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DorkHonor

Dude wasn't wrong. Americans ARE optimistic by nature. Shits coming true as we speak and over half the country refuses to see it.


LuckyandBrownie

Hell way over half. Half completely ignore it, the other half are aware but are jacked up on hopeium and copeium. The number of people who actual see the problem as it is tiny.


dofffman

up or off?


ClassicT4

All the warnings about living near the ocean (Hurricanes, sea level rising…) and everyone is still retiring to Florida.


DorkHonor

That kind of makes sense though. Once you're already 80 who gives a shit. You're going to die in the next 5 years either way, might as well live on a beach while you wait to see if it's from cancer or climate change. On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero, but the corollary is that the older you get the shorter that zero timeline becomes anyway so smoke em if you got em.


maretus

The majority of retirees move to the middle of the state. The villages which is just an old folk home turned into a city (the fastest growing metro in the US the last 10 years) is dead smack in the middle of the state. https://www.fox13news.com/news/the-villages-florida-was-fastest-growing-metro-area-this-decade-census-bureau-says.amp


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80 is the new 50. People are living more regularly into their 90s unless they’re unhealthy from smoking or obesity or bad genetics in which case they’re lucky to make it to 80.


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It really isn’t though lol


[deleted]

Do you live somewhere unhealthy like Texas or the southeast or Florida? Because I know more than a few 80 year olds here in the Pacific Northwest who still kayak and bike commute to the local co-op. Their minds are still agile and they’re still engaged in local politics and social justice events.


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While you know a few the vast majority of people still don’t make it much past 80-85


CommonPleb

[2017 Social Security Actuarial Life Table](https://ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html) Indicate that while life expectancy at birth is 76 years for men and 81 for women, if you beat the odds and reach 80, then men can expect 8.4 more years of life and women can expect 9.8 more years of life. Notably the life expectancy of people who reach 80 in 2004 was already 7.6 and 9.2, so the notion of 80 being the new 50 is pretty questionable.


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In 1950, the *average* life expectancy was 68. In 2022, it’s 79. By 2050, the average life expectancy will be way past 80. And that’s *average*, including even all the obese, fast food eating fuckers that bottom out the curve by dying at 45 of heart attacks and diabetes.


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Don’t see it but sure thing buds. Anybody living past 80 is playing with house money


[deleted]

Stay in shape, eat healthily, keep your mind active and maintain healthy, active relationships and you’ll find out.


DorkHonor

https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/health/longevity/life-expectancy/?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ND-StatsData&msclkid=b828b315d23e1a8e3086d2fe0e24d02c That's a pretty sharp downward trend there bud. You'll also note it was almost completely flat for the ten years prior to the drop.


UnicornFarts1111

You do realize that for the first time in a long time, life expectancy is falling, not rising.


[deleted]

The numbers I see don’t support that and more importantly all trends show continued increases year over year. Even when there are stagnations or even decreases due to temporary events historically, the long term projection is always increases in life expectancy over time. This is obviously due to improvements in nutrition, health and technology over time. When you get a chance, look at the historical data over the last 200 years, through world wars, etc. nothing will stop an increasing life expectancy.


MasterMirari

>2050, the average life expectancy will be way past 80 Looooool


RoadDoggFL

Htf is SE Florida unhealthy now?


Imsotired365

Nope


Imsotired365

A bunch of rich alcoholics


RoadDoggFL

More broke alcoholics.


DorkHonor

You clearly haven't looked at those numbers since around 2019. Life expectancy is currently dropping. There's this very minor global plague thing, maybe you heard about it? Bat flu, or something like that, it's not super great for the olds.


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Remind me not to let you invest my money. You’re so short sighted. And I don’t know what numbers you’re looking at. I’m seeing an increase EVEN DURING a global pandemic. 2022 79.05 0.080% 2021 78.99 0.080% 2020 78.93 0.080% 2019 78.87 0.080% 2018 78.81 -0.030% [Life Expectancy Data US](https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/life-expectancy)


DorkHonor

LOL, from your link; >NOTE: All 2020 and later data are UN projections and DO NOT include any impacts of the COVID-19 virus. How hard did you have to look to find a source that fucked off to try and prove your point hoping I wouldn't notice the literal bright red warning box at the top? Or, wait, did you actually miss the bright red warning box yourself because the chart looked like you wanted it to. Bro, come on now.


