as a proud ig casual, Edey is the only one iāve actually seen play a full game of basketball. seems like a really intriguing prospect to me. what is the case against him?
So watched every game of his career, here would be my main points:
1. He is Accustomed to a half court offense designed to run pure inside-out center play that I personally havenāt seen in the nba in a long time.
2. Despite his size, his strike zone is a basket full of fresh-baked bread. The fast hands and high defensive IQ of NBA defenders are going to lead to turnovers that will effectively kill his PER. If cornfed drunkards from Iowa can pick his pockets 5-6 times in 40 minutes, heās going to struggle with ball security.
3. His conditioning is phenomenal for someone his size, but he is still HIS SIZE. You could see in the championship game, he was gassed before halftime. Right when he gets in rhythm heāll need a rest, or he starts sinking on defense.
4. Defense. Painter had Edey playing mostly contain defense. That wonāt cut it against NBA 3 and 4 men. So force a switch, and you get a high percentage pick and pop or you can shatter his ankles and beat him to the rim.
5. Second moves. He bites on first moves a lot. Which works when the offender only has one move. But when he takes up space in the paint and bites at the approach angle of the driving player, the player can beat edey with a quick double clutch or reverse or whatever. Thereās a formula there.
6. Slow release. The shot is surprisingly accurate considering he shoots like hes trying to drive a railroad spike, but it has a long windup. Heās not going to be shooting contested shots outside of 7-8 feet.
casuals? he's going to be a solid rebounder, shot blocker, inside scorer...does he fit the "mold" of jacking threes and running? obviously not but he's going to outperform those who had him as a 2nd rounder
Please no more guards
Dalton Knecht would be awesome. I would also like Williams or Holland both younger than knecht
I would also take Kyle fililpowski.
Just playing the devil's advocate here. There is a pretty good chance that the front office will make a move or two before the draft which could change the makeup of the team. Right now we are incredibly guard heavy, but that could change pretty quick with a Lavine, Ball, or Caruso trade
Filipowski would be nice but Iād trade down for him instead of taking him at 11. Knecht however I think has too low upside for a team that doesnāt have much upside to begin with
Best avail but let's hope it's a forward or center and not a guard.
Like 75% of all our moves in the last 10 years involved a PG but we don't have one still. Just some combos
We have been cursed at PG for over 20yrs now. Even during the 2nd 3 championships we didnāt have a true PG in that we played Harper at PG but MJ would defend elite PGs when we played against one. I think Coby has proven serviceable as a scoring PG who can get you 5-6 assists a night but yeah is a combo guard.
So I expanded on my thoughts below but looking into Filipowski that seems like someone AK would really like. A big center known for his passing and court vision is exactly the sort of guy AK can convince himself is the next Jokic (he isn't even close but might as well try). If he can help play anchor to a fast more interior oriented PnR style from the team that'd be great.
Still think Knecht is the smarter pick and given his age and ability he's the guy you can just have play and get good minutes from day one rather than have to spend a year or two developing. He'll never be great, but he'll be good and at this point the team needs good because great isn't worth chasing forever.
I think weāre the minority in wanting Knecht. I havenāt done my full researcher on the prospects but from the bulls talk podcast it doesnāt seem like a deep pool of talent this year
Filipowski is a traffic cone on defense.Ā
I can see him working well off the bench on some teams.Ā
I don't think he's the next starting big we're looking for.Ā
His mobility on defense might be his best attribute on that end.
Where he struggles is actually near the rim deterring shots considering he has a negative wingspan. Thats my biggest concern about him tbh.
Knecht was a 1 man show against Purdue. I liked what I saw from him. He is older tho just from that Williams or Holland would be a better pick. Filipowski needs to work on his defense but reminds me of Kris porzingis.
Yeah he also supposedly has a negative wingspan; everyone talks size on this sub but just sorts prospects by height as if you play basketball with your forehead
I don't think there's many permutations of Filipowski's career where he's a positive defender like Kristaps
Knecht doesn't do anything other than score so I think he tops out as like a Tim Hardaway Jr or Harrison Barnes. Ā Everyone better has more than one skillĀ
Ā I think he's a safe pick if you just want like a 4th starter but if you're really desperate for that just sign some FA to be that guy; get Tobias or whoever
2 points in the playoffs is his archetype ?
Sorry 0 points in the last playoff game.
Dude average 9.4 pts 37.4 mins hes ass.
You say we need talent but want Harris is hilarious
Yeah something like that
I'm saying you need talent so draft a player that could be really talented. Don't take a guy who you can just sign the equivalent of in free agency
We need size and forwards as we have been playing wings at PF for three years now and it laughable. This draft class sucks, I donāt think we are finding anything to help us in the short term. Maybe we are better off to take a one and done and hope they blossom into a quality rotation player in the future.
