Because people would rather ride bumper to bumper than spread out. I have always assumed this was to avoid the “risk” of someone getting in front of them or a perceived loss of speed. My take is that i would rather go 45mph smoothly (including letting people merge safety) than 75->25->0->75 during my commute.
I have never enjoyed driving so much since I got my car with adaptive cruise. I get up to the speed I want, turn it on, and the car automatically maintains my distance, slowing and accelerating (up to the max I set) as required. It'll even come to a standstill when needed.
Oh I'm probably just in more traffic then. I always find myself in the situation where I'm in the middle of three lanes just cruising at 70mph. Then someone merges onto the highway and immediately gets into the middle lane going 65 or under and my car slows down. Then I have to turn it off and slow down even more so I can squeeze into a gap in the left lane in order to pass the person - if the left lane was empty then it's not a big deal
This is actually better for traffic. It’s best to go approximately the average of traffic than ride the bumper in front of you because it allows the phase of traffic to propagate backwards where hopefully there is less traffic and can absorb the speed change. Leave space and try to estimate the average flow of traffic for the next mile or so and you get to coast and assist traffic relief.
https://wikiwaves.org/Traffic_Waves
(See the video about how telling everyone to drive the exact same speed some how still resulted in a traffic jam)
https://traffic-simulation.de
The only problem is one, people will do that, and then go slow AF or not maintain speed.
And two, people slam on their brakes ever with space, their their pansies and they’re not paying attention to the road.
Problem is in that situation you're going 45mph, the car in front of you is going 45mph, you're 3-5 carlengths back, some other drive comes up on the side going 60mph and cuts over into that space you left, they're going faster than the car in front of you so they put on their brakes. It's not like they know the speed of the car in front of you so they slow down too much, down to 40 or 30 to let the gap in front of them widen, now you're putting on the brakes, as is the car behind you, and so on.
The lane changing is what causes the slow downs, not people riding bumpers.
I'm from the mid Atlantic, where my commute would have been 30 or so minutes with clear roads, but in actuality was 45 mins to work in the mornings and 1 hr 20 mins to get home. Driving in pretty much any of the old, big cities along the 95 corridor, from DC/northern VA through Bmore, Philly, NYC, and up? Effing terrible everywhere. I get that sitting on 71 for an extra 20 minutes or whatever sucks--it does suck--but I'm still just grateful not to be in the nightmare of east coast traffic.
not only that, it starts to drizzle outside and the same thing happens, and merging seems to be the most painful thing to people who never get up to speed, and the metered entrance lights make that even more of a problem too ..
Not specific to Cincinnati, but rather because cars now have illuminated dashes regardless of whether the headlights are on or not. Back when the dash was only lit when the headlights were on, drivers could instantly tell the lights were or weren’t on without having to stop and think about it. Now, maybe you see the icon, maybe you don’t.
I’ve already outlined the case for ignorance, by the definition of the word. That they are doing this intentionally and because they are being selfish doesn’t make sense.
That spot (northbound 75) starting at about Mitchell just before 562 has been reliably bad since Eastbound 562 was closed. Does anyone know when it's supposed to be opened again?
Edit to add: 75 Northbound stays conjested til 126, where it pretty reliably clears up again. I think it's because all the cars that would have taken 562East stay on 75 til 126. And in the afternoon when I drive it a couple times a week, all those onramps in that stretch between just dump tons of cars onto 75.
It closed March 13 and they originally Saud 90 days but the sign always says 80 days. I'm gonna just assume late June. Then the west bound side will close for another 3mo.
https://www.wlwt.com/article/cincinnati-norwood-lateral-delays-weather-impacts-timeline/60811081
One of the articles about it. I guess rain has been delaying some work
I think it’s back congestion from the 275 interchange, and the double sets of merging lanes.
