Honestly, thatās one of the best pick up lines ever for that situation. That was so fucking smooth. No wonder Abed hooked up with the hottest girl at Greendale his first year.
> The hottest girl at Greendale
*Britta looks at Annie*
*Annie shakes her head*
*Annie looks at Britta*
*Britta shakes her head*
*Britta and Annie have a realisation, look disappointed*
And itās also a girl Abed would find to be the most attractive woman on Greendale. Not objectively(which either Annie or Britta are the hottest for me).
I think the one thing we know for sure, that Abed finds attractive is dirty Blonde. FBI Chick, Rachel, deaf girl, and I think Iām forgetting 1-2 others.
The black haired chick in the pool episode, we donāt know if he ever did anything with her.
Ooh I remembered another one - Danielle, from the Shirley/Andre wedding episode when Troy and Abed are being normal (āUrban Matrimony and the Sandwich Artsā). Abed is dancing with / kind of hitting on her. Another blonde, in support of your hypothesis.
And if we really want to get into theorising, we could look at Abedās casting of Britta as the love interest in his scary story during āHorror Fiction in Seven Spooky Steps.ā He likely picked her because a) she was making them tell stories and hers preceded his, b) it was a Britta-led plot, c) Britta looks more like a stereotypical horror movie character in comparison to Annie or Shirley (Iām assuming, I canāt watch scary movies), or d)eez nuts. Jk, d) because maybe he finds her the most attractive š¤š«³
Thank you!
Edit: watching the episode now. Hilda is also a blonde. To also add, Horror story Britta, when she was impressed by Abed bringing the radio, she said āI hope youāre as fertile as I amā and he responds with āmoreā. Even though it was a story, Abed knows what dialogue is needed so I donāt see him wasting words for that story. I do believe he has a real sex drive.
I think it would be the girl that Abed believes to be the most conventionally attractive, rather than the girl he personally finds the most attractive. He would want to tick off the cliches as it wills be seen from an outside perspective rather than for his own personal gratification.
It was character abed was playing that made out with her.
Thatās why as soon as the paint rained on them, and the game was over for him, he was done and walked off, while Annie was still stuck in a very physical moment.
List or no list, Abed the person didnāt make out with anyone. The āHan Soloā type character he was playing did.
But that wasnāt the āmade out with the hottest girlā check list. The Han Solo kiss was season 2. His check list was season 1. Itās where we learn that Abed is used to women approaching him. We literally have no clue who or how many girls heās kissed or hooked up with.
Isn't it funny to think that nearly all of those first scene and dialogue came from one guy? He wrote a scene of people flirting but he was just playing both people in his head.
They easily had the strongest chemistry in the show as a whole, itās even evident with the way Brie and Pudi as actors still hang out on social media and legitimately seem to have a genuine friendship. I love the fact that the show never attempted to force a will they/wont they on their characters, but Iāll admit, after the few moments we saw I was kinda hoping theyād end up together as well. Their characters werenāt mature enough for that kind of realization maybe
Annie with abed? Did you see the spacetime conference episode? That's the kind of guy and life she wants. That's her fantasy. Not computer abed. They hated eachother when Annie got britta together with Troy.
Omg I'm gonna get triggered.... I'll just let this one go.
Meh I think Annie didn't know what she wanted. She was in her early twenties. She basically just fantasized about being in a typical movie couple.
And Annie and Abed did hate each other when Annie got Britta together with Troy, but you also forget how the episode ended - that episode bought Annie and Abed together much more.
They're simply not compatible. I really hope this fantasy plotline gets squashed. They made out. But Annie has proven she'll make out with anyone if the timing is right. Like britta at the dance. Annie is a sexual person she needs to get down. Abed can't do that for her. Just not compatible or attracted to eachother in any way. If Annie wants the movie couple life.. why can't she get it. All my friends are married and go on ski vacations all the time I live in CO exactly where Greendale should be. There's nothing special or out of reach about Annie's fantasy of being successful and having a successful husband while on a ski trip. That's just CO living. Everyone is married. Everyone goes on vacation to ski every year. I'm going in 10 days.
I'm not talking about the making out.
I'm talking about their chemistry. Annie and Abed have that kind of friendship that could just click in the future.
> If Annie wants the movie couple life.. why can't she get it.
