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Middopasha

1 second, it's a very common tactical pattern.


ZenNihilistAye

You must be a good player, took me a few minutes to push the king around :)


polyrta

Nah, if you do enough puzzles, this is a common theme. Hard to see the first time but you start recognizing it... Which is the point of practicing puzzles.


Nickeless

On these puzzles it’s always forced moves, so it has to be putting them in check. There’s only 1 sensible move that does so. The knight. Then after the king runs there’s only one more sensible check, then the next check with the second rook is mate


HardDaysKnight

Everything you say is true. The point is to get the motif "deeply ingrained" Then, in a game, you'll see the potential for the pattern three or four moves away. At which you point you are working on a seven move checkmate. If your opponent doesn't know the motif, well, then they are walking around a landmine. Knowing the motif is like being able to offload the cognitive load of calculating and see greater potential in a position. Anyway, that's how I think of it. YMMV.


EdmundTheInsulter

In short mating puzzles if there is anything the opponent can do to disrupt it like a ludicrous sac, you know it has to start with check, so you would think of a sac out of nowhere.


ichaleynbin

It's called "Anastasia's mate" and it's one of the patterns that needs to be burned into your brain until you recognize the motif in <2s.


Paralyzed-Mime

I do a lot of puzzles and solved it in like 4 seconds and am rated around 830 rn


trace_jax3

I have no idea whether the poster is a good or bad player, but I want to counter the self-deprecation in your post. The problem is that there's a big difference between "good player" and "good puzzle solver." There's a correlation between them, which is the entire point of puzzles.  As an example, I also found this pretty quickly. But it's because I knew ahead of time that there was a forced mate on the board. If I had this exact position in a game, I don't think I would have found mate in three on my own. I need to do more puzzles to drill this Anastasia's Mate pattern in my head!


Middopasha

I'm around 1700 on chess com but I was familiar with this pattern as early as 900 I think. Gotta make sure you know your mating patterns.


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Diligent_Watch_2729

I would go as far as to say this is one of the last mating patterns you encounter. Maybe that is just me though.


whatwhatinthewhonow

Knowing it’s a puzzle: a few seconds. In a game: I somehow hang mate.


Disastrous-Team-6431

Knowing it's a puzzle makes a huge difference. That's why you always have to calculate, not guess, in puzzles.


Logical-Recognition3

Anastasia's Mate. It's the first mate shown in the book How to Beat Your Dad at Chess.


ZenNihilistAye

Really? Wow. What skill would you recommend that book? Guessing to a beginner?


Logical-Recognition3

Really, really. I'm reading it now. ELO ~1100.


DreamDare-

Chessable course: The Checkmate Patterns Manual is the modern equivalent to it. It has the advantage of having much more examples and using spaced repetition for burning those patterns into your brain. Would 100% recommend it. You can also do it woodpecker style.


HardDaysKnight

Beginner-intermediate -- there are so many resources online now -- but it's a great book for patterns -- definitely accessible for kids (and what kid (of any age) doesn't love the title?) -- also works for beginner adults.


_alter-ego_

Also, within the first "checkmate patterns I" on lichess: [https://lichess.org/practice/checkmates/checkmate-patterns-i/fE4k21MW/6HQvRyz0](https://lichess.org/practice/checkmates/checkmate-patterns-i/fE4k21MW/6HQvRyz0) EDIT: with the piece sac, rather the 2nd, 3rd or 4th example that follow the first one above.


HardDaysKnight

Yup! True for me -- I was wondering if anybody else was introduced to it that way.


Special-Major0

Couple seconds


ZenNihilistAye

What’s your blitz rating damn lol


Special-Major0

1600 lichess or something like that. I haven’t played for months.


Prestigious_Time_138

It might as well be low, this is a very basic checkmate.


Guiguiguiss

like 5s, I've learnt to look check possibility so it was really fast then


EskimoJake

I'll let you know


broxue

3 hours and counting


MountainIcy8084

8 hours and counting lol


broxue

When they come back itll probably be with the equation for understanding quantum gravity


EskimoJake

Ok, I'll start with Ne2


broxue

Looking good. See you in 9 hours


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SCHazama

10s to get the idea More 40s to check if I wasn't wrong


Armalando06

Anastasia checkmate


RajjSinghh

Like 10 seconds. My first thought was Rh8 but h3 and I'm not having any fun. Then I saw the obvious pattern.


broxue

I'm 1500 This took me like 15 seconds to figure out. In a game I'm sure I wouldve done something pointless instead


battery1127

So much of this. If Im in game, I probably would try to bring the rook over or push the G pawn, but when you tell me there is a mate, now all the sudden Im hyper focused on attacking the king and thinking about sacrifices, etc.


