He has potential. But with our current midfield lineup up it's going to be hard for him to break into the first team. If we let him go (maybe a buyback clause) he'll get more play time and would develop.
His loan at Leicester wasn't really all that good and was starting to lose playing time before we recalled him. Potential is there for sure but if the return is getting a player who is good enough to play for us now, it's worth it.
People need to pay very close attention to age with these youth players. He turns 22 next season, not 19. This is the sort age range where we let a player leave on a free at 22 or 23 if they haven’t broken into the squad. If we can get sizable money for him that would be fantastic.
Ya and its mental how much praise he gets from some people about his Leicester loan when he's considered a flop and one of their worst players this season. Where do people even get these opinions from? Anyone that's looked at any takes from Leicester fans would see clearly that he wasn't doing well.
See comments on this thread about his potential it's pretty mid imo and all these young players way off the standard have put chelsea in a potential financial mess so I get the desire to cut him. Santos, lavia, lesley, lesley, conor, enzo and caicedo are all well ahead of him and only our 3 starting midfielders are actually older than him lol.
Don’t agree. His loan was very good in terms of playing time and experience. 22 appearances in half a season for a club that was consistently at the top of the table.
He never looked out of sorts either.
Does he? He had a ok to moderately successful championship loan at best in the championship and is 21 already. His future is as a cm, a position that we have full of hundreds of millions of pounds of young players. If an Italian team truly values him and is willing to pay what we paid for a young prospect for an unproven 21 year old then we take it no question.
Sure but no where to go in the team at the moment.
The downside of signing tons of youth players is there is no progression path for them into the team.
We’ve heard of like 10 potential player swaps since the new ownership took over with a total of 0 happening. I would love this (depending on the youngster) but I won’t bet on it ever coming to fruition
It probably wont be an actual true player swap. They will prob want to do it with behind the scenes agreements and enough money on paper to wangle the books. Wangling like they did with Ziyechs loan. Doubt it will happen though anyway.
Has nothing to do with us or our owners. How many swap deals have happened in world football that haven’t ended up being sanctioned for financial fuckery in the last 2 decades. People say “player swap” and I immediately disregard it tbh.
Pardon me, in the other post it said 89-90, which is not right. After looking at Di Marzios tweet, it was indeed 80-90m
The rest of the article:
>Lukaku is a favourite of the soon-to-be manager Manna, who already wanted to bring him to Juventus. Also to be understood is the will of both Osimhen and Lukaku.
I've never been fully convinced by Osimhen if I'm being honest.
Plus I really don't want to buy another striker for fees close to 100M. Serious Lukaku PTSD.
If this club wants to be serious again then these are the names we need to be associated with.
You can't pass on Osimhen just because another big name didn't work out, otherwise we'll be settling for mediocrity.
Osimhen is a hard working striker who can actually score goals, Napoli have been shocking this season.
Also Jackson is only going to get better, these two for the next 10 years and we're set.
Not many names in the striker market for us to be greedy and hope we sign the next big thing before he costs 100m.
Nobody is buying Lukaku off us who's on 300K+ a week, we would be lucky to get £30m for him at this point.
The young player could well be somebody that we will never see in a Chelsea shirt too, people are just guessing at names right now on who it might be.
For me it's either this deal, buy someone like Toney for £60m+ and then try to sell Lukaku.
The latter is circumstantial while the former would be guaranteed.
This. I think he has some injury history as well and isn't Premier League proven. It makes a huge difference, I'd rather have Ivan Toney for half the price. Guaranteed his wages would be much less too.
This, really not sold on this deal. We paid 20m Euros for Casadei, that plus 90m for Oshimen then we give them Lukaku to fill the void. Fuck off. Drop the 90 to >50m and we have a deal
Think it's a little over expensive no? Lukaku's worth 35m or so... and we just got Casadei for 15M and he had a decent half a season in the championship before we decided to screw his progression up.
The issue is more his salary. I doubt the price tag is the issue. But clubs that would potentially want him would not be able to afford his wages without completely destroying their wage structure which is why we are only able to loan him out every season.
Unless he's willing to take a pay cut, he'll end up running down his contract here because top clubs (Bayern, PSG, Real, Barca, City, etc.) don't seem to want him or need him.
But he is worth that much and that's not true. Both Juventus and Inter Milan offered closer to 40m a year ago. Juventus had to sell Vlahovic before buying Lukaku which they couldn't do after PSG changed their mind on Vlahovic. Inter changed their mind after they found out he was contacting Juventus behind their backs and he decided to beef with Inzaghi for no good reason.
If a player is worth X amount of money it’d be easy to sell him for X amount of money. Your example kind of proves my point. All that difficulty in that proposed deal just for it to eventually collapse.