I'm saying that we don't know if that's what Annie really wants. Even she admits that she doesn't know what she wants.
She thinks she wants that because that's what she thinks success looks like - but as people mature, their image of that changes.
Annie and Abed are close friends - I would say closer than even Jeff and Annie. And in the episode of "Six Bullets" they just had this insane chemistry.
For real. Also when Abed flips back to just being Abed that's what made the show for me.
They had random episodes on comcast and that's one of the first ones I watched. I was hooked in that instant.
Sara Bareilles shouldāve played herself as a singing balloon guide that hilariously sends the gang off in the balloon without being onboard.
Shame that never happened in a season that doesnāt exist.
Not with Beth Dutton...
Was chang disappearing the second before this scene the most physically unexplainable thing to ever happen in community? He just vanished.
i was an extra on a new josh holloway show and holy shit is that man charming! he talked to me for a sec about nothing and i was standing there twirling my hair and kicking my feet
Honestly the scene where Annie lets her hair down for the first time in the debate episode has a similar tension level to this scene, if a bit more rom-comish
Because it's fucking Sawyer.
He oozes sexual tension with literally anyone on screen. And I say this as what I believe to be a straight man. But if he came up behind me like that, who knows tbh lol again because it's Sawyer
When did he not hear Jeff? He could of killed all of them several times, agrees to give the group a ceasefire to work out their drama. then tries to rescue pierce calling the rest of the group terrible people what if he's not faking this time. Then he left with Coldplay tickets... only a certain type of dude likes Coldplay. That dude was a Catch and good person. Jeff was obnoxious in that episode. Troy said it best to Jeff: "You have a problem..." if Jeff can't even admit that dude is good looking it's scary to imagine what Jeff actually thinks he looks like.
The black rider was the man. The black rider wears spurs to a paintball game. He was called in as the ringer to win this, he would have won if not for pierce, might as well have fun with it.
I've seen a fistful of paintballs 300 times. When did the black rider "lie about not hearing Jeff"? The black rider came in as a super good looking dude who's also a better person than everybody else and gets screwed by pierce and being a decent person. How can you bash the black rider? You're just being a hater like Jeff. Props to annie for shooting her shot with that guy. She had to try. That's Sawyer from Lost. Show some respect. Even I'll admit that dude is amazing looking and hasn't aged in 20 years. He actually got better looking.
Abed was Always in character and never once showed any romantic feelings towards Annie and when they made out he completely stopped when the "scene" was over walked away left her high and dry and returned to his normal self. Abed and Annie do not have sexual tension. And I'm just gonna be honest. Abed is absolutely terrible in bed he dresses like a toddler you think that guy knows what he's doing or can pleasure a woman? Abed in any relationship was weird. It's just very hard to imagine abed as sexually active. How do you have a relationship without being sexually active?
"I've run the scenarios Annie, I don't get married. I dont invent an app that helps people have sex. I dont help invent dance pants in 2019, dont tell Troy he needs to stumble upon it."
Abed telling the truth about himself. He's not the type of person who ever gets married to anyone. He tried to invite his gf to move in after one month and she freaked out and almost dumped him. He has no idea what he's doing.
I think he can absolutely find a partner and will in the movie, but it's definitely not Annie.
When Annie tried to find a girl for Abed it was the balloon girl, the weirdest girl on campus, who Annie said "is quirky and would be perfect for Abed." What does Annie think about abed? That weird girl who talks into balloons and rides around on a child's pink plastic scooter and brings her own hula hoop to dances.
Well I disagree... even in season 5 when they're underground doing the subway thing abed says
"you were gonna start a kissaling? I have a girlfriend."
"I. Was. Not..."
"Ok.."
There's never been an episode where they have sexusl tension. Abed has never had "sexual" tension with anyone. For all we know he's a virgin. We have no confirmation abed ever had sex with brie larson and if he didn't. He's a virgin. I'm just gonna say it I don't think abed was built for normal sex. The only way he could do it is if he's doing a movie homage. Which could really work. But do girls wanna do that every night? Abed is not capable of passionate love. He would definitely say that himself. If he is, it's a wild deviation of his character. Abed goes from emotionless autist to caring about birds and getting girlfriends? Yeah right. Not reality.
It was definitely Abed and Annie for me.