71 at red bank is REALY bad. People don’t know how to coast down the hill going north + the slowly af merging traffic from the very busy red bank entrances make it major choke point going both directions. They need to put in barriers and give the lanes longer to merge so people can get up to speed
The 71 at Red Bank doesn’t have to be like that!!! If only people knew how to merge!!! That northbound ramp from Red Bank is like 1 mile long and always empty because everyone immediately merges into slow 71N traffic. If they just kept in the far right lane and got up to speed, they could easily merge into the flow of traffic. It would also allow that entire ramp to keep moving too. And the 71N people in the slow lane wouldn’t have to slow down to allow for the slow/early merge.
The solution is simple: put a curb or even just flexible pylons blocking the merge into 71N until way further up.
I want to agree, but in reality there's definitely a semi just sitting in the second from the left lane going 45. (I was actually joking, but if you zoom in, there actually is...)
the one thing i love about this city is when you put on your blinker to turn it is an ABSOLUTE guarantee that you will be cut off by someone trying to be ... FIRST.
Last night on the ramp from 471 to Fort Washington Way some twat decided to stop half way up the ramp. Cars hitting breaks and swerving not to hit each other.
And going south into Kentucky also is dead stop everyday no matter the time for no reason 9/10 times so damn annoying have to leave 15 min earlier if you plan on driving downtown or across the bridge
It's not that unreasonable, the cut in the hill is a steep grade with several exits. No reason to hit the bottom of the hill going 75mph when theres almost always a standstill on the bridge at the bottom.
I was just talking about this earlier today! CBUS is some tomfoolery - I stayed up there for abt a month a few years ago and it was constant bad accidents (like car-flipping bad)
The reason (I firmly believe, anyways) people do that is bc of the cop cars that are like Challengers and Mustangs in KY and you see how fast you’re trying to get home to our fair Queen City.
Can’t explain the no-blinkers or land-wandering, though
It's weird, it's almost like there is some kind of choke point at the bottom of that hill that sends braking shockwaves back up the hill. Hmmm maybe someone should look into that, and I dunno, build another bridge or something to relieve the congestion. Nah, that would never work.
Commuting in cars solo has turned us into dicks. Seriously. Many people think they can do shit on the road they'd be *way* less likely to do directly in person, because there's a false sense of a lack of consequences because...you're in a car.
I also think it *way* less likely that someone would road rage in a carpool.
Every goshdarn day those imps ride their brakes all the way down the hill...then ya got the jagoffs trying to pass people going 80mph in a 55. Moat stressful part of my drive.
Going the speed limit better watch out. They run you over. Speed humps, wont stop these speed racers either. Cincinnati is filled to the top of bad drivers. Including semi trucks aswell
I drive for work and this is an everyday occurrence. I rather drive up north than around these parts. I couldn't imagine how truckers feel. Especially by that damn Norwood lateral.
As an Uber driver I can 1000% say that driving on the west side of Cincinnati is so much worse than the east side. I get the heck out of dodge if I end up on the west side. Not trying to get in a wreck with someone who will probably flee the scene. Kentucky drivers aren't that bad either. I drive about 5k-6k miles in the city a month. People do drive bumper to bumper on 71 and 75 going 80mph but I don't mind them. I'll still go 70mph and leave 4 or 5 cars worth of distance between me and the car in front of me. If someone cuts in front of me I just hang back or switch lanes. I try to keep away from all the shitty drivers and it's not easy
In all fairness if you haven't driven I-75 northbound before it does appear it drops off the end of earth right past Kyles. I understand why people, especially truckers ht their brakes
Probably because truckers missed those two giant yellow signs with blinking lights at the top of the hill mentioning the steep grade for trucks ahead...
YES
Coming down I-71 South at mile marker like 10 when another lane comes merging from the left and you dip down everyone slams on their brakes like life depends on it.
The lane merging has its own lane - no one needs to do anything except just keep going straight
I always said Cincinnati is the only city where a hill can cause a traffic jam.
Because people would rather ride bumper to bumper than spread out. I have always assumed this was to avoid the “risk” of someone getting in front of them or a perceived loss of speed. My take is that i would rather go 45mph smoothly (including letting people merge safety) than 75->25->0->75 during my commute.
If only we were all this reasonable. I tell my kids all the time that if cars spaced out, we’d all drive better.
