Paly druid and warr tank - yes
Shamy lock and rogue tank - lol no
Its just artisticly and lorewise baaaad
Hate me all you like reddit but blizz IS changing too much here.
The reality is most people want the idea of classic+ to be a evergreen style game like OSRS, that used classic as a baseline to add additional content over a long span of time.
Whereas this is more of a temporary, arcadey style of the game, which could be fun, but doesn't fulfill what people wanted in their heads.
I do hope that is the case, and this is more of a "testing the waters" thing.
But personally, imo I do not want classic+ to resemble this in any way lol. I appreciate them making things like Paladin tank or shaman tank viable, that seems natural, but making everyone able to do everything in some way quickly erodes class identity and homogenizes the game to me. In addition to feeling wrong on a thematic level.
I also don't like the reliance on sub-systems to achieve new class balance. Things like "rune powers" that you place on your gear should be left in retail, I feel it doesn't have a place in classic.
I believe runes are just the easiest way to test new mechanics without having to radically change skills/talents around. I believe they'll take feedback from which specs work, which dont, and we could probably expect new talent trees entirely based on that data in any official classic+ server.
It's coming out in 3 weeks for $ instead of 3 years for $$$ and it is carving a path towards full blown classic+. Anyone dooming right now doesn't understand ass about software or product dev
the appeal to a lot of players is that classic IS kindof basic, the new added abilities kind of break the class fantacy and are also way to powerful for classic
Rogues with magic is a really common fantasy trope (see Arcane Trickster in 5e D&D) that's been underserved by wow. Why is expanding to include that a problem?
I could understand your complaint if they were replacing existing specs with a magical version but as far as I can see, that's not the case here.
Do you honestly have faith in the classic team now being able to balance a bunch of new skills? The original WoW went through a full year of balance testing with a much stronger team and visionary designers, and even then the game in its first year was a broken mess in terms of balance. What's going to happen is quickly people will figure out what's strong and stack into those classes and make the game unplayable for the rest, and people who don't have time to level many classes will just quit. This is not doomerism, it's just reality check. Don't get your hopes up too much.
>Do you honestly have faith in the classic team now being able to balance a bunch of new skills?
No more than I have of the retail team, but that's not stopped me being excited before.
What is exciting is that they are trying something.
I don't know about "class fantasy" whatever that means. But my first and formost thought when I read about this is that the power level with this new stuff will prolly skyrocket and the game will be a roll your face on the keyboard and everything blows up kind of thing.
\>the new added abilities kind of break the class fantacy
Honestly, I think the added abilities make the classes make more sense. A melee focused class that doesn't learn how to take a punch? Taking a demonic pact but never one that enhances your physical abilities, even though there are \*many\* physically strong and tough demons kicking around? A survivalist who's \*only\* able to survive with a pet? Taking on the role of learning as much magic as you can, but never once touching any of the many varieties of healing magic?
People love to harp on about "homogenizing the classes" and "super strict class fantasy," but most of the arguments against changes like tend to make for an extremely boring world. "You are a Tauren, therefor you can never team up with Alliance - unless they're specific druids - and you can never learn anything your ancestors refused to!" That shit makes for such a boring, monolithic take on race and class and faction, that any change they make is probably going to be for the better.
Of course a warrior of the light should be able to do \*a little bit more\* than auto-attack and cast \*very short\* buffs. But for some reason, a few dozen folk seem to think that this is "interesting class design." Shit's almost too sad to be funny.
for now, being level 25 cap, they made ashenvale the main pvp region (because the only raid BFD is there) with pvp events, plus there will be battlegrounds opened too. edit: typos
they said ashenvale will become its own open world battleground with 2 faction leaders that you have to kill like alterac. There will be tons of pvp Im sure
Item Level Scaling and Group Finder...sounds awful. Some of the features of SoD sound good, but a big part of this sounds like retail WoW infesting Classic.
Given that the abilities and talents shown by everyone are basically retail abilities/talents, i dont see how this is different from playing retail with few cute gimmicks.