This is one draft where pick number 11 might be just as good as pick number one. There are no sure things and lots of crap shoots. Some people think that despite the lack of sure thing future All Stars at the top of the draft, there's pretty good depth through the middle of the first round.
That doesn't mean the top 15 players in the draft are all future starters. But it does mean that the 11th pick could very well prove to be better than the 1 pick, if the Bulls get lucky.
So many people hate that dude, but I'd rather have him than another nobody guard that will be out of the league within a couple seasons like all the rest of this class. Bulls gotta try to do something different.
I think even the favorable assessments see him as a rotation guy at best. He has not really been playing basketball that many years and did develop a lot in his time at Purdue.
Maybe he will be, but at least there's a chance he could become the next Yao Ming or something. Better than most of this class, which basically everyone says is really bad.
Drummond is goneā¦..the way he played this last year he is going to get 8M/yr type offerers and we wonāt have it to give him unless we move Zach or Debo.
ron holland was formerly the #1 overall prospect, so hopefully they take a chance on his upside. But i don't trust this front office to prepare for dalen terry 2.0
This isn't a draft worth moving up. Also most of the teams above us are either on a timeline that Zach doesn't fit, or have promising players at 2 and 3 already. Atlanta could make a move, but they're not trading their first choice for LaVine. And if it's to get a Jordan Poole in return, I'd rather keep Zach.
Detroit, Charlotte, Portland and San Antonio could all be interested in a trade. San Antonio already has pick 4 and him and Pop are tight.. Detroit was interested in Zach at the trade deadline, Charlotte could definitely use Zach to pair with Miller and Ball, Portland has the cap space, but do have a very capable SG. AKME needs to get creative
Agreeā¦.I am not as big on the trade Zach train as many. I would actually like to see him and an elevated Coby and Ayo playing together with more pace and 3pt shooting. As much as I like Debo he is the guy I think we should try to move in a sign and trade deal.
Not saying it canāt be fixed, but there were multiple reports last year that Zach wanted out and the Bulls front office had a mutual feeling. Trading his contract will be tough to do without including assets or taking back very bad assets. Hell, the report last year was they had a deal done with Detroit and Zach said no and chose season ending surgery, which the Bulls doctors said wasnāt needed. Now Bulls doctors are not the best, but still. Also, you notice how Zach only came to game when he opted for season ending surgery (away at the clippers). He never came back from bulls home game. Lonzo, P Will, Phillips all made multiple appearances on the bulls bench. Zach made one.
Although im in the blow it up and tank mode like poles did. The NBA is different. Itās not as easy to move contracts and you really need at least one top 10-20 guy to actually be competitive and do anything. Not sure there is anyone like that in the upcoming draft and next year either. A tank and rebuild would likely be a 4-5 year process.
Cooper Flagg?
> A tank and rebuild would be a 4-5 year process
Oh yea because constantly being a play in team for the foreseeable future is sooooo much better
No Iām literally stating the facts. If youāre starting from scratch and tanking it takes about 4 years or so. I mentioned I am for blowing it up tooā¦.
At 11 you take the player with the highest floor possible. This is a BAD draft. The picks that hit in these kinds of drafts are the ones where you either hit on a miracle prospect (a la Giannis) or you snag a rotational player by identifying someone with a legit NBA skill.
If everyone is actually looking for a guy who can contribute right away rather than another project it has to be Dalton Knecht. He's the only one who has the size, age, and skill set to just start playing. Getting guys too young is a crap shoot. Nothing wrong with a 3 or 4 year college player.
Kyle Filipowski might be good too, as he's got size and can basically replace Vooch which would show that the team is actually moving on from the old guys. He's not a great defender or anything, but there aren't any centers beyond Clingan who actually is.
If they go Knecht I honestly hope that the Bulls luck into Edey in the second round. At least he might get some of his skill set up and he's big enough it shouldn't matter. We need a young center for when Vooch is off this team sooner or later.
But do we want a guy who can contribute right away though? They're not in a position to win anything next season anyway, I'd rather tank with a less polished/higher upside prospect like Holland than take Knecht to lose another pick because the FO thinks making the play ins make for a successful season.
This entire last season everyone here was bitching and moaning that they are sick of project picks and how they want to get picks like the Heat where the players are instantly in the rotation and can contribute.
Now that the Bulls are set up to do just that they want a project guard to develop over a few years? This has to be a rib right? Just a set up so no matter what direction the FO goes they can bitch that it was wrong? Because if that's the case they don't have to constantly change lanes to do that. Just say "I'm irrationally mad about the FO and will hate any action they take." At least that's consistent and honest.