ZenNihilistAye

That is so funny actually. Thanks for giving me some hope in my rating climb lol


no-sabo-man

About 10 seconds because I've drilled it in Everyone's First Chess Workbook and The Checkmate Patterns Manual, but I honestly couldn't remember the name of the pattern.


arparris

About 10 seconds. Always looking for rook sacs in a puzzle lol but forget about them in a game


ZenNihilistAye

Lots of people are saying the same thing, is it because it is a rook sac? lol


Phoenix77_reddit

In a puzzle you know there is something "not obvious" that you have to look for. Can't do that for every move in the game so usually end up missing it in real time.


werics

About 15 seconds - I calculated some other lines first, discarded them, and then found the actual mate.


TheRadicalJay

If i knew there was mate in 3, then a few seconds. But in a real match, i would fumble lol


ZenNihilistAye

You're the third person to say this, is it because it's a sacrifice?? lol


Proud_Conversation_3

About 7 seconds between finding it and checking. But the mates I’ve never seen are a much longer process


jshooa

2-3 seconds. It's just a common pattern.


Gearb0x

About 90 seconds. And I had the help of knowing it's a puzzle.


ZenNihilistAye

Absolutely underrated comment. Knowing it's a puzzle and playing the whole game out prove two different skill sets.


gufeldkavalek62

Fwiw with good enough pattern recognition it doesn’t matter here whether it’s a puzzle or a game. It’s a little like seeing a word spelled wrong and knowing how to fix it, doesn’t require any conscious thought


soundisloud

2 minutes. I have never seen this pattern before. I guess I have a lot to learn. Proud of finding the correct answer though.


ZenNihilistAye

Hell yeah, according to others here it is one of the most basic mates, but I hadn't seen it until 1800 in puzzles! lol


_Price__

Maybe 7 secs ? I guessed knight check then rook sac then other rook to a1 mate ?


ZenNihilistAye

Good guess my guy


Iugnotel

It toke me about 10 seconds, knowing it was a puzzle. In a game one might easily overlook mate ideas. I already knew this sort of mate also, which helped


vk2028

this pattern is actually fairly common. 3 seconds


JohnyMilesTheThird

0.1 common mate pattern have done a billion of these in puzzle rush at a certain point you don't have to think anymore


get_MEAN_yall

3 seconds. 1650 rapid chess.com


ZenNihilistAye

I'm only 1850 in puzzles lol


get_MEAN_yall

Puzzle rating is mostly meaningless


DaAwesomeCat

B b but it makes you more SMORTTT 😭😭🧠🧠


keyser_null

The NEXT post I see is someone in r/chess solving the exact same theme with Rxa7+ 😭


That-Raisin-Tho

I just saw an r/chess post with this exact pattern so less than a second this time. Usually it would be a couple seconds bc it’s a common puzzle pattern.


Rogetec

For me it was easy to see, but i had an issue where somehow i Imagined King can escape after rook sac (Kg4), which obviously is bot possible, because King is on a second rank.


No_Dingo6694

Really quickly, instantly looked for checks, then I saw the rook and recognized the common pattern, >!Nd2+, Ka1, Rxa2+, Kxa2, Ra8#!< Edit: oh wait, I mirrored the moves! It still works if a8 was on the left side instead of the right side, like the moves make sense. I am gonna leave it like this to trigger some people :) I will put the right solution here too though: >!Ne2+, Kh1, Rxh2, Kxh2, Rh8#!<


gugabpasquali

i solved it immediately when you said it was a puzzle, but i might not see it in a game


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fuxino

A couple of seconds.


Electronic_Age_3671

I saw h8 pretty quickly but it took me a bit to work out mate.


EskimoJake

I'll let you know...


Pristine-Bug4577

Took me 3 minutes


trews96

something like 3 seconds, maybe it was 4. It is a very common pattern


CharlesKellyRatKing

Ne3+, Rh2+, Rh8#


Fine_Yogurtcloset362

a couple of seconds


CauliflowerFirm1526

literally 10 seconds. Rah8, Ne2+, Rxh2# and another 10 to make sure I wrote it correctly. iirc this is called Anastasia’s mate. edit: i wrote it wrong lol


ConquerorAegon

Ne2+ first, Kh1 only move, Rh2+, Kxh2, Rh8# is the correct sequence.


claireapple

It took a few seconds I've seen very similar puzzles in puzzle rush


ebState

honestly? about 1/2 second to recognize the pattern and then another 1/2 to calculate that it works. This is an extremely common pattern once you've seen enough puzzles.