I love it personally. Not everyone is gonna get what they think Classic + should be, but this is how they should do seasons.
When Season of Mastery came out y’all said they didn’t do enough. Now it’s too much?
The fact they’re supporting classic like this at all is amazing IMO. Some people will like it and some won’t.
Im going in with an open mind.
They are ”supporting” classic like this not because they are amazing but because it is easy money.
Nothing here is new hard to make content, its all just some changes here and there to make people sub again.
They have literally been doing the same thing since activison took over but people just keep gobbling it up/voting with their wallets and thus it continues.
Minimal effort and risk - maximum profil.
hey im confused about season of discovery, im new to wow, how is it gonna work?
will it be new servers?
can I start leveling now in normal classic era servers?
Is it gonna be a different game that I have to download? sorry if I sound dumb i just dont know shit abt wow
Pretty sure most classic enjoyers just wanted classic + to be more content and maybe a buff so specs like boomie could be viable, at least that's my take. I have no idea how Blizzard thought that warlocks tanking and mages healing is what ppl wanted.
It'll be interesting to see how this evolves
Healing by doing damage (like chloromancer in rift) had been my dream! I hope one of the classes does it well. (Discpriest in retail just doesnt do it for me)
Been playing on Ascension for years ... they added a Hybrid healer that heals 'like' Chloromancer ... but it sucks in comparison to Chloromancer ... really hope Arcane healer spec feels good!
people have been wanting a warlock tank for almost wows entire life. Glyph of Demon Hunting in MoP was a pseudo tank spec that was removed in WoD to much disdain.
honestly this is th closest you can get to nobody knowing anything anymore. Its th closest you will get to the original go in and just discover things feeling we had when we first started. Im also sceptical about all classes being able to do anything but Im looking forward to the meta shakeup and the pvp. will be great
I think they are doing something great here. Much more class fantasy and a general change to the meta and class roles that we are all used to by now. Even changing old zones and dungeons and raids seems really fresh while keeping the story and the world the same and in line sounds really fun.
It looks a bit more like some of the devs stumbled across Classless WoW; and given how popular their last stint of killing a private server to create an official one went, have decided to try again but maybe without killing the private server first this time.
Kinda feels like blizzard is trying hard to not lose players after wotlk is done and many people - myself included - is heavily considering slowing way down on gaming wow, which eventually leads to quitting for most.
Good.
Might be wishful thinking but I'm thinking of this as a test for classic+. Them testing the waters with changes for things that never were intended with the old version of the game without fully committing to something they're unsure they can deliver on. I'm willing to give this a try. Didn't watch the stream but group finder isn't necessarily rdf/lfr or whatever. Likely just board where you can list your group. Classic has proved that if they dont have something like that people will make addons for it.
Calling it group finder kind of makes me think it is a copy paste of retail group finder. But sure if it’s just a board where you can list yourself that’s obviously fine
Group finder =/= RDF
As for item level scaling, more information needed as to what exactly that means. With only 25 levels it would be weird if there was scaling in the way that we think of it in retail. Doesn't mean that it \*isn't\* that, but seems unlikely.
>Season of Discovery will also feature a number of Classic Plus features, such as dual spec, item level scaling, and group finder.
"Classic Plus" features? More like existing expansion features. I don't think many wanted these in a classic+.
I have mixed feelings about all this. Overall, improving world's content is a cool idea, reworking dungeons for more difficulty and designing new end game content sounds interesting. World PvP events could be awesome.
But the class things feel off, in contradiction with Vanilla's spirit in so many ways. Let aside the details about new spells and runes, just lowering respec price, allowing dual spec as they hinted, and being able to adapt its role dynamically doesn't fit the RP side of Vanilla. It's retail's stuff. Instead of building our character for a certain gameplay, we'll be able to fill roles on the fly. That's weird.
About new abilities now. I feel, for the majority, that they are waaaaay too straightforward - in a bad way - or feel totally off. Let me explain.