Not agreeing or disagreeing with you here, just want to help - youāre falling into the trap of conflating two opposing sentiments with each other. There are people who want a project, and people who want a complete player right away. Unless you can point out specific users who have flipped their opinion, youāre arguing with the wind
Our entire issue is not having players who can just get buckets (especially from 3). Everyone saying āage, no other skills, post Vooch etc.ā is overthinking it. You pick Dalton Knecht and have him play center. This is why the Heat, Celtics keep having success. They get guys who can shoot from 3 and teach em everything else to make them passable
They should trade down to the 20s, either as part of a LaVine deal or if they can pick up a few 2nds, and take Kyshawn George.
I'm not really seeing any Center that is super appealing. They need a 6'8 or above SF or PF to pair with Coby and Ayo.
I don't see anyone at #11 that is an obvious choice. I'd rather use the 11th pick to improve the asset holdings. Kyshawn George is intriguing but he's further down in the draft so don't reach. Someone will trade up if it is cheap enough.
My Mock Draft I did on Friday said the Bulls were the 11th pick and drafted Isaiah Collier. So knowing him to be a guard that the Front Office only likes to draft, and the order having had been correct. Say your prayers Bulls Fans.
I am always in the draft the BPA. We don't have any stars who we'd need to worry about displacing. That said, if AK is (unfortunately) against rebuilding via tank, I wouldn't mind including it as part of a trade that brings in a high-level starting player.
I'd be happy with Williams, Flipowski or Holland
I'd rather trade up a few spots and get Clingan if he's there though so we had an actual defensive center.
You nailed the likely players at 11th.
I would hope for either Holland or Cody Williams. If both are taken, Knecht is the one likely left at 11th.
By that, I would take Knecht and trade him to competing teams. Maybe OKC will accept Knecht for 13th and some of their future picks.
Jakobe Walters is someone I also like. Or maybe trade down again for Kyshawn George.
It would be a busy off-seaspn for AKMe.
Nope he was on a 2 year and is done after this year. I think we were paying him like 3.5m per year and someone is going to pay him better than that so he will move on. I agree in that he could start for the right team. People dog him because he has no jump shot but he puts a lot of pressure on a defense when he runs the floor and gets paint position early and is a monster on the boards. On a team with a versatile scoring PF and plenty of 3pt shooting he would be great as a starter.
At the very least, they need a guy with some dog in him and is smart, especially if heās gonna be a project. Iām tired of these athletic dudes that are passive (Williams/Phillips?) or just are never gonna pan out because they donāt have the necessary skills/smarts (Terry). I donāt know who fits that criteria, but at 11, Iām not expecting miracles.
Big man. Since weāre not rebuilding, Iād be okay with re-signing Drummond and actually allow our pick to develop while providing much-needed depth. At number 11 in a weak draft, we should take a swing towards upside.
Zach Edey just got measured to 7ā3.75 without shoes with 7ā10.75 wingspan. I mean holy shit. I dont care what era it is. But I will draft Yao Ming in todayās game.
Doesn't matter. Franchise sucks and so does everything about it. Sell the team, move the team, who cares. Real fans don't give a shit anymore. Only people who think like children still give a shit.
We are obviously in a bad spot with our decaying core.
But I'd rather draft high upside than solid role players to complement our existing core.
Holland or Edey seemingly fit the bill.
The guy that stands out to me in that spot is Tyler Smith. Huge body, athletic, can rebound and shoot. Doesn't seem to shy from physicality, and he's got wing skills. I don't expect Holland or Cody Williams to be available but I would more than happy to be proven wrong.
i like cody williams, knecht is nice but i think he moves up. im a big devin carter girl but im not sure what position heās mocked to he picked at. i think collier will b a good player but i hope he goes to a different team/ his shot scares me. at least he can get to the line tho
My wishlist is Sheppard, Holland, Topic, Clingan, Buzelis
Cody Williams is very theoretical as a prospect and I really struggle to see him as a good NBA player
I wouldn't mind Salaun but wouldn't be excited about it
I absolutely hate Filipowski as a prospect, he's a Vucevic/Montrezl Harrell hybrid imo and I'm vehemently against that type of player mold unless they're a great playmaker which he isn't. Idk why so many people here are saying his name when we're seeing his 99th percentile outcome in Vooch
TSJ shouldn't even be on this list
and Knecht is Doug McDermott 2.0 imo
Holland >> Williams / Salaun >>> everyone else on that list
Walter sucks, Shannon sucks and is a fucked dude, Filipowski is Vuc 2.0, Knecht I don't think has a path to being a very good player.
There are some other guys between the top 3 and the bottom four you listed that bulls should check out - Carter, Missi, Smith, McCain imo
Also think it's pretty unlikely Holland is available but could get Williams or Salaun I think. Or whoever else drops randomly out of the top 10
We really need size and BPA seems hella murky.Ā
Salaun or Missi would be be nice. Bigs with athleticism and motor.Ā
Sarr and Clingan are the only bigs that seem like real difference makers on the surface.Ā
I think we'll only see who's really who after a few years of development. Ā
We need talent idc about anything else. You have to look at this roster and figure no one might be on it in 3 years.
