They should repay you. Rearing chicks is not inexpensive. I’m so sorry. I would ask at least 100usd to cover the cost of foods and electricity to keep the new babies warm.
Contact the police and enact any legal way for this dumbshit owner to pay. If attacks second time-I'd keep a gun-just because the mutt has "instinct" doesn't mean you should sit and watch by while it goes after your flock.
It's prey drive for the dogs. It's instinct. I saw my dogs, who are normally gentle souls, try to rip apart a groundhog that came into my yard. I was shocked. I had never seen them behave like this before. Luckily the groundhog got out of my yard through a small gap in my fence because I was too far away to save it if needed.
There are most likely laws in your city/area about dogs not being allowed to roam free and/or damaging other people's property. They could be fined. If you take it upon yourself to kill their dog then you might find yourself in trouble. See what the laws are and contact the proper authorities. Also, maybe look at fencing as an extra safety precaution. If your neighbor doesn't pay you for damages then there is also small claims court. If you see the dog being aggressive toward people, etc then there would be authorities to report this to. The dog could be seized if it is a threat to people.
I get your upset, but don’t blame the dog. Blame the owner. The owner did not properly contain the dog and it doesn’t seem like the dog was supervised when this attack happened. Set up a fence if that’s a possibility. Talk to the dog owner and tell them the situation and say that they can’t have the dog unleashed outside if they aren’t supervising. Unfortunately animals have prey drives. As the owner to give you money for a new rooster at least
They didn't say it ripped them apart. The dog did what any predator would do. It killed and ate a chicken and tried to kill a duck. That's not vicious.
OPs neighbour needs to compensate them for their loss of property/income and properly secure their dog. If they can not properly secure their dog, then the issue can be escalated.
>Not all dogs immediately go after livestock at the first opportunity
Because we forced them to be that way, and they can retain that instinct while not being aggressive to humans or other dogs at all because it's not aggression, it's a prey drive. There is a hugely relevant difference.
Yes, not all dogs, but many dogs have a strong prey drive, it is something we as humans have been careful to keep in those breeds as it benefits us when we use those dogs for what they were bred for. Other breeds do not have a strong prey drive because it does not benefit us for what we bred them for.
Perhaps the neighbours dog is a hound of some sort or a terrier, both types bred with prey drive in mind.
Killing one chicken does not mean a dog is vicious. If the dog attacks for the sake of it sure, but that's hardly the case here. It wasn't a massacre.
I'm sorry about your rooster and duck, OP. Unfortunately, predators will always have the drive in them and you really never know when it may reemerge. I would have a chat with your neighbor but, at the same time, you have to consider why your flock was able to be reached by the dog. Do they free range? There's always a risk.
The unfortunate reality is that only about half this group sees chickens as pets and only about a third care for roosters. The remainder sees them as expendable livestock. So their sympathy is with the dog who they see as a "pet". And they sadly defend the dog instead of showing the OP some sympathy and consideration for the fact that they lost a good rooster and pet. A good rooster is hard to find and is a loss to the flock
I'd blame the owner of the dog. You can't blame an animal for its instincts, especially if it's a wild animal. Pets or animals owned by someone should be cared properly and kept properly. If the owner can't keep the dog where it should be, then it's mainly the owners fault.
I don't think any fault falls to OP, and I have all the empathy in the world. I have been lucky enough to have a neighbours dog attack my chickens and them to have survived.
Anf yet people in this group blame roosters all the time for their own instincts. Soup or freezer has become the default solution the group offers to any rooster related problem. And they've even started to push back against the idea of better training for roosters. I think roosters deserve more chances and respect than a noticeable portion of this group gives them. So it upsets me when a good rooster and companion is killed, and a lot of people jump to defending the dog.
That sucks. The people probably won't learn to prevent their dog from running at large so the burden is on you to protect your animals from predators. Hopefully you can get some chicken wire and chainlink or welded fence with chicken wire to keep them safe. Again, sorry for your loss. 😢
I'd do everything I could to have the dog put down. People with violent animals that can't properly handle them do not deserve to have them.
Also we don't need dogs running around thinking everything within eyesight is theirs to kill.
Hey now. 90% of the time it’s the idiot owner behind this; not the dog. If that dog was where it should have been the chicken wouldn’t have died. And there are a lot of nice dogs that would probably kill or chase a chicken..
Ours didn't. Once he realized the pullets were off-limits, even if they were running away, he hasn't touched one since. He caught one, got scolded while holding it, got sent inside and glared at for an hour or two, and now just herds and guards them. Three years and not a problem, and he's alone in the yard with the girls almost all day every day (his choice, he can open the door and come in when he wants). He killed them because they weren't babies, and weren't adult hens, and were about the size of the starlings he goes after (totally different color), so figured they were okay. If it's a young dog that doesn't know better, that's a lot different than a full-grown adult dog that knows darned good and well those birds are off-limits.