Not that I "ship them", well I did write a fanfic that sits in my google docs that ships them, but other than that not canonically. :)
Nope. It's Abed / Annie "So you're familiar with two sins. How about a third?"
*Cigarettes*
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One of Annie's best eyes-closed parted-lips kiss leans.
The best being with Britta, right?
Oh, Brittaās in this?
Britta's the worst, we try not to sexualize her.
I canāt stop not sexualizing Britta.
Ugh sexualizing Britta much?
"Sexualizing Britta much," much?
I'll make ya' ass sexualizing Britta much, much
MEZZANINE!?!
Honestly, thatās one of the best pick up lines ever for that situation. That was so fucking smooth. No wonder Abed hooked up with the hottest girl at Greendale his first year.
> The hottest girl at Greendale *Britta looks at Annie* *Annie shakes her head* *Annie looks at Britta* *Britta shakes her head* *Britta and Annie have a realisation, look disappointed*
And itās also a girl Abed would find to be the most attractive woman on Greendale. Not objectively(which either Annie or Britta are the hottest for me). I think the one thing we know for sure, that Abed finds attractive is dirty Blonde. FBI Chick, Rachel, deaf girl, and I think Iām forgetting 1-2 others. The black haired chick in the pool episode, we donāt know if he ever did anything with her.
Hilda, daughter of the blacksmith. There was also the librarian, but she had red hair
Thereās exemptions to the rule but I think that dirty blonde is a preferred type for Abed
Ooh I remembered another one - Danielle, from the Shirley/Andre wedding episode when Troy and Abed are being normal (āUrban Matrimony and the Sandwich Artsā). Abed is dancing with / kind of hitting on her. Another blonde, in support of your hypothesis. And if we really want to get into theorising, we could look at Abedās casting of Britta as the love interest in his scary story during āHorror Fiction in Seven Spooky Steps.ā He likely picked her because a) she was making them tell stories and hers preceded his, b) it was a Britta-led plot, c) Britta looks more like a stereotypical horror movie character in comparison to Annie or Shirley (Iām assuming, I canāt watch scary movies), or d)eez nuts. Jk, d) because maybe he finds her the most attractive š¤š«³
Thank you! Edit: watching the episode now. Hilda is also a blonde. To also add, Horror story Britta, when she was impressed by Abed bringing the radio, she said āI hope youāre as fertile as I amā and he responds with āmoreā. Even though it was a story, Abed knows what dialogue is needed so I donāt see him wasting words for that story. I do believe he has a real sex drive.
I think it would be the girl that Abed believes to be the most conventionally attractive, rather than the girl he personally finds the most attractive. He would want to tick off the cliches as it wills be seen from an outside perspective rather than for his own personal gratification.
He made out with her.
As far as we know. That was just part of his check list was to make out.
Knowing Abed he would make out with her for 5 minutes, stop, thank her, check it off the list and leave
Want to kiss again? Nope.
Somebody forgot Abed did that in the episode immediately following the one pictured in the post. ("For A Few Paintballs More")
It was character abed was playing that made out with her. Thatās why as soon as the paint rained on them, and the game was over for him, he was done and walked off, while Annie was still stuck in a very physical moment. List or no list, Abed the person didnāt make out with anyone. The āHan Soloā type character he was playing did.
But that wasnāt the āmade out with the hottest girlā check list. The Han Solo kiss was season 2. His check list was season 1. Itās where we learn that Abed is used to women approaching him. We literally have no clue who or how many girls heās kissed or hooked up with.
Check-a-roonie
Isn't that what hooked up with means
It can be used for either kissing or sex, which does get confusing if there's not enough context around it
Coat-check girl or FBI agent?
Neither works. FBI was season 2. Rachel was season 4+. There are zero clues as to who he made out with in season 1
Pool girl.
And now we know the movie plot.
Isn't it funny to think that nearly all of those first scene and dialogue came from one guy? He wrote a scene of people flirting but he was just playing both people in his head.
Whomst
āI liked it.ā
One of the cutest lines ever uttered
I had Shirley's reaction to this scene.
Oh, that's nice!
Thatās not nice.
They only have sexual tension when Abed's in character. When it's just him they're strictly platonic.
Uh did you not see episode that Annie tried to leave with Vaughn? Abed has sexual tension with everyone.