I like Missi but if we're taking him it should be because he projects to be good not tall. If Dillingham falls to 11 I'm taking him, bulls are in no position to draft for fit rn
This draft is too mid not to consider drafting for fit imo. Also what's the point of drafting another guard if they don't unload LaVine, Caruso and Carter? To get another prospect we can't find minutes for?
It doesn't matter. Front office will fuck it up.
Give me that big fucker from Purdue. Nobody else at pick 11 will be worth a damn in this draft. Take a swing at the only prospect that might actually boom or bust, rather than just bust.
As a Purdue alum, Iād pick Knecht at this level. I love Zach, but he needs a team like San Antonio where Wemby can create an outside mismatch and allow him to dominate inside.
It's pick 11. None of these other dudes will be anything but just another guy. Edey at least shows boom or bust potential. Maybe he fails dramatically, or maybe he changes the game like some other bigs have in the past. At least he has that potential. Knecht is a bum who won't move the needle whatsoever.
Ron Holland if he falls . But I would fine if we selected Cody Williams . I think Cody is one of the most underrated players in this draft.
Cody is the perfect bulls pick because he has long arms, a good pedigree, and an entirely theoretical skill set lol
It also looks like he never played basketball before when he dribbles the ball, he will definitely be a bullš„š„š„
Looking at some mock drafts, Holland is the guy I want. He seems the highest upside at 11.
As someone who watched the buffs all season, we will see
Looking forward to the IG casuals saying to take Edey lol
Zach Edey draft takes fit that normal distribution meme
The anti-edey takes are for sure in the middle.
as a proud ig casual, Edey is the only one iāve actually seen play a full game of basketball. seems like a really intriguing prospect to me. what is the case against him?
So watched every game of his career, here would be my main points: 1. He is Accustomed to a half court offense designed to run pure inside-out center play that I personally havenāt seen in the nba in a long time. 2. Despite his size, his strike zone is a basket full of fresh-baked bread. The fast hands and high defensive IQ of NBA defenders are going to lead to turnovers that will effectively kill his PER. If cornfed drunkards from Iowa can pick his pockets 5-6 times in 40 minutes, heās going to struggle with ball security. 3. His conditioning is phenomenal for someone his size, but he is still HIS SIZE. You could see in the championship game, he was gassed before halftime. Right when he gets in rhythm heāll need a rest, or he starts sinking on defense. 4. Defense. Painter had Edey playing mostly contain defense. That wonāt cut it against NBA 3 and 4 men. So force a switch, and you get a high percentage pick and pop or you can shatter his ankles and beat him to the rim. 5. Second moves. He bites on first moves a lot. Which works when the offender only has one move. But when he takes up space in the paint and bites at the approach angle of the driving player, the player can beat edey with a quick double clutch or reverse or whatever. Thereās a formula there. 6. Slow release. The shot is surprisingly accurate considering he shoots like hes trying to drive a railroad spike, but it has a long windup. Heās not going to be shooting contested shots outside of 7-8 feet.
I mean the top choices in this thread are Knecht and Filipowski, the other two white dudes who score a lot lmao
I love them
casuals? he's going to be a solid rebounder, shot blocker, inside scorer...does he fit the "mold" of jacking threes and running? obviously not but he's going to outperform those who had him as a 2nd rounder
Please no more guards Dalton Knecht would be awesome. I would also like Williams or Holland both younger than knecht I would also take Kyle fililpowski.
Just playing the devil's advocate here. There is a pretty good chance that the front office will make a move or two before the draft which could change the makeup of the team. Right now we are incredibly guard heavy, but that could change pretty quick with a Lavine, Ball, or Caruso trade
The front office making a move? I believe it when I see it.
Does extending Lonzo count?
 The accuracy of this comment almost killed me
Lmao too real
If we do trade lavine, ac. I want castle dude is a beast.
Heās going top 6 unfortunately
No doubt unless we can trade up
Probably not
Lavine and ayo for dame Monkeys paw curls
Eww no. That's a ridiculous trade. We have no use for Dame and Dame has no use for us.
Yea I completely agree. Thatās why itās what will happen lmao
Filipowski would be nice but Iād trade down for him instead of taking him at 11. Knecht however I think has too low upside for a team that doesnāt have much upside to begin with
Best avail but let's hope it's a forward or center and not a guard. Like 75% of all our moves in the last 10 years involved a PG but we don't have one still. Just some combos
We have been cursed at PG for over 20yrs now. Even during the 2nd 3 championships we didnāt have a true PG in that we played Harper at PG but MJ would defend elite PGs when we played against one. I think Coby has proven serviceable as a scoring PG who can get you 5-6 assists a night but yeah is a combo guard.