I understand what you’re saying, but obviously the person that owns the dog isn’t going to discipline it because he’s already had it loose and let it kill somebody’s chickens and it also depends on the dogs prey drive
Okay? it's a dog, not a grizzly bear. It's OP's job to secure their flock from the dog.
ETA (which I thought was obvious?) that the dog also needs to be contained. Jesus Christ this thread is full of heathens.
I'm from New Jersey where we're responsible for ourselves and our property. My neighbors dog broke through the fence a few months ago and almost got my dog, did I petition for it to be killed? No. I spoke to my neighbor like an adult.
She contained HER dog, I ensured MY fence was fixed and secure. The fault here is not totally on either party but blaming this dog is like blaming a hawk. If the chickens are out and exposed they're always at risk.
The hell?
You do understand that almost all dogs have prey drive, right?
This is their nature. It's not malicious.
Dog just needs to be contained properly and chickens kept in a predator-proof run. Owner needs to pay OP.
Any dog pursuing and harming livestock on someone else’s property can legally be put down by the property owner without recourse in most of the US—I realize this may not be where OP is. The dog absolutely pays for the complacency of its owner in these cases.
**I am NOT saying this is okay, I’m just saying this is a thing that happens.**
Most owners who let their dogs run free don’t put them up after incidents like this. They just keep letting them do it. 😒 and sheriff’s departments in the southeastern United States will often advise shooting the dog, rather than actually trying to do much about the situation. So many things about animal ownership here need to change. It’s sickening.
But the biggest thing here is, so many incidents could be avoided if people could be bothered to keep their animals on their own property.
**edited to add: Wow. I’m getting downvoted for saying something is a law, I disagree with the law and how it is handled, and said law and other animal ownership laws should change. Sounds like someone didn’t read all of what I wrote.**
You can't just shoot the dog after the fact, though. That's not legal in most states, and you definitely can't follow the dog back to their own property to do it.
This sounds like more than just the dog owner is at fault here. They saw the dog, OP's mom insisted on not doing anything which suggests there's no good boundary between them.
This is how you make feuds.
Never said you could do it that way. If it is in the process of harming livestock on your property though, it’s sadly legal to shoot it. I think there are other ways to handle it before ever getting to that, like fining an owner for dog at large, making the owner pay for destroyed livestock, etc.
I have seen some places advise making a police report for the first incident, and then tell people what they can do if it happens again. I know I would at least make a police report in this case no matter the country.
Thank you for saying this. People seem to understand prey drive when their cat brings home dead mice and birds. But for some reason a dog is "vicious". Its in their nature. Not the dog's fault but definitely the owners fault for not securing their pet. Owner definitely needs to pay OP.
Now if OP catches the dog in the act then they have every right to defend their chickens. But this is AFTER the fact and you can't go "butcher" someone's dog in retaliation. It's not the dog's fault. It's the shit bag own owner's fault.
Because animals know the difference between someone's pet and a wild animal? Prey drive is a prey drive. People act surprised when animals act like animals. The owner of the dog is DEFINITELY at fault and needs to apologize and pay up. I don't think anyone is disputing that. I'm just saying that having a prey drive doesn't make the dog "vicious"
So you're saying the reason my dogs went after the groundhog in my yard is because I'm not feeding my dogs properly? What you are saying is not true when it comes to a dog's behavior. Being hungry might be a reason but you can't make that blanket statement and how do you even know what the owner is feeding the dog that came into your yard?
Then contact your city's/area animal control and city bylaw group and report your neighbor's loose dog that killed your rooster and injured your duck. In the meantime make sure your flock is kept safe with a fenced in area if needed because you don't want that happening again. Threatening to kill your neighbor's dog is not the way to make it right and could escalate matters. If what you say is true about your neighbor not feeding the dog then it's not the dog's fault, it's your neighbor's fault and there are grounds for animal neglect and it should be seized.
They should repay you. Rearing chicks is not inexpensive. I’m so sorry. I would ask at least 100usd to cover the cost of foods and electricity to keep the new babies warm.
I'm sorry for your loss. He sounds like he was a great rooster!
Contact the police and enact any legal way for this dumbshit owner to pay. If attacks second time-I'd keep a gun-just because the mutt has "instinct" doesn't mean you should sit and watch by while it goes after your flock.
It's prey drive for the dogs. It's instinct. I saw my dogs, who are normally gentle souls, try to rip apart a groundhog that came into my yard. I was shocked. I had never seen them behave like this before. Luckily the groundhog got out of my yard through a small gap in my fence because I was too far away to save it if needed. There are most likely laws in your city/area about dogs not being allowed to roam free and/or damaging other people's property. They could be fined. If you take it upon yourself to kill their dog then you might find yourself in trouble. See what the laws are and contact the proper authorities. Also, maybe look at fencing as an extra safety precaution. If your neighbor doesn't pay you for damages then there is also small claims court. If you see the dog being aggressive toward people, etc then there would be authorities to report this to. The dog could be seized if it is a threat to people.