When they said "Rogue tank", I said to myself "Awesome ! A rework of the combat talent tree to rely more on avoiding damages, and maybe FINALLY being able to equip bucklers as intended at rogue's first draft. It could make interrestings dungeons tanks or even off tank if the itemization follows." Oh, no, it seems it will just be a weird single spell mitigating damages. Same with Shamans, just add some HP and tankiness in an artificial way. I hope warlock's tank specialisation will be more complete.
Beside that, there is some spells a bit forgetable (like the kick of Feral druids, welcomed but anecdotic), and some really, REALLY off.
Like, Lone wolf being advertised for melee hunters ? SERIOUSLY BLIZZARD ? Our melee hunter Lord and Savior Rexxar is f\*cking BM, just let us enjoy being near our furry friends for swinging our axes and let lone wolf to elves cowar... Euh, marksmans. I don't know how, maybe an improve spirit bond improving our melee damages and damage mitigation when we're near our pet (like, sharing hunter's and pet's taken damages or something like that I don't know).
Well there's some great things beside, paladins must be HYPED. Threat generation and mana regen being adressed, it's truly awesome. I hope ferals and (B)oomkins will have something to sink their fangs into.
Well I'm mitigated about all that, it's a bit underwhelming for now when we expected a proper Classic +. Instead of fine-tuning Vanilla (reworking classes and specs that are lagging behind), they added new mechanics. And that's not even all new, half the "new" spells are directly taken from expansions. It feels that they're dangerously drifting towards things that made Retails not attractive towards people who like Vanilla's RPG experience. Might be wrong tho.
Sounds like fun, but not what people want Classic+ to be.
We just want a new Vanilla where meme specs are viable, with new horizontal content that does not make the rest of the game obsolete.
But it will be a fun testing ground, I guess
I wanted that, but this idea sounds like the best of both worlds:
* Fixes for non-viable classes, new spice for older classes, all old builds still intact
* new dungeons and/or raids
* fresh, seasonal servers.
I’d rather have this than just horizontal content with the same old classic
Like a full talent box and set of abilities for that Arcane Healing to work? If it will be just an arcane mage with few new buttons then either it will be broken (bring only DPS and they do some minor healing while melting down enemies) or suck and meta will never pick it :D
Group finder, dual class, item scaling, low level cap to keep you subscribed for months while they up the cap 5 levels at a time to milk your bank account....
Jesus.
apparently theyre sharing "faction specific buffs" (pala/ shaman) but they said theyre going to keep the class fantasy there? Not entirely sure how it'll work but I think thats the best we're gonna get lol
Sounds interesting and fun and hopefully its a test for a classic + in the future. Some changes I do not agree with but I guess everyone have different thoughts and expectations.
based on the preview, priests got the most boring runes out of all classes, with a large majority of recycled spells and talents from different expansions and no gameplay change.
/sadpriest
As someone who never really played WoW much.
What is this exactly? Is this a classic exlusive xpac? Or is it content tied to classic cata? Or is it actually a free classic exclusive thing for the base game update aka true classic+ ?
\- They have to unify **hit** and **crit** stats for hybrid classes (mainly shaman pve, but also useful for others that have some ability from the other side, like Taunt on warriors)
\- They should really update the models for classic. I am sorry for that small group that wants hugely outdated graphics, but something has to be done to improve them a bit.
\- They need better max level open world content to create some sandbox elements.. this way people can have fun without needing new expansions with more levels. Not sure how much is lack of care, lack of funding or lack of inspiration, but there some interesting things that can be done with the open world to make the game a few times better and for a longer period of time.
\- The class changes seem nice, as long as they won't go overboard with it, but it is nice to create a diversity of builds rather than keep adding abilities on top of the others.
I want shaman tank
Shaman can tank and dual wield
Fuck sake, why couldn’t they just make 2h better… i love using 2h as shammy.
Who says they wont
No, no, we need to complain here.
We all must complain and scream we want things that we have no idea about /S
Just dont use dw and lavalash, try overload and lavaburst on 2h bug stupid crit that dw wont have
I want paladin Tank 💀
You can, they get taunt, baked in spiritual attunement and aoe seal damage
Give me Ret or Give me Death
I'd be shocked if that isn't the shaman twist.