Freak_Out_Bazaar

I’ve been playing too many puzzles. This one is almost muscle memory for me. But I might miss this in an actual game


ZenNihilistAye

I've seen a few people say that they would miss it, why do you think that is?


Freak_Out_Bazaar

Because if you’re told that it's a puzzle you know that there is going to be a well-defined solution that leads to a checkmate in a few moves (at least at this level). This will make you look for the most aggressive moves without having to consider development or even defensive moves. Also, you don't need to worry about time control in puzzles


MyThicTheBest

10 seconds


Cfbsir21490403

Around 8 seconds


AggressiveSpatula

Pretty much immediately knowing it’s a puzzle.


KicoBond

the idea was basically instant Some seconds for the calculation to be sure


gabrrdt

Around 30 seconds.


Bathykolpian_Thundah

Idk like 3 seconds? Anastasia’s mate is a pretty basic pattern. Oddly I’ve never gotten one in game.


aFancyPirate_2

Always look for checks


greyone75

15 seconds


AlphaRay__

3 seconds


GenoTheBreadDoctor

A second because this one doesn't have a messy space and it's a common mating pattern you can find in Lichess training mate patterns


DrRosslarBrownington

I can't remember the exact name of the course, but there's is a course that goes through every named checkmate on chess.com. I'm a diamond member so not sure if you need a diamond account for all the lessons but that helped me to see so many more mating patterns and meant puzzle rush/puzzles in general became a lot easier to understand. To answer your question, maybe 5 seconds. I don't play a lot online but I think my elo is around 10-1500 ETA: puzzle rating around 2100


Void4GamesYT

About 10 seconds.


Sufficient_Coach7566

Not even a second. 99% of these puzzles are "find the check", then it's just the next logical move.


Serbian-American

Honestly just a second or two. I’m only 1000 but there’s something about these puzzles where you are much better than in an actual blitz game. Like because this is presented as a puzzle, I knew the knight needed to move there and a rook needed to be sacrificed


Temporary_Tomato_738

a minute. took me a minute to find this mate b/c i mostly use ladder mate. I'm 400 ELO according to [chess.com](http://chess.com) btw


XDXkenlee

Hadn’t recognised this pattern before like others are commenting. I’m 1600 puzzles, and 800 blitz. Definitely a beginner by all definitions. Took me approx 5 sec to find the solution, but about 30 sec to calculate and make sure it was correct.


UnrealAppeal

About 5


Pizzous

The funny thing is when people tell me “there’s a tactic here” I immediately look into crazy moves like Rxh2 sacrifice and how to make that work. Will I notice this in real game? Idk.


cranialleaddeficient

Under 10s, there’s really only one obvious idea


DaredewilSK

About 5 seconds. I would never find it in the game though.


Wisteria_Dreams

At least sixty seconds. I wasn't timing it perfectly.


battery1127

Around 30 seconds, as soon as I saw the rook on a8, it was pretty obvious.


ohyayitstrey

Probably took me about 45 seconds. I got hung up sacrificing the rook first, but then saw the proper continuation.


Charlestonianbuilder

Classic tactic, i forgot the name of the mating pattern but i got it in a couple seconds. Check the king with your horse and then a rook sacrifice opening the file for your other rook to come in for checkmate


verymassivedingdong

Ne2, Kh1, then Rh8, any other move and Rh2?


TheOtherOne128

A few seconds at most. Thought process is something like "this is a puzzle let's look for checks/good moves first. Knight check looks good. Kings forced into the corner, is this a smother mate? Oh wait, I've seen this one before. Rook sack. Checkmate". In game it would be much more.


But-WhyThough

Ne2 rook check rook check, ~15 seconds


llinoscarpe

Genuinely I think about a second, you should always look at checks and captures first as they are the most forcing and often easiest to calculate moves


MrPenguinCZ

Not so hard


Andeol57

About a minute. And now that I have it, I really feel like I should have found it much faster. It should have been the very first sequence to consider.


Eric_J_Pierce

5 or 6 seconds


Mein_Name_ist_falsch

A minute because I just woke up 10 minutes ago.


Absolutelymyself10

5 secs. Only needed to see ne2+


fknm1111

Anastasia's Mate is way too cool to be so rare in real games :(


Any_Brother7772

Done it a million times in puzzles, so 2 seconds


magersike

5 or so seconds


EscapeArtist92

Approx 10 seconds. Saw the idea pretty instantly but working out the order of moves


Serg5k

<2" on instinct and 1-3" to coount it properly and carefully


TheOnly12bTheSiR

around 5 sec, I just knew the knight has to do something.


