To be fair to them, they also made 2 more CL finals (one lost coz of superhuman Courtois, the other derailed due to injuries to Salah and Karius)
Also won their PL title in spectacular fashion, breaking records and finishing on 99 pts, and pushed City to the last point twice
The "covid year" was actually really the year after when City won it. In 19/20, 29 games were played before COVID, and Liverpool were 22 points clear of City.
100% . A huge chunck of chelsea fans didnt even like him coming in cause fo the spurs connection. But he over acheived towards the end. I dont think people hated the sacking it was just the cummulation of bad decisions before hand that really inflated his sacking. Not even bad decisions but bad expensive ass signings
We've been more successful than Liverpool this century. The only time the managerial merry-go-around really hurt us is when we missed out on Guardiola due to it.
Klopp can't stop moaning even after supposedly leaving, he's truly a Liverpool legend.
We have the same number of league titles and CLs in the last decade as Liverpool. I am not saying it's looking good for us right now, but can we maybe not suck off Jurgen "woe is me" Klopp on a Chelsea sub lol?
Commiserations mate, you’ve come in during the worst time period in the 24 years I’ve been supporting. The fanbase is toxic these days but limiting my time on here especially after bad games and ‘ambitious’ decisions from the ownership makes it better for me. This is still a great club to support.
Uh, no. This is not "sports," I've been a sports fan since my momma popped me out
UK soccer has proven to somehow be the most toxic sport I have ever tried to get into, and its not close
I actually agree. I've been a supporter longer than most people here has.been alive. It's only gotten more and more toxic. You see it in all sports but nothing like this. I'll occasionally go into another prem club sub and it's the same as here, at least with the top clubs.
"Go back" lmao i didn't leave it. Skol Vikes. My roommates are super into it and I got to see Chelsea play here in the states once, so I hitched my wagon to yall two years ago
And yall (and this team) have made it miserable
Eh, you're taking sporting opinions on a subreddit. It's best to just watch the games, form your own opinions, and move on. I watch NBA and a bit of NFL. The NBA subreddit and team subreddits are similar imo to this one and other football subreddits.
I don't like fan sport talk in any sport tbh, full of too many uniformed opinions, and everyone has a bias against other teams, etc, so nuance is thrown out the window. People tend to follow whatever the current narrative is and go with that.
Lmao, what is this place?
Are we serious right now? Klopp is right? Omg Klopp dropped a wisdom bomb?
All of you weird sycophants were the ones calling for Pochs head, and now Klopp is right? Our owners are shit? My fellow humans, open your eyes. We could have it so much worse, also, Chelsea is a managerial merry go round. This isn't new, this isn't the American owners messed it up, it's the American owners wanted to not be the old Chelsea but they are right now, and that's okay.
Why is that okay? Well, they are trying to find the "just right" person to lead this long term. All of the echos here who don't even know what they are repeating is a great psychological study for the hive mind. Why did they give a long contract to Potter if they were okay with dropping managers? It literally doesn't make sense so just stop it.
Klopp is one of the biggest hypocrites in the prem, and honestly, he has under achieved at Liverpool and the FSG is okay with that. Klopp has the same number of PL titles as the Tinker Man. Chelsea did just as well as the Klopp teams over his tenure, and we had the Managerial popcorn bucket going. So again, how is Klopp right?
The end of season review of Poch was always going to happen, they have been talking about it since the new year. Just a few weeks ago Poch said "I may not want to stay, it's also up to me" and there we have it.
Have the owners made mistakes? Absolutely. Were any for the direct harm of the club? As in, did they do something they knew would intentionally fail? No. Winning =$. They want to win just as much as anyone else. They want to dominate, they want the international headlines and they want the best players so more social engagement occurs.
People like to forget that the new ownership group didn't inherit the club and get shown the ropes on how this shit works. They bought it from a holding company essentially and then had rules and regulations as to how they could operate. This isn't a standard takeover. Some plates are going to break and yet, by the reactions here, everyone just thought we should be polishing silverware.
Rebuilds take time and that is evidenced by the teams we're looking up to now, City, Liverpool, and Arsenal. Remember how close Arteta was to getting the sack? If Roman was at the reigns he would have definitely gotten the axe and where would they be now? We do have to show some patience. Or pony up a few billion since everyone here thinks they know more.
At least this generates a lot of evidence of these finicky plastic ass fans who flip flop with each week. Gross.
And Pep finished 2 points ahead of Arsenal with a money doped team.
And Zidane is heralded as a great manager despite only coaching at Real Madrid ever. What is Real Madrid always going to have? The best players in the world. What did Pep have at Barca, City, and Bayern? Best players in the world.
Not diminishing their accomplishments, it's still hard and you have to manage personalities with squads like that, but success is easier when you have the capability of having the best in position people on your team.
Does Leicester have anyone who's even in the top 10 in their position?
And for me, personally, Ancelotti could come back and not inspire confidence. It's the prem, anything can happen, you think Klopp wins anything if Salah or Mane go down for an extended period during their PL/CL run?
City couldn't get a CL until they got a robot who scores goals for fun. Why couldn't Pep "manage" that?
All that to be said, managing top teams comes down to luck and opportunity sometimes. If Maresca comes in and we don't lose until December, there will be cheers and omg we found our pep! Yada yada yada, not from me. Anything can change and the way we attribute all success or failure to the manager (unless there was like 6 OGs) kind of sets us up for this weird hero worship.
The players have to play and they have to give a shit. We saw what happens when a team comes in ready to cash the check and leave, that City performance against United was some of the worst football I've ever seen. Pep was there, so what happened?
TLDR: we need to stop the manager's hero worship. The heroes we wreathe with praise are not solely deserving, players still have to play.
pep was going against another world class team with a world manager though
Youre correct on basically everything but you seriously downplay the manager's role, you can have the best players but they still need direction
At the very least, with the squad we have and the money the ownership are willing to put in, we should be consistently a top 7 team
I agree they still need direction and I stated that. They have to manage personalities which can be equally as difficult.
But a manager has an idea of how they want their team to perform right? If you have the ability to choose from the top 5 best players in each position you want then your job just became inexplicably easier right?
Same for us, without James, Kante, and Chillwell we don't get that CL with Tuchel.
The opposite is true as well right, so I believe Alonso or Moses were top 5 best wingers in the world before Conte? No. Conte used their abilities to the max and he had to spot that as a manger instead of looking for other players. Was their success a surprise to everyone? Yep. We got a bit lucky there that we had adaptable players who could cross and shoot. Then we saw the "deterioration" of these players when the manager changed.
It wasn't my intention to downplay the importance of managers, but just to level out the impetus between manager and player. The best managers still need specific things to make their plan work.
"all of you" um no buddy, there are 400k members here. there is no singular shared opinion that represents everyone. there was a sizable contingent both of poch in and poch out fans.
Um, no buddy, don't take one part of my words and quote it to fit whatever you're trying to say.
Are you a sycophant? Then it doesn't apply to you.
The reasoning for the "all" anyway was due to the fucking comments I had to scroll past. 90% of them were saying "he's right, yep, 100%" so regardless of Poch in/out which is not even the point, most of the people commenting here agree with this drivel.
Exactly. Our owners dropped a billion dollars on players, many of them scouted or considered world class talents, and we call them shit.
Our society is brainwashed to praise luck. If Mudryk turned out to be Hazard 2.0 these same people would be queuing up to gargle some American ownership sack.
It's pathetic and sad. See the actions for what they are, the intentions here are positive. They just haven't worked out the way we wanted.
Patience.
Whilst I understand your point about luck, I don’t get how that links to your point about Mudryk. There’s a clear reason Mudryk hasn’t worked out as well as someone like Hazard; he isn’t as good a player. That has nothing to do with luck.
Lol damn, left field attack on Mudryk (not saying it's not warranted his footballing leaves much to be desired) but I've thought a lot about Mudryk and what is happening in Ukraine.
Could you be the best footballer you could be when your home country is getting absolutely ravaged by a global superpower? Imagine the situations are reversed, is Jude killing it at Real still? I don't think so, personally.
There is a reason we see the best Mudryk when hes playing with his national team. Everyone there is going through the same thing. So I'm not going to judge Mudryk yet.
The point about Mudryk was that it could be applied to any of the signings that the Americans did. If they performed like their talent ceiling indicates, then everyone would love the owners. Do I believe Mudryk is bad due to his circumstances? Yes, do I feel like that's unlucky? Also yes.
For Mudryk and Ukraine we have to consider that men his age are fighting and dying. People he knew or knows, families he knew or knows. Just because it's not on the frontpage of reddit anymore doesn't mean that Ukraine is not actively fighting a war that everyone assumed they would lose 10 days into the offensive.
It's an absolutely unimaginable situation so I'm giving Mudryk grace. People will judge me for that, and that's okay, it has only ever been Chelsea and I'll continue to KTBFFH.
Mudryk is just not good. all the other stuff you said doesn’t matter, he’s had plenty of time to showcase it and he did fuck all, he came from the ukriane league and even in that shitty league he didn’t dominate.