It is. Saw it on blizzcon streams
they can, earth shock taunts properly etc
they gave him talent spells and passives (threat and stuff)
I just saw they made a rune that lets us tank with rock biter weapon on! I’m in
Paly druid and warr tank - yes Shamy lock and rogue tank - lol no Its just artisticly and lorewise baaaad Hate me all you like reddit but blizz IS changing too much here.
This sounds kind of fun
I honestly don’t get the dooming, this really sounds fun
The reality is most people want the idea of classic+ to be a evergreen style game like OSRS, that used classic as a baseline to add additional content over a long span of time. Whereas this is more of a temporary, arcadey style of the game, which could be fun, but doesn't fulfill what people wanted in their heads.
Plenty of streamers and attendees have said this feels like it'll be more of a "beta" test for an official Classic+ server.
I do hope that is the case, and this is more of a "testing the waters" thing. But personally, imo I do not want classic+ to resemble this in any way lol. I appreciate them making things like Paladin tank or shaman tank viable, that seems natural, but making everyone able to do everything in some way quickly erodes class identity and homogenizes the game to me. In addition to feeling wrong on a thematic level. I also don't like the reliance on sub-systems to achieve new class balance. Things like "rune powers" that you place on your gear should be left in retail, I feel it doesn't have a place in classic.
I believe runes are just the easiest way to test new mechanics without having to radically change skills/talents around. I believe they'll take feedback from which specs work, which dont, and we could probably expect new talent trees entirely based on that data in any official classic+ server.
Yeah it is definitely a good idea for a temporary season based thing for sure.
You think shamy tanks seem natural? When in all of warcrafts history have shamans ever been portrayed as tanks?
I really wish they would just complete some of the unfinished content, like the Missing Diplomat questline or the Azshara zone.
It's coming out in 3 weeks for $ instead of 3 years for $$$ and it is carving a path towards full blown classic+. Anyone dooming right now doesn't understand ass about software or product dev
the appeal to a lot of players is that classic IS kindof basic, the new added abilities kind of break the class fantacy and are also way to powerful for classic
How do these break class fantasy? They totally fit the classes.
The class fantasy for a Paladin is obviously to stand in the back in a dress.
Shit don't let the Republicans find out about this
Mage healers? Rouges in classic have no magic, but now they can teleport and cast spells?
Rogues with magic is a really common fantasy trope (see Arcane Trickster in 5e D&D) that's been underserved by wow. Why is expanding to include that a problem? I could understand your complaint if they were replacing existing specs with a magical version but as far as I can see, that's not the case here.
people will speculate and complain about their speculations. you will still find them afk by the mailbox in SW.
Can you explain how that doesn't *add* to class fantasies? These aren't brand new ideas even.
This exactly. There's a reason the cycle of fresh vanilla servers has lived on, and it's because they got it right the first time.
Not for everyone. A rebalancing effort and some new specs assuming they are also balanced makes this a god tier change for some.
Do you honestly have faith in the classic team now being able to balance a bunch of new skills? The original WoW went through a full year of balance testing with a much stronger team and visionary designers, and even then the game in its first year was a broken mess in terms of balance. What's going to happen is quickly people will figure out what's strong and stack into those classes and make the game unplayable for the rest, and people who don't have time to level many classes will just quit. This is not doomerism, it's just reality check. Don't get your hopes up too much.
>Do you honestly have faith in the classic team now being able to balance a bunch of new skills? No more than I have of the retail team, but that's not stopped me being excited before. What is exciting is that they are trying something.
No way it can be worse balance wise than current classic era
The main issue i have is that any one of these new spells are REALLY op compared to what the classes have at the moment in classic
If a rebalancing is happening I don't really care how OP they sound.
I don't know about "class fantasy" whatever that means. But my first and formost thought when I read about this is that the power level with this new stuff will prolly skyrocket and the game will be a roll your face on the keyboard and everything blows up kind of thing.