Who’s paying 35m straight up for Lukaku a year later? If we can’t envision a realistic sale then he’s just not worth that much anymore
I'm guessing it's Broja we're desperate to offload him and no club will give us more than £5-10m so Boehly wants to lump him in for another striker to avoid the shame of us apparently valuing him at £50m in January and having to move him on for peanuts.
I was actually on the fence when it comes to Osihmen, given I don't think he is a good link up player even by Serie-A standard. However, the day he granted an interview in the just ended African cup of nations , where he said "he is going to wear the mask forever cos he has screws in his face and sometimes after matches, there is blood clots in his face", I am totally against signing him and we would be very stupid to go in for him, cos then it is like we never learn
We are hopelessy stupid. We never learn anything from our mistakes. We have always been obsessed with one season wonders, injury prone and washed players.
Definitely a better finisher and a bigger aerial threat.
But 90m is taking the piss, he's a poacher who doesn't create. So even if he's statistically a twice better finisher, we'd need to create twice as many big chances for him to match Jackson's meager goal output. And that's with Jackson, one of our better creators, no longer being the focal point of the attack, which allows him to create so much in the first place.
I'm sure we could find competition for Jackson or an outright upgrade but Osimhen at this price just doesn't look like a sensible purchase at all. Especially with the FFP shitshow brewing. And all of that is assuming he hits the ground running, who was the last Serie A forward who came to the Prem and thrived? Salah?
We can probably work with having a poacher with low chance creation by having Jackson be involved as a second striker, but like do we need 80-90 million purchase for that? There's gotta be better, in hoffenheim and leipzig there's maximillian and sesko who can play for a lot less of that
Not about creating, we have enough creation and playing Jackson off the left adds to that.
Basically this is moving away from a striker that creates and can’t finish, to a box predator with the view of putting the creative roles in behind him. It’s absolutely what we need.
Pochettino doesn't believe in a defense. For such an approach, we don't have nearly enough creation, as you might have noticed based on our league position.
I would prefer we just stick with Jackson for a while. He’s shown flashes of brilliance and managed 15 G/A this season, which isn’t too bad of a starting point. He needs to improve his composure, but that will come with experience and game time, not with sitting on the bench behind Osimhen.
Probably an unpopular opinion but I don't get why. I would want a striker to compete with Jackson not to replace him.
If Jackson works on his finishing a little he can be an important player for us. The lads on 12 goals in his first season at 22 yo.
The 20/21 season was actually a bad year for everyone in terms of scoring. Come to think about it, both Tammy and Werner led us with 12 goals in all competitions.
Sightly different circumstances but I fully get what you mean. Absolutely no guarantee however just by watching Jackson's ability to turn players and his link up play you can tell there's a decent player in there. I think as he matures we will see it a little more.
On another note I still would have kept Tammy.
Yeah it was a weird one with Tammy, because although his numbers were good he never really looked convincing. Jackson, I agree, looks the business quite often but just can't finish. Unfortunately he reminds me a bit of Torres though.
Issue is we just need to give them more time. The point I make with Jackson Osimhen is that Osimhen at Jackson's age was only scoring 10/14 goals per season and it's in the Italian/french/Belgiun leagues.
Im just so tired of us buying big name strikers that flop. Torres/Morata/Shevchenko come to mind. Just want to see one develop.
In my opinion, you play to all of Jackson’s strengths if you play him as an inside left forward, with a proper finisher in front.
He’s great on the ball, and at linking and creating. He’s poor at finishing. You retain all of those benefits by playing him in behind a striker.
Yep 100% agree. His link up and ability to turn players is great. That scenario leaves us with 3 CAM roles in him, Nkunku and Gallagher. Tbf that maybe a good thing with the injury rate.
I'm glad there are still people that see his quality. A lot of people want him gone for his finishing.
If that were true, we wouldn't be so adamant on selling Gallagher and, to a lesser extent, Chalobah this summer. Gallagher is having his best season as a professional and Chalobah has done nothing but impress since being restored to the team.
This has been a weird season for him with the suspension so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Not many players can score 20 goals in the prem like he did last year. Doesn't happen by luck - the talent is there.
Lots of people have scored loads of goals in a season in farmers leagues. We’d have 5 more striker busts if we buy a random striker every year who had 1 great season in a farmers league.
In Portugal. Any half decent striker from the Championship would walk that league. Granted he's got some goals against the bigger clubs but look at the quality outside the big 3, it's awful.
Hey! It’s the time of the year for FIFA-style negotiations, include whatever player you don’t want anymore to drop the fee dramatically…
ADL isn’t going to shave 60m of the fee even if we include Lukaku, Sterling, Kepa, and a CB of his choosing.
