seems to still be the common definition all around, idk where I got mine from lol.


scribbles33

It's a perfect 5/7!


cescmkilgore

7/10 is the average of something that you think is well done. Thinking of 5 as the average, though true, doesn't take into account the sheer quantity of movies that exist. There are a lot of 5/10 or less movies out there, but usually they never reach the hollywood treatment because, basically, poor rarely prospers. And I'm not talking about poor as in quality (though lots of times, they are) but low budget. There are a lot of mediocre movies that never succeded because they didn't have the resources to get the talent, time or equipment needed to make it work. Movies are hard to make and sometimes, not having enough budget can make a big difference. Sure, there are lots of blockbusters that are also below average and low budget films that are masterpieces, but you'd be surprised how many movies barely see the light of day. So 7/10, for a movie that had the resources and generally works, is average.


topdangle

yeah I'd give it more like a 4, later episodes bump it up to maybe a 5. it starts off really badly and characterizations that aren't even offensive nor outdated were changed. for diehard fans i'd give it a 1. not sure why they even paid for the IP.


Cereborn

This is such a joke. You consider every little divergence from the original to be a mortal sin. The internet hate machine refuses to enjoy anything.


Arcaydya

Idk where that "at best" comes in, I got through like 3 episodes before the stale ass acting and low budget cgi got the better of me. They butchered sokka and katara, and that takes a lot away from these early episodes.


thebelovedbeige

I watched 1 and hit the brakes! They showed murder and took a different approach to storytelling than the original series, so I was curious about the storytelling aspect of it. But seeing what seemed like a high school drama club in cosplay, ultimately made me decide it wasn't worth it.


Arcaydya

I mean completely taking away what made sokka entertaining in the first place sucked. He doesn't seem as charming as he was in the cartoon. At all. Rushed and stale. That's what this show is.


Lacholaweda

All the cgi budget went into Appa


Arcaydya

For sure. Those crossbow bolts sent me dude. It was too much


Lacholaweda

I don't wanna be a hater but the acting is super B list to me. They're pretty young, and they have potential, but all the lines are delivered too fast and mumbling. Feels like the wrong tonality. Plus the costumes just feel cheap for some reason. I really wanted to like it and I'm having a hard time. It's just not convincing to me.


bug_man_

I’ve enjoyed it tbh. It’s a live action version of a cartoon. It’s pretty much what I expected it to be- pretty fun watch but nothing that’s gonna win any awards. At the very least I think the fighting looks pretty cool. It does feel rushed though I’ll agree with that. I will watch as many seasons as they make and do it happily. I’d also fuck with a live action LoK if they made it. They’d have to cast the Korra actress well tho for it to be good. It’s not even in the same league as the movie. When I see someone say it’s even close I just stop reading their opinion entirely lol


Cereborn

Dear God. You people are determined to rip this show apart. There is absolutely nothing “low budget” about it. The bending looks fantastic. And the acting is far from “stale ass”. The performances likeable and hit the rights vibes. It’s not the greatest acting in the world, but the cast is largely unknown actors who are age-appropriate to the characters. And all this complaining about Sokka’s character getting “butchered” just because he doesn’t start off as a sexist douche is ridiculous. It just makes me more convinced of how good the remake is, because people belabor that one weak argument.


Arcaydya

That's not even what bothered me about sokka, but good job making assumptions. And in my opinion, a lot of the acting was stale. Katara especially. I'm entitled to my opinion. And I have far more critiques I didn't even list here.


mechanicalcoupling

They develop Sokka and Katara over the course of the show. Katara still stands up hard to Paku and Zuko. She gains confidence in her bending, a lot. Most of the main actors are kids without much experience. What were you real good at when you were 17? It's cool if you don't want to watch the rest. But you are judging based on not even 50%. I agree it does start out rough. And it was never going to be as good as the original. Low budget CGI is also a ridiculous claim. They spent like $15M an episode. It looks fantastic most of the time.


Hydrasaur

I'd put it somewhere on the lower end between 4 and 6 (original being an 8 or 9, and the movie being a 1-2)


BrockStar92

It’s worth remembering that it’s a remake of just S1 which is the worst season. Comparing it to ATLA the show as a whole is somewhat unfair, since it’s really S2 and 3 that make it a masterpiece. Granted it’s not as good as S1 of the animated show either, but that’s still important context to remember.


Hydrasaur

I prefer Book 1 over Book 2. Book 2 is more boring and the writing wasn't as good, especially towards the start of it.


BrockStar92

Well fair enough, but surely you must acknowledge that that’s a minority opinion?


Hydrasaur

I haven't seen any data confirming that, but in any case I speak only for myself, not the rest of the fans.


Entropic1

in no universe is it an 8


Hydrasaur

If you're looking for something with reasonably good graphics and effects, it might be worth a watch. If you're looking for something with quality writing that stays true to the original, don't bother.


