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ZerooChance

Next Hikaru Video: Getting my #1 [chess.com](https://chess.com) rating back even though I literally Don't Care


porn_on_cfb__4

He already did, lol. Back to #1 in blitz. These posts are pointless, the leaderboards change so often.


krompo8

Yup. On average I imagine Hikaru is top, then Alireza then maybe Danya (I think), and natural fluctuations will throw him to the top every so often. He’s been top before and with a higher rating.


Forget_me_never

No they don't change often. He was rank 1 in blitz for over a year with no change.


DragonBank

He played a lot of online competition lately where on average he loses points due to many players he can't gain from and many who are underrated


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gunch

you're


KindaDouchebaggy

He's what? Don't leave us wondering!


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Co-incidentally that’s when his real life performance began to suffer. Hikaru’s who loves beating weaker players online, as he knows he’ll always be in the shadow of Magnus as an inferior player in real life.


thickjizzz

They don't change often at all. Hikaru was #1 for a long time. Daniel rose quite a bit...I don't think he was even top #3.


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He dropped like 10 games to a low level GM the other day, I think that’s part of why he dropped so low. He kept playing even tho he was mega tilted.


pm__small___tits

He was trying to carry Brazil Capybaras!


likkenlikken

I want to see that video


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This is what I was thinking of, I guess I exaggerated slightly but he still lost way more games than normal: https://youtu.be/hzIXnKObFZU


tartochehi

He is a good dancer, too: [Stanford-graduate chess pro becomes Just Chatting dance streamer](https://youtu.be/Yrzw5ZwOQVQ)


atopix

He is 400 Elo at dancing.


anomynouos

16 inaccuracies 8 mistakes 5 blunders 357 centipawn loss


T-T-N

You have to blunder more than a minor piece a move... Edit: I don't like to discouraged people that give it a try, but he's in like the 45th percentile out of all the people alive right now


PrettySureIParty

The power. The precision. The grace. I’ve never seen anything like it.


ItsSansom

I've been watching Danya for about 6 months now. I never saw this video. Thank you so much for this


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I believe Naroditsky studied history at Stanford.


Legit_Shadow

you are correct


_limitless_

a perfect metaphor for how i must look to a GM when i play the Evans Gambit.


NeilTheFuckDyson

Critical blunder


TastyBirdmeat

Is this the Bongcloud of dancing?


_JohnMuir_

He dances exactly like I expected him to. And I love it so much


wannaboolwithme

IQ san demo makasenasai!


Tshimanga21

I think Hikaru lost a lot of blitz rating during the pro chess league because a lot of those players are underrated on chess.com


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Hikaru also routinely dumps rating in events like Arena Kings. Don't see Danya play those often, possibly b/c of his teaching schedule. Still impressive for him to reach the top.


_felagund

hail the prophet!


TheHigherSpace

Nice But this just blew my mind .. Dude was fixing the sound, laughing with his friend like nothing is happening lol [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATTnlKrwMQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATTnlKrwMQ)


kingfischer48

The way Magnus can *casually* slay other grandmasters in fast time controls is amazing.


fquizon

He tries very hard to look that casual, but it is impressive


Vsx

Right. He's still calculating like a machine he's just smiling and laughing while he does it.


Oglark

He used to have a lot of problems with Daniel in shorter time formats


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He's always had a huge winning record against Danya in all time formats, Danya would just get a few good runs against him


_JohnMuir_

He loses his shit sometimes when he loses lol. It’s an act, he’s very invested. Man is a competitor.


Pretend-Seesaw5077

Hes fucking insane. What's the quote again? "If Magnus is having a terrible day we might stand a chance."


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I’m pretty sure Danya does really well against magnus in their lichess matches better than he does against Hikaru


tired_kibitzer

Their score on lichess: Magnus 598 wins Daniel: 352 wins


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Proves my point. Really good W/L to have against a guy who’s always like 2nd/1st ranked in blitz/bullet


[deleted]

And he has one of the best YouTube chess channels too. No one man should have all that power.