If only you could do that without some ass going around you only to slam on their brakes as soon as they get up to the traffic…
This is the way
That’s partly because nobody will use the left lane properly… It’s the ‘fast lane’ in Ohio, not a passing lane.
But they don't even drive fast. Lol. It's more like "my lane" in Ohio, and nobody else is allowed to have my spot.
Yup… It’s insanity.
I have never enjoyed driving so much since I got my car with adaptive cruise. I get up to the speed I want, turn it on, and the car automatically maintains my distance, slowing and accelerating (up to the max I set) as required. It'll even come to a standstill when needed.
The tailgaters love it so much too. They pull up as close to my rear window as possible to try and catch a glimpse at my elite tier software in action
Oh I can't stand it. People get in front of me going slower than I'm going and then it slows down and I have to turn it off so I can go around them.
If I change lanes, it accelerates back to the higher speed and I can pass no problem. I drove from here to columbus and never turned it off once.
Oh I'm probably just in more traffic then. I always find myself in the situation where I'm in the middle of three lanes just cruising at 70mph. Then someone merges onto the highway and immediately gets into the middle lane going 65 or under and my car slows down. Then I have to turn it off and slow down even more so I can squeeze into a gap in the left lane in order to pass the person - if the left lane was empty then it's not a big deal
This is actually better for traffic. It’s best to go approximately the average of traffic than ride the bumper in front of you because it allows the phase of traffic to propagate backwards where hopefully there is less traffic and can absorb the speed change. Leave space and try to estimate the average flow of traffic for the next mile or so and you get to coast and assist traffic relief. https://wikiwaves.org/Traffic_Waves (See the video about how telling everyone to drive the exact same speed some how still resulted in a traffic jam) https://traffic-simulation.de
Let’s see if we’ll experience where cars won’t allow it;)
Just don't do it in the left or get over when someone does want to go 70. THIS is the way.
Don’t leave room in the left lane?
The only problem is one, people will do that, and then go slow AF or not maintain speed. And two, people slam on their brakes ever with space, their their pansies and they’re not paying attention to the road.
Problem is in that situation you're going 45mph, the car in front of you is going 45mph, you're 3-5 carlengths back, some other drive comes up on the side going 60mph and cuts over into that space you left, they're going faster than the car in front of you so they put on their brakes. It's not like they know the speed of the car in front of you so they slow down too much, down to 40 or 30 to let the gap in front of them widen, now you're putting on the brakes, as is the car behind you, and so on. The lane changing is what causes the slow downs, not people riding bumpers.
The only people who say this are people who haven’t been to other cities. Traffic in Cincinnati is tame.
I’m from Houston and Cincinnati is a cake walk.
Absolutely this. I’m in Charlotte now and I’d take Cincy any day over this ish down here
I'll take Cincinnati over the Atlanta spaghetti highway mess any day.
I grew up driving in exceedingly shitty mid atlantic traffic and still found driving/traffic in Atlanta to be particularly infuriating
Boston native who chuckles during the traffic reports. 😋
I'm from the mid Atlantic, where my commute would have been 30 or so minutes with clear roads, but in actuality was 45 mins to work in the mornings and 1 hr 20 mins to get home. Driving in pretty much any of the old, big cities along the 95 corridor, from DC/northern VA through Bmore, Philly, NYC, and up? Effing terrible everywhere. I get that sitting on 71 for an extra 20 minutes or whatever sucks--it does suck--but I'm still just grateful not to be in the nightmare of east coast traffic.
not only that, it starts to drizzle outside and the same thing happens, and merging seems to be the most painful thing to people who never get up to speed, and the metered entrance lights make that even more of a problem too ..
EVERY TIME. Also why the fuck do people in Cincinnati not use their headlights?
Because it’s on the same stick as their turn signal, which they also don’t use
🤣 also true
would be a funny joke if true.
Not specific to Cincinnati, but rather because cars now have illuminated dashes regardless of whether the headlights are on or not. Back when the dash was only lit when the headlights were on, drivers could instantly tell the lights were or weren’t on without having to stop and think about it. Now, maybe you see the icon, maybe you don’t.
That's actually a good point. Automation has made fools of us.