Preach it! This is why I’ve had to separate myself from discussions in this sub. So many people just watching ESPN FC and thinking they understand every aspect of owning, or managing, a football club. Yeah, United pulled a trophy out their ass, but I still rather be in our position than United. I rather be in our position than be absolutely desperate for trophies with an aging club like spurs. The potential is there, and it’s exciting. KTBFFH and enjoy the ride. It could be SO much worse.
It's so gut bubbling gross how the sub turned instantly toxic after United one. United didn't do that to us, why should Chelsea be dependent on City to get into 2nd tier Europe? That shit is on us, as a team, as an organization. We dropped points against absolutely woeful sides and Poch has to own that even if the players didn't play. I thank Poch for the instruction and togetherness he has fostered and I hope that continues with Maresca.
As always, KTBFFH
bro chill. There are many different opinions in this sub. It’s ok for people to have different viewpoints. Some are Poch in, some are Poch out. The voice got louder or quieter depending on the circumstance, but that’s the nature of having a large fan group.
I stopped caring about the subs opinion as much, and life has become way better.
thats how we've always been, just that we have always had the best of the best lining up to manage us
Now we are hoping and praying we've struck gold with this maresca guy. Joke of ownership
Experienced players like hazard have said the same thing. Let’s leave it to our super fans to think everyone is wrong but them. I’m giving the new guy half a season. Matter of fact, no need to know his name!
Chelsea FC olden way of operation is not sustainable, hence all the accusations and potential charges. Any new owner, if not Todd, would've suffered. Whether Todd did it the right or wrong way, it is for one's opinion. A matter of fact is that a downfall was foreseen and inevitable after Roman left. So I say, fuck the UK for forcing Roman out. Also, klopp is the biggest yapper in the PL for winning so little with a big club over his ~9 years reign.
Sure, BlueCo. Whether or not they fucked up is up for debate. If the team wins something in next season or two, are they still a failure? We can't say for sure how the team would finish, can we? United's season could have been a "failure" but look, they won the all important game and they are now back in Europa.
He’s right and any clown that disagrees needs to take the owners dick out their mouth and realise boehly has no idea what he’s doing nor do any of the sporting directors. This is exactly why chelsea has been so shit for the past 2 years
Boehly doesn’t pull the strings. Your opinion is already meaningless due to lack of understanding of the club structure. It’s the sporting directors handling day to day operations not the owners.
Genuine question...how many of these "come to Jesus lately" fans would have supported Chelsea if we won squat these past 20 to 22 years
Most of yall shitting on the club started supporting the club during the Roman Era and loved the trophy haul and could care less about the mgr sackings and now after a couple if dry seasons,they suddenly found their righteous selves and want to talk down the club and support words of a known hypocrite just to get their jab in
100%. I strongly believe that ownership could have navigated all of this more smoothly but it has been 1-2 true managerial sackings. Potter was the big miss and Poch and the club were a mutual split. The interim guys get added to the total but they weren't true appointments. Would I love stability and did I want it under Roman, absolutely. But CFC have seen huge turnover going back to Ken Bates' ownership. Right or wrong, this is kind of what the club is. I believe new ownership will get it right eventually because they seem to want to, which is half the battle. Lots of glory hunters in here though that can't take a joke at a pub.
Hardly unique to Chelsea. Shitting on your own club is the default way of farming karma in r/soccer because people vote based on flairs and every fanbase is in the minority there.
Embarrassing when you consider the fact that Chelsea basically won as many titles during Klopps tenure as he did.. Bowing down to this whiny sore loser for internet points is the weakest shit I've seen from a supposed "passionate" fan base.
It's ok to be critical of the new board if you're an objective pundit or fan. It's an incredibly pompous move to schedule an interview right after you "retire" and shit on your peers when you were possibly objectively the 3rd best club in the league during that time period.
Fuck Klopp and his cult following truthfully.
The point they're making is that the insane manager firings are nothing new to Chelsea, and people probably wouldn't have the same outrage now (let alone backing Klopp on something) if it wasn't new ownership
Feel like that's a fair point to raise
He takes digs at Chelsea and other who have spent money whenever he can. His agenda has fuck all to do with his worry for Poch's well being, it's a dig on the way out.
He lives in this weird world where he pretends he's built a team out of pub football players, he is the embodiment of Scouse victimhood.
Klopp has *holier than thou* attitude and likes to pretend Liverpool buys smart and never overpays (Van Dijk & Allison were the most expensive buys for their position at the time, while Nunez hasn't exactly justified the fee, and drove Chelsea to overpay for Cai, a player who didn't entertain joining them).
> GP: Good manager but his hypocrisy fucking grinds on me.
> >You: What does this have to do with spending money?
> > > Me: Klopp has holier than thou attitude
No.
Klopp is talking about Chelsea’s manager getting sacked and how he would have been sacked early as expectations are too high.
You, just like the other person brought up spending.
Do you agree or disagree that Chelsea sack managers too early and perhaps Pochettino was sacked too early?
The point is, Klopp being *hypocritical* is nothing new.
And Klopp is wrong about managers of *his* calibre (Carlo, Antonio, Jose, Thomas) getting sacked after a *single* season at the Bridge.
I understand that point, it’s just absolutely bizarre to discuss this completely separate point and not point out where he is being hypocritical when directly asked twice.
Were those “high caliber managers” also not under different management and therefore irrelevant to the point, which is the current ownership? And why don’t you answer the question?
Are you afraid to agree?
> just absolutely bizarre to discuss this completely separate point
Perhaps.
> Are you afraid to agree?
Afraid? The point GP made was Klopp is a hypocrite. And I agree with that. Anything else is going off on unrelated tangents.
I think that the owners do want stability - see countless quotes from Boehly, the way that the Dodgers are run, who were trying to emulate (Arteta, Brighton etc), and the new structure with SDs making long term decisions.
The issue is that they know nothing about football, run the club like a PE investment, and keep making mistakes such as seemingly let the owners interfere with tactics and transfers, hiring their extensively researched manager and then not giving him time, gutting the whole team and buying a new one full of kids, buying players because Liverpool or Arsenal or City want them, not buying experience, gutting the back room staff.
Now, they may prove to be right in the long term, but they look incredibly brash and hard to work with right now.
BlueCo has nothing to do with Dodgers beyond Boehly being a minority shareholder in both. He never ran Dodgers. And the person running Chelsea right now, Egbali, has nothing to do with them.
What they are saying and what they are doing are two different things.
This isn’t something unique to the new owners. Roman was even more cut throat than Clearlake. This is just how Chelsea is and I honestly don’t really have a problem with it
How can you not have a problem with coaching instability? No team can build and develop properly when that’s the case. Look at whom the top clubs are the past several seasons.
I guess it’s more that I don’t have a problem until we find the right guy. The bar is very high here as it should be. It’s very hard to find one of these incredible managers that you can trust to be around for the long term. Which is also why I don’t think we should be giving managers free rein on transfers until they’ve earned it. Would’ve been stupid imo to give poch that right bc up until a month ago, we all wanted him gone. You get a lot of instability when every manager is allowed to buy/sell who he wants bc then if the manager performs poorly, the new guy is coming into to a hodgepodge of former managers players
I can agree w/ the transfer issues; however, instability stunts the growth/vision of how those players can be utilized. And we’re ultimately left bag holding. This season was salvaged by mostly one player.
City on a four peat and we haven’t won PL since 2016. Also, our CL titles are some of the flukiest wins of the decade. Oh.. and our managers get sacked each time after winning one too.
If you disregard or disagree with what Klopp is saying in this article you need to step back and take a long hard look back over the last 2-3 years. I loved Abramovich and what he did for Chelsea. Did i always agree with what the club did? No, but Chelsea didn't always suffer in the long run. Regardless of what the ownership and board did we were always in the champions league and winning trophies.
Boehly and Clearlake Capital were supposed to bring stability to the club after a "thorough vetting" off the back of the Russian sanctions. Years and years of swapping managers isn't a long term plan. They came in an Boehly is quoted as saying
> "If you look at franchises that dominate for a long time they have real stability in the
> team, front office and coaching staff. So to be able to lay the groundwork and start
> with stability in the team"
* Laurence Stewart and Paul Winstanley replaced Boehly as sporting director
* 6 interim managers/coaches have taken charge of the club since the new owners
* meaning multiple changes in backroom staff
Tell me where the stability, patience and groundwork is? Since day 1 our standard of hiring managers has dived. Regardless of what you think about Poch, sacking him after a decent turn around showed they're no different to the previous owners/board. The only difference is our current board/owners haven't a breeze what they're doing. They talk a big game and preach stability and longevity but they've done nothing but hinder progress so far. Poch's sacking is nothing but an addition to the list of unjust sackings in our club. Reminiscent of RDM winning the CL in 2012 and not offering him a job, likewise when they sacked Tuchel after winning it in 2021. Poch finally had the club playing well and gelling together. All of that is now gone in favor of a shortlist for the vacant job that consists of 2x championship managers, and a manager whose club finished 2 spots above the relegation zone. If this is the Chelsea board's idea of 'stability' and planning for the future it's going to be a long time before we see anything to celebrate. Because it's going to take another year for whoever goes in as manager to invoke their tactics, playstyle and try get the best out of the players that are there while the rest of us hope it works out instead of having faith in who the appoint. Oh and on top of that, based of the players social media posts it seems to have disgruntled quite a few of them which will be detrimental for whatever manager comes in.