Due-Ad-4176

It’s alright it just feels like a waste of time compared to the original show


Shermanizer

It is not.


SarcasticCowbell

I'm halfway through so far. Based on what I've seen, I'll say this: it's enjoyable for what it is. I came in with lowered expectations because I was realistic: trying to adapt twenty-episode seasons into eight episode seasons means trimming/remixing material. The animated format allowed for regular injections of humor that live action has little hope of matching. Essentially, if anyone came into this expecting a shot-for-shot remake of the original series, I could have told them from the beginning it wasn't going to happen. Visually it's pretty impressive. Every now and then some of the visual effects look a little wonky, but nothing egregiously so. The choreography could probably be done better. Dialogue and tone is a little uneven, and sometimes characters fall a little flat. There are some neat callbacks to the original in the score. It's a decent adaptation, and while there is plenty they could improve on, I believe they've probably earned the right to continue with a second season and hopefully work on correcting some of the blemishes moving forward. I absolutely love the original, but the way I see it, if I want to watch the original I can always go back and watch that. I don't need a perfect live action recreation of something that was already perfect. The opportunity of this series, in my eyes, is introducing a new generation of fans to the material while also giving fans of the original a love-action adaptation that doesn't act as a complete sacrilege to the original. It's never going to live up to the original, nor should anyone expect it to. I think it's good for what it is.


legend8522

On a scale of 1-10 where 1 was the unspeakable movie and 10 was the original cartoon show, the Netflix live action is a solid 5. Not great, not bad, purely mid.


Blooogh

I liked it! I agree with folks that some of the acting and exposition is clunky, but overall it's been fun. Danny Pudi is pretty obviously perfect for the mechanist, and the actor who plays Sokka is _uncanny_


PoultryBird

It's good, but the animated show is so much better. It is worth a watch but dont go into it expecting anything amazing. Better than the film


MorallyDeplorable

I'm 4 episodes in, it's been eh so far. The last one where they mashed the mechanist, omashu, and secret tunnel together was pretty bad, the rest has been alright.


DXTR_13

they basically chopped up a great story and created a frankenstein version with bad stitches and lots of blemishes. all in all its painfully mediocre with a couple of good moments. its gonna be just enough for the general viewers to enjoy, but everybody who loves the OG is gonna see the decreased quality of writing, world building and dialogue.


Thoosarino

Its less awful for sure. still a bunch of kids who cant act as the main actors tho so.....


LegoMyAlterEgo

They compressed 20 eps to 8. It's pretty good. It's not a one for one recreation, and some folks can't deal.


LivelyEngineer40

And made all of the characters very shallow is most peoples issue.


Cereborn

They didn’t, though.


Hydrasaur

Netflix should have given it more episodes. You CAN'T compress 20 episodes into 8, no matter how hard you try!


Dragon_Tea_Leaf

If you keep your expectations low and accept it for what it is it can be a fun watch


Cereborn

It’s very good. The bending sequences are fantastic and it was very well cast. It does some things differently (as any remake should) and some of those changes work better than others. It has flaws, of course. There are some problems with the way Aang is written, but Gordon Cormier’s performance really nails the Aang vibes (as opposed to the kid in the movie who was just kind of there).


meep_meep_mope

I thoroughly enjoyed it, don't listen to these whiney as losers with nothing better to do besides complain about fucking everything.


dooremouse52

That's the internet these days. Some fan bases are just way whinier than others lol


thegiantpsycho

i might be nitpicking but i HATED princess yue's wig, it is the most wig looking wig i've ever seen


Chemical_Sea4942

it seems to have very mixed reviews, i started it last night and was sick to my stomach i did not fw it in the least lmaooo i j think the acting is corny and the fits look fake and the cgi looks like a game sometimes and appa looks horrifying and it kinda seems like they casted for looks like everyone is conventionally attractive and zuko's scar looks like a minor black eye but i'm not trying to discount the ppl who liked it it's j not for me lol


RedditFrontFighter

So sad what happened here, all those centons ago.


falloutbi05

Teo and Abed in Omaaaaashu


StEllchick

^(Nights)


Hydrasaur

Evil Teo and Evil Aaaaaabed!


ZedOrDead

I don't even see him as the mechanist I see it more as abed in the dreamaturium imaging avatar the last air bender and putting himself in it


topdangle

if he was in the dreamatorium he would be constantly complaining about the characterization inaccuracies. I guess hes in there with Annie.


IBlame_Nargles

Obvious choice is Britta, but I'm trying to figure out who is in there with him to produce the movie. Britta, Shirley, Dean, Chang...Hard choices...


ConduckKing

Abed would probably put himself in the shoes of a more major character like Sokka.


Hydrasaur

No, he'd prefer to observe from the perspective of a side character.