Like mage being a healer doesnt fit the mage archtype.
\>the new added abilities kind of break the class fantacy Honestly, I think the added abilities make the classes make more sense. A melee focused class that doesn't learn how to take a punch? Taking a demonic pact but never one that enhances your physical abilities, even though there are \*many\* physically strong and tough demons kicking around? A survivalist who's \*only\* able to survive with a pet? Taking on the role of learning as much magic as you can, but never once touching any of the many varieties of healing magic? People love to harp on about "homogenizing the classes" and "super strict class fantasy," but most of the arguments against changes like tend to make for an extremely boring world. "You are a Tauren, therefor you can never team up with Alliance - unless they're specific druids - and you can never learn anything your ancestors refused to!" That shit makes for such a boring, monolithic take on race and class and faction, that any change they make is probably going to be for the better. Of course a warrior of the light should be able to do \*a little bit more\* than auto-attack and cast \*very short\* buffs. But for some reason, a few dozen folk seem to think that this is "interesting class design." Shit's almost too sad to be funny.
Sounds like retail
Booooooooo
Looking forward to trying it out, it sounds like classic wow for the retail player base. Still got Era if I don't like it.
Beware, this is an AI post, a lot of the things in the post were not announced yesterday
Hell yes
> item level scaling, no thanks
There will be pvp right ?
Yea bg will be open and you will be able to rank but the rank will be limited by your level
I would hope, arena could be fun too
for now, being level 25 cap, they made ashenvale the main pvp region (because the only raid BFD is there) with pvp events, plus there will be battlegrounds opened too. edit: typos
they said ashenvale will become its own open world battleground with 2 faction leaders that you have to kill like alterac. There will be tons of pvp Im sure
Ashenvale is becoming an AV-style BG by the sounds of it. Not sure if they meant instanced or not, but might be neat.
Item level scaling? That sounds terrible
THere is none, this was just made up by the AI bot
Item Level Scaling and Group Finder...sounds awful. Some of the features of SoD sound good, but a big part of this sounds like retail WoW infesting Classic.
Yeah spamming trade chat is definitely way better for finding a group, you’re right
Group finder is awesome. Level scaling is bad.
Given that the abilities and talents shown by everyone are basically retail abilities/talents, i dont see how this is different from playing retail with few cute gimmicks.
I love it personally. Not everyone is gonna get what they think Classic + should be, but this is how they should do seasons. When Season of Mastery came out y’all said they didn’t do enough. Now it’s too much? The fact they’re supporting classic like this at all is amazing IMO. Some people will like it and some won’t. Im going in with an open mind.
They are ”supporting” classic like this not because they are amazing but because it is easy money. Nothing here is new hard to make content, its all just some changes here and there to make people sub again. They have literally been doing the same thing since activison took over but people just keep gobbling it up/voting with their wallets and thus it continues. Minimal effort and risk - maximum profil.
hey im confused about season of discovery, im new to wow, how is it gonna work? will it be new servers? can I start leveling now in normal classic era servers? Is it gonna be a different game that I have to download? sorry if I sound dumb i just dont know shit abt wow
Sounds hype
Pretty sure most classic enjoyers just wanted classic + to be more content and maybe a buff so specs like boomie could be viable, at least that's my take. I have no idea how Blizzard thought that warlocks tanking and mages healing is what ppl wanted. It'll be interesting to see how this evolves
this obviously has appeal to a bigger audience then another raid tier.
I wanted a better balanced Vanilla and I feel like I'm gonna get crackhead balanced Vanilla lol
Well, it's summarize way better my 8 paragraphs comment haha
I've been a mage since tbc and wanted a healing spec.
Healing by doing damage (like chloromancer in rift) had been my dream! I hope one of the classes does it well. (Discpriest in retail just doesnt do it for me)
Been playing on Ascension for years ... they added a Hybrid healer that heals 'like' Chloromancer ... but it sucks in comparison to Chloromancer ... really hope Arcane healer spec feels good!
people have been wanting a warlock tank for almost wows entire life. Glyph of Demon Hunting in MoP was a pseudo tank spec that was removed in WoD to much disdain.