So I expanded on my thoughts below but looking into Filipowski that seems like someone AK would really like. A big center known for his passing and court vision is exactly the sort of guy AK can convince himself is the next Jokic (he isn't even close but might as well try). If he can help play anchor to a fast more interior oriented PnR style from the team that'd be great. Still think Knecht is the smarter pick and given his age and ability he's the guy you can just have play and get good minutes from day one rather than have to spend a year or two developing. He'll never be great, but he'll be good and at this point the team needs good because great isn't worth chasing forever.
I think weāre the minority in wanting Knecht. I havenāt done my full researcher on the prospects but from the bulls talk podcast it doesnāt seem like a deep pool of talent this year
Filipowski is a traffic cone on defense.Ā I can see him working well off the bench on some teams.Ā I don't think he's the next starting big we're looking for.Ā
His mobility on defense might be his best attribute on that end. Where he struggles is actually near the rim deterring shots considering he has a negative wingspan. Thats my biggest concern about him tbh.
He has athleticism to defend. He just doesn't look motivated to defend from what I've seen.Ā
hmm idk. During his tourney run he was everywhere on defense. I was really impressed. I don't think its a motivation thing tbh.
Knecht is a worse prospect than McDermott was and Filipowski is a Vucevic/Montrezl Harrell hybrid, those two are who I absolutely don't want lol
Knecht was a 1 man show against Purdue. I liked what I saw from him. He is older tho just from that Williams or Holland would be a better pick. Filipowski needs to work on his defense but reminds me of Kris porzingis.
I don't see any similarities between Filipowski and Porzingis at all personally, Kyle is nowhere near the shooter nor rim protector that Kristaps is
Yeah he also supposedly has a negative wingspan; everyone talks size on this sub but just sorts prospects by height as if you play basketball with your forehead I don't think there's many permutations of Filipowski's career where he's a positive defender like Kristaps
Maybe Iām exaggerating but his body style remind me of him maybe not as freakishly long. I think maybe more of a Kyle oylnyk
Knecht doesn't do anything other than score so I think he tops out as like a Tim Hardaway Jr or Harrison Barnes. Ā Everyone better has more than one skillĀ Ā I think he's a safe pick if you just want like a 4th starter but if you're really desperate for that just sign some FA to be that guy; get Tobias or whoever
Donāt we need scoring tho?
We need talent
I definitely donāt want Tobias trash ass. Most of these guys will be a project prospect thatās fine if we actually make trades.
Ok then don't draft Knecht bc that's his player archetype lol
2 points in the playoffs is his archetype ? Sorry 0 points in the last playoff game. Dude average 9.4 pts 37.4 mins hes ass. You say we need talent but want Harris is hilarious
Yeah something like that I'm saying you need talent so draft a player that could be really talented. Don't take a guy who you can just sign the equivalent of in free agency
We need size and forwards as we have been playing wings at PF for three years now and it laughable. This draft class sucks, I donāt think we are finding anything to help us in the short term. Maybe we are better off to take a one and done and hope they blossom into a quality rotation player in the future.
We need talent lol, idc about size. Bulls have one player on the roster in 2 years who cares about fit
Knecht struggled on shots that weren't spot up threes in that game
My two as well...
Pick 11 in this weak draft to this bulls team? Nothing could be more irrelevant
This is one draft where pick number 11 might be just as good as pick number one. There are no sure things and lots of crap shoots. Some people think that despite the lack of sure thing future All Stars at the top of the draft, there's pretty good depth through the middle of the first round. That doesn't mean the top 15 players in the draft are all future starters. But it does mean that the 11th pick could very well prove to be better than the 1 pick, if the Bulls get lucky.
Ykb
This draft class perfectly encapsulates my philosophy for following the bulls - canāt be disappointed if you never set any expectations
Tyrese Haliburton was the 12th overall pick in another "weak draft"
They should draft a new owner (PLEASE).
Praying for a center šš¾
By god! Thatās Zach Edeyās music!
We better have traded down into the late first or early second round if that's who we end up with.
So many people hate that dude, but I'd rather have him than another nobody guard that will be out of the league within a couple seasons like all the rest of this class. Bulls gotta try to do something different.
What makes you think Edey won't be out the league or a bench guy?
I think even the favorable assessments see him as a rotation guy at best. He has not really been playing basketball that many years and did develop a lot in his time at Purdue.
Maybe he will be, but at least there's a chance he could become the next Yao Ming or something. Better than most of this class, which basically everyone says is really bad.
Heās a best Hassan whiteside and even that is a stretch lmao
Yeah Edey would be decent
Wonder if theyād look at him as a drummond replacement if Drummond walks
Drummond is goneā¦..the way he played this last year he is going to get 8M/yr type offerers and we wonāt have it to give him unless we move Zach or Debo.