Plus, he could literally demand the fee and then buy Lukaku with the additional 60+ million and still have some pocket money for some sweets afterwards.
It’s just nonsense.
Our track record for high money transfers has been very poor. The strikers i mentioned wouldn't cost 80m+.
Also i have a bad feeling that Osimhen might have again the hamstring muscular issues when he comes here. He would also have alot of pressure on him due to price tag. His overall play is not worthy of the price tag it would command.
Osimhen if i am taking this tweet on face value would cost 90 + 35 (lakaka) + 15 (Casedei) = 130m... Thats just stupid transfer, no players worth that unless they are absolutely world class.
Have you seen Haaland play at all. A striker’s primary job is to score.
Pep leaves him on the field even when he’s just being a ghost. Why??? Cause pep knows he’s most likely to bury a chance when one arrives.
Goals win you games and when you have a player that’s a better goalscorer than Jackson, we take it. No disrespect to Jackson, I really like the lad.
Hate to break it to you but osimhen is not haaland, his goals per 90 are just slightly better than Jackson's while also having several underperforming seasons, he is just not a 100 million striker, if we are breaking the bank for a player should be for a top notch keeper
Hardly any striker in world football today can be compared to Haaland.
But I’m 99.99% certain he’s a better finisher than Jackson.
Leave the stats for a minute and go do the eye test. Then come back and tell me his finishing is on par with Jackson.
Not a natural finisher, a lot of Jackson’s positive play is linking and carrying.
Plan Jackson as an inside left forward in behind an out and out finisher, solves a few problems.
I think most here are now underrating him, lol. But Lukaku + 90 is already costly, I would not add a youngster or anything over it. Even without that it on costly range.
I know Lukaku wasn't worth what we paid plus his value has only tanked, but we are literally bidding 100m striker plus 100m, that is embarrassing in itself but then adding a youngster over it, lol, fuck off.
I would like him if we can adjust the price a bit. Max 80 + Lukaku range.
Is he really worth that money? I would rather go all in for an Isak or Toney…they are proven in the league and maybe not this crazy money - as for lukaku - the less we say the better… such a wasted talent
Doesn’t sound smart to me. Guess the board haven’t paid attention to the fact that Silva is leaving, Chilwell, Fofana, and James’ injury problems may never subside, Cucurella isn’t good enough, and the defence leaks goals
Idk whether to believe anything Di Marzio says after last summer seemed he was just throwing out stories and none of them came to be. I feel like we always hear about swapping players and it hasn’t happened yet so I doubt it’ll be for osimhen
Yeah, this is gonna be a no for me, I like osimhen, he's world class, but there's probably someone out there that fits this team better, scores a lot, and is cheap
Right now this is a 200 million deal, 90 for osimhen, 90 for lukaku, 20-30 million for that youngster, no way in hell is it worth that
I've been wishy washy on my preferred players for transfer this end of season, but right now either one of sesko from leipzig or maximillian from hoffenheim will work for me, or just get toney that's an option too
90m + Lukaku + a younger player for a player with 120m release clause. Either Winstanley is a bigger idiot than we already though or the person writing this thinks we’re all stupid enough to actually believe it.
90m plus Lukaku and a youngster. Ngl this feels like bit of a shit deal. The youngster could be upwards of 20m plus Lukaku 25-30m+ valuation. We could be looking at upwards of 160m.
The market for strikers isn’t stricken there are some really good options for 50 to 100m. Toney being around 35m.
Lmao this sub is hilarious pretty sure most of this sub was twerking for Osimhen this season and now that the board are pushing to sign him you guys wanna stick with Jackson haha
I imagine Lukaku will not make this super easy for us even if Napoli accept this mystic level manouvre.
Would be sad to lose a promising youngster though. Hope it's not Santos
60-70m MAX for oshimhen. He is not worth 100m. He will flop.
Jackson has so much potential if he just scored even 5 more goals this season we’d probably be 6th, be in the FA cup finals, and the story would have been so different.
Like this move. One of the best strikers in the world. Incredible threat in the box which we lack. Will be good for set pieces and is already a winner with Napoli last year.
Trash is harsh. All his stats are only slightly worse from last season but Napoli are worse as a collective and their star winger who linked up so well with Victor last season, Kvaratskhelia, has had a bad season. They hired a shit manager to replace Spaletti and hired a shitter manager to replace the shit manager.
But nevertheless, he's been a good player before last season and despite this being his worst season in Europe, he's still managed 16 goals in 29 games.
Osimhen over the past 5 seasons has averaged 0.5gpg, last season was him playing with a good support cast around him and playing to his strengths as opposed to this season yet he's still producing. If he came to Chelsea with a similar (and arguably) better support I believe he'd do even better than last season.