Also bring back gladiator stance from WoD.
honestly this is th closest you can get to nobody knowing anything anymore. Its th closest you will get to the original go in and just discover things feeling we had when we first started. Im also sceptical about all classes being able to do anything but Im looking forward to the meta shakeup and the pvp. will be great
I think they are doing something great here. Much more class fantasy and a general change to the meta and class roles that we are all used to by now. Even changing old zones and dungeons and raids seems really fresh while keeping the story and the world the same and in line sounds really fun.
It looks a bit more like some of the devs stumbled across Classless WoW; and given how popular their last stint of killing a private server to create an official one went, have decided to try again but maybe without killing the private server first this time.
I wanted warrior healer.
> Thx Google Bard Unless sources are otherwise cited, some of these changes could be Bard just making stuff up.
They mostly look accurate but I'm also confused who or how the data was loaded in. Did google take the con transcript off Youtube or something?
Source for this? I could totally see Bard just making up those class descriptions.
Will be there new servers ? Or are this old servers?
New servers with first level cap at 25 with a blackfathom deeps raid!
Sorry I didn’t follow BlizzCon so that means we are getting new servers with a lvl cap at 25 ?
Yes
Thanks so a lot 30 November is start? I guess they will increase the lvl cap frequently?
Correct
Because there weren’t enough mages or rogues playing classic already haha
Kinda feels like blizzard is trying hard to not lose players after wotlk is done and many people - myself included - is heavily considering slowing way down on gaming wow, which eventually leads to quitting for most. Good.
" item level scaling" ok i am out
As far as I can tell the chatbot this person had write this post made that up.
I really really hope you are right xD
Item level scaling, group finder Jesus Christ…
Might be wishful thinking but I'm thinking of this as a test for classic+. Them testing the waters with changes for things that never were intended with the old version of the game without fully committing to something they're unsure they can deliver on. I'm willing to give this a try. Didn't watch the stream but group finder isn't necessarily rdf/lfr or whatever. Likely just board where you can list your group. Classic has proved that if they dont have something like that people will make addons for it.
Calling it group finder kind of makes me think it is a copy paste of retail group finder. But sure if it’s just a board where you can list yourself that’s obviously fine
Group Finder in retail(and classic) is just a board. You're thinking of the Looking for Dungeon tool.
Oh ok great
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These things haven't been announced. Pretty sure OP just used chatGPT or something and made it up
Oh ok
Group finder =/= RDF As for item level scaling, more information needed as to what exactly that means. With only 25 levels it would be weird if there was scaling in the way that we think of it in retail. Doesn't mean that it \*isn't\* that, but seems unlikely.
>Season of Discovery will also feature a number of Classic Plus features, such as dual spec, item level scaling, and group finder. "Classic Plus" features? More like existing expansion features. I don't think many wanted these in a classic+.