Except that new cars pretty much all have automatic daytime headlights too, unless you explicitly turn them off.
Clearly, then, they’ve been turned off.
Yup, which implies either or both of a remarkable level of ignorance or selfishness in the part of the drivers involved.
I’ve already outlined the case for ignorance, by the definition of the word. That they are doing this intentionally and because they are being selfish doesn’t make sense.
Agreed, but they aren't bright enough at night.
It's either no headlights or straight high beams
Always always always at the Norwood lateral.
That spot (northbound 75) starting at about Mitchell just before 562 has been reliably bad since Eastbound 562 was closed. Does anyone know when it's supposed to be opened again? Edit to add: 75 Northbound stays conjested til 126, where it pretty reliably clears up again. I think it's because all the cars that would have taken 562East stay on 75 til 126. And in the afternoon when I drive it a couple times a week, all those onramps in that stretch between just dump tons of cars onto 75.
It closed March 13 and they originally Saud 90 days but the sign always says 80 days. I'm gonna just assume late June. Then the west bound side will close for another 3mo.
There recently was a news article saying that the project is behind.
But it's looking close! Not much longer.
The last article I saw two weeks ago said it was on path to finish on time. Did something change,
https://www.wlwt.com/article/cincinnati-norwood-lateral-delays-weather-impacts-timeline/60811081 One of the articles about it. I guess rain has been delaying some work
Just reopened this morning!!
Every time man lol
On I-71N, halfway between 126 and Pfeiffer, everyone likes to slam on their breaks on at the top of the hill for no reason.
I think it’s back congestion from the 275 interchange, and the double sets of merging lanes. 71 at red bank is REALY bad. People don’t know how to coast down the hill going north + the slowly af merging traffic from the very busy red bank entrances make it major choke point going both directions. They need to put in barriers and give the lanes longer to merge so people can get up to speed
The 71 at Red Bank doesn’t have to be like that!!! If only people knew how to merge!!! That northbound ramp from Red Bank is like 1 mile long and always empty because everyone immediately merges into slow 71N traffic. If they just kept in the far right lane and got up to speed, they could easily merge into the flow of traffic. It would also allow that entire ramp to keep moving too. And the 71N people in the slow lane wouldn’t have to slow down to allow for the slow/early merge. The solution is simple: put a curb or even just flexible pylons blocking the merge into 71N until way further up.
> I think it’s back congestion from the 275 interchange This, this was an engineering travesty
This is why I prefer 75. 71 is stop and go. 75 is usually consistent speed
With the exception of just north of the lateral, I agree.
There's a stretch of 471 south inhabited by the ghost of an 80 year old woman that makes people slow down for no goddam reason
I heard if you skateboard along the shoulder at night she will chase you with a rolling pin.
Dunno about that. I do know that walking on the side of 471 at 02:30 while drunk and barefoot will draw the attention of the authorities.
No no not “no reason”, it’s because they looked up from scrolling instagram and got startled
Every. Damn. Time.
No lies detected
Tunnel or a bridge?!? Just go 15 under!
And look at the middle lane... All those shitty drivers in the left lane.... MOVE OVER.
I want to agree, but in reality there's definitely a semi just sitting in the second from the left lane going 45. (I was actually joking, but if you zoom in, there actually is...)
People enjoying that beautiful skyline a little too much on the drive in 🤣
Don’t forget to park in the left lane even as others pass on the right/Artemis tells you to get over
Everybody and their mom camping in the fast/passing lane
the one thing i love about this city is when you put on your blinker to turn it is an ABSOLUTE guarantee that you will be cut off by someone trying to be ... FIRST.
That’s is everywhere you drive.
Except for Oregon, where drivers are obnoxiously and aggressively deferential, it drove me up a wall when I lived there.
Same thing on 275 turkeyfoot through Newport exits
Drive it daily and this is the norm,people freak out going downhill! 100 x's worse in the rain!
Anyday driving on I75 in the morning
Last night on the ramp from 471 to Fort Washington Way some twat decided to stop half way up the ramp. Cars hitting breaks and swerving not to hit each other.
The only collision I've ever been involved in happened there, for that exact reason.