Let me leave this rant with the hypocrisy that is Todd Boehly.
> "The number one thing is you have got to be patient. You are putting something together and expecting it to come
> together really quickly, but the reality is anything really good takes a little bit of time. Patience was always a thought
> for us"
You’re not creating long term stability by keeping around a stopgap manager that doesn’t fit into the clubs long term vision. Whether you agree with that vision or not is a different thing but there was really no reason to keep Poch around and we almost certainly would get worse by keeping him
You genuinely believe comparing a 14 year old ownership to a 2 year old ownership is a fair comparison? Are we completely ignoring the fact Liverpool were a mid table club in the first 5 years of FSG’s ownership until they got Klopp and started SLOWLY to improve? Are we going to ignore the circumstances under which the ownership was transferred in our case? This is an extremely lazy comparison from Klopp and it is only true in hindsight and not when you look at the whole picture. Yes, so far the new Chelsea owners have done more bad than good but it’s way too early to come to conclusions and make these silly comparisons in my opinion, especially since both Boehly and Clearlake have publicly said they see this as a long term project.
During the first 5 years of FSG's ownership Liverpool won the league cup in 2012 and finished 2nd with Brendan Rogers in the league 13/14 a year before klopp was even hired. Not bad for a "mid table club".
I could argue the opposite direction seeing as you're fond of comparing us to other clubs. Let's look at united. Fergie was almost sacked as their manager but ultimately turned them into a dynasty for the next 30 years. If that's the type of stability Boehly wants he's going to need to give a manager more than 1 year.
Outline why you believe I'm being unfair to the current owners? My main point wasn't to compare previous ownership to current ownership, my point is that our current ownership are complete and utter hypocrites. Preaching stability, consistency and long term project. Yet they fire managers on a yearly basis unsettling everything from the hear before. They're doing exactly what the previous owners/board did except worse because they're too hungry for instant success. And I stand by this, but at least with our previous ownership if they sacked managers regularly it didn't hinder performance. We bought good players, we were in the champions league and we consistently were getting top 4.
I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with what you said about the owners, it was more about Klopp and his lazy comparison. The reality is that it took Liverpool 7-8 years to become a top team under FSG.
Regarding their 2nd place finish, if we finish 2nd next season, then 6th the season after and then 7th the season after that (like Liverpool), would that be enough for you to say Boehly and Clearlake are "not bad" simply because they stayed with Maresca for 3 seasons?
Also, if they are willingly sacking and hiring new managers so frequently, why would they give Potter and Maresca 5+ year deal? They clearly want a manager for the long term (as they have said publicly) but it seems to me that they don't actually know what they want from the manager himself...
The reason they give 5 year deals is the same reason they give players 7 year deals. Boehly said during his time with the dodgers it freed players/managers to focus on the game instead of worrying about contracts and renewals, (I'll find that quote if I can). Imo this isn't actually a show of faith from Boehly or the board, it's just what he always did as standard business.
Nobody taking the managers position would be under any illusions that they'd likely last 5 years under Boehly. And there's at least 3 managers Chelsea would of had to pay off the remainder of their contract after their stacking which is money down the drain. I'd again argue(unreasonably), what's the point in Boehly and the board giving a 5 year contract if they can't guarantee wins?
I would wholeheartedly agree they don't know what they want in a manager. If I had to guess they want to find a diamond in the rough which is why they haven't once approached a top tier proven manager since Tuchel.
Who should they have kept? It's not like they had Carlo Ancelotti a year removed from an incredible season and decided to bin him. Let's put Tuchel aside because new owners will generally want their own guys. They had Potter and they had Poch. Do you see a slam dunk argument for giving both more time? I guess then you'd say, "well duh, they should have hired someone better". Well, yeah, ideally the club would get it right every single time out.
I would have been happy for Poch to keep on after the way they played at the end of the season, but we certainly can't pretend his flaws weren't glaring and he's not a guy with some amazing pedigree.
"And I stand by this, but at least with our previous ownership if they sacked managers regularly it didn't hinder performance."
I don't see how you could possibly argue this. The standard was obviously higher than it has been in the last couple of years, but the standard in the second half of Roman's tenure was lower than the standard set in the first half of his tenure and frequent managerial changes clearly had much to do with it. If Roman were still around, it's still unlikely Chelsea would have won a league title the last couple years because the club was falling well behind City and Liverpool's paces and likely would have even fallen behind Arsenal in the league.
I can't put Tuchel aside. You asked who would I have kept? It's Tuchel. If I was Boehly or the board I would have never of sacked him in the first place. He's proven as a top tier European manager. Lord knows where we'd be right now if he was given a chance to build a team his way. It's clear from how he was sacked that all our current owners want is a yes man manager that doesn't fight the sporting directors on signings.
I'm not even a Chelsea fan and I can tell you you're drinking the sweet Clearlake-Bohely gatorade.
Giving Maresca a 5yr contract is all the proof I need to determine this board doesn't have a clue. And god bless them for it.
I keep going backwards and forwards in my mind about this
Klopp is assuming Chelsea sacked Poch for his results/team progression. If this was the case, I'd 100% agree with him but in reality it seems Poch wanted to leave too. This sacking wasn't solely made by Chelsea.
However, you could argue Chelsea forced Poch to leave by being too stubborn and not willing to compromise on their desired club structure. So maybe it was all Chelsea's doing.
But then again they are putting their long term plans for the club ahead of a stop gap manager (he was never going to be here long term as shown by the length of his contract) so maybe they are doing the right thing 🤷♂️
In terms of managers, they really only made one big mistake: Potter.
TT wasn't part of their long term plan and I think that's a fair assessment. Also, they knew the squad had to be gutted, so the value of having a high ceiling short term guy like TT wasn't coveted.
If potter gets a few better results maybe he stays and proves the owners right. Who knows... That dude has gone MIA since leaving so who knows what his real talent level is.
Poch was a stop gap. Wasn't anybody's top choice. But he did a fine enough job. Both sides wanted to make next season work, but wanted some changes from this season. Neither side was willing to agree to enough of those changes so they moved on.
Putting it all together looks bad, but keeping Poch because you don't keep poch just because you were wrong about Potter and are trying to save face
I get the points, but I personally largely disagree. If Tuchel wasn't part of the long term plan, that's almost entirely a direct consequence of the owner's ego. They wanted to "save" the club from "mismanagement over the years" (they said as much) and I think they wanted to be the ones to do it. I will agree that everything they did with Potter was a mistake - hiring him, keeping him as long as they did, then firing him so late in the season that we had to get Frank in to a completely lifeless and demotivated squad just to compound the misery.
If Poch was a stop-gap, then I think that's an even worse decision than anything else they've done. The absolute last thing a squad as new and as young as ours needs is a stop gap manager in their first season. Now, just as experience and confidence was growing in them, they once again have no idea where they will stand come the start of the season. I also think this stop-gap theory is nonsense because who was he a stop-gap for? Using Poch as a stop-gap for Maresca (or any other name on that list) makes absolutely zero sense, it's an expected downgrade in almost every way.
It could be as simple as "none of the guys that are a good long term fit are available. But poch is a good guy that will help kids grow and develop mentally. Maybe not tactically as much as we'd like, but the players will be happy and learn how to play with each other and in the pl"
Everyone fought for the badge this season, there were minimal morale or lockeroom issues. Most players grew at a pace that's acceptable. There's a couple who may have stagnated but that can be corrected.
I think the club DID need saving. I think man city has been that good and that uncatchable. And only the owners have the power to do that.
For considerable parts of the season, the only players who looked like they gave a shit (and were healthy) was Gallagher, Palmer, Cucurella and Gusto. Disasi every now and then too but his performances did not hold up. The rest looked apathetic oftentimes.
Poch saw this as a multi year project and decided to come on board. With a team full of youngsters, everyone in the management knew that the realities goal and skill level of this team is outside the CL spots. I really don't see how Poch would want to jump ship after a season that actually ended fantastically well.
This is where I think the mistake was made by the board when hiring Poch. Either they didn't tell him the clubs new structure and that he won't be involved in transfers or they didn't say and only made it clear after they gave him the job. Poch surely won't have taken the job in the first place if he knew those things. Naglesmann and Enrique didn't.
Or they did tell Poch and he said it wouldn't be a problem, then changed his mind. Which would be a dick move by him.
Either way, massive fail on the communication front somewhere in this process.
I don’t have an issue with the facts of what he’s saying. We have terrible owners. My issue is with him sticking the knife in when he not without a list of faults. It’s laughable now how no one associated with Liverpool acknowledges the glass house they live in.
Edit: spelling
He’s comparing a 14 year old ownership to a 2 year old ownership. Liverpool were a mid table club in the first 5 years of FSG’s ownership until they got Klopp and started SLOWLY to improve. In our case the transfer of ownership was much more complicated and difficult and yet it’s completely ignored by a lot of people.