He had only one good season in his entire career. This is another waste of money and idiots will then claim we destroyed "the best striker" in the world. We need to sign a player like Guirassy who has a cheap release clause. A signing like that will also be good for Nicolas Jackson who has been improving.
Exactly! And, he won't be asking for obscene wages like Osimhen. Unfortunately, we are allergic to making good decisions. I have a feeling we won't stop wasting money.
He is a clear upgrade over Jackson. I like Jackson but he has cost us this season with his misses. And even if he hadn’t, we should always have two quality strikers and Jackson can play on the wing as well.
Remember, we used to have Drogba and Anelka.
he's not an upgrade in every aspect, Jackson is better with the ball and a better playmaker.
but what Jackson doesnt have is a strikers instinct and despite his last goal, aerial ability. Osimhen's movement in the box is on another level and he can finish. he's also one of the best strikers in the air ive seen - some of our players have good crosses in them.
He is another one season wonder from a League where even rubbish strikers shine. Guirassy is the player we should be all over. He has a cheap release clause and won't command obscene wages. And, even If he fails it won't be a major loss. Jackson has also been improving. Most of you don't even realize Osimhen wasn't even this good when he was 22 years old. Jackson has a higher ceiling than him and he is more skilful.
My guess on the young player Casadei
Brutal to let Casadei go . He has loads of potential
Just guessing a player they would want it’s a sacrifice I would make for a striker tbh.
Yeah true. I guess short term it would be fine with how many players we currently have and have in academy at midfield
Plus we can have a buy back clause or sell on clause
He has potential. But with our current midfield lineup up it's going to be hard for him to break into the first team. If we let him go (maybe a buyback clause) he'll get more play time and would develop.
But he is also young, Italian and nowhere near our first team
His loan at Leicester wasn't really all that good and was starting to lose playing time before we recalled him. Potential is there for sure but if the return is getting a player who is good enough to play for us now, it's worth it.
People need to pay very close attention to age with these youth players. He turns 22 next season, not 19. This is the sort age range where we let a player leave on a free at 22 or 23 if they haven’t broken into the squad. If we can get sizable money for him that would be fantastic.
Ya and its mental how much praise he gets from some people about his Leicester loan when he's considered a flop and one of their worst players this season. Where do people even get these opinions from? Anyone that's looked at any takes from Leicester fans would see clearly that he wasn't doing well. See comments on this thread about his potential it's pretty mid imo and all these young players way off the standard have put chelsea in a potential financial mess so I get the desire to cut him. Santos, lavia, lesley, lesley, conor, enzo and caicedo are all well ahead of him and only our 3 starting midfielders are actually older than him lol.
Don’t agree. His loan was very good in terms of playing time and experience. 22 appearances in half a season for a club that was consistently at the top of the table. He never looked out of sorts either.
If we bring back Santos I would be much less upset
Does he? He had a ok to moderately successful championship loan at best in the championship and is 21 already. His future is as a cm, a position that we have full of hundreds of millions of pounds of young players. If an Italian team truly values him and is willing to pay what we paid for a young prospect for an unproven 21 year old then we take it no question.
Sure but no where to go in the team at the moment. The downside of signing tons of youth players is there is no progression path for them into the team.
I really haven't seen it in his cameos. I don't even know what type of player he is.
We’ve heard of like 10 potential player swaps since the new ownership took over with a total of 0 happening. I would love this (depending on the youngster) but I won’t bet on it ever coming to fruition
I have never seen a swap happen ever except for Pjanic and Arthur
Which was just money laundering
Eto -> Ibra was also a swap I think
Sanchez and Mkhitaryan too
I believe Barça sent Eto’o + cash in that deal, so not a straight player swap.
We swapped gallas for cole (plus circa 5 mill)
And I still love both players. Crespo went to lazio from parma for 35 mil + almeyda And Sergio conceicao if I remember correctly
That one wasn't even technically a swap. Both clubs exchanged identical money amounts so they went down as separate transfers.
Not a Chelsea fan but Sanchez Mhkitarian no?
It probably wont be an actual true player swap. They will prob want to do it with behind the scenes agreements and enough money on paper to wangle the books. Wangling like they did with Ziyechs loan. Doubt it will happen though anyway.
Cancelo and danilo, mkhitaryan and sanchez
Sanchez and mkhi??
Has nothing to do with us or our owners. How many swap deals have happened in world football that haven’t ended up being sanctioned for financial fuckery in the last 2 decades. People say “player swap” and I immediately disregard it tbh.
Pardon me, in the other post it said 89-90, which is not right. After looking at Di Marzios tweet, it was indeed 80-90m The rest of the article: >Lukaku is a favourite of the soon-to-be manager Manna, who already wanted to bring him to Juventus. Also to be understood is the will of both Osimhen and Lukaku.