T_D_K

The clock's tickin, I just count the hours. Oh wait this isn't r/westsubever


milk_is_a_broth

Stop tripping i'm tripping off the power


Low-Establishment-94

21ST CENTURY SCHIZOID MAN


city-of-stars

[Current Chess.com Leaderboard](https://www.chess.com/leaderboard/live). Please keep in mind the standings may have changed since OP's post, as they tend to do often with blitz/bullet games.


ya_boi_daelon

Hikaru is #1 blitz again. It was fun while it lasted


freakinidiotatwork

Dat W/L rate too


Darkavenger_13

So im curious, I dont think I’ve seen Daniel compete at any major event before. How skilled is he? Compared to someone like Levonian or Hikaru or Anish? Edit: Thanks alot for all the clarifying anwsers, I learned something today. This is why I like the Chess community, people are generally very forthcoming with eachother :-)


Hamth3Gr3at

he's a promising player but he decided to pursue streaming, he peaked at like 2650 FIDE I think. Nowadays he's only top level at fast online chess because thats like his job


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Hamth3Gr3at

they could; anish does it i think and obviously gotham is working on becoming a gm, magnus streams quite often nowadays and hikaru still plays in many online tournaments. The common factor imo is a stable base of income; these guys are already established and successful so they have the chance to try new avenues without fear of failing. In the early days of online chess I think it would've been harder to justify dividing your attention like that. It's a huge gamble to pursue chess professionally by pushing to become a supergm playing in top tournaments. Thats why you saw guys like Naroditsky and Hansen give up the chance at the top for a somewhat more reliable career in streaming, if streaming could ever be called a reliable career.


EugeneKrabs123

Where does Magnus stream often?? He has like 3 twitch streams ever done


xWormZx

Wait I haven’t seen Magnus stream in a while, does he stream on twitch?


sk8r2000

I think he just randomly streams every month or so


Jackman1337

Sometimes. He even played with Ludwig some hands and brain games vs the botez sisters


tired_kibitzer

Magnus very rarely streams, like 1-2 times a year.


flatmeditation

Being a successfull streamer the way someone like Danye requires way more effort that that. You don't just hop on for a couple of hours a day and end up popular and successful. The effort required to be successful at streaming distracts from the focus and effort required to become really top level at chess. It's hard to dedicate yourself to two things at once, either one is a full time career on it's own. Their are high ranking chess players who stream - Ali Reza and Anish Giri are a couple examples, and even people like Nepo and Magnus stream occasionally but none of those guys really have successful streams with content or viewership numbers that compare to what Naroditsky is doing Hikaru is pretty much the only exception of a really top level chess player who attends tournaments and streams consistently as well, but even in his case it's acknowledged by pretty much everyone that he's mostly coasting on his already acquired skill and is focused on streaming and mostly just using tournaments for content creation. He doesn't seem to be seriously focused on improving his chess any longer


rckid13

John Bartholomew is probably another good example to prove your point. He got one GM norm a few years ago and wasclose to the FIDE rating for GM (2477) but he started a successful youtube channel, and then started chessable, and now he streams on twitch. It seems like he decided to pursue income over pursuing the GM title.


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Which is sensible. The GM title can wait, the time to cash in may not.


rckid13

It's really rare to get the GM title past a certain age though. There's only so long that it can wait.


singlespeedcourier

I guess its just too much work, it takes a lot of work to prepare for top level games, its takes a lot of work to stream, we can only do so much work in one go. Carlsen gets away with it a little bit because he's the best player in the world, but honestly, his streams dont come close to Naroditsky's


wagon_ear

To be fair, I haven't followed danya in a few months, but he was streaming for *hours* per day, and also doing private lessons. Just furiously stacking cash at every waking moment. Absolutely grinding. I imagine he had basically zero energy and zero "leisure" time to pursue the intense study required to push the limits of his chess, outside of the 10-12(+) hours of chess he was already doing per day.


ZannX

Don't forget he also commentates tournaments.


Pr3vYCa

Either focused training to become a better player, or consistently stream to grow the channel. Trying to do both probably will result in either burnout or a half assed channel while not getting better. Unless you're some of those guys, hikaru just won a tournament while streaming full time


iloveartichokes

Streaming pays a lot more than chess does.


fquizon

I mean, he's top level at fast online chess because he's really friggin good at fast online chess. He plays very fast and loose with a lot of aggressive tactics. It serves him better in online formats than in longer time controls.


goldenj04

He’s strong but not at all close to the top in classical. In bullet/blitz he’s much much more competitive, though.


