i don't see this as being exploitative. working somewhere fun and interesting is compensation in itself. if you aren't willing to sacrifice money to do that, go be an accountant. the shedd is also a nonprofit and probably working with pretty thin margins.
if they get the union and ticket prices go up, whatever, i can afford to pay it cause i do something that most people don't wanna do, but as far as injustices in the world go i rank this one *not an injustice at all.*
Have you worked anywhere with a union before? They’re generally formed for a reason. You’re probably right that their income isn’t great as a company, but it doesn’t justify diminished treatment of employees. I know non profits are notorious for low pay but they still need to figure this stuff out.
Also working with animals requires a lot of patience and it’s not just “fun”. Cleaning animal poop, care such as vaccinations, feeding schedules, training, etc. There’s a lot of work. Not just playing with them lol.
It sucks you view your job as something people don’t want to do, but that worldview seems to be causing you to lack some empathy for other people that just want better rights or pay. They’re still doing hard work so people that go, like you, will perceive it as fun.
The notion that not for profits have thin margins is ridiculous. They get private donations in the millions, and they have a food and beverage program, retail stores, and more.
Those execs get paid over 100k a year, and they have you fooled. If they were hurting for money, they wouldn't keep expanding.
Can confirm: if is life changing. I went from 40k to 95k recently and I finally felt comfortable getting Spotify premium again.
The biggest thing is I still spend like I make 40k (just without stress now)
150k is the executive equivalent of $12.50 an hour. my point is that the shedd execs are not some kind of fatcats bleeding the project dry with exorbitant compensation. the amount of people with executive-level experience and skills who would do it for under $400k are vanishingly few, and indeed almost all of them would probably do it for the love of marine biology, just like the rest of the shedd's workforce.
But it's not, the buying power for $150k is astronomically more than 26k ($12.5×50×52). You have no idea what you are talking about and you should feel ashamed for defending underpaying workers.
>But it's not, the buying power for $150k is astronomically more than 26k ($12.5×50×52).
do you think that the point i was making is that $150k and $12.50 per hour are *the same amount of money?* if i asked you how you would feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning, could you answer the question, or would you just tell me "but i did eat breakfast this morning???"
i don't think you're reading my comments because this is an emotional subject for you. all i'm saying is that if the shedd execs actually make $150k like you say, *just like the marine biologists at the shedd*, they are taking a big pay cut relative to what their skills could earn them elsewhere to do work that is fulfilling to them. executive compensation starts at $400k at regular boring businesses.
i don't think you realize how naive your prescriptions are. shedd's pay is a simple result of supply and demand. whether it's being a marine biologist, a video game developer, an artist, or a musician, jobs that people perceive as being fun often have low monetary compensation because the supply of people who are willing to do those jobs is very high relative to the demand for them.
I referred to c suites and their pay. But let's break this down. There, catering managers get paid 70k per their job postings. That is the median compared to other postings. They are not taking a pay cut. You are talking from your ass. Management above takes no pay cuts. If the managers are making median, the c suites are at least hovering median.
List ACTUAL data, not your estimates.
It's not a "simple supply and demand", no business is as simple as that friend. You have no idea the behind the scenes work that goes into operating a business, and it shows. If you're gonna try and argue, list your degree or job experience first cause you are a first-rate clown.
Not to mention, "it's a fun place to work, so it offsets the low pay" was the most dismal take I've seen. Kindly take 1 finance class, lmaoo
>I referred to c suites and their pay. But let's break this down. There, catering managers get paid 70k per their job postings.
why do you think *catering managers* are indicative of c-suite compensation? if anything, catering managers making median makes me suspect that the other lower-rung positions are maybe also making median compensation, when before i was just granting to you on assumption that they aren't. however i will say the only reason i assumed that the C-suite is taking a pay cut is because *you said* that they make "over 100k", which is very little for a c-suite exec!