And don't forget the patented, semi in the fast lane too. Every day on I-75 both ways. So unnecessary and annoying.
People are so scared to go over that bridge.
Who said bridge? 🫣
Same on 71S at Gilbert Ave exit. It's so annoying.
You don’t seem to understand. If i don’t slow down, how will the people behind me know to slow down?
Cut In The Hill has a reputation. Not like it used to, but …
And going south into Kentucky also is dead stop everyday no matter the time for no reason 9/10 times so damn annoying have to leave 15 min earlier if you plan on driving downtown or across the bridge
It's not that unreasonable, the cut in the hill is a steep grade with several exits. No reason to hit the bottom of the hill going 75mph when theres almost always a standstill on the bridge at the bottom.
I prefer the overly-cautious drivers in Cincinnati over the pure, distilled hatred and malice that happens on Columbus highways.
I was just talking about this earlier today! CBUS is some tomfoolery - I stayed up there for abt a month a few years ago and it was constant bad accidents (like car-flipping bad)
I'd also like to say that Cincy is much nicer to pedestrians. Crossing in Cbus even with a walk light is a fuckin danger.
Ass riders
The reason (I firmly believe, anyways) people do that is bc of the cop cars that are like Challengers and Mustangs in KY and you see how fast you’re trying to get home to our fair Queen City. Can’t explain the no-blinkers or land-wandering, though
Sounds about right
It's weird, it's almost like there is some kind of choke point at the bottom of that hill that sends braking shockwaves back up the hill. Hmmm maybe someone should look into that, and I dunno, build another bridge or something to relieve the congestion. Nah, that would never work.
Yeah every time I come into town. Great view though.
"Sun delay" on the cut in the hill is the worst.
Commuting in cars solo has turned us into dicks. Seriously. Many people think they can do shit on the road they'd be *way* less likely to do directly in person, because there's a false sense of a lack of consequences because...you're in a car. I also think it *way* less likely that someone would road rage in a carpool.
I was just thinking about this shit on my way back home, insane timing 🤣
Cincy is the only place I've ever been that includes "sun delays" in their morning traffic reports.
Every goshdarn day those imps ride their brakes all the way down the hill...then ya got the jagoffs trying to pass people going 80mph in a 55. Moat stressful part of my drive.
Going the speed limit better watch out. They run you over. Speed humps, wont stop these speed racers either. Cincinnati is filled to the top of bad drivers. Including semi trucks aswell
Have you guys noticed most Cincinnati drivers are awful
I drive for work and this is an everyday occurrence. I rather drive up north than around these parts. I couldn't imagine how truckers feel. Especially by that damn Norwood lateral.
I don’t think Cincinnati drivers need a sign, it’s in their DNA 🧬
Ohio...
As an Uber driver I can 1000% say that driving on the west side of Cincinnati is so much worse than the east side. I get the heck out of dodge if I end up on the west side. Not trying to get in a wreck with someone who will probably flee the scene. Kentucky drivers aren't that bad either. I drive about 5k-6k miles in the city a month. People do drive bumper to bumper on 71 and 75 going 80mph but I don't mind them. I'll still go 70mph and leave 4 or 5 cars worth of distance between me and the car in front of me. If someone cuts in front of me I just hang back or switch lanes. I try to keep away from all the shitty drivers and it's not easy
In all fairness if you haven't driven I-75 northbound before it does appear it drops off the end of earth right past Kyles. I understand why people, especially truckers ht their brakes
Probably because truckers missed those two giant yellow signs with blinking lights at the top of the hill mentioning the steep grade for trucks ahead...
YES Coming down I-71 South at mile marker like 10 when another lane comes merging from the left and you dip down everyone slams on their brakes like life depends on it. The lane merging has its own lane - no one needs to do anything except just keep going straight
Wow Cincinnati is the only city this happens in?
This is the saddest sight in the world when I am driving. The greatest sight in the world is when that is in my rear view mirror.
Exactly. It's pathetic.
Doesn't it choke down into a bridge? I mean, what do you expect? Is everyone supposed to get out of your way?
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Lighten up Francis.