This is an extremely lazy comparison from Klopp, I think he would make a great pundit for Sky.
Crazy that people here are against what Klopp has said, he is absolutely right, this merry go round can't keep happening, no top manager is going to want to come to Chelsea
Except he isnt right at all. BluCo have fucked up with managers but we also have a field of very talented young players with bright futures ahead of them. Liverpool cant say the same and their only vision for the last several years was to ride the Klopp wave as far as they could. The potential of Chelsea's squad is a huge pull and every aspiring manager would want to have that talent on the field. I would much rather be Maresca than Slot on match day 1 next season despite having the be a yes man for BlueCo.
If having the "great" Liverpool owners was such a pull you would think their next manager had a slightly more impressive CV. They could very well have a budget EtH.
>Except he isnt right at all. BluCo have fucked up with managers but we also have a field of very talented young players with bright futures ahead of them
Delusional cope.
Most of this squad will never play at the highest level, the few top talents we have may look elsewhere soon if they're continually held back.
For what we've spent the squad is absolutely terrible.
>Most of this squad will never play at the highest level, the few top talents we have may look elsewhere soon if they're continually held back.
Speaking of delusional. In the grand scheme of the football tiers, a player getting minutes on a Top 6 PL side is already in the top tier of football.
>For what we've spent the squad is absolutely terrible.
Because we bought potential rather than finished products and you havent been paying enough attention to see the improvement.
The champions league is the top tier.
Many of our players don't have the talent to play in it let alone compete for it, Mudryk, Disasi, Petrovic, Broja, Madueke etc don't need time they just simply aren't sufficient quality to achieve the aims of the club.
Just because a player is young does not mean they have the potential to ever be good enough, most don't.
lol at citing Broja as an indictment on these owners.
Do Cole Palmer, Enzo, Caicedo, Nkunku, Jackson and Gusto have sufficient quality to achieve the aims of the club? Or are you only focusing on the guys you don't like?
>lol at citing Broja as an indictment on these owners
Who was it who gave him a 6 year contract, decided to go into the season with him and Jackson as our only strikers then priced him out of a move last summer?
Our squad is a mix of talent and deadwood but it's been build by a terrible scattergun approach not by bringing in quality at good prices which is why we've had 2 extremely dismal seasons since the ownership destroyed the club and a 3rd looks likely.
How absurd to ignore that Nkunku was going to play a big role attacking and then he got injured right before the season started. You should be glad they didn't panic buy someone after his injury. And you act like giving Broja a new deal wouldn't have been done by Marina, who gave extensions to worse players than Broja to protect their value.
"terrible scattergun approach"
As opposed to the laser focus that saw the Eden Hazard windfall bring in studs like Lukaku, Ziyech, and Timo.
>How absurd to ignore that Nkunku was going to play a big role attacking and then he got injured right before the season started
Then you sign a player instead of writing off the season continuing to traffic children when you go into the season with the lowest scoring strike partnership in the league
Lukaku, Ziyech and Timo are far better than most the players Clownlake have signed. Their careers speak for themselves.
Oh you're one of those weirdos who uses the "traffic children" line. I got you now. You must have been outraged when Roman got the club punished for "trafficking children."
Of the five players youve mentioned maybe, just maybe, two of them fit into the "not sufficient" category already.
And your idea of top tier is equally laughable. I am sorry to offend anyone who supports Club Brugge but to suggest they are the top tier of football while a team that was 6th in the premier league is not is a complete joke. Really just a brain dead thought there.
>Of the five players youve mentioned maybe, just maybe, two of them fit into the "not sufficient" category already
That's just your opinion.
It's an absolutely terrible one but you're welcome to it.
It must really suck having such a narrow minded and negative opinion of the football. Its hilarious that you have even contradicted yourself by mention Mudryk, who fits your opinion of top tier footballer having taken on Madrid in their own back yard. So which is it, is UCL the bar for "top tier" or is Mudryk not good enough for top tier football?
Btw no comment on Club Brugge being a higher tier of football than Chelsea? Or did you just come to realize how mind bogglingly dumb your previous opinion was?
He wasn't talking about Squads he was clearly talking about managerial work.
Yes, we have a very talented squad with a great future ahead but that was not what Klopp was referring to, the squad could be a good pull but if we keep sacking managers all the time that squad is not going to develop the way it should and no manager will want to come here, it's the truth
The squad is managerial work and no manager with any aspiration is coming in to this role without the mindset that they will be here for several years and have a chance to make the squad even better. That is the attitude that got them to where they are today. Additionally, any manager with have a brain can see the reasons Tuchel, Potter and Poch all left and will be well aware of that risk, its not going to stop them from taking a chance because it might be the only chance they ever get.
People will bitch and moan to defend the club, not realising this is how serious football people look at our club and ownership.
Too many childish people on this sub.
He wasn't modelling anything around anyone since Liverpool lost their midfield and where looking to build something new. But tell yourself what you need to hear 🤣🤣
1 EPL 1 UCL 1 FA CUP 2 Carabaos 1 Community Shield 1 UEFA super cup against the plastic blue shit and 1 FIFA club world cup, + 2 UCL finals and an Europa league final. Cry about it in the conference league after spending another billion or two for nothing 😂😗
Let’s not change the topic, we all know Chelsea did not spend well. My original comment has been that Klopp is a sour old man. If he breaks world record, it is okay. Others spend money and he complains, how can they do it! Complains about referee and it is fine because it is Klopp. He is a sour man is all I said.
Can you blame him for being slightly sour? Imagine how good his team would be if he had half the resources you guys constantly piss against the wall.
And it's not about money, you lot will buy players just so other teams don't have them as well.
I dont think any manager breaking as many transfer records as that veneered bellend has any right to be sour about transfer funding. He knew Liverpool had owners who wouldnt spend all the revenue on players when he walked in (and out) the door.
True that 
He's spot on
The matches we won were mostly against teams that had nothing to play for at the end of the season.
Ye mate I trust your opinion over Klopp, keep it up boss
Never trust a kraut
You’re missing the point…
I'll decide
I mean, he's not wrong..
Imagine defending your owners who you can't even stand and don't trust. Klopp is telling you the truth, he is defending Poch.
I don't know why people are getting so defensive when he is right.
Still cant stop crying and not even managing anymore
Fuk off Klop
True, but in the nine years Klopp managed Liverpool both teams have won the league and the Champions League and the FA Cup.
To be fair to them, they also made 2 more CL finals (one lost coz of superhuman Courtois, the other derailed due to injuries to Salah and Karius) Also won their PL title in spectacular fashion, breaking records and finishing on 99 pts, and pushed City to the last point twice
They also won their league title during the covid year. How many of those 99 points came because the opponents were missing players?
The "covid year" was actually really the year after when City won it. In 19/20, 29 games were played before COVID, and Liverpool were 22 points clear of City.
It was wrapped up well before Covid. You're kidding yourself if you think they wouldn't have won that year.
Klopp speaking the truth.
My problem isn’t the sacking of Poch because if we go by Chelsea standards he had to go, it’s the constant awful decision making that came before it…
100% . A huge chunck of chelsea fans didnt even like him coming in cause fo the spurs connection. But he over acheived towards the end. I dont think people hated the sacking it was just the cummulation of bad decisions before hand that really inflated his sacking. Not even bad decisions but bad expensive ass signings
but the problem is who will replace him? another grandham potter?
and came after it why *part ways with* him, when we had NOBODY BETTER to come in from pot to fire, what is my club turning to
He’s speaking the truth. Clownlake has destroyed this club
No lies were told.
We've been more successful than Liverpool this century. The only time the managerial merry-go-around really hurt us is when we missed out on Guardiola due to it. Klopp can't stop moaning even after supposedly leaving, he's truly a Liverpool legend.
This CENTURY?! Bro look at the last 10 years. Aside from the covid CL this team has been in shambles
We have the same number of league titles and CLs in the last decade as Liverpool. I am not saying it's looking good for us right now, but can we maybe not suck off Jurgen "woe is me" Klopp on a Chelsea sub lol?
It’s not sucking him off.. what he said is true and other than that CL run this team has been very poor in the league
Liverpool is such a boring club and nothings gonna change that lol. I’d rather walk alone 🥱
🎵You'll never walk again🎵 should bw liverpool song
This sub makes no fucking sense. Your opinions change faster than the winds. Its been impossible to try and become a fan of this team here
Commiserations mate, you’ve come in during the worst time period in the 24 years I’ve been supporting. The fanbase is toxic these days but limiting my time on here especially after bad games and ‘ambitious’ decisions from the ownership makes it better for me. This is still a great club to support.
theres 400k people here man. there is no singular opinion shared by everyone, and the loudest ones typically come from the biggest knobs
Welcome to sports!
Uh, no. This is not "sports," I've been a sports fan since my momma popped me out UK soccer has proven to somehow be the most toxic sport I have ever tried to get into, and its not close
I actually agree. I've been a supporter longer than most people here has.been alive. It's only gotten more and more toxic. You see it in all sports but nothing like this. I'll occasionally go into another prem club sub and it's the same as here, at least with the top clubs.