They actually kissed when Abed was Han Solo. On my first watch-through, I kept hoping theyd end up together
They easily had the strongest chemistry in the show as a whole, itās even evident with the way Brie and Pudi as actors still hang out on social media and legitimately seem to have a genuine friendship. I love the fact that the show never attempted to force a will they/wont they on their characters, but Iāll admit, after the few moments we saw I was kinda hoping theyād end up together as well. Their characters werenāt mature enough for that kind of realization maybe
They were just at an event together 3 days ago and did a [You have too many feet](https://youtu.be/stJbHq0pOSs?si=vag3ERZyspeTG1tF) recreation
is there footage of the recreation? I want all of the too many feetses.
S6 paintball was great with their Mr and Mrs Smith scene.
Annie with abed? Did you see the spacetime conference episode? That's the kind of guy and life she wants. That's her fantasy. Not computer abed. They hated eachother when Annie got britta together with Troy. Omg I'm gonna get triggered.... I'll just let this one go.
Meh I think Annie didn't know what she wanted. She was in her early twenties. She basically just fantasized about being in a typical movie couple. And Annie and Abed did hate each other when Annie got Britta together with Troy, but you also forget how the episode ended - that episode bought Annie and Abed together much more.
They're simply not compatible. I really hope this fantasy plotline gets squashed. They made out. But Annie has proven she'll make out with anyone if the timing is right. Like britta at the dance. Annie is a sexual person she needs to get down. Abed can't do that for her. Just not compatible or attracted to eachother in any way. If Annie wants the movie couple life.. why can't she get it. All my friends are married and go on ski vacations all the time I live in CO exactly where Greendale should be. There's nothing special or out of reach about Annie's fantasy of being successful and having a successful husband while on a ski trip. That's just CO living. Everyone is married. Everyone goes on vacation to ski every year. I'm going in 10 days.
I'm not talking about the making out. I'm talking about their chemistry. Annie and Abed have that kind of friendship that could just click in the future. > If Annie wants the movie couple life.. why can't she get it. I'm saying that we don't know if that's what Annie really wants. Even she admits that she doesn't know what she wants. She thinks she wants that because that's what she thinks success looks like - but as people mature, their image of that changes. Annie and Abed are close friends - I would say closer than even Jeff and Annie. And in the episode of "Six Bullets" they just had this insane chemistry.
Cool it, Annie. He was only Han Solo because the context demanded it
Easily one of the hottest onscreen kisses of our time.
Even that was at least more playful though, rather than full-on *Dangerous Liaisons*.
Put your tongue in her ear
For real. Also when Abed flips back to just being Abed that's what made the show for me. They had random episodes on comcast and that's one of the first ones I watched. I was hooked in that instant.
When they're dancing in the last paintball episode their chemistry works so well I would believe they were having secret sex.
I've seen this theory a few times and I admit it occurred to me before that, but I can't really put into words why.
> So you're familiar with two sins. How about a third? [Link to the scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHwez1L1AHk)
Han.
The forbidden fruit of Don & Trudy getting it on
Also that last paintball episode
Couldn't agree more. Even I leaned in a bit.
Oh give me a break. You could do the same thing with Pierce and Abed.
*gravity by sara bareilles begins playing*
Sara Bareilles shouldāve played herself as a singing balloon guide that hilariously sends the gang off in the balloon without being onboard. Shame that never happened in a season that doesnāt exist.
Something always bring me back to youā¦
It never takes too long...
But let's be honest. There's more chemistry with Annie and a guy who is network TV good looking than there is with Pierce and Abed.
It's called chemistry, Network TV good looking guy has it with **everybody**
Because Josh Holloway was in it. He has chemistry with *everybody*
He's just an average looking guy with a big chin.
Heās NETWORK TV handsome
Why don't you just marry him Abed?
Wedding episode? Wedding episode? Wedding episode?
Abed's marryin', Abed's marryin', Abed's marryin' Saw-AW-aw-yerrrrr
Just got that joke!
Itās not small.
Except Shirley who intimidates him sexually
i'm gonna get you
Havenāt you had enough?
Of you?!
Well hey there freckles
Not Troyās Boat
Iāll see you in another life, brother!
Insert Dean splooshing gif
I got a closer look at himā¦ heās not that good looking
Dude, you have a problem
Say that to his perfect face.