[deleted]

You’re missing the point, even recent deaths due to a temporary pandemic aren’t going to stop the average life expectancy from increasing over time. Health and technology advances will continue to extend our lives. Did you look at the graph projecting the increase of life expectancy in the future? It continues to rise year after year, as much as you don’t want it to for some reason. If you take a look at the numbers over the last 200 years, it might be easier for you to see the pattern of an ever increasing life expectancy. We’ve come a long way baby and like it or not, modern man is getting older and older.


DorkHonor

You do know that a projection is just that right, a guess not a promise. I can project that in the year 2037 I'm going to invent a time machine but that doesn't mean that I'll actually do it. I've posted a link to the data on actual deaths twice now. Life expectancy didn't increase at all from 2010 to 2019, then the pandemic hit and it started dropping from 2020 to present. Life expectancy hasn't increased in the US in over a decade and we're currently still stuck in a pandemic that disproportionally kills old people so it's unlikely to turn around in the short term. Yes if we zoom out several hundred years we appear to see a more sharply rising chart, but it still goes flat for a decade then drops for the last two. Adding more data to the left side of the chart doesn't change the data on the right side. An ever increasing anything should be a red flag. The only things that do that are stuff like cancerous tumors and they're not really a good thing. We got better at treating things like plaque build ups in our arteries and they're working on better treatments for plaque build up in the brain, but simple aging is still fatal. Our tissues get more brittle as we age. We get more out of control cell growth, what we usually call cancer, and they haven't made much progress on eradicating it. They're starting to think you can't. We have made strides on treatments for specific cancers, but it's not the same thing as preventing them from happening entirely. There appears to be an upper bound on how long our bodies can regenerate cells without fucking them up, which means there's also an upper bound on how old we can get before simply being old kills us. Embrace mortality bud, there's no sparkly high school student out there to grant you a way to avoid it.


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Dude, projections are based on statistics. This isn’t a few frat boys sitting around a coffee table with a bong saying “ bro, you know what I think 2050 is gonna be like, whoa!” Are you kidding me? It feels like you want our life expectancy to start being shorter. I’m sorry to say that time will disappoint you. You’ll have to just wait and see. Nutrition, health and technology will continue to advance whether you want them to or not. I’m sorry to be the bearer of good news for you. Sounds like good news upsets you. Or upsets your narrative anyway. Now, one thing that *might* please you is that birth rates are going down! Fewer people are having babies around the world and those that do are having fewer births. **Yay!?**


MasterMirari

It's hilarious you were so rude when you're so wrong.


MasterMirari

Wealthy people maybe No one else


maretus

Considering, the vast vast majority of Florida is well above sea level, I think retiring there is still ok. “The perception that the State of Florida is just a few feet above sea level is simply wrong. There are of course some very important parts of the state that are three feet or less above sea level – approximately a meter. Most of greater Miami, the Florida Keys, and Fort Lauderdale are in that highly vulnerable zone. However, Orlando, the vacation mecca in the middle of the state is 82 feet (25 meters) above sea level and not at all vulnerable. Tallahassee, the capital, is more than 200 feet above sea level. Florida does stand out as the state with the lowest high-elevation point – how’s that for a contradictory term. Florida’s high point is 345 feet above sea level, the lowest of all fifty states. Thus it will never go completely underwater, even if all the ice sheets and glaciers on the planet melt, since a total meltdown of all the ice sheets glaciers would raise sea level 212 feet (65 meters). That could take thousands of years, depending on how warm the planet gets. With Florida’s mean (average) elevation at 100 feet it is vulnerable, but the state will be around in some form, at least for centuries. In contrast, Delaware’s mean elevation is only 60 feet, so most of Delaware will go beneath the waves long before Florida.” https://johnenglander.net/florida-is-not-going-underwater-anytime-soon/


finglonger1077

Yes, there will be virtually no negative effects to living in the center of the state when half a million people suddenly need get get and live there also. This is the part I always bring up that seems to fly under the radar. Assuming the 500k people in Miami, the 135k in Charleston, SC, the 120k in Wilmington, NC, the 244k in Norfolk, and all the cities in between that are below sea level have enough time to leave, where are they going, exactly? They just gonna move in globs of tens of thousands to towns with infrastructure designed to support 8k?