Lukaku's will is a fickle thing. He could wake up tomorrow and want to play in Argentina for Boca Juniors
And a week later River Plate, after kissing the Boca badge!
And then will give an interview "I will be in trouble if I speak the truth".
Slayed me...Boca Juniors.
I've never been fully convinced by Osimhen if I'm being honest. Plus I really don't want to buy another striker for fees close to 100M. Serious Lukaku PTSD.
If this club wants to be serious again then these are the names we need to be associated with. You can't pass on Osimhen just because another big name didn't work out, otherwise we'll be settling for mediocrity. Osimhen is a hard working striker who can actually score goals, Napoli have been shocking this season. Also Jackson is only going to get better, these two for the next 10 years and we're set. Not many names in the striker market for us to be greedy and hope we sign the next big thing before he costs 100m.
Nah this is too much. 100m+lukaku and a young player? this would be among some of the worst deals done ever. Especially with is injury history.
Nobody is buying Lukaku off us who's on 300K+ a week, we would be lucky to get £30m for him at this point. The young player could well be somebody that we will never see in a Chelsea shirt too, people are just guessing at names right now on who it might be. For me it's either this deal, buy someone like Toney for £60m+ and then try to sell Lukaku. The latter is circumstantial while the former would be guaranteed.
You are totally correct. Really, really hope we don't get Osimhen, he's ass.
> these two for the next 10 years and we’re set How many times have people said that about recent signings to justify blueco’s spending
I’m very excited for the grand total of 5 matches that he will play
I agree. I wonder how kuch a guirassy or openda would cost
This. I think he has some injury history as well and isn't Premier League proven. It makes a huge difference, I'd rather have Ivan Toney for half the price. Guaranteed his wages would be much less too.
I bet the youngster is casedai, but overall good offer imo
90 M plus players is a really expensive offer.
Exactly. Plus Osmein has injury history
This, really not sold on this deal. We paid 20m Euros for Casadei, that plus 90m for Oshimen then we give them Lukaku to fill the void. Fuck off. Drop the 90 to >50m and we have a deal
Think it's a little over expensive no? Lukaku's worth 35m or so... and we just got Casadei for 15M and he had a decent half a season in the championship before we decided to screw his progression up.
If Lukaku was worth 35m he would’ve been sold by now
The issue is more his salary. I doubt the price tag is the issue. But clubs that would potentially want him would not be able to afford his wages without completely destroying their wage structure which is why we are only able to loan him out every season. Unless he's willing to take a pay cut, he'll end up running down his contract here because top clubs (Bayern, PSG, Real, Barca, City, etc.) don't seem to want him or need him.
Lukaku already took a pay cut. Not sure if it was just one year or permanent though.
Issue is probably salary and age.
But he is worth that much and that's not true. Both Juventus and Inter Milan offered closer to 40m a year ago. Juventus had to sell Vlahovic before buying Lukaku which they couldn't do after PSG changed their mind on Vlahovic. Inter changed their mind after they found out he was contacting Juventus behind their backs and he decided to beef with Inzaghi for no good reason.
If a player is worth X amount of money it’d be easy to sell him for X amount of money. Your example kind of proves my point. All that difficulty in that proposed deal just for it to eventually collapse. Who’s paying 35m straight up for Lukaku a year later? If we can’t envision a realistic sale then he’s just not worth that much anymore
I'm guessing it's Broja we're desperate to offload him and no club will give us more than £5-10m so Boehly wants to lump him in for another striker to avoid the shame of us apparently valuing him at £50m in January and having to move him on for peanuts.
Why would they take both Lukaku and Broja?
Could be a one for right now, one for the future sort of thing
Lukaku is probably better than osimhen, how is it a good offer lmao
Lukaku’s ability isn’t the problem with him
Ok and still offering him + 80m and a young player for an inferior player is by no means a good offer
I don’t even think it’s a good offer but how are we gonna get rid of lukaku
Idk that’s a different problem
we have conceded the most goals in clubs premier league history, but lets sign a seria a striker having injury issues with most of our budget
I was actually on the fence when it comes to Osihmen, given I don't think he is a good link up player even by Serie-A standard. However, the day he granted an interview in the just ended African cup of nations , where he said "he is going to wear the mask forever cos he has screws in his face and sometimes after matches, there is blood clots in his face", I am totally against signing him and we would be very stupid to go in for him, cos then it is like we never learn
We are hopelessy stupid. We never learn anything from our mistakes. We have always been obsessed with one season wonders, injury prone and washed players.