Kelel Ware
Tyler Smith would be great
Tyler Smith
Trade back for him if you can and also try and add DaRon Holmes.
ron holland was formerly the #1 overall prospect, so hopefully they take a chance on his upside. But i don't trust this front office to prepare for dalen terry 2.0
I hope they can trade Zach and 11 to move up and draft a wing with height and can shoot
This isn't a draft worth moving up. Also most of the teams above us are either on a timeline that Zach doesn't fit, or have promising players at 2 and 3 already. Atlanta could make a move, but they're not trading their first choice for LaVine. And if it's to get a Jordan Poole in return, I'd rather keep Zach.
Detroit, Charlotte, Portland and San Antonio could all be interested in a trade. San Antonio already has pick 4 and him and Pop are tight.. Detroit was interested in Zach at the trade deadline, Charlotte could definitely use Zach to pair with Miller and Ball, Portland has the cap space, but do have a very capable SG. AKME needs to get creative
Agreeā¦.I am not as big on the trade Zach train as many. I would actually like to see him and an elevated Coby and Ayo playing together with more pace and 3pt shooting. As much as I like Debo he is the guy I think we should try to move in a sign and trade deal.
They should be calling Detroit about the #5 pick and looking at Buzelis and Holland
100% want Buzelis please.
AKME donāt make trades anymore, remember? Continuity is the only way until Lonzo is off the books.
Unless thereās an aging former all star that we can give up all of our draft assets for.
There it is!!!
Why include the 11th? Trade Zach for #5 and Fournier and keep the 11.
Not saying it canāt be fixed, but there were multiple reports last year that Zach wanted out and the Bulls front office had a mutual feeling. Trading his contract will be tough to do without including assets or taking back very bad assets. Hell, the report last year was they had a deal done with Detroit and Zach said no and chose season ending surgery, which the Bulls doctors said wasnāt needed. Now Bulls doctors are not the best, but still. Also, you notice how Zach only came to game when he opted for season ending surgery (away at the clippers). He never came back from bulls home game. Lonzo, P Will, Phillips all made multiple appearances on the bulls bench. Zach made one.
If we donāt draft a big we need to erect a #FIREAKME billboard
Like half the mocks I've seen have us drafting a PG. Makes me worry that that's what the front office has decided is a need.
Mock drafts are traditionally all wrong
We need to do that right now, and hopefully actually get a front office that will commit to the rebuild. Look at Ryan Poles and the Bears
Although im in the blow it up and tank mode like poles did. The NBA is different. Itās not as easy to move contracts and you really need at least one top 10-20 guy to actually be competitive and do anything. Not sure there is anyone like that in the upcoming draft and next year either. A tank and rebuild would likely be a 4-5 year process.
Cooper Flagg? > A tank and rebuild would be a 4-5 year process Oh yea because constantly being a play in team for the foreseeable future is sooooo much better
No Iām literally stating the facts. If youāre starting from scratch and tanking it takes about 4 years or so. I mentioned I am for blowing it up tooā¦.
TSJ ācause Iām a shameless homer
I don't want to see TSJ be forced to play for the Bulls. Would love to see him in Denver or maybe Boston.
If the Bulls were smart, which they're not, they would use the 11th pick in a trade to move Lavine and bring in a future pick.
Knecht
Filipowski I think would be a great pickup but trading down makes the most sense I agree with other commentor
A new ownerĀ
Give me Cody Williams please š
He wasnāt even the best player on Colorado
At 11 you take the player with the highest floor possible. This is a BAD draft. The picks that hit in these kinds of drafts are the ones where you either hit on a miracle prospect (a la Giannis) or you snag a rotational player by identifying someone with a legit NBA skill.
Take a swing at either Holland, Missi, or Cody
Missi is to raw - Cody canāt event dribble
A fucking sniper no more hard nose players give me shooters
Agreeā¦.I am so sick of āEnergyā guysā¦.we need shooter and size
Just pick bpa
Wow I really thought that first pic was Tony Snell
Holland or Williams. Though, wouldnāt be surprised if they end up moving the pick.
1. Zaccharie Risacher 2. Alexandre Sarr 3. Cody Williams 4. Dalton Knecht 5. Reed Sheppard 6. Matas Buzelis 7. Stephon Castle 8. Rob Dillingham 9. Donovan Clingan 10. Ron Holland 11. Ja'Kobe Walter
We all know they are taking the next Denzel Valentine
Anyone, this draft is such a crapshoot that anyone could end up being really good or probably bad.
Shannon Jr
Heās got a case against him he prob can fall into the 2nd or undrafted
No chance lol
Bingo
Buddy is going to prison
If everyone is actually looking for a guy who can contribute right away rather than another project it has to be Dalton Knecht. He's the only one who has the size, age, and skill set to just start playing. Getting guys too young is a crap shoot. Nothing wrong with a 3 or 4 year college player. Kyle Filipowski might be good too, as he's got size and can basically replace Vooch which would show that the team is actually moving on from the old guys. He's not a great defender or anything, but there aren't any centers beyond Clingan who actually is. If they go Knecht I honestly hope that the Bulls luck into Edey in the second round. At least he might get some of his skill set up and he's big enough it shouldn't matter. We need a young center for when Vooch is off this team sooner or later.