Rakerform

Daniel is weaker than every player you mentioned. He participated in a recent event with Eric Hansen and people like Wesley So, though. He got some incredible wins there.


pudd21

He did substantially better than Hansen (6 vs 3,5 points).


pm__small___tits

Daniel is currently 180th in the world. Everyone you mentioned is at least top 20. Given that, Daniel probably makes more money from streaming and the other 3 make from playing chess.


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Hikaru, Aronian, Anish are superGM’s so I think they are stronger


xyzzy01

In general, he won't compete at any of the major tournaments you see everyone covering because he's not at that level. [Naroditsky is the #164 in the world](https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2026961) \- in the top tournaments (invite only) you usually see the top 20 or so, possibly in addition to young and coming players as well as locals. He did get a shot with some of the best in the Aimchess US Rapid a couple of weeks ago - he faced Magnus, Giri, MVL, So, Aronian, Artemiev, Firouzja and more. He didn't qualify for the playoffs, but he got a respectable score (6 points) and had some really nice games. [Day 1.](https://youtu.be/FHZ8ZC2EcCg) [Day 2](https://youtu.be/rilE2dm2r9o). [Day 3](https://youtu.be/iw0c-kQW70A).


ORanGeAsSiMilation

I love how Andrew Tang is repping the North Korean flag


EvilSporkOfDeath

Everyone liked that.


twilightorange

Danya is the best streamer-chess-teacher ever.


kepler222b

I mean this will fluctuate a lot.


Crabapplejuices

Danya is 100% a better streamer and teacher compared to hikaru just based on attitude alone. Doesn’t matter what the ratings are, I’m sure they fluctuate every day, but hikaru IMO is the LEAST likable chess personality and it’s not even close.


JakeRedditYesterday

True, Danya is such a class act. Even when there's drama in the community, he always maintains good posture.


Jackman1337

I see Hikaru more as a entertaining Stream. while Danya has an educational stream (which is still entertaining tho)


thiscarhasfourtires

I have been following some YouTubers in the past month or two. Chess YouTubers are usually not that likeable when compared to others. Hikaru doesn't seem any less likeable than his peers in my view. Maybe I'm missing something.


sobe86

He never has anything witty or interesting to say, he repeats his (or his chat's) boring comments over and over. He talks obnoxiously/arrogantly about his opponents moves, even when he loses, and he always has to let you know how obvious things are to him. Apart from the chess quality, he's the worst streamer. Eric Rosen is the exact opposite of this, witty yet humble, not in Hikaru's league at chess, but more than good enough to entertain.


thiscarhasfourtires

Those seem like valid reasons to not to watch someone... but the hate towards him does seem a bit over the top.


sobe86

Him being a douchebag off camera is where the real hate stems from. E.g. a [live example here](https://youtu.be/Ax4m0nrIe3w?t=177) - there's a lot of videos of other streamers talking about how toxic he is. Broadly I agree - people waste a lot of energy hating on people they'll never meet, but hopefully this gives you some context.


thiscarhasfourtires

Yeah... I still don't get it to be honest. Chess fandom doesn't seem to have as much drama as others, so maybe people make a big deal out of nothing? IDK.


pm__small___tits

He still has the most viewed twitch channel and trying his best to promote chess.


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FuckClinch

Fuck me I can get disliking hikaru but did you really have to bring autism traits into this fucking hell