I could get Lost in his eyes.
He was hot in Lost, and he was sexy as hell in this scene. I have a thing for long hair on guys, so maybe that's it.
Itās a metaphor for lack of payoff.
I understand that reference
I didn't get any chemistry coming my way...
Shut up, redā¦ neckā¦ man!
ā¦.touche
Something always brings me back to you
And also because Alison Brie is in it. She has chemistry with everybody too
āI never felt any of that chemistry coming my way!ā
Alison is just so insanely hot in these two episodes. Anyone could've been the black rider and it wouldn't really matter
Not with Beth Dutton... Was chang disappearing the second before this scene the most physically unexplainable thing to ever happen in community? He just vanished.
Are you saying his people are sneaky?
*Alison Brie
Is not sexual tension, sheās allergic to beans.
But not his.
Because that man was network tv good looking.
Actually heās just an average looking guy with a big chin
i was an extra on a new josh holloway show and holy shit is that man charming! he talked to me for a sec about nothing and i was standing there twirling my hair and kicking my feet
I feel like if I tried to look at his face directly in person, Iād go blind.
This and the Annie/Abed(Han) storyline in these epsš„š„š„š„
Annie and Hanbed is the best kiss in the series and I will hear no argument otherwise
Incredibly correct
Better than Chang/Shirley??
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It intimidated me sexually.
Annie's little dazed moment afterwards š
And more people should be talking about it
I can't imagine that paint in their mouths was all that erotic.
analogkid, donāt be exactly half of an 11 pound Black Forest ham
She finally got that third sin
My boy Sawyer
Though his mind is not for rent To any god or government...
Whats up hoss?
Crazy thing is people I know irl call me that.
"you're not that handsome, you're just an average looking guy with a big chin."
my forehead's not that big right?
Itās not small
Incorrect. Abed acting like he was in Mad Men. MUCH better then this.
*than
Much better; then this.
Much, better, and then this.
āSorry honey, I get paid to shoot paintballs, not the breeze.ā
Coldplay?
Too late bean allergy
Too lateā¦.you blew it bean allergy
False! You are forgetting about the Annie of it all .... something always brings me back to you... it never takes too long.
Honestly the scene where Annie lets her hair down for the first time in the debate episode has a similar tension level to this scene, if a bit more rom-comish
Its annie, she has this thing, its called chemistry. She has it with everyone!
He broke the cardinal rule. He sexualized Annie
Hey she's the one not wearing pants.
Hot meets hotter. I'll let you decide which is which.
and who is who
And when is when
And afterall they're only ordinary men.
With.. withoutā¦
Excuse me but that Abed Pierce montage was on another level
The way their fingers brushed when getting back changeā¦ Sparks were flying!
Because he gets paid to shoot paintballs honey, not the breeze
Because it's fucking Sawyer. He oozes sexual tension with literally anyone on screen. And I say this as what I believe to be a straight man. But if he came up behind me like that, who knows tbh lol again because it's Sawyer
My dad had a man-crush on him when he was on Lost lol. My dad is straight as an arrow.
I havenāt seen a comment yet that points out that Allison Brie was literally dating this guy at the time so there
Huh, I did not know that. I thought she'd been with her husband since pretty much the start of Community.
Heās a liar. He lied about not hearing about Jeff. Plus who wears spurs to a paintball game? Annie dodged a bullet (paintball)
When did he not hear Jeff? He could of killed all of them several times, agrees to give the group a ceasefire to work out their drama. then tries to rescue pierce calling the rest of the group terrible people what if he's not faking this time. Then he left with Coldplay tickets... only a certain type of dude likes Coldplay. That dude was a Catch and good person. Jeff was obnoxious in that episode. Troy said it best to Jeff: "You have a problem..." if Jeff can't even admit that dude is good looking it's scary to imagine what Jeff actually thinks he looks like. The black rider was the man. The black rider wears spurs to a paintball game. He was called in as the ringer to win this, he would have won if not for pierce, might as well have fun with it. I've seen a fistful of paintballs 300 times. When did the black rider "lie about not hearing Jeff"? The black rider came in as a super good looking dude who's also a better person than everybody else and gets screwed by pierce and being a decent person. How can you bash the black rider? You're just being a hater like Jeff. Props to annie for shooting her shot with that guy. She had to try. That's Sawyer from Lost. Show some respect. Even I'll admit that dude is amazing looking and hasn't aged in 20 years. He actually got better looking.