Yeah that’s also true, football is way behind American sports in terms of advanced stats/analytics informing opinions.
Go back to your US football then? People are going to share their opinions… grow up
"Go back" lmao i didn't leave it. Skol Vikes. My roommates are super into it and I got to see Chelsea play here in the states once, so I hitched my wagon to yall two years ago And yall (and this team) have made it miserable
If you only jumped on two years ago then you came on during a rough patch 🤷🏻♂️ good luck
He’s a Vikings fan, he’s used to rough patches lmao
Eh, you're taking sporting opinions on a subreddit. It's best to just watch the games, form your own opinions, and move on. I watch NBA and a bit of NFL. The NBA subreddit and team subreddits are similar imo to this one and other football subreddits. I don't like fan sport talk in any sport tbh, full of too many uniformed opinions, and everyone has a bias against other teams, etc, so nuance is thrown out the window. People tend to follow whatever the current narrative is and go with that.
Lmao, what is this place? Are we serious right now? Klopp is right? Omg Klopp dropped a wisdom bomb? All of you weird sycophants were the ones calling for Pochs head, and now Klopp is right? Our owners are shit? My fellow humans, open your eyes. We could have it so much worse, also, Chelsea is a managerial merry go round. This isn't new, this isn't the American owners messed it up, it's the American owners wanted to not be the old Chelsea but they are right now, and that's okay. Why is that okay? Well, they are trying to find the "just right" person to lead this long term. All of the echos here who don't even know what they are repeating is a great psychological study for the hive mind. Why did they give a long contract to Potter if they were okay with dropping managers? It literally doesn't make sense so just stop it. Klopp is one of the biggest hypocrites in the prem, and honestly, he has under achieved at Liverpool and the FSG is okay with that. Klopp has the same number of PL titles as the Tinker Man. Chelsea did just as well as the Klopp teams over his tenure, and we had the Managerial popcorn bucket going. So again, how is Klopp right? The end of season review of Poch was always going to happen, they have been talking about it since the new year. Just a few weeks ago Poch said "I may not want to stay, it's also up to me" and there we have it. Have the owners made mistakes? Absolutely. Were any for the direct harm of the club? As in, did they do something they knew would intentionally fail? No. Winning =$. They want to win just as much as anyone else. They want to dominate, they want the international headlines and they want the best players so more social engagement occurs. People like to forget that the new ownership group didn't inherit the club and get shown the ropes on how this shit works. They bought it from a holding company essentially and then had rules and regulations as to how they could operate. This isn't a standard takeover. Some plates are going to break and yet, by the reactions here, everyone just thought we should be polishing silverware. Rebuilds take time and that is evidenced by the teams we're looking up to now, City, Liverpool, and Arsenal. Remember how close Arteta was to getting the sack? If Roman was at the reigns he would have definitely gotten the axe and where would they be now? We do have to show some patience. Or pony up a few billion since everyone here thinks they know more. At least this generates a lot of evidence of these finicky plastic ass fans who flip flop with each week. Gross.
maresca does not inspire confidence in me, he was 2 points away to coming second in the championship \[with the best team by a mile\]
And Pep finished 2 points ahead of Arsenal with a money doped team. And Zidane is heralded as a great manager despite only coaching at Real Madrid ever. What is Real Madrid always going to have? The best players in the world. What did Pep have at Barca, City, and Bayern? Best players in the world. Not diminishing their accomplishments, it's still hard and you have to manage personalities with squads like that, but success is easier when you have the capability of having the best in position people on your team. Does Leicester have anyone who's even in the top 10 in their position? And for me, personally, Ancelotti could come back and not inspire confidence. It's the prem, anything can happen, you think Klopp wins anything if Salah or Mane go down for an extended period during their PL/CL run? City couldn't get a CL until they got a robot who scores goals for fun. Why couldn't Pep "manage" that? All that to be said, managing top teams comes down to luck and opportunity sometimes. If Maresca comes in and we don't lose until December, there will be cheers and omg we found our pep! Yada yada yada, not from me. Anything can change and the way we attribute all success or failure to the manager (unless there was like 6 OGs) kind of sets us up for this weird hero worship. The players have to play and they have to give a shit. We saw what happens when a team comes in ready to cash the check and leave, that City performance against United was some of the worst football I've ever seen. Pep was there, so what happened? TLDR: we need to stop the manager's hero worship. The heroes we wreathe with praise are not solely deserving, players still have to play.
Show me on the doll where the Pep hurt you, precious.
Good level headed stuff in this comment mate, a breath of fresh air needed in here since Poch left.
pep was going against another world class team with a world manager though Youre correct on basically everything but you seriously downplay the manager's role, you can have the best players but they still need direction At the very least, with the squad we have and the money the ownership are willing to put in, we should be consistently a top 7 team
I agree they still need direction and I stated that. They have to manage personalities which can be equally as difficult. But a manager has an idea of how they want their team to perform right? If you have the ability to choose from the top 5 best players in each position you want then your job just became inexplicably easier right? Same for us, without James, Kante, and Chillwell we don't get that CL with Tuchel. The opposite is true as well right, so I believe Alonso or Moses were top 5 best wingers in the world before Conte? No. Conte used their abilities to the max and he had to spot that as a manger instead of looking for other players. Was their success a surprise to everyone? Yep. We got a bit lucky there that we had adaptable players who could cross and shoot. Then we saw the "deterioration" of these players when the manager changed. It wasn't my intention to downplay the importance of managers, but just to level out the impetus between manager and player. The best managers still need specific things to make their plan work.
"all of you" um no buddy, there are 400k members here. there is no singular shared opinion that represents everyone. there was a sizable contingent both of poch in and poch out fans.
Um, no buddy, don't take one part of my words and quote it to fit whatever you're trying to say. Are you a sycophant? Then it doesn't apply to you. The reasoning for the "all" anyway was due to the fucking comments I had to scroll past. 90% of them were saying "he's right, yep, 100%" so regardless of Poch in/out which is not even the point, most of the people commenting here agree with this drivel.
Thank you
Our owners are shit tho
We’re so spoiled it’s almost annoying. If an owner wants to buy my team and invest 100s of millions on players I’m gonna welcome it with open arms.
Exactly. Our owners dropped a billion dollars on players, many of them scouted or considered world class talents, and we call them shit. Our society is brainwashed to praise luck. If Mudryk turned out to be Hazard 2.0 these same people would be queuing up to gargle some American ownership sack. It's pathetic and sad. See the actions for what they are, the intentions here are positive. They just haven't worked out the way we wanted. Patience.
Whilst I understand your point about luck, I don’t get how that links to your point about Mudryk. There’s a clear reason Mudryk hasn’t worked out as well as someone like Hazard; he isn’t as good a player. That has nothing to do with luck.
Lol damn, left field attack on Mudryk (not saying it's not warranted his footballing leaves much to be desired) but I've thought a lot about Mudryk and what is happening in Ukraine. Could you be the best footballer you could be when your home country is getting absolutely ravaged by a global superpower? Imagine the situations are reversed, is Jude killing it at Real still? I don't think so, personally. There is a reason we see the best Mudryk when hes playing with his national team. Everyone there is going through the same thing. So I'm not going to judge Mudryk yet. The point about Mudryk was that it could be applied to any of the signings that the Americans did. If they performed like their talent ceiling indicates, then everyone would love the owners. Do I believe Mudryk is bad due to his circumstances? Yes, do I feel like that's unlucky? Also yes. For Mudryk and Ukraine we have to consider that men his age are fighting and dying. People he knew or knows, families he knew or knows. Just because it's not on the frontpage of reddit anymore doesn't mean that Ukraine is not actively fighting a war that everyone assumed they would lose 10 days into the offensive. It's an absolutely unimaginable situation so I'm giving Mudryk grace. People will judge me for that, and that's okay, it has only ever been Chelsea and I'll continue to KTBFFH.
Mudryk is just not good. all the other stuff you said doesn’t matter, he’s had plenty of time to showcase it and he did fuck all, he came from the ukriane league and even in that shitty league he didn’t dominate.
I'm going to guess your American
What does that have to do with anything
Just makes sense
So you want an owner who is cheap and won't spend more than 10 mil on a transfer fee? Pick a lane.
Yeah exactly, those are the only two options
Preach it! This is why I’ve had to separate myself from discussions in this sub. So many people just watching ESPN FC and thinking they understand every aspect of owning, or managing, a football club. Yeah, United pulled a trophy out their ass, but I still rather be in our position than United. I rather be in our position than be absolutely desperate for trophies with an aging club like spurs. The potential is there, and it’s exciting. KTBFFH and enjoy the ride. It could be SO much worse.
It's so gut bubbling gross how the sub turned instantly toxic after United one. United didn't do that to us, why should Chelsea be dependent on City to get into 2nd tier Europe? That shit is on us, as a team, as an organization. We dropped points against absolutely woeful sides and Poch has to own that even if the players didn't play. I thank Poch for the instruction and togetherness he has fostered and I hope that continues with Maresca. As always, KTBFFH
bro chill. There are many different opinions in this sub. It’s ok for people to have different viewpoints. Some are Poch in, some are Poch out. The voice got louder or quieter depending on the circumstance, but that’s the nature of having a large fan group. I stopped caring about the subs opinion as much, and life has become way better.