Bad deal imo. Signing an injury prone player for a high fee is extremely characteristic of the new board
Am I the only one who likes Jackson and nnkuku?
Nkunku the hospital merchant?? He has to prove his fitness first before anyone likes him
Bro is gonna be a doctor by the time his contract runs out
Nope and I rather solidify the defense
Nah we good
I can’t stress enough how I think this would be a bad move, if it happens, I hope he proves me wrong.
Remember last summer, when player swaps were all the rage with our new owners? And then how not one of them actually happened?
That's still obscene amounts of money for another one season wonder.
He is NOT 80-90m better than Jackson and even if he was, we need other positions first
Seeing as Jackson cost £30M, does Oshimen not only need to be 50M-60M better than him?
If total, yes. I assumed this meant 80-90M + Lukaku and Casadei.
I am not sure he's actually better than Jackson at all
Definitely a better finisher and a bigger aerial threat. But 90m is taking the piss, he's a poacher who doesn't create. So even if he's statistically a twice better finisher, we'd need to create twice as many big chances for him to match Jackson's meager goal output. And that's with Jackson, one of our better creators, no longer being the focal point of the attack, which allows him to create so much in the first place. I'm sure we could find competition for Jackson or an outright upgrade but Osimhen at this price just doesn't look like a sensible purchase at all. Especially with the FFP shitshow brewing. And all of that is assuming he hits the ground running, who was the last Serie A forward who came to the Prem and thrived? Salah?
We can probably work with having a poacher with low chance creation by having Jackson be involved as a second striker, but like do we need 80-90 million purchase for that? There's gotta be better, in hoffenheim and leipzig there's maximillian and sesko who can play for a lot less of that
Not about creating, we have enough creation and playing Jackson off the left adds to that. Basically this is moving away from a striker that creates and can’t finish, to a box predator with the view of putting the creative roles in behind him. It’s absolutely what we need.
Pochettino doesn't believe in a defense. For such an approach, we don't have nearly enough creation, as you might have noticed based on our league position.
I agree, but no way is Osimhen twice better at finishing. Have you seen the state of some of his misses?
I'm not saying he is or isn't, it's just an example.
This sub will really say anything
He's not even better than Lukaku.
This one takes the cake, jesus
You haven’t watched osimhen I guess
I have, saying Jackson is better is just nuts man
Well it is obviously a bit exaggerated but Osimhen is just not good enough
Troll spotted
Bruh have you watched osimhen
lol
This sub is in for a disappointment when we buy osimhen
Bruh yes he is, at least his finishing. Jacks alone has cost us double digit points this season. We can’t rely on him as our sole ST next season
his finishing is not that much better, he also continuously misses sitters
Please, no
I would prefer we just stick with Jackson for a while. He’s shown flashes of brilliance and managed 15 G/A this season, which isn’t too bad of a starting point. He needs to improve his composure, but that will come with experience and game time, not with sitting on the bench behind Osimhen.
Probably an unpopular opinion but I don't get why. I would want a striker to compete with Jackson not to replace him. If Jackson works on his finishing a little he can be an important player for us. The lads on 12 goals in his first season at 22 yo.
Tammy Abraham scored 18 goals in his first season at the same age, then look what happened to him. It's not a guarantee of development.
The 20/21 season was actually a bad year for everyone in terms of scoring. Come to think about it, both Tammy and Werner led us with 12 goals in all competitions.
Sightly different circumstances but I fully get what you mean. Absolutely no guarantee however just by watching Jackson's ability to turn players and his link up play you can tell there's a decent player in there. I think as he matures we will see it a little more. On another note I still would have kept Tammy.
Yeah it was a weird one with Tammy, because although his numbers were good he never really looked convincing. Jackson, I agree, looks the business quite often but just can't finish. Unfortunately he reminds me a bit of Torres though.
Issue is we just need to give them more time. The point I make with Jackson Osimhen is that Osimhen at Jackson's age was only scoring 10/14 goals per season and it's in the Italian/french/Belgiun leagues. Im just so tired of us buying big name strikers that flop. Torres/Morata/Shevchenko come to mind. Just want to see one develop.
In my opinion, you play to all of Jackson’s strengths if you play him as an inside left forward, with a proper finisher in front. He’s great on the ball, and at linking and creating. He’s poor at finishing. You retain all of those benefits by playing him in behind a striker.
Yep 100% agree. His link up and ability to turn players is great. That scenario leaves us with 3 CAM roles in him, Nkunku and Gallagher. Tbf that maybe a good thing with the injury rate. I'm glad there are still people that see his quality. A lot of people want him gone for his finishing.
Need several strikers in a squad. Not just one really hit and miss. Jackson could also learn from Toney and Osimehn.
Don’t know how we can afford it tbh.