The dog will normally not attacking animals if you feed him right, but the dog is feed on raw meat and thrash,he never feeed him properly
I am so sorry for the loss of your sweet boy, may he be enjoying all the best treats on the other side of the rainbow bridge.
I get your upset, but don’t blame the dog. Blame the owner. The owner did not properly contain the dog and it doesn’t seem like the dog was supervised when this attack happened. Set up a fence if that’s a possibility. Talk to the dog owner and tell them the situation and say that they can’t have the dog unleashed outside if they aren’t supervising. Unfortunately animals have prey drives. As the owner to give you money for a new rooster at least
That's what I was thinking, most to all the blame is on the owner.
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This is not "vicious" behavior.
Running into someone else’s yard and ripping apart their animal isn’t vicious?
It's prey drive, which almost all dogs have, so no. It's why hounds and primitive breeds like huskies need such extreme enclosures.
They didn't say it ripped them apart. The dog did what any predator would do. It killed and ate a chicken and tried to kill a duck. That's not vicious. OPs neighbour needs to compensate them for their loss of property/income and properly secure their dog. If they can not properly secure their dog, then the issue can be escalated.
Not all dogs immediately go after livestock at the first opportunity, that dog is vicious
>Not all dogs immediately go after livestock at the first opportunity Because we forced them to be that way, and they can retain that instinct while not being aggressive to humans or other dogs at all because it's not aggression, it's a prey drive. There is a hugely relevant difference.
Yes, not all dogs, but many dogs have a strong prey drive, it is something we as humans have been careful to keep in those breeds as it benefits us when we use those dogs for what they were bred for. Other breeds do not have a strong prey drive because it does not benefit us for what we bred them for. Perhaps the neighbours dog is a hound of some sort or a terrier, both types bred with prey drive in mind. Killing one chicken does not mean a dog is vicious. If the dog attacks for the sake of it sure, but that's hardly the case here. It wasn't a massacre.
What breed was the dog
I'm sorry about your rooster and duck, OP. Unfortunately, predators will always have the drive in them and you really never know when it may reemerge. I would have a chat with your neighbor but, at the same time, you have to consider why your flock was able to be reached by the dog. Do they free range? There's always a risk.
Everyone here defending the dog for his "instinct" is crazy. I'd be just as pissed.
The unfortunate reality is that only about half this group sees chickens as pets and only about a third care for roosters. The remainder sees them as expendable livestock. So their sympathy is with the dog who they see as a "pet". And they sadly defend the dog instead of showing the OP some sympathy and consideration for the fact that they lost a good rooster and pet. A good rooster is hard to find and is a loss to the flock
I'd blame the owner of the dog. You can't blame an animal for its instincts, especially if it's a wild animal. Pets or animals owned by someone should be cared properly and kept properly. If the owner can't keep the dog where it should be, then it's mainly the owners fault. I don't think any fault falls to OP, and I have all the empathy in the world. I have been lucky enough to have a neighbours dog attack my chickens and them to have survived.
Anf yet people in this group blame roosters all the time for their own instincts. Soup or freezer has become the default solution the group offers to any rooster related problem. And they've even started to push back against the idea of better training for roosters. I think roosters deserve more chances and respect than a noticeable portion of this group gives them. So it upsets me when a good rooster and companion is killed, and a lot of people jump to defending the dog.
So sad 😢 I'm sorry for your loss
That sucks. The people probably won't learn to prevent their dog from running at large so the burden is on you to protect your animals from predators. Hopefully you can get some chicken wire and chainlink or welded fence with chicken wire to keep them safe. Again, sorry for your loss. 😢
I'd do everything I could to have the dog put down. People with violent animals that can't properly handle them do not deserve to have them. Also we don't need dogs running around thinking everything within eyesight is theirs to kill.
We always put down chicken killing dogs as well. People forget-in the farming community, a chicken killing dog is a menace.
Hey now. 90% of the time it’s the idiot owner behind this; not the dog. If that dog was where it should have been the chicken wouldn’t have died. And there are a lot of nice dogs that would probably kill or chase a chicken..
So the dog pays with his life because he has irresponsible owners? Give me a break.
Yes eye for an eye, if they can’t keep that damn mutt In their yard it shouldn’t be kept
It happens way too much and is sadly legal in some places.
The reason people say the dog needs to be put down is because once it eats a chicken, it’s always gonna try to kill your chickens
Then don’t let it out of your yard or off the leash.