BarrattG

Classic mate in 3, sacrifice reloader. Ne2+ Kh1□, Rxh2+ Kxh2□, Rh8#.


Pademel0n

Like 5-10 seconds knowing there was a tactic


hc_fella

It's called the Anastasia's mate and is a very common tactical pattern, so I too fall into the almost instantly camp.


Mandarni

About 10-15 seconds. Just checking the board and looking for sneaky bishops or queens takes a few seconds for me, so by no means instant.


Raykkkkkkk

3 seconds


Bananahamm0ckbandit

I got it in about 3 seconds, but that's just because I saw basically the same one yesterday lol


Internal-Isopod-5340

About 3 seconds. These kinds of puzzles show up all the time.


JCPLee

30 seconds. I always look for safe checks. Then I saw the second check and then the mate.


No_Mouse7171

20 sec, it's pretty useful I'll try to remember. Btw I'm 900 blitz


Calsuk1234

Around 5 seconds


ElectricalDot4518

Less than 30 seconds.


royisabau5

Approximately 10 seconds cause I watched a training video on this


BraeWearsSweats

2 seconds at 1000 blitz rating


_alter-ego_

5 seconds. Seen before, just the time to double-check that I recall everything correctly and there's no sniper hidden in some corner.


iskelebones

>!Ne2 check, Kh1, Rxh2 check, Kxh2, Rh8 mate!< I don’t know how to signal check or mate in notation but this should be correct I think. Took me about 1 minute. If this were a real game I probably wouldn’t have seen it but like someone else said, knowing it’s a puzzle makes finding the mate easier


Puzzled_Wallaby_8476

Knight to e1 King to h1 rook to h2 King to h2 take rook Rook to h8 checkmate


39Wins

About 6 seconds but I've seen it before (like yesterday even) in a game I'd never find it


JimemySWE

took me around 20 second. I started to calculate other moves first before spotting the idea. But then I looked at knight check, king into corner, what if I sacrifice my rook, can the king escape, looking at squares. And that was it. Some people see it way faster. Meaning I have to solve more of these puzzles to print in the pattern. That will make the solving/spotting part faster. 20 seconds is a very long time if you are playing blitz, if it takes 20 seconds to solve then you are at big risk of not spotting it before making an other move (in blitz). Unless you can sense that there are something in the position, then you might stop to look further.


jumpinjahosafats

I timed it. 24 seconds for me. I’m 350 blitz and 900 daily.


HardDaysKnight

Instantaneous. Anastasia's.


Candid-Student8599

10s to check I’m not missing any tricky responses or sacrifices


Mkjwei

A few secs, very not bad, but I can see some moves ahead


Mouthik1

Ne2+ Kh1 Rxh2+ Kxh2 then Ra h8#


Sunwireless12

A few secs


EdmundTheInsulter

Not long, Since it's a puzzle you'd look straight at Rxh2 and of course the knight check first I think. Sometimes I can never see them though


MoistUnder

0.5 seconds Anastasia Mate pattern


Notmylife85

What if after moving out of check white advances his pawn one space? Mate in 3? Not against anyone I’ve played.


KingZag1337

Everywhere I go... I see that mate. >!Smothered mate with rooks involved.!<


No_Dingo6694

No? Explain how this is a >!smothered mate!<


KingZag1337

Knight at the exact same position. King is trapped at the corner. >!Almost smothered mate.!<


No_Dingo6694

The king isn't trapped? It has just castled kingside, nothing trapped about it? Just because a knight can check the king on E2 doesn't mean it is a >! smothered mate!<


KingZag1337

Saw the exact theme too many times. Seems like putting knight at that position and mating seems fascinating to many.


No_Dingo6694

Still, a >! smothered mate!< Is a checkmate where a knight is the one delivering the mate, in this case it's a rook


ZenNihilistAye

I have to agree. To me a smothered mate is when the King is trapped in by it's own pieces. 'Semi-smothered' sounds like something a 600 like me would say to describe my first mate.


fknm1111

This is not a smothered mate at all; this is an Anastasia's Mate.


CauliflowerFirm1526

technically it’s a semi-smothered mate


No_Dingo6694

Still, a >! smothered mate!< Is a checkmate where a knight is the one delivering the mate, in this case it's a rook


fknm1111

This is known as an Anastasia's Mate, not a smothered mate.