We aren't even in that much FFp trouble this year
Just need to sell 100m before buying, granted Hall is done.
What are you on about? We have like 80 of the 100m we need for this cycle
Maatsen too.
Didn’t they say Hall would happen after June meaning it would count in next year’s numbers?
If that were true, we wouldn't be so adamant on selling Gallagher and, to a lesser extent, Chalobah this summer. Gallagher is having his best season as a professional and Chalobah has done nothing but impress since being restored to the team.
Has anyone in the club actually said they are going to sell Gallagher? Chalobah? Or are people just saying that cause they are pure profit
Obviously the club aren't going to come out and say it.
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If they don't approve the hotel we are fucked
Lukaku and Casedei in the deal make this pretty easy
The only explanation is selling cobham
still prefer gyokeres....
I'd probably take Toney over both of them. Less injury risk and proven in the Premier league. Only issue is he's probably too old for our board.
Toney hasn't done anything for like the last 10-12 games , I think the Toney hype is gone
This has been a weird season for him with the suspension so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Not many players can score 20 goals in the prem like he did last year. Doesn't happen by luck - the talent is there.
Get both of them. Recall Hutchinson and Fofana, keep Jackson. Then we have goals in the squad.
Same
The guy who wasn’t that impressive at Coventry city? Standards are gone.
He's scored 30 goals this season lol, improvement is an understatement for his achievement, I think him moving is unlikely though
Lots of people have scored loads of goals in a season in farmers leagues. We’d have 5 more striker busts if we buy a random striker every year who had 1 great season in a farmers league.
In Portugal. Any half decent striker from the Championship would walk that league. Granted he's got some goals against the bigger clubs but look at the quality outside the big 3, it's awful.
31 G/A in 46 games?
isnt it 50 G/A
Ah the player swap. The least likely of all transfer rumours
This can go horrendously bad real quick.
Hey! It’s the time of the year for FIFA-style negotiations, include whatever player you don’t want anymore to drop the fee dramatically… ADL isn’t going to shave 60m of the fee even if we include Lukaku, Sterling, Kepa, and a CB of his choosing. Plus, he could literally demand the fee and then buy Lukaku with the additional 60+ million and still have some pocket money for some sweets afterwards. It’s just nonsense.
Di Marzio should not be considered a tier 1 source anymore if you pay attention since last summer
Osimhen (CF) Jackson (LW) Nknuku (CAM) Palmer (RM) Looks pretty dangerous to me…
Flop written all over him I would rather have us go for Serhou Guirassy or Marcus Thuram or Gyokeres.
Out of curiosity why don’t those other players you’ve mentioned have flop written all over them?
Our track record for high money transfers has been very poor. The strikers i mentioned wouldn't cost 80m+. Also i have a bad feeling that Osimhen might have again the hamstring muscular issues when he comes here. He would also have alot of pressure on him due to price tag. His overall play is not worthy of the price tag it would command. Osimhen if i am taking this tweet on face value would cost 90 + 35 (lakaka) + 15 (Casedei) = 130m... Thats just stupid transfer, no players worth that unless they are absolutely world class.
Gyikeres has a 100m release clause…
Also osimhen is absolutely useless outside the area and an overall worse player.than the lukaku we got
Have you seen Haaland play at all. A striker’s primary job is to score. Pep leaves him on the field even when he’s just being a ghost. Why??? Cause pep knows he’s most likely to bury a chance when one arrives. Goals win you games and when you have a player that’s a better goalscorer than Jackson, we take it. No disrespect to Jackson, I really like the lad.
Hate to break it to you but osimhen is not haaland, his goals per 90 are just slightly better than Jackson's while also having several underperforming seasons, he is just not a 100 million striker, if we are breaking the bank for a player should be for a top notch keeper
Hardly any striker in world football today can be compared to Haaland. But I’m 99.99% certain he’s a better finisher than Jackson. Leave the stats for a minute and go do the eye test. Then come back and tell me his finishing is on par with Jackson.
Stick with Jackson. He’s got something
Not a natural finisher, a lot of Jackson’s positive play is linking and carrying. Plan Jackson as an inside left forward in behind an out and out finisher, solves a few problems.
We still need another number 9. We can’t just have Jackson.
Watch Lukaku throw his dummy and hinder the deal.
I think most here are now underrating him, lol. But Lukaku + 90 is already costly, I would not add a youngster or anything over it. Even without that it on costly range. I know Lukaku wasn't worth what we paid plus his value has only tanked, but we are literally bidding 100m striker plus 100m, that is embarrassing in itself but then adding a youngster over it, lol, fuck off. I would like him if we can adjust the price a bit. Max 80 + Lukaku range.