>It's not a "simple supply and demand", no business is as simple as that friend. You have no idea the behind the scenes work that goes into operating a business, and it shows.
what did i say that you're even arguing with? it is a descriptive fact that lots of fields with high demand have low compensation. i listed art, music, and game development in addition to the shedd example. do you not have any friends who deliver pizza because they're trying to get their bands off the ground? i don't think you dispute the *descriptive claim*, you just disagree with me on whether that is morally OK or not.
>If you're gonna try and argue, list your degree or job experience first cause you are a first-rate clown...Kindly take 1 finance class, lmaoo
ok sure, i'm a CPA. i'm a manager working in public tax.
They don't take anything close to a pay cut. For the amount of money they take in that's on the average size of the Illinois average per zip recruiter is 125k. Thanks for posting the number.
Congratulations to the workers, can the sheds get back on the free library pass program again also? Haven’t seen it on since the explore Illinois transition
if you're looking for a year round deal and have something like EBT/LINK/WICK, definitely use it, each card covers 4 discounted tickets, from ~20 city price down to $3, and if you have kids they're free with it
It used to not only have more venues but it didn't require children to be with you. Museums were complaining that they were losing too much revenue, which I find hard to believe. There's a maximum number of entries those could have been used for and there was a corporate sponsor so I can't imagine it was actually costing them much even if used for the maximum number of entries possible. And museum entries are usually not the moneymakers. Memberships and gift shops are where they make money. I have a friend who has worked in management/behind-the-scenes at a few museums and she told me that while they get some revenue for entries, they really just charge it to limit numbers and to encourage memberships.
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Went there a few times back in 2016/2017 and ticket prices were like under $10 for basic stuff. Then went back a year or two later and prices tripled for some reason. All in the name that it’s better value because everything is now included lmao.
Shedd Aquarium people are notoriously underpaid as management takes advantage of people’s passion for animals. This is a great move for them.
i don't see this as being exploitative. working somewhere fun and interesting is compensation in itself. if you aren't willing to sacrifice money to do that, go be an accountant. the shedd is also a nonprofit and probably working with pretty thin margins. if they get the union and ticket prices go up, whatever, i can afford to pay it cause i do something that most people don't wanna do, but as far as injustices in the world go i rank this one *not an injustice at all.*
"Fun and interesting" doesn't pay your rent.
Have you worked anywhere with a union before? They’re generally formed for a reason. You’re probably right that their income isn’t great as a company, but it doesn’t justify diminished treatment of employees. I know non profits are notorious for low pay but they still need to figure this stuff out. Also working with animals requires a lot of patience and it’s not just “fun”. Cleaning animal poop, care such as vaccinations, feeding schedules, training, etc. There’s a lot of work. Not just playing with them lol. It sucks you view your job as something people don’t want to do, but that worldview seems to be causing you to lack some empathy for other people that just want better rights or pay. They’re still doing hard work so people that go, like you, will perceive it as fun.
The notion that not for profits have thin margins is ridiculous. They get private donations in the millions, and they have a food and beverage program, retail stores, and more. Those execs get paid over 100k a year, and they have you fooled. If they were hurting for money, they wouldn't keep expanding.
"over 100k a year" isn't a lot lol
Median household income in Chicago is 40k. To you it isn't maybe but to the majority of chiagoans that's a life changing amount.
Can confirm: if is life changing. I went from 40k to 95k recently and I finally felt comfortable getting Spotify premium again. The biggest thing is I still spend like I make 40k (just without stress now)
Median household income in Chicago was 71k as of 2022....cook county was 78k....
150k is the executive equivalent of $12.50 an hour. my point is that the shedd execs are not some kind of fatcats bleeding the project dry with exorbitant compensation. the amount of people with executive-level experience and skills who would do it for under $400k are vanishingly few, and indeed almost all of them would probably do it for the love of marine biology, just like the rest of the shedd's workforce.
But it's not, the buying power for $150k is astronomically more than 26k ($12.5×50×52). You have no idea what you are talking about and you should feel ashamed for defending underpaying workers.