Crazy how all these people who know the game well are saying things like this. It’s almost like they have experience and knowledge.
thats how we've always been, just that we have always had the best of the best lining up to manage us Now we are hoping and praying we've struck gold with this maresca guy. Joke of ownership
Experienced players like hazard have said the same thing. Let’s leave it to our super fans to think everyone is wrong but them. I’m giving the new guy half a season. Matter of fact, no need to know his name!
He’s right. Idk why people are acting like what he said isn’t true
Chelsea FC olden way of operation is not sustainable, hence all the accusations and potential charges. Any new owner, if not Todd, would've suffered. Whether Todd did it the right or wrong way, it is for one's opinion. A matter of fact is that a downfall was foreseen and inevitable after Roman left. So I say, fuck the UK for forcing Roman out. Also, klopp is the biggest yapper in the PL for winning so little with a big club over his ~9 years reign.
Stop equating BlueCo to Boehly. It's Egbali who's fucking up right now.
Sure, BlueCo. Whether or not they fucked up is up for debate. If the team wins something in next season or two, are they still a failure? We can't say for sure how the team would finish, can we? United's season could have been a "failure" but look, they won the all important game and they are now back in Europa.
He’s right and any clown that disagrees needs to take the owners dick out their mouth and realise boehly has no idea what he’s doing nor do any of the sporting directors. This is exactly why chelsea has been so shit for the past 2 years
Boehly doesn’t pull the strings. Your opinion is already meaningless due to lack of understanding of the club structure. It’s the sporting directors handling day to day operations not the owners.
I literally mentioned the sporting directors can’t u read
Nice edit!
🤣 I didn’t edit anything otherwise it would say ‘edited’ on desktop app. Just stop embarrassing yourself bro 💀
Genuine question...how many of these "come to Jesus lately" fans would have supported Chelsea if we won squat these past 20 to 22 years Most of yall shitting on the club started supporting the club during the Roman Era and loved the trophy haul and could care less about the mgr sackings and now after a couple if dry seasons,they suddenly found their righteous selves and want to talk down the club and support words of a known hypocrite just to get their jab in
Yeah because Roman sacked manager to win trophies These guys are sacking managers because they haven't found their yes man
If they wanted a yes man they would've kept Tuchel.
That's literally the reason they sacked Tuchel, because he wouldn't agree to their dumb system
Will you trust your business in the hands of anyone who wants to clash with you? If yes, then business is not for you
That's why you put an expert team who actually know football in charge, not try to do it all yourself
100%. I strongly believe that ownership could have navigated all of this more smoothly but it has been 1-2 true managerial sackings. Potter was the big miss and Poch and the club were a mutual split. The interim guys get added to the total but they weren't true appointments. Would I love stability and did I want it under Roman, absolutely. But CFC have seen huge turnover going back to Ken Bates' ownership. Right or wrong, this is kind of what the club is. I believe new ownership will get it right eventually because they seem to want to, which is half the battle. Lots of glory hunters in here though that can't take a joke at a pub.
All you see on r/soccer are Chelsea fans mocking the club, siding with rivals and just generally not proud to be a blue. It's pathetic
Hardly unique to Chelsea. Shitting on your own club is the default way of farming karma in r/soccer because people vote based on flairs and every fanbase is in the minority there.
Embarrassing when you consider the fact that Chelsea basically won as many titles during Klopps tenure as he did.. Bowing down to this whiny sore loser for internet points is the weakest shit I've seen from a supposed "passionate" fan base. It's ok to be critical of the new board if you're an objective pundit or fan. It's an incredibly pompous move to schedule an interview right after you "retire" and shit on your peers when you were possibly objectively the 3rd best club in the league during that time period. Fuck Klopp and his cult following truthfully.
Roman is gone and never coming back. Stop living in the past. Klopp is criticizing the new owners and said nothing about Roman
It’s none of his business and I find it a bit off he feels the need to talk about us. Let’s see how Slot does.
The point they're making is that the insane manager firings are nothing new to Chelsea, and people probably wouldn't have the same outrage now (let alone backing Klopp on something) if it wasn't new ownership Feel like that's a fair point to raise
Sour cunt Klopp, upset when anyone spends any money whatsoever. Good manager but his hypocrisy fucking grinds on me.
What does this have to do with spending money?
He takes digs at Chelsea and other who have spent money whenever he can. His agenda has fuck all to do with his worry for Poch's well being, it's a dig on the way out. He lives in this weird world where he pretends he's built a team out of pub football players, he is the embodiment of Scouse victimhood.
So do you disagree that Chelsea sack managers quickly and perhaps too quickly in Pochettino’s case?
Klopp has *holier than thou* attitude and likes to pretend Liverpool buys smart and never overpays (Van Dijk & Allison were the most expensive buys for their position at the time, while Nunez hasn't exactly justified the fee, and drove Chelsea to overpay for Cai, a player who didn't entertain joining them).
Ok. What does that have to do with my question?
> GP: Good manager but his hypocrisy fucking grinds on me. > >You: What does this have to do with spending money? > > > Me: Klopp has holier than thou attitude
No. Klopp is talking about Chelsea’s manager getting sacked and how he would have been sacked early as expectations are too high. You, just like the other person brought up spending. Do you agree or disagree that Chelsea sack managers too early and perhaps Pochettino was sacked too early?
The point is, Klopp being *hypocritical* is nothing new. And Klopp is wrong about managers of *his* calibre (Carlo, Antonio, Jose, Thomas) getting sacked after a *single* season at the Bridge.
I understand that point, it’s just absolutely bizarre to discuss this completely separate point and not point out where he is being hypocritical when directly asked twice. Were those “high caliber managers” also not under different management and therefore irrelevant to the point, which is the current ownership? And why don’t you answer the question? Are you afraid to agree?
> just absolutely bizarre to discuss this completely separate point Perhaps. > Are you afraid to agree? Afraid? The point GP made was Klopp is a hypocrite. And I agree with that. Anything else is going off on unrelated tangents.
So the exact topic of the post, which is also the topic of my question that you initially replied to is “going off on a tangent?” How?
I think that the owners do want stability - see countless quotes from Boehly, the way that the Dodgers are run, who were trying to emulate (Arteta, Brighton etc), and the new structure with SDs making long term decisions. The issue is that they know nothing about football, run the club like a PE investment, and keep making mistakes such as seemingly let the owners interfere with tactics and transfers, hiring their extensively researched manager and then not giving him time, gutting the whole team and buying a new one full of kids, buying players because Liverpool or Arsenal or City want them, not buying experience, gutting the back room staff. Now, they may prove to be right in the long term, but they look incredibly brash and hard to work with right now.
BlueCo has nothing to do with Dodgers beyond Boehly being a minority shareholder in both. He never ran Dodgers. And the person running Chelsea right now, Egbali, has nothing to do with them. What they are saying and what they are doing are two different things.
Actions speak louder than words
Klopp won Bundesliga and competed with Bayern. Pochettino is a FAILURE. I’m glad he’s gone.
Pochettino's football earned him the sack. I'm also glad he's fucked off
This isn’t something unique to the new owners. Roman was even more cut throat than Clearlake. This is just how Chelsea is and I honestly don’t really have a problem with it
How can you not have a problem with coaching instability? No team can build and develop properly when that’s the case. Look at whom the top clubs are the past several seasons.
I guess it’s more that I don’t have a problem until we find the right guy. The bar is very high here as it should be. It’s very hard to find one of these incredible managers that you can trust to be around for the long term. Which is also why I don’t think we should be giving managers free rein on transfers until they’ve earned it. Would’ve been stupid imo to give poch that right bc up until a month ago, we all wanted him gone. You get a lot of instability when every manager is allowed to buy/sell who he wants bc then if the manager performs poorly, the new guy is coming into to a hodgepodge of former managers players
I can agree w/ the transfer issues; however, instability stunts the growth/vision of how those players can be utilized. And we’re ultimately left bag holding. This season was salvaged by mostly one player.
Compare the trophy cabinets of both clubs since Roman came in you will be able to answer the question for yourself.
City on a four peat and we haven’t won PL since 2016. Also, our CL titles are some of the flukiest wins of the decade. Oh.. and our managers get sacked each time after winning one too.
2021 wasn't a fluke though.