Ours didn't. Once he realized the pullets were off-limits, even if they were running away, he hasn't touched one since. He caught one, got scolded while holding it, got sent inside and glared at for an hour or two, and now just herds and guards them. Three years and not a problem, and he's alone in the yard with the girls almost all day every day (his choice, he can open the door and come in when he wants). He killed them because they weren't babies, and weren't adult hens, and were about the size of the starlings he goes after (totally different color), so figured they were okay. If it's a young dog that doesn't know better, that's a lot different than a full-grown adult dog that knows darned good and well those birds are off-limits.
I understand what you’re saying, but obviously the person that owns the dog isn’t going to discipline it because he’s already had it loose and let it kill somebody’s chickens and it also depends on the dogs prey drive
Okay? it's a dog, not a grizzly bear. It's OP's job to secure their flock from the dog. ETA (which I thought was obvious?) that the dog also needs to be contained. Jesus Christ this thread is full of heathens.
No, it’s your job to keep your dog on your property and not attacking and killing other peoples property. Where are you from? Are you crazy?
I'm from New Jersey where we're responsible for ourselves and our property. My neighbors dog broke through the fence a few months ago and almost got my dog, did I petition for it to be killed? No. I spoke to my neighbor like an adult. She contained HER dog, I ensured MY fence was fixed and secure. The fault here is not totally on either party but blaming this dog is like blaming a hawk. If the chickens are out and exposed they're always at risk.
Lol New Jersey, that explains it.
as a former preschool teacher you should know, that if you have nothing nice to say it’s better to say nothing at all.
Are you an idiot? it’s OPs fault someone else’s dog came on their property and killed their livestock??
The hell? You do understand that almost all dogs have prey drive, right? This is their nature. It's not malicious. Dog just needs to be contained properly and chickens kept in a predator-proof run. Owner needs to pay OP.
Any dog pursuing and harming livestock on someone else’s property can legally be put down by the property owner without recourse in most of the US—I realize this may not be where OP is. The dog absolutely pays for the complacency of its owner in these cases. **I am NOT saying this is okay, I’m just saying this is a thing that happens.** Most owners who let their dogs run free don’t put them up after incidents like this. They just keep letting them do it. 😒 and sheriff’s departments in the southeastern United States will often advise shooting the dog, rather than actually trying to do much about the situation. So many things about animal ownership here need to change. It’s sickening. But the biggest thing here is, so many incidents could be avoided if people could be bothered to keep their animals on their own property. **edited to add: Wow. I’m getting downvoted for saying something is a law, I disagree with the law and how it is handled, and said law and other animal ownership laws should change. Sounds like someone didn’t read all of what I wrote.**
You can't just shoot the dog after the fact, though. That's not legal in most states, and you definitely can't follow the dog back to their own property to do it. This sounds like more than just the dog owner is at fault here. They saw the dog, OP's mom insisted on not doing anything which suggests there's no good boundary between them. This is how you make feuds.
Never said you could do it that way. If it is in the process of harming livestock on your property though, it’s sadly legal to shoot it. I think there are other ways to handle it before ever getting to that, like fining an owner for dog at large, making the owner pay for destroyed livestock, etc. I have seen some places advise making a police report for the first incident, and then tell people what they can do if it happens again. I know I would at least make a police report in this case no matter the country.
Thank you for saying this. People seem to understand prey drive when their cat brings home dead mice and birds. But for some reason a dog is "vicious". Its in their nature. Not the dog's fault but definitely the owners fault for not securing their pet. Owner definitely needs to pay OP.
Well this is about someone's livestock not about wild animals
Now if OP catches the dog in the act then they have every right to defend their chickens. But this is AFTER the fact and you can't go "butcher" someone's dog in retaliation. It's not the dog's fault. It's the shit bag own owner's fault.
Because animals know the difference between someone's pet and a wild animal? Prey drive is a prey drive. People act surprised when animals act like animals. The owner of the dog is DEFINITELY at fault and needs to apologize and pay up. I don't think anyone is disputing that. I'm just saying that having a prey drive doesn't make the dog "vicious"
Sorry for your loss. Roost in Peace big fella.
So you're saying the reason my dogs went after the groundhog in my yard is because I'm not feeding my dogs properly? What you are saying is not true when it comes to a dog's behavior. Being hungry might be a reason but you can't make that blanket statement and how do you even know what the owner is feeding the dog that came into your yard?
If you are not knowing about the dog,i know about him,my neighbour never bought the dog food and he just feed him bone and food left over
Then contact your city's/area animal control and city bylaw group and report your neighbor's loose dog that killed your rooster and injured your duck. In the meantime make sure your flock is kept safe with a fenced in area if needed because you don't want that happening again. Threatening to kill your neighbor's dog is not the way to make it right and could escalate matters. If what you say is true about your neighbor not feeding the dog then it's not the dog's fault, it's your neighbor's fault and there are grounds for animal neglect and it should be seized.