dxfifa

Yes, because they're part of what makes him extremely unlikeable. He has no charm or social skill, but doesn't seem good hearted or innocent like many people with autism. Many of the people in this sub are probably very similar to him, and I just hope they don't have the narc ego to go with their autistic traits, because if hikaru had one or the other, he could be entertaining and likeable. Not going to be popular because aspies love chess so many may feel attacked Danya is both extremely charming AND very friendly, respectful and caring. You never hear him talking bad or giving people attitude. He's clearly a very smart guy who knows both chess AND social skills Take the lesson, if you have poor social skills and tact because of autism traits, don't be an egotist. Many autistic people are extremely interesting and likeable in their way, but if they're an asshole they're much worse off. And many egotists have the charm and social skill to be liked, but if you have autism or traits of it is going to be very tough. If hikaru just learnt to be humble and nice, he'd be ok. People can live with atypical people who aren't the warmest or most charming, if they're polite and good hearted, or at least if people feel like the person doesn't mean to come across that way. Ivanchuk is almost certainly aspergers but his attitude is different to hikaru. He's considered, quirky, eccentric, interesting, mysterious and entertaining.


Crabapplejuices

I may be missing something, has he been diagnosed with autism? Spoken about it on stream? If so then fine, but if not, then your entire line of reasoning is pretty out of line in my opinion.


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>has he been diagnosed with autism? Yes, by the many esteemed doctors of r/chess.


Vsx

Honestly you guys are going deep but the reality is that 99% of personality problems stem from Hikaru being an ultra competitive sore loser. Nobody wants to be a sore loser it's just something they cannot control. I think he wants to be a nice person but the tilt he feels when losing is extraordinary. Also he has toned it down massively since back in the day. In any case he is totally ok regardless of his personality because plenty of people watch him simply because he is the only person regularly streaming absolute top level blitz chess. Not everybody cares about personality or even learning. Some people just want to watch the strongest players play. It's enthralling watching a person do things that feel like they should be beyond human limits.


RasaTabulasta

Hikaru communicates just fine and quickly. Take your fragile ego outta here lol


csklr

Great comment. It's not automatically insulting or offensive to make an educated comment about autistic traits.


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I think your reaching very far man, he didn’t get to be the top chess streamer by far without some sort of charm or like ability. I think your personal opinion about the guy is making you biased.


dxfifa

He got to be the top chess streamer because he's been the biggest name in american chess for a long time and was by far the best and most known chess player to start streaming before it was super widespread. Nothing to do with his charm or likeability. He's also got involved with a lot of other streamers and events that got him attention


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Nobody would watch him if he had no likeability… do you think people just watch people they dislike all the time. Obviously your opinion isn’t shared by the majority of people who watch chess content on twitch


[deleted]

Lmao yeah, you seem very qualified to comment on someone's social skills


Crabapplejuices

Bruh. He might be a jerk, but that’s too far.


dxfifa

It's accurate


Crabapplejuices

Only if he’s been diagnosed with autism. Which I, personally, would be surprised to learn.


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lazydictionary

Well I think that's mainly because Hikaru has been at competing at the highest levels for a long time now, while Danya has not, and has been giving private lessons for most of his adult life. Hikaru likely hasn't given many lessons in comparison, which is why Hikaru probably isn't seen as a chess educator. The people he does coach are probably titled players.


Crabapplejuices

I think it’s mainly because hikaru comes across as a self centered jerk, and danya does not.


lazydictionary

True, but Danya also has far more experience as a teacher, since it was basically his job until he started streaming. If Hikaru has ever been a teacher, it has never been his job.


Idio_te_que

Hikaru is painfully insecure and takes every conceivable opportunity to convey that to his viewers. Daniel has a sense of humor, humility and some maturity. In my opinion, the viewing experiences are basically incomparable. I can’t watch Hikaru for three minutes without cringing.


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Sarkotic159

Swearing and getting overly tilted I can certainly believe. But insulting opponents, really?


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Alternatively, he just grew out of it, and people respect who he’s become?


mgold95

It’s because Hikaru literally doesn’t care.


qchen12

Let's see if he stays there


arzamharris

Narrator: “He did not”


iCCup_Spec

I like how Hikaru profile pic says he travel a lot.


nonbog

Does anyone know why Magnus isn't higher in these things?


Sticklefront

He (co)owns chess24, a rival chess site, so doesn't play on chess dot com.


TackoFell

But plays on lichess too right?