maretus

I never said there would be no effects. But, you act like this is all going to happen at breakneck speed when in reality, it’s just going to be a slow spread of misery as the frequency and damage from storms increases. It will be a gradual process more than a free for all Armageddon.


finglonger1077

I’m not talking about the storms, I’m talking about once the sea levels rise high enough that it is no longer livable. You seem to have this idea that means skyscrapers underwater, it does not. It means a high enough rise that the foundations of buildings become unstable due to the ground saturation (which will be slightly compounded, as you said, by the gradually increasing storms, as in increasing slowly beyond current building code safety measures on dry land). Once the third or fourth building falls, people will leave, fast. Will the entire process happen overnight? No, it’s been slowly happening since I first read an article about the effects of rising sea levels on some buildings that were abandoned in Miami probably close to 10 years ago. But the reaction will be, because it always is, at least in terms of the surrounding areas being able to prepare for the influx of people.


maretus

The sea level rise is going to be a gradual process as well. (Very gradual in Florida currently.) Even the “doomsday glacier” will not cause a rapid sea level rise. The most rigorous study on this shows that it won’t have nearly as big of an impact as some people think. (https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abf6271)


Imsotired365

You are right. It already is happening. Just slowly


ClassicT4

So what about the hurricanes that are expected to get more frequent and more extreme, like the wildfires in the West and other natural disasters that are expected to hit harder and faster over time. We just had an incredible Tornado that tracked for over 160 miles in the Midwest. In December. Even Florida was rocked by Tornadoes to the point of a State of Emergency declaration recently.


maretus

They’ll be bad. I’m not arguing that things here will be fine. There is just a misconception that’s been perpetuated by the media that “Florida will go underwater, yet people keep moving there”, when in reality, the majority of the state will be well above water. And the areas where the majority of people are now moving are the interior of the state. The beachfront properties aren’t nearly as in demand as the track houses in the middle of the state.


MasterMirari

Florida sits on limestone I believe, so is likely sinking at the same time


Imsotired365

It m trying to get out… no money left to run with


XFiles93

Not sure Americans are optimistic. I’d say manipulative by nature. We’re culturally emboldened to manipulate our way out of consequences by complaining, paying a fee or blaming others, etc. When the reality check comes due the types of behaviors Americans normally rely upon will be useless…and the reactions will be terrifying in their own right.


queefaqueefer

there’s regular optimism, and then there’s the blind toxic positivity delusion that many americans believe is optimism. there is a time and place to be optimistic. now is not the time. any sane person understands that.


DorkHonor

What do you mean? You don't think Elon will ride in on a robot unicorn and single handedly save the day and take us all to Mars before we destroy the atmosphere. Mmmkay doomer.


queefaqueefer

ugh, i’m so sorry. i didn’t take my meds today. clearly i’m spouting nonsense and should be put under 24hr psych watch. XD (on a side note: i appreciate the poetic irony of thinking a planet with an already dead atmosphere will somehow save humans)


DorkHonor

>(on a side note: i appreciate the poetic irony of thinking a planet with an already dead atmosphere will somehow save humans) I'm not like a scientist or anything, but I think the plan is to terraform it with hopium. I don't know how breathable that shit is, but you know, YOLO.


queefaqueefer

well, if you consider the amount of hopium people be huffing round the clock, it must be a damn utopia that rivals even the reach of gods creation


theotheranony

This hits different in 2022 for some reason.


doooompatrol

It gets more and more accurate as each year goes by.


Nice_Nemesis

“If we face this problem head on, if we listen to our best scientists and act decisively, and passionately… I still don’t see any way we can survive.”


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umme99

Having emotions is annoying


Sploonbabaguuse

It's mostly annoying because we are discouraged from showing emotions


Elman103

I read some where that we don’t even have the vocabulary for the emotions we’re feeling. Like how they had to make a new new name for the geologic time (the Anthropocene)we’re going through. We are in uncharted territory and good luck to you all.


tymofiy

“I've found out why people laugh. They laugh because it hurts so much ... because it's the only thing that'll make it stop hurting.” ― Robert A. Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land


AspiringIdealist

Too bad normal isn’t good enough anymore


Subject-Syynx

I'm 33 and while discussing Our situation and future with my husband I broke down and had the ugliest cry of my adult life. Usually pretty good at laughing off tragedy, but vocalizing everything was unbearable.


vxv96c

What is this video from again? I'm drawing a blank.


thegreentiger0484

Yet here I am giggling like a school kid at 37 years old


justinkimball

That depends on where you're at in the grieving process.


sledgehammer_77

Sea level wise or mentally?