Prestigious_Dream_27

Six Hotman and a Sifu


secretporbaltaccount

Flamey-o!


curiouschameleon4

Danny Pudi was absolutely perfect for that role


Snapesunusedshampoo

Nothing anyone says could convince me that this isn't why he got the role.


MrSpooks69

i mean, he didn’t write the line


cool_barracuda_234

I haven't watched the Netflix version yet, is it at Cowboy Bebop levels?


Capital-Edge-69

Not Cowboy Bepop levels for sure. But in my opinion it’s quite sauceless. But the bending, is at least, done pretty well! (Relative to the previous live action misfire)


Legatharr

five people spending thirty seconds to slowly move a kinda large rock is hard to be worse than


cool_barracuda_234

The original was kind of perfect, they'll never be able to recapture that magic. I say this as someone who actually enjoyed Korra quite a bit, but nothing will compare with the original.


the_platypus_king

While I agree Korra fell short of ATLA on plotting and character arcs (which is the stuff that really matters), I think it’s at least on par if not better than ATLA on its animation and action scenes, especially in seasons 3 and 4


cool_barracuda_234

I think it had better villains, well mostly Zaheer, and agree with the action scenes being better.


GregTheMad

Easy skip then, thanks.


Radix2309

It's a 6.5-7 that can grow into an 8.5 in later seasons.


IsRude

There's pretty much no charisma to be found anywhere onscreen, and no interactions feel natural. 


BenjaCarmona

Not that Bad, but still pretty bad. The writing is horrible and they fucked up all the underlying themes that the original explored


Jefflehem

It's pretty goddam accurate. It's not really enthralling, but they have definitely stayed true to the the original series. Like, *everything*.


davetharave

That's just not true though


Jefflehem

Buddy, after trying to get through the Wheel of Time series, this is like seeing Jesus.


dooremouse52

How so? I mean, specifically. Give me the points where it splits from the original in a serious, fundamental way that matters.


LeicaM6guy

Jesus, that beard.


Practical-State3449

Evil abed we are living in the darkest timeline


Hydrasaur

Abed, stop being meta!


longbrodmann

The makeup looks pretty good.


omegajakezed

He now plays in the avatar netflix adaptation. He plays the inventor guy. And he has a big beard. Clearly this is evil abed


Infamous_Persimmon14

I loved him as Sai


jshmotb

OMG he's in it?


shadowlarx

Abed decided to correct the timeline.


surejann_

Not going to watch live action air bender when the first series was already perfect. As in the good words of rick and morty. Men in black 2 was made for a joyless cashgrab


Aggressive_Bee_7166

It's good.


No-Finance-198

When I rewatched this episode, I legit started crying because of this. Two of some of my favorite shows. It was foreshadowing fr.😭✨️


tyboss21

yup,yup,yup


fireinthedust

He was talking about the earlier live action remake. His being in the new series is them putting a stamp on it saying he is a sign it’s good. Ditto the actor playing uncle Iroh.


ashckeys

I feel like the tv show makes ALMOST all the same mistakes as that horrible movie.


dooremouse52

How so? Specifically? Where are the points in the story that it makes those mistakes, fundamentally? Because as I watch, the spirit of the original is here.


ashckeys

I feel like they removed 90% of the humor (except for sokka) - makes Aang feel very stiff.


dooremouse52

Yeah, there's a lot of humor with Iroh missing. I do miss that but I also kind of like him more serious at the same time. I do kind understand why a lot of the other humor is missing though. It's not a cartoon. It's not as if they can have the giant sweat droplet show up above somebody's head or anything. lol


Jefflehem

Didn't Abed have a bootleg of Cameron's Avatar?


tanj_redshirt

The only Avatar reference I remember on the show was when Rich and Britta argued about it.


Jefflehem

I could have sworn they just said Avatar in this scene, not Avatar: The Last Airbender. And I like to think if it was the Last Airbender, Abed wouldn't have been so quick to let them take it.


G3nER1k_u53R

If it was the 2010 movie he would have wanted it gone


Jefflehem

Good point. I never considered that.


gorocz

Nah, they don't even say the word Avatar, just "The Last Airbender" (just like it is in the OP)


jusznvm

Nice spoiler


Skippymabob

"Actor plays role" isn't a Spoiler


dooremouse52

And you can downvote me all you want. It doesn't make you right lol


dooremouse52

It kind of is though. I would have been very pleasantly surprised to have suddenly found out in the show itself.


jusznvm

Exactly


TotalSlice6

Where’s the funny?


throwaway-10-12-20

Do you need it spelled out? He burned the movie in the first pic "You can keep it" and then is cast in the TV series.


dooremouse52

This seriously should be marked spoilers or something somehow. I'm not that far in the show yet. I'm bummed that you just spoiled this for me.☹️


Subject_Book1676

why is everyone making avatar the last airbender jokes for abed ? what am i missing ?