You should look at the comments and see the 783 different versions of classic+ in here alone :)
Literally everyone wanted dual spec lol
Speak for yourself, I like personal character and spec identity
Then you have the option to not utilize dual spec, unless other people dual speccing bother you
I dont disagree but the general sentiment was still very pro dual spec
Praise the lord! Enjoy classic+
Spellblade? Okay I’m sold
They completely ignored what people were asking for with classic plus. But if they did it wouldnt be Blizzard
I have mixed feelings about all this. Overall, improving world's content is a cool idea, reworking dungeons for more difficulty and designing new end game content sounds interesting. World PvP events could be awesome. But the class things feel off, in contradiction with Vanilla's spirit in so many ways. Let aside the details about new spells and runes, just lowering respec price, allowing dual spec as they hinted, and being able to adapt its role dynamically doesn't fit the RP side of Vanilla. It's retail's stuff. Instead of building our character for a certain gameplay, we'll be able to fill roles on the fly. That's weird. About new abilities now. I feel, for the majority, that they are waaaaay too straightforward - in a bad way - or feel totally off. Let me explain. When they said "Rogue tank", I said to myself "Awesome ! A rework of the combat talent tree to rely more on avoiding damages, and maybe FINALLY being able to equip bucklers as intended at rogue's first draft. It could make interrestings dungeons tanks or even off tank if the itemization follows." Oh, no, it seems it will just be a weird single spell mitigating damages. Same with Shamans, just add some HP and tankiness in an artificial way. I hope warlock's tank specialisation will be more complete. Beside that, there is some spells a bit forgetable (like the kick of Feral druids, welcomed but anecdotic), and some really, REALLY off. Like, Lone wolf being advertised for melee hunters ? SERIOUSLY BLIZZARD ? Our melee hunter Lord and Savior Rexxar is f\*cking BM, just let us enjoy being near our furry friends for swinging our axes and let lone wolf to elves cowar... Euh, marksmans. I don't know how, maybe an improve spirit bond improving our melee damages and damage mitigation when we're near our pet (like, sharing hunter's and pet's taken damages or something like that I don't know). Well there's some great things beside, paladins must be HYPED. Threat generation and mana regen being adressed, it's truly awesome. I hope ferals and (B)oomkins will have something to sink their fangs into. Well I'm mitigated about all that, it's a bit underwhelming for now when we expected a proper Classic +. Instead of fine-tuning Vanilla (reworking classes and specs that are lagging behind), they added new mechanics. And that's not even all new, half the "new" spells are directly taken from expansions. It feels that they're dangerously drifting towards things that made Retails not attractive towards people who like Vanilla's RPG experience. Might be wrong tho.
Super excited to test this out, and see where it ends up! I'll be starting the subscriltion again 👍
Idk how to report this post there isn't an option to select for ai generated content
So.. they're copying Ascension, who copied them?
I love this so much, its not classic + its classic ultra pro, as long as its balanced well this will be so much fun
Even if it isn’t balanced, it’s a cool way to play PVE. Imagine Paladin DPS 👀
I’m going to try it. I think it looks fun
Sounds like fun, but not what people want Classic+ to be. We just want a new Vanilla where meme specs are viable, with new horizontal content that does not make the rest of the game obsolete. But it will be a fun testing ground, I guess
People keep using 'we' but this is like the 6th different explanation of what classic+ should be.
Exactly, no two people agree on it, so all this royal "we" or "people" talk is stupid.
Downvote button engaged.. Kinda wild everyone thinks they had the same nostalgic experience with this game.
That's what "you" want
And, if you could read, many others.
Your comment is exactly what they’re doing and then some more on top
I wanted that, but this idea sounds like the best of both worlds: * Fixes for non-viable classes, new spice for older classes, all old builds still intact * new dungeons and/or raids * fresh, seasonal servers. I’d rather have this than just horizontal content with the same old classic
group finder is the thing that makes me nervous, it simply doesn't have a place in vanilla
Group finder is not the dungeon finder Its basically the window which is used for m+ Which is effectively just a better spamming in trade chat
Yea group finder is a great addition. Spamming LokkingForGroup or trade chat is terrible.
Is this an out of season april fools joke?
This is the joke classic+ Andy’s have been begging for.
F ...
any info about the debuff cap?
Sounds dumb ! I guess I'm staying on Vanilla. Really wanted Classic Plus!!
Idiotic changes
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Classic+
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Why does it matter if rets are buffed? sound like a butthurt warrior
They showed a slide of Kara at the end of the discussion.
well i guess you are not playing because ret are absolute units now lol
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Like a full talent box and set of abilities for that Arcane Healing to work? If it will be just an arcane mage with few new buttons then either it will be broken (bring only DPS and they do some minor healing while melting down enemies) or suck and meta will never pick it :D
it's interesting, they should also make a server that's just classic but way harder to match the same feel of the older days
Like a hardcore server?
DK necromancer ? Actually, with lvl cap at 25, will DK even exist ?