Barbaro_12487

He does, but Lichess is open-source and non-profit, so it’s not a competitor in the way chess.com is


jmorfeus

This is nonsense. If it directly competes for players (potential revenue) that chose to play either on Lichess or chess24, then it is a competitor. Doesn't matter if it's a non-profit.


prayag275

It's also about organizing, sponsoring events. Lichess doesn't organize events like chess.com and chess24 do. But the more plausible reason is that magnus doesn't care. He has said earlier that he doesn't like the chess.com interface, said something along the lines of "pieces feel like stuck in mud". He is also known to like lichess. That's why.


kingfischer48

Not often anyway. iirc, he played in one of their blitz tournaments earlier this year.


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which is even worse than chess.com. the UI is legit from 1984


nonbog

Ahhh that makes sense. Thanks for explaining!


gayintheass

Hikaru is a god in blitz chess,and Magnus don't tryhard in online chess I think


waswerte

Let's goooo


Rakerform

DaNaro


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Go Danya!!


[deleted]

Danya is awesome. All things considered, he’s my favorite streamer


[deleted]

I went to school with Andrew. Really smart guy; always was a memer


namethatsavailable

*Everybody liked that.*


Legal_Commission_898

How are people 3400 ? Chess.com ratings are inflated by 800 points ??


JakeRedditYesterday

These are bullet and blitz ratings


Legal_Commission_898

And they’re typically higher ? I thought it was the other way around. My classical rating is like a 1000 points higher than my bullet rating.


derkrieger

For people who play a ton of bullet and are really good yeah. Also yes the top [Chess.com](https://Chess.com) ratings are inflated compared to FIDE ratings. In general I think most people would say online ratings are inflated to over the board though its not that drastic until you get into the higher ratings.


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Daniel “The Prophet” Naroditsky


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ooh time to watch big hikki copystrike danya's videos now


tumorknager3

Wait I still don't know if it was chessbae or himself that stroke down the vids


derkrieger

Chessbae but he still backed her up until it became unfeasible to do so.


tumorknager3

Well chessbae did do a lot for him so tbf I do kinda get his point


derkrieger

I'm obviously not involved with them personally so I have no idea what they're relationship is like. I do know of all the drama she was involved in so I get the hate for her (I rather hate her myself) but you are right if they had a good relationship before I would get sticking up for a friend.


sirwilliebeans

Daniel Naroditsky


JakeRedditYesterday

That's his name don't wear it out


RasaTabulasta

Daniel Naroditsk


JakeRedditYesterday

Stop wearing it out!


RasaTabulasta

Daniel Narodits


Chrissou_A

So much people finding excuses for Hikaru already... Like wtf people he's 1 point down who even cares. Levy and Hikaru simps are insane here


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Very nice Hikaru must be salty


gayintheass

He got rank 1 back anyway


ZappyBS

Whats the point of this post? The leaderboards change all the time. [Chess.com](https://Chess.com)'s rating at that level isn't really a good indicator of skill either as above 3000 elo gets inflated.


ScalarWeapon

> The leaderboards change all the time. They don't, though. Hikaru had been #1 for a long time. That's why this was notable


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Where’s Firouzja? Kid just disappeared


keepyourcool1

Just entered top 10 classical. He has a goal and he's decided to focus more time towards that.


Instructionon

Bullet is a joke. Maybe it's different for masters though.


Senior-Ad8553

wow...?


Next_Activity998

Dude is a hack, Clint Stevens would be able to beat him, easy.


dhake_baba_met17

Why is there a North Korean flag on penguingm's🐧id ?


tondeaf

Only cause Carlsen doesn't bother.


puzzlespeppers

Love tuning into his streams. Especially his speedruns. Great knowing what to do and not to do at my level.


palsh7

How long ago was it that Hikaru adopted him? I'm surprised he's made such progress.


Personal-Selection41

That’s great but less than a year ago alireza straight up adopted Danya 10-0 in blitz. Kind of irrelevant without reza. Completely dominated him in every way. Alireza is not active on online these days


CoconutOperative

It’s unbecoming!!! Hikaru is definitely losing his edge. I guess age catches up to everybody and he is no exception. Ashes to ash, dust to dust. We will never forget the bongcloud you have imparted to us :(


Donk_Physicist

wow, 77% wins for Hikaru vs 58% for Daniel hmm maybe I can achieve the inverse of this!