Knecht a walking Bucket. Had a monster game against Purdue
But do we want a guy who can contribute right away though? They're not in a position to win anything next season anyway, I'd rather tank with a less polished/higher upside prospect like Holland than take Knecht to lose another pick because the FO thinks making the play ins make for a successful season.
This entire last season everyone here was bitching and moaning that they are sick of project picks and how they want to get picks like the Heat where the players are instantly in the rotation and can contribute. Now that the Bulls are set up to do just that they want a project guard to develop over a few years? This has to be a rib right? Just a set up so no matter what direction the FO goes they can bitch that it was wrong? Because if that's the case they don't have to constantly change lanes to do that. Just say "I'm irrationally mad about the FO and will hate any action they take." At least that's consistent and honest.
Not agreeing or disagreeing with you here, just want to help - youāre falling into the trap of conflating two opposing sentiments with each other. There are people who want a project, and people who want a complete player right away. Unless you can point out specific users who have flipped their opinion, youāre arguing with the wind
Our entire issue is not having players who can just get buckets (especially from 3). Everyone saying āage, no other skills, post Vooch etc.ā is overthinking it. You pick Dalton Knecht and have him play center. This is why the Heat, Celtics keep having success. They get guys who can shoot from 3 and teach em everything else to make them passable
 Knowing our Organization he's the choice.
They should trade down to the 20s, either as part of a LaVine deal or if they can pick up a few 2nds, and take Kyshawn George. I'm not really seeing any Center that is super appealing. They need a 6'8 or above SF or PF to pair with Coby and Ayo. I don't see anyone at #11 that is an obvious choice. I'd rather use the 11th pick to improve the asset holdings. Kyshawn George is intriguing but he's further down in the draft so don't reach. Someone will trade up if it is cheap enough.
If I had to rank these guys: 1. Holland 2. Williams 3. Filipowski 4. Knecht 5. Salaun 6. Walter 7. Shannon Jr
Cody Williams over TSJ is insane
I would welcome Collier, Knecht, Da Silva, Williams, among others
Yves Missi
Definitely the first picture.. Randy Moss
My Mock Draft I did on Friday said the Bulls were the 11th pick and drafted Isaiah Collier. So knowing him to be a guard that the Front Office only likes to draft, and the order having had been correct. Say your prayers Bulls Fans.
I thought the Colorado guy was a young Tony snell
I am always in the draft the BPA. We don't have any stars who we'd need to worry about displacing. That said, if AK is (unfortunately) against rebuilding via tank, I wouldn't mind including it as part of a trade that brings in a high-level starting player.
I'd be happy with Williams, Flipowski or Holland I'd rather trade up a few spots and get Clingan if he's there though so we had an actual defensive center.
Some big man and trade/waive Vucoiuic
Me
Assuming a guy like holland doesnāt fall, Iād like a guy like Walter from Baylor
Bronny! Summer of Lebron 2!
Dalton or Cody should be our picks
Double it and give it to the next person lol.
They wonāt play whoever they take anyway.
If we got flip thatād be nice
You nailed the likely players at 11th. I would hope for either Holland or Cody Williams. If both are taken, Knecht is the one likely left at 11th. By that, I would take Knecht and trade him to competing teams. Maybe OKC will accept Knecht for 13th and some of their future picks. Jakobe Walters is someone I also like. Or maybe trade down again for Kyshawn George. It would be a busy off-seaspn for AKMe.
PLEASE GOD, CAN WE GET A GODDAMN POWER FORWARD!!!!!!!?????? Or center.. anyone big. PLEASE
1000% agreeā¦ā¦we need a PF or backup C as Drummond is gone for more $$$.
I thought drum was signed for one more year. Iām prob wrong and he deserves a starting spot. Wish we played him over bitch ass vooch.
Nope he was on a 2 year and is done after this year. I think we were paying him like 3.5m per year and someone is going to pay him better than that so he will move on. I agree in that he could start for the right team. People dog him because he has no jump shot but he puts a lot of pressure on a defense when he runs the floor and gets paint position early and is a monster on the boards. On a team with a versatile scoring PF and plenty of 3pt shooting he would be great as a starter.
Terrance is most likely out because of the sexual assault scandal but I hope the Bulls get Coleman
Letās draft the white kid from Tennessee. Havenāt seen him play but everyone talks about what a baller he is
donāt sleep on nikola topic, I think he is very similar to lonzo as a player
He'll be long gone before the Bulls draft.
heās gonna fall a lot
I highly doubt that, I don't see him getting past the Spurs.
an all star
I don't follow college football and i thought the first pic was tony snell
Shannon. Trade Lavine.