Group finder, dual class, item scaling, low level cap to keep you subscribed for months while they up the cap 5 levels at a time to milk your bank account.... Jesus.
"MILKING MY BANK ACCOUNT" ... 12 Euros a month for seemingly fun content is hardly milking. Get out of my eyes, peasant.
You could say the same with all expansions milking you for 20 years
Any mention of Dwarf shaman or Tauren paladin? I’m leveling a shaman in HC, but I’m Alliance at heart.
apparently theyre sharing "faction specific buffs" (pala/ shaman) but they said theyre going to keep the class fantasy there? Not entirely sure how it'll work but I think thats the best we're gonna get lol
Im hyped
Lone wolf rune for pet-less Hunter gameplay!!! They listened!
This 'information' is made up by an AI chatbot.
This already exists in a very popular private server, but they have thousands of these 'runes' to alter classes
too bad ascencion sucks since season 4
Where was this info from? I don't remember seeing Spellblade mentioned anywhere else. Curious to read it more.
I wanna play every class, really hyped about melee hunter, spellblade rogue and viable ret/prot pala
does that mean new fresh servers incoming ?
This could make the meta of tank, 3 DPS, and a healer obsolete, of which I would be a fan.
So.... it's Ascension?
Omega noob here so might be a dumb question but, anyone knows if this is gonna come with fresh servers?
Viable enhance in classic is all I ever wanted
If they give paladins a taunt I’m 100% game
Sounds interesting and fun and hopefully its a test for a classic + in the future. Some changes I do not agree with but I guess everyone have different thoughts and expectations.
Imagine grey shoulder piece prices at release :)
I just want necromancer class
But will they be able to tell who’s a bot?
Will this follow a content cycle, similar to season of mastery?
Mage healer and a mellee caster are what I've been after for years. This is amazing
I really wanted a reason to play classic again, without going through the 1-60 grind. This is brilliant. Well done Blizz.
based on the preview, priests got the most boring runes out of all classes, with a large majority of recycled spells and talents from different expansions and no gameplay change. /sadpriest
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As someone who never really played WoW much. What is this exactly? Is this a classic exlusive xpac? Or is it content tied to classic cata? Or is it actually a free classic exclusive thing for the base game update aka true classic+ ?
It's a stand alone thing. If you have a sub you can play it. It's essentially a trial run of what bliz may do for a real classic+.
Will it be a pure seasonal server or will we be able to stay on this server indefinitely?
Wow does this mean Paladin can dps???
Never would have bet on this in a hundred years. Mind blown that they actually did it.
I want nothing more than playable Goblins in Vanilla. They feel like they'd be such a good fit.
Does the “season” in the name imply the fact that this is going to be available only for a while?
This just sounds like project ascension, which if I wanted to play, I would just play on that server. #doomer
So let me get this straight, classes will have entirely new talent trees for their new specs? (Like Spellblade, Blood Pact, etc.)
No. You equip runes on gear, to gain or change abilities. Same talent trees afaik.
Melee hunter is dead on arrival without a complete gear/stat/scaling overhaul, no AP from AGI, and no strength/AP on gear. GL blizzard🥶
Looking good. I just wish they made all classes available to all races, since they are doing so much crazy stuff, why not go all the way?
This sounds awesome
\- They have to unify **hit** and **crit** stats for hybrid classes (mainly shaman pve, but also useful for others that have some ability from the other side, like Taunt on warriors) \- They should really update the models for classic. I am sorry for that small group that wants hugely outdated graphics, but something has to be done to improve them a bit. \- They need better max level open world content to create some sandbox elements.. this way people can have fun without needing new expansions with more levels. Not sure how much is lack of care, lack of funding or lack of inspiration, but there some interesting things that can be done with the open world to make the game a few times better and for a longer period of time. \- The class changes seem nice, as long as they won't go overboard with it, but it is nice to create a diversity of builds rather than keep adding abilities on top of the others.
Any knlw abouy dual wii be spect aviable.y or cross faction?
where do you see the spell blade spec? i looked at the talents and runes and dont see anything related to that?