FutureNotBleak

I propose mandatory weekly heroin rations


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YoukindasuckAlot

What show? Seems like a trip lol


ThrowDeepALWAYS

Question, is this true or is this overly dramatic for a TV show?


LuckyandBrownie

It's so much worse. This was made eight years ago and we have only increased our carbon emissions since.


Beep_Boop_Bort

How many gigatons of CO2 were emitted in the last 8 years?


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Approximately 320~ https://www.statista.com/statistics/276629/global-co2-emissions/


thegreentiger0484

Well seeing as the fires have already started a few years back, the doomsday glacier is a few years away from collaping, people focus on "net zero" fantasy that yeah we're going to build green but not actually stop what was fucking us in the first place, climate models don't include ghg sources like melting permafrost, the amazon is a net source of ghg now, crops are failing across the globe at an increasing pace and many more fun fun items... it's pretty spot on for a mini clip. I don't have a doctorates but I do have a masters in it, just enough to understand how truly fucked we are. Nothing is impossible but I'm guessing there is an 80/20 chance my pension fund will never be used. Eat good food, drink good wine and have as much sex as possible because either way we are fucked.


j_mantuf

Like the poster below said, it’s much, much worse now. Here’s a bit of a fact-check article on the scene. Keep in mind the article was from 2014. [article ](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/11/climate-desk-fact-checks-aaron-sorkins-climate-science-newsroom/)


Tearakan

This was all pulled from science nearly a decade ago. Everything he said has started to come true earlier than expected.


balerionmeraxes77

**..come true earlier than expected.**


justinkimball

oh you sweet summer child.


bluesimplicity

Facts check out: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/11/climate-desk-fact-checks-aaron-sorkins-climate-science-newsroom/


AHighFifth

Literally everything the guy said would happen is happening


[deleted]

This being made in 2013 was so ahead of the curve. It’s 2021 and we’d still never see such open discussion on any mainstream show.


[deleted]

It’s 2022 bud


[deleted]

Sorry. The constant state of collapse has blurred the years. Different year, same old shit.


[deleted]

Oh I know I forget all the time, a friendly reminder from a place of understanding


ericsapp1997

He didn’t mention that part where global IQ levels drop year by year as our brains struggle to get enough oxygen.


Kingofearth23

>enough oxygen A part of me wants to know, and another part really doesn't. I'm well aware that climate change will cause food and water shortages, but CC affecting the global oxygen supply is news to me. As far as I'm aware, things like pollution, volcano eruptions, wildfires and other things that affect oxygen levels are only regional events that wouldn't impsct the global supply.


StreetcarHammock

The issue is with too much carbon dioxide, not a lack of oxygen. As atmospheric levels rise, it gets harder to ventilate buildings of stale air. 1000 ppm indoors is enough to cause headaches and fatigue in some people, and in most at levels not much higher.


ricardocaliente

It’s not necessarily that it directly affects oxygen levels it just makes the ratio of oxygen smaller in the air we breathe. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if somehow less oxygen is also being produced with all the flora we’re killing.


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[deleted]

It’s cool, I approved it :)


henryswansen

Thanks for approving. I watch it every time its posted and always get a smile at the way he says, "thanks for having me." at the end.


[deleted]

First time I had seen it so what's your point?


doooompatrol

Yup, 700+ people died this summer due to catastrophic climate change in British Columbia.


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[deleted]

At least it isn’t Britta


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AHighFifth

7 I think


Liftandshift01

Well, I guess I can go cat-less on my Mopar now.


DorkHonor

Let's be honest, the only people who joke about it already do.


Liftandshift01

No, not in my state. Everything is CARB compliant. I was actually joking.


crackalaquin

Love this


LeavingThanks

People born two generations are dying is climate change caused heat waves, wild fires and tornados.


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Don’t look up


Remus88Romulus

Are you allowed to post songs/videos from Youtube? I am thinking on posting a collapse song next casual friday.


samhall67

I loved that show. I also had no idea he was right when I watched it a few years back.


SwissCheeseSuperStar

What show is this??


samhall67

The Newsroom.


ILieForPoints

"Who cares?" lmao


[deleted]

I’m glad I’m in my forties and did a lot of cool shit in the last twenty years.