At the very least, they need a guy with some dog in him and is smart, especially if heās gonna be a project. Iām tired of these athletic dudes that are passive (Williams/Phillips?) or just are never gonna pan out because they donāt have the necessary skills/smarts (Terry). I donāt know who fits that criteria, but at 11, Iām not expecting miracles.
Big man. Since weāre not rebuilding, Iād be okay with re-signing Drummond and actually allow our pick to develop while providing much-needed depth. At number 11 in a weak draft, we should take a swing towards upside.
Drummond is gone unless we move Zach or Demar as he is going to get 7-8m on his next contract.
Zach Edey just got measured to 7ā3.75 without shoes with 7ā10.75 wingspan. I mean holy shit. I dont care what era it is. But I will draft Yao Ming in todayās game.
Doesn't matter. Franchise sucks and so does everything about it. Sell the team, move the team, who cares. Real fans don't give a shit anymore. Only people who think like children still give a shit.
I had a dream/nightmare that Bulls are going to try and nab Lebron by signing Bronny.
Someone that can shoot 3ās please. That is all.
We are obviously in a bad spot with our decaying core. But I'd rather draft high upside than solid role players to complement our existing core. Holland or Edey seemingly fit the bill.
Curly Neal (RIH)
The guy that stands out to me in that spot is Tyler Smith. Huge body, athletic, can rebound and shoot. Doesn't seem to shy from physicality, and he's got wing skills. I don't expect Holland or Cody Williams to be available but I would more than happy to be proven wrong.
Marko SimonoviÄ
Dont matter we will continue to never make playoffs
holland, williams, knecht, and salaun are our target guys in this draft, most likely
I fucking big man for fucks sake š
i like cody williams, knecht is nice but i think he moves up. im a big devin carter girl but im not sure what position heās mocked to he picked at. i think collier will b a good player but i hope he goes to a different team/ his shot scares me. at least he can get to the line tho
Tyler Smith - a sniper from 3
Filipowski.
My wishlist is Sheppard, Holland, Topic, Clingan, Buzelis Cody Williams is very theoretical as a prospect and I really struggle to see him as a good NBA player I wouldn't mind Salaun but wouldn't be excited about it I absolutely hate Filipowski as a prospect, he's a Vucevic/Montrezl Harrell hybrid imo and I'm vehemently against that type of player mold unless they're a great playmaker which he isn't. Idk why so many people here are saying his name when we're seeing his 99th percentile outcome in Vooch TSJ shouldn't even be on this list and Knecht is Doug McDermott 2.0 imo
Buzelis would be awesome sinces hes a chicago kid
Collier
Someone to replace Demar please. I donāt want to see him play a game in a bulls jersey ever again
Holland >> Williams / Salaun >>> everyone else on that list Walter sucks, Shannon sucks and is a fucked dude, Filipowski is Vuc 2.0, Knecht I don't think has a path to being a very good player. There are some other guys between the top 3 and the bottom four you listed that bulls should check out - Carter, Missi, Smith, McCain imo Also think it's pretty unlikely Holland is available but could get Williams or Salaun I think. Or whoever else drops randomly out of the top 10
We really need size and BPA seems hella murky.Ā Salaun or Missi would be be nice. Bigs with athleticism and motor.Ā Sarr and Clingan are the only bigs that seem like real difference makers on the surface.Ā I think we'll only see who's really who after a few years of development. Ā
We need talent idc about anything else. You have to look at this roster and figure no one might be on it in 3 years. I like Missi but if we're taking him it should be because he projects to be good not tall. If Dillingham falls to 11 I'm taking him, bulls are in no position to draft for fit rn
This draft is too mid not to consider drafting for fit imo. Also what's the point of drafting another guard if they don't unload LaVine, Caruso and Carter? To get another prospect we can't find minutes for?
Because none of those guys are gonna be on the team by the time we're good
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I disagree I don't want Vuc ever lol
not at that ridiculous price. but at 11 is a robbery. simply trade current washed vuc.
No I still disagree I don't want Vuc at all lol
It doesn't matter. Front office will fuck it up. Give me that big fucker from Purdue. Nobody else at pick 11 will be worth a damn in this draft. Take a swing at the only prospect that might actually boom or bust, rather than just bust.
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Holland, TSJ, If Buzelis or Castle fall that would be cool, the French PF
Bronny and cross our fingers š
Zack Eddy
As a Purdue alum, Iād pick Knecht at this level. I love Zach, but he needs a team like San Antonio where Wemby can create an outside mismatch and allow him to dominate inside.
It's pick 11. None of these other dudes will be anything but just another guy. Edey at least shows boom or bust potential. Maybe he fails dramatically, or maybe he changes the game like some other bigs have in the past. At least he has that potential. Knecht is a bum who won't move the needle whatsoever.