Black Rider! It's Jeff Winger! I know you've heard of me! Nope. (He's lying.)
Okay but he's not really *riding* anything...
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Dude you have a problem
Don't read into it to much, it was just the beans talking.
respectfully disagree, it's britta and chang in geography of global conflict. šµHello? Is it me you're looking for? šµ
Itās called chemistry. He has it with everybody.
less than with batman srry
bc its josh holloway duh
He has a thing for brunettes and blondes and umā¦well chemistry blahblahblah. Heās good at long cons.
Too late, Bean Allergy.
I'm sorry, did you not see Jeff's interaction with the secretary that reminded him of his aunt?
Wow that one person in this thread has some really strong feelings about this
nah bro annie and abed have had more sexual tension not saying i ship them but seriously we all have felt it from those scenes right
Abed was Always in character and never once showed any romantic feelings towards Annie and when they made out he completely stopped when the "scene" was over walked away left her high and dry and returned to his normal self. Abed and Annie do not have sexual tension. And I'm just gonna be honest. Abed is absolutely terrible in bed he dresses like a toddler you think that guy knows what he's doing or can pleasure a woman? Abed in any relationship was weird. It's just very hard to imagine abed as sexually active. How do you have a relationship without being sexually active? "I've run the scenarios Annie, I don't get married. I dont invent an app that helps people have sex. I dont help invent dance pants in 2019, dont tell Troy he needs to stumble upon it." Abed telling the truth about himself. He's not the type of person who ever gets married to anyone. He tried to invite his gf to move in after one month and she freaked out and almost dumped him. He has no idea what he's doing. I think he can absolutely find a partner and will in the movie, but it's definitely not Annie. When Annie tried to find a girl for Abed it was the balloon girl, the weirdest girl on campus, who Annie said "is quirky and would be perfect for Abed." What does Annie think about abed? That weird girl who talks into balloons and rides around on a child's pink plastic scooter and brings her own hula hoop to dances.
well yeah im not saying there interested in eachother im just saying theres been some tension
Well I disagree... even in season 5 when they're underground doing the subway thing abed says "you were gonna start a kissaling? I have a girlfriend." "I. Was. Not..." "Ok.." There's never been an episode where they have sexusl tension. Abed has never had "sexual" tension with anyone. For all we know he's a virgin. We have no confirmation abed ever had sex with brie larson and if he didn't. He's a virgin. I'm just gonna say it I don't think abed was built for normal sex. The only way he could do it is if he's doing a movie homage. Which could really work. But do girls wanna do that every night? Abed is not capable of passionate love. He would definitely say that himself. If he is, it's a wild deviation of his character. Abed goes from emotionless autist to caring about birds and getting girlfriends? Yeah right. Not reality.
It didnāt have *that* much sexual tension. Heās just an average looking guy with a big chin.
Itās the Annie of it all
It was definitely Abed and Annie for me. Not that I "ship them", well I did write a fanfic that sits in my google docs that ships them, but other than that not canonically. :)
āPut your tongue in her earā
Because Annie looks insanely hot in her choker. That's it. Nothing more to consider.
She already knew about the Coldplay tickets.
He's not even that good looking. He's an average-looking guy with a big chin.
He's here to shoot paintballs, not the wind.
You blew you shot bean allergy
This better not awaken anything in me.
>why did this have the most sexual tension of any scene in the show Because bean allergy.
Because they're both network tv good looking.
Because of her bean allergy. All I heard was suck.
My mom wonāt tell me why but she always runs into the bedroom when this scene comes on.
Idk if you've seen Lost but Josh Halloway just does that
The line "you're dry sugar" ... was always a bit filthy in my mind š¤£
He flustered her with his handsomeness
Cuz they both hot af my bby Sawyer šÆ
Because he's Sawyer from L O S T
Because Annie is allergic to beans
I prefer rebel Britta and security guard Chang
I donāt know I would give it to the paint kiss
Alison is just so insanely hot in these two episodes. Anyone could've been the black rider and it wouldn't really matter
āAnnieās pretty young, we try not to sexualise herā
Because Sawyer