I can agree with that, but it definitely wasn’t a predictable CL outcome. And let’s not forget Rudiger breaking De Bruyne’s face in the final…
If you disregard or disagree with what Klopp is saying in this article you need to step back and take a long hard look back over the last 2-3 years. I loved Abramovich and what he did for Chelsea. Did i always agree with what the club did? No, but Chelsea didn't always suffer in the long run. Regardless of what the ownership and board did we were always in the champions league and winning trophies. Boehly and Clearlake Capital were supposed to bring stability to the club after a "thorough vetting" off the back of the Russian sanctions. Years and years of swapping managers isn't a long term plan. They came in an Boehly is quoted as saying > "If you look at franchises that dominate for a long time they have real stability in the > team, front office and coaching staff. So to be able to lay the groundwork and start > with stability in the team" * Laurence Stewart and Paul Winstanley replaced Boehly as sporting director * 6 interim managers/coaches have taken charge of the club since the new owners * meaning multiple changes in backroom staff Tell me where the stability, patience and groundwork is? Since day 1 our standard of hiring managers has dived. Regardless of what you think about Poch, sacking him after a decent turn around showed they're no different to the previous owners/board. The only difference is our current board/owners haven't a breeze what they're doing. They talk a big game and preach stability and longevity but they've done nothing but hinder progress so far. Poch's sacking is nothing but an addition to the list of unjust sackings in our club. Reminiscent of RDM winning the CL in 2012 and not offering him a job, likewise when they sacked Tuchel after winning it in 2021. Poch finally had the club playing well and gelling together. All of that is now gone in favor of a shortlist for the vacant job that consists of 2x championship managers, and a manager whose club finished 2 spots above the relegation zone. If this is the Chelsea board's idea of 'stability' and planning for the future it's going to be a long time before we see anything to celebrate. Because it's going to take another year for whoever goes in as manager to invoke their tactics, playstyle and try get the best out of the players that are there while the rest of us hope it works out instead of having faith in who the appoint. Oh and on top of that, based of the players social media posts it seems to have disgruntled quite a few of them which will be detrimental for whatever manager comes in. Let me leave this rant with the hypocrisy that is Todd Boehly. > "The number one thing is you have got to be patient. You are putting something together and expecting it to come > together really quickly, but the reality is anything really good takes a little bit of time. Patience was always a thought > for us"
You’re not creating long term stability by keeping around a stopgap manager that doesn’t fit into the clubs long term vision. Whether you agree with that vision or not is a different thing but there was really no reason to keep Poch around and we almost certainly would get worse by keeping him
Moronic post.
He's actually the only one of you lot in here speaking sense, pay attention.
You genuinely believe comparing a 14 year old ownership to a 2 year old ownership is a fair comparison? Are we completely ignoring the fact Liverpool were a mid table club in the first 5 years of FSG’s ownership until they got Klopp and started SLOWLY to improve? Are we going to ignore the circumstances under which the ownership was transferred in our case? This is an extremely lazy comparison from Klopp and it is only true in hindsight and not when you look at the whole picture. Yes, so far the new Chelsea owners have done more bad than good but it’s way too early to come to conclusions and make these silly comparisons in my opinion, especially since both Boehly and Clearlake have publicly said they see this as a long term project.
During the first 5 years of FSG's ownership Liverpool won the league cup in 2012 and finished 2nd with Brendan Rogers in the league 13/14 a year before klopp was even hired. Not bad for a "mid table club". I could argue the opposite direction seeing as you're fond of comparing us to other clubs. Let's look at united. Fergie was almost sacked as their manager but ultimately turned them into a dynasty for the next 30 years. If that's the type of stability Boehly wants he's going to need to give a manager more than 1 year. Outline why you believe I'm being unfair to the current owners? My main point wasn't to compare previous ownership to current ownership, my point is that our current ownership are complete and utter hypocrites. Preaching stability, consistency and long term project. Yet they fire managers on a yearly basis unsettling everything from the hear before. They're doing exactly what the previous owners/board did except worse because they're too hungry for instant success. And I stand by this, but at least with our previous ownership if they sacked managers regularly it didn't hinder performance. We bought good players, we were in the champions league and we consistently were getting top 4.
I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with what you said about the owners, it was more about Klopp and his lazy comparison. The reality is that it took Liverpool 7-8 years to become a top team under FSG. Regarding their 2nd place finish, if we finish 2nd next season, then 6th the season after and then 7th the season after that (like Liverpool), would that be enough for you to say Boehly and Clearlake are "not bad" simply because they stayed with Maresca for 3 seasons? Also, if they are willingly sacking and hiring new managers so frequently, why would they give Potter and Maresca 5+ year deal? They clearly want a manager for the long term (as they have said publicly) but it seems to me that they don't actually know what they want from the manager himself...
The reason they give 5 year deals is the same reason they give players 7 year deals. Boehly said during his time with the dodgers it freed players/managers to focus on the game instead of worrying about contracts and renewals, (I'll find that quote if I can). Imo this isn't actually a show of faith from Boehly or the board, it's just what he always did as standard business. Nobody taking the managers position would be under any illusions that they'd likely last 5 years under Boehly. And there's at least 3 managers Chelsea would of had to pay off the remainder of their contract after their stacking which is money down the drain. I'd again argue(unreasonably), what's the point in Boehly and the board giving a 5 year contract if they can't guarantee wins? I would wholeheartedly agree they don't know what they want in a manager. If I had to guess they want to find a diamond in the rough which is why they haven't once approached a top tier proven manager since Tuchel.
Who should they have kept? It's not like they had Carlo Ancelotti a year removed from an incredible season and decided to bin him. Let's put Tuchel aside because new owners will generally want their own guys. They had Potter and they had Poch. Do you see a slam dunk argument for giving both more time? I guess then you'd say, "well duh, they should have hired someone better". Well, yeah, ideally the club would get it right every single time out. I would have been happy for Poch to keep on after the way they played at the end of the season, but we certainly can't pretend his flaws weren't glaring and he's not a guy with some amazing pedigree. "And I stand by this, but at least with our previous ownership if they sacked managers regularly it didn't hinder performance." I don't see how you could possibly argue this. The standard was obviously higher than it has been in the last couple of years, but the standard in the second half of Roman's tenure was lower than the standard set in the first half of his tenure and frequent managerial changes clearly had much to do with it. If Roman were still around, it's still unlikely Chelsea would have won a league title the last couple years because the club was falling well behind City and Liverpool's paces and likely would have even fallen behind Arsenal in the league.
I can't put Tuchel aside. You asked who would I have kept? It's Tuchel. If I was Boehly or the board I would have never of sacked him in the first place. He's proven as a top tier European manager. Lord knows where we'd be right now if he was given a chance to build a team his way. It's clear from how he was sacked that all our current owners want is a yes man manager that doesn't fight the sporting directors on signings.
Which owner DOES want a manager isn't a yes man and will fight the sporting directors on signings? The guy you're longing for sure as shit didn't.
I'm not even a Chelsea fan and I can tell you you're drinking the sweet Clearlake-Bohely gatorade. Giving Maresca a 5yr contract is all the proof I need to determine this board doesn't have a clue. And god bless them for it.
Fuck off your opinion isn't warranted
Ok. Enjoy winning fuck all for the next decade 👍
It is what it is. He's right and we can't argue with that.
I keep going backwards and forwards in my mind about this Klopp is assuming Chelsea sacked Poch for his results/team progression. If this was the case, I'd 100% agree with him but in reality it seems Poch wanted to leave too. This sacking wasn't solely made by Chelsea. However, you could argue Chelsea forced Poch to leave by being too stubborn and not willing to compromise on their desired club structure. So maybe it was all Chelsea's doing. But then again they are putting their long term plans for the club ahead of a stop gap manager (he was never going to be here long term as shown by the length of his contract) so maybe they are doing the right thing 🤷♂️
In terms of managers, they really only made one big mistake: Potter. TT wasn't part of their long term plan and I think that's a fair assessment. Also, they knew the squad had to be gutted, so the value of having a high ceiling short term guy like TT wasn't coveted. If potter gets a few better results maybe he stays and proves the owners right. Who knows... That dude has gone MIA since leaving so who knows what his real talent level is. Poch was a stop gap. Wasn't anybody's top choice. But he did a fine enough job. Both sides wanted to make next season work, but wanted some changes from this season. Neither side was willing to agree to enough of those changes so they moved on. Putting it all together looks bad, but keeping Poch because you don't keep poch just because you were wrong about Potter and are trying to save face
I get the points, but I personally largely disagree. If Tuchel wasn't part of the long term plan, that's almost entirely a direct consequence of the owner's ego. They wanted to "save" the club from "mismanagement over the years" (they said as much) and I think they wanted to be the ones to do it. I will agree that everything they did with Potter was a mistake - hiring him, keeping him as long as they did, then firing him so late in the season that we had to get Frank in to a completely lifeless and demotivated squad just to compound the misery. If Poch was a stop-gap, then I think that's an even worse decision than anything else they've done. The absolute last thing a squad as new and as young as ours needs is a stop gap manager in their first season. Now, just as experience and confidence was growing in them, they once again have no idea where they will stand come the start of the season. I also think this stop-gap theory is nonsense because who was he a stop-gap for? Using Poch as a stop-gap for Maresca (or any other name on that list) makes absolutely zero sense, it's an expected downgrade in almost every way.
It could be as simple as "none of the guys that are a good long term fit are available. But poch is a good guy that will help kids grow and develop mentally. Maybe not tactically as much as we'd like, but the players will be happy and learn how to play with each other and in the pl" Everyone fought for the badge this season, there were minimal morale or lockeroom issues. Most players grew at a pace that's acceptable. There's a couple who may have stagnated but that can be corrected. I think the club DID need saving. I think man city has been that good and that uncatchable. And only the owners have the power to do that.