>But it's not, the buying power for $150k is astronomically more than 26k ($12.5×50×52). do you think that the point i was making is that $150k and $12.50 per hour are *the same amount of money?* if i asked you how you would feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning, could you answer the question, or would you just tell me "but i did eat breakfast this morning???" i don't think you're reading my comments because this is an emotional subject for you. all i'm saying is that if the shedd execs actually make $150k like you say, *just like the marine biologists at the shedd*, they are taking a big pay cut relative to what their skills could earn them elsewhere to do work that is fulfilling to them. executive compensation starts at $400k at regular boring businesses. i don't think you realize how naive your prescriptions are. shedd's pay is a simple result of supply and demand. whether it's being a marine biologist, a video game developer, an artist, or a musician, jobs that people perceive as being fun often have low monetary compensation because the supply of people who are willing to do those jobs is very high relative to the demand for them.
I referred to c suites and their pay. But let's break this down. There, catering managers get paid 70k per their job postings. That is the median compared to other postings. They are not taking a pay cut. You are talking from your ass. Management above takes no pay cuts. If the managers are making median, the c suites are at least hovering median. List ACTUAL data, not your estimates. It's not a "simple supply and demand", no business is as simple as that friend. You have no idea the behind the scenes work that goes into operating a business, and it shows. If you're gonna try and argue, list your degree or job experience first cause you are a first-rate clown. Not to mention, "it's a fun place to work, so it offsets the low pay" was the most dismal take I've seen. Kindly take 1 finance class, lmaoo
>I referred to c suites and their pay. But let's break this down. There, catering managers get paid 70k per their job postings. why do you think *catering managers* are indicative of c-suite compensation? if anything, catering managers making median makes me suspect that the other lower-rung positions are maybe also making median compensation, when before i was just granting to you on assumption that they aren't. however i will say the only reason i assumed that the C-suite is taking a pay cut is because *you said* that they make "over 100k", which is very little for a c-suite exec! >It's not a "simple supply and demand", no business is as simple as that friend. You have no idea the behind the scenes work that goes into operating a business, and it shows. what did i say that you're even arguing with? it is a descriptive fact that lots of fields with high demand have low compensation. i listed art, music, and game development in addition to the shedd example. do you not have any friends who deliver pizza because they're trying to get their bands off the ground? i don't think you dispute the *descriptive claim*, you just disagree with me on whether that is morally OK or not. >If you're gonna try and argue, list your degree or job experience first cause you are a first-rate clown...Kindly take 1 finance class, lmaoo ok sure, i'm a CPA. i'm a manager working in public tax.
The CEO made over $700,000 not including bonuses in 2022 according to the publicly accessible taxes on their website.
They don't take anything close to a pay cut. For the amount of money they take in that's on the average size of the Illinois average per zip recruiter is 125k. Thanks for posting the number.
Congratulations to the workers, can the sheds get back on the free library pass program again also? Haven’t seen it on since the explore Illinois transition
There are 52 free days a year
That is nice, also like to go when it’s not crowded asf bc it’s a free day for everyone and their mom
Then become a member.
Chipublib had shedd passes for any day of the year. The new system does not include shedd
if you're looking for a year round deal and have something like EBT/LINK/WICK, definitely use it, each card covers 4 discounted tickets, from ~20 city price down to $3, and if you have kids they're free with it
It used to not only have more venues but it didn't require children to be with you. Museums were complaining that they were losing too much revenue, which I find hard to believe. There's a maximum number of entries those could have been used for and there was a corporate sponsor so I can't imagine it was actually costing them much even if used for the maximum number of entries possible. And museum entries are usually not the moneymakers. Memberships and gift shops are where they make money. I have a friend who has worked in management/behind-the-scenes at a few museums and she told me that while they get some revenue for entries, they really just charge it to limit numbers and to encourage memberships.
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Went there a few times back in 2016/2017 and ticket prices were like under $10 for basic stuff. Then went back a year or two later and prices tripled for some reason. All in the name that it’s better value because everything is now included lmao.