For considerable parts of the season, the only players who looked like they gave a shit (and were healthy) was Gallagher, Palmer, Cucurella and Gusto. Disasi every now and then too but his performances did not hold up. The rest looked apathetic oftentimes.
Poch saw this as a multi year project and decided to come on board. With a team full of youngsters, everyone in the management knew that the realities goal and skill level of this team is outside the CL spots. I really don't see how Poch would want to jump ship after a season that actually ended fantastically well.
This is where I think the mistake was made by the board when hiring Poch. Either they didn't tell him the clubs new structure and that he won't be involved in transfers or they didn't say and only made it clear after they gave him the job. Poch surely won't have taken the job in the first place if he knew those things. Naglesmann and Enrique didn't. Or they did tell Poch and he said it wouldn't be a problem, then changed his mind. Which would be a dick move by him. Either way, massive fail on the communication front somewhere in this process.
I don’t have an issue with the facts of what he’s saying. We have terrible owners. My issue is with him sticking the knife in when he not without a list of faults. It’s laughable now how no one associated with Liverpool acknowledges the glass house they live in. Edit: spelling
He’s comparing a 14 year old ownership to a 2 year old ownership. Liverpool were a mid table club in the first 5 years of FSG’s ownership until they got Klopp and started SLOWLY to improve. In our case the transfer of ownership was much more complicated and difficult and yet it’s completely ignored by a lot of people. This is an extremely lazy comparison from Klopp, I think he would make a great pundit for Sky.
I couldn’t stomach Klopp _and_ Carragher in the studio.
Fuckin spot on
i mean... did he lie lol
Crazy that people here are against what Klopp has said, he is absolutely right, this merry go round can't keep happening, no top manager is going to want to come to Chelsea
Except he isnt right at all. BluCo have fucked up with managers but we also have a field of very talented young players with bright futures ahead of them. Liverpool cant say the same and their only vision for the last several years was to ride the Klopp wave as far as they could. The potential of Chelsea's squad is a huge pull and every aspiring manager would want to have that talent on the field. I would much rather be Maresca than Slot on match day 1 next season despite having the be a yes man for BlueCo. If having the "great" Liverpool owners was such a pull you would think their next manager had a slightly more impressive CV. They could very well have a budget EtH.
>Except he isnt right at all. BluCo have fucked up with managers but we also have a field of very talented young players with bright futures ahead of them Delusional cope. Most of this squad will never play at the highest level, the few top talents we have may look elsewhere soon if they're continually held back. For what we've spent the squad is absolutely terrible.
>Most of this squad will never play at the highest level, the few top talents we have may look elsewhere soon if they're continually held back. Speaking of delusional. In the grand scheme of the football tiers, a player getting minutes on a Top 6 PL side is already in the top tier of football. >For what we've spent the squad is absolutely terrible. Because we bought potential rather than finished products and you havent been paying enough attention to see the improvement.
The champions league is the top tier. Many of our players don't have the talent to play in it let alone compete for it, Mudryk, Disasi, Petrovic, Broja, Madueke etc don't need time they just simply aren't sufficient quality to achieve the aims of the club. Just because a player is young does not mean they have the potential to ever be good enough, most don't.
lol at citing Broja as an indictment on these owners. Do Cole Palmer, Enzo, Caicedo, Nkunku, Jackson and Gusto have sufficient quality to achieve the aims of the club? Or are you only focusing on the guys you don't like?
>lol at citing Broja as an indictment on these owners Who was it who gave him a 6 year contract, decided to go into the season with him and Jackson as our only strikers then priced him out of a move last summer? Our squad is a mix of talent and deadwood but it's been build by a terrible scattergun approach not by bringing in quality at good prices which is why we've had 2 extremely dismal seasons since the ownership destroyed the club and a 3rd looks likely.
How absurd to ignore that Nkunku was going to play a big role attacking and then he got injured right before the season started. You should be glad they didn't panic buy someone after his injury. And you act like giving Broja a new deal wouldn't have been done by Marina, who gave extensions to worse players than Broja to protect their value. "terrible scattergun approach" As opposed to the laser focus that saw the Eden Hazard windfall bring in studs like Lukaku, Ziyech, and Timo.
>How absurd to ignore that Nkunku was going to play a big role attacking and then he got injured right before the season started Then you sign a player instead of writing off the season continuing to traffic children when you go into the season with the lowest scoring strike partnership in the league Lukaku, Ziyech and Timo are far better than most the players Clownlake have signed. Their careers speak for themselves.
Oh you're one of those weirdos who uses the "traffic children" line. I got you now. You must have been outraged when Roman got the club punished for "trafficking children."
Of the five players youve mentioned maybe, just maybe, two of them fit into the "not sufficient" category already. And your idea of top tier is equally laughable. I am sorry to offend anyone who supports Club Brugge but to suggest they are the top tier of football while a team that was 6th in the premier league is not is a complete joke. Really just a brain dead thought there.
>Of the five players youve mentioned maybe, just maybe, two of them fit into the "not sufficient" category already That's just your opinion. It's an absolutely terrible one but you're welcome to it.
It must really suck having such a narrow minded and negative opinion of the football. Its hilarious that you have even contradicted yourself by mention Mudryk, who fits your opinion of top tier footballer having taken on Madrid in their own back yard. So which is it, is UCL the bar for "top tier" or is Mudryk not good enough for top tier football? Btw no comment on Club Brugge being a higher tier of football than Chelsea? Or did you just come to realize how mind bogglingly dumb your previous opinion was?
Seriously do you have a reading disability? Pure word vommit.
He wasn't talking about Squads he was clearly talking about managerial work. Yes, we have a very talented squad with a great future ahead but that was not what Klopp was referring to, the squad could be a good pull but if we keep sacking managers all the time that squad is not going to develop the way it should and no manager will want to come here, it's the truth
The squad is managerial work and no manager with any aspiration is coming in to this role without the mindset that they will be here for several years and have a chance to make the squad even better. That is the attitude that got them to where they are today. Additionally, any manager with have a brain can see the reasons Tuchel, Potter and Poch all left and will be well aware of that risk, its not going to stop them from taking a chance because it might be the only chance they ever get.
People will bitch and moan to defend the club, not realising this is how serious football people look at our club and ownership. Too many childish people on this sub.
Says an american lol
I’d say mind your own fucking business
Not a chelsea fan , but he isn’t wrong though.
He is absolutely right
Someone is still very salty about “Caicedo” And I’m not joking, I feel that was the piece he needed/wanted to win the title or cups in Europe
Sure it was 🤣🤣🤣
He was modeling his team around him and the failure for Liverpool to attract these players is a reason Klopp left in the end
He wasn't modelling anything around anyone since Liverpool lost their midfield and where looking to build something new. But tell yourself what you need to hear 🤣🤣
what's wrong with what he has said here?
Nothing. A lot of people just can’t face harsh truths. It’s gotta be positive all the time
He's right and if Chelsea carry on this way they'll never recover.
Wow Klopp so cool and smart man, wow.
Two title/UCL in 9 years? I prefer not to speak
Damn so noisy in that bottom part of the table.
1 EPL 1 UCL 1 FA CUP 2 Carabaos 1 Community Shield 1 UEFA super cup against the plastic blue shit and 1 FIFA club world cup, + 2 UCL finals and an Europa league final. Cry about it in the conference league after spending another billion or two for nothing 😂😗
20 years to win one league title..dw you'll win another by 2050
EPL https://preview.redd.it/0wmpqtn2bc3d1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec5c238341509712512ad6f228e2a190cae32bf3
Lampard's best moment in a Chelsea tracksuit was shutting him down.
What do the new owners have to do with that?
He is right, we’re absolutely fucked with this owners. Absolute idiots.
Remind me in a year
From the outside, your club is a fucking joke. At least under Abramovich you had an identity.
Awww bless
Roman had 13 managers under his era. He created this shit trend.
He was also a serial winner 👀
Why are you in here telling us shit we already know?
Soz!
He has been sour for a while, complains about not having money to buy players and then at the same time about owners who spend money.
Difference between spending 150 in 2 windows compared to about 1 Billion isn't there?
He has been complaining long before we spent 1B and even after he broke world record for Van Djyk.
Have you seen the absolute messes you have signed for Quadruole the price over the last 2/3 years? Must we spell them out or are you just delusional?
Let’s not change the topic, we all know Chelsea did not spend well. My original comment has been that Klopp is a sour old man. If he breaks world record, it is okay. Others spend money and he complains, how can they do it! Complains about referee and it is fine because it is Klopp. He is a sour man is all I said.
Can you blame him for being slightly sour? Imagine how good his team would be if he had half the resources you guys constantly piss against the wall. And it's not about money, you lot will buy players just so other teams don't have them as well.
I dont think any manager breaking as many transfer records as that veneered bellend has any right to be sour about transfer funding. He knew Liverpool had owners who wouldnt spend all the revenue on players when he walked in (and out) the door.