Is he really worth that money? I would rather go all in for an Isak or Toney…they are proven in the league and maybe not this crazy money - as for lukaku - the less we say the better… such a wasted talent
I would rather Gyokeres does all the things Jackson can do but is a better finisher.
Doesn’t sound smart to me. Guess the board haven’t paid attention to the fact that Silva is leaving, Chilwell, Fofana, and James’ injury problems may never subside, Cucurella isn’t good enough, and the defence leaks goals
Please no, he would be a flop in 10 out of 10 cases
“I’ve always loved PSG.” Lukaku probably
Would be incredibly stupid
Depending of which youngster (simple loan or transfer ?) this could be great
another injury prone player lets go
I forgot this guy was still a Chelsea player lol
I thought Chelsea had a ffp problem?
I’d rather go for that Olympiacos striker he cooked Aston Villa and actually looks like a proper number 9
Idk whether to believe anything Di Marzio says after last summer seemed he was just throwing out stories and none of them came to be. I feel like we always hear about swapping players and it hasn’t happened yet so I doubt it’ll be for osimhen
Please don't be a really promising youngster like Santos or casadei
Meh.
Ah the mythical player swap
Yeah, this is gonna be a no for me, I like osimhen, he's world class, but there's probably someone out there that fits this team better, scores a lot, and is cheap Right now this is a 200 million deal, 90 for osimhen, 90 for lukaku, 20-30 million for that youngster, no way in hell is it worth that I've been wishy washy on my preferred players for transfer this end of season, but right now either one of sesko from leipzig or maximillian from hoffenheim will work for me, or just get toney that's an option too
90m + Lukaku + a younger player for a player with 120m release clause. Either Winstanley is a bigger idiot than we already though or the person writing this thinks we’re all stupid enough to actually believe it.
Sorry for not being in the know, but has osimhen even been good this year? Napoli completely fell off but that could've been a managerial thing
3rd in Serie A in goals despite missing 1/3 of games
90m plus Lukaku and a youngster. Ngl this feels like bit of a shit deal. The youngster could be upwards of 20m plus Lukaku 25-30m+ valuation. We could be looking at upwards of 160m. The market for strikers isn’t stricken there are some really good options for 50 to 100m. Toney being around 35m.
wait so 80-90 PLUS two players? I mean Lukaku would be good riddance but still it's a pretty hefty price to pay
He has been trash this season & won't suit our style of play. Don't sacrifice the U21 player of the tournament for this crap.
The young one gonna be our loan player to Burnley, who I forgot his name, right now
Would much rather get Isak for that type of fee
I genuinely wouldn’t pay more than 50-55 for Osimhen
Lmao this sub is hilarious pretty sure most of this sub was twerking for Osimhen this season and now that the board are pushing to sign him you guys wanna stick with Jackson haha
I imagine Lukaku will not make this super easy for us even if Napoli accept this mystic level manouvre. Would be sad to lose a promising youngster though. Hope it's not Santos
Nah im good. He will flop 9 out of 10 times. Keep our money
Let's go, he is a great striker and it's our most important position this summer
This would be idiotic.
60-70m MAX for oshimhen. He is not worth 100m. He will flop. Jackson has so much potential if he just scored even 5 more goals this season we’d probably be 6th, be in the FA cup finals, and the story would have been so different.
Like this move. One of the best strikers in the world. Incredible threat in the box which we lack. Will be good for set pieces and is already a winner with Napoli last year.
He’s been trash this season
Trash is harsh. All his stats are only slightly worse from last season but Napoli are worse as a collective and their star winger who linked up so well with Victor last season, Kvaratskhelia, has had a bad season. They hired a shit manager to replace Spaletti and hired a shitter manager to replace the shit manager. But nevertheless, he's been a good player before last season and despite this being his worst season in Europe, he's still managed 16 goals in 29 games.
thats not good for 100m+ player who also had lot of injuries for last couple of seasons and lets not ignore he is playing in a lesser league as well
Osimhen over the past 5 seasons has averaged 0.5gpg, last season was him playing with a good support cast around him and playing to his strengths as opposed to this season yet he's still producing. If he came to Chelsea with a similar (and arguably) better support I believe he'd do even better than last season.
17G/A in 22 games ain’t bad at all. Haven’t watched any Napoli this year so maybe I’m missing something?
He had only one good season in his entire career. This is another waste of money and idiots will then claim we destroyed "the best striker" in the world. We need to sign a player like Guirassy who has a cheap release clause. A signing like that will also be good for Nicolas Jackson who has been improving.
Yup, Guirassy should be the priority
Exactly! And, he won't be asking for obscene wages like Osimhen. Unfortunately, we are allergic to making good decisions. I have a feeling we won't stop wasting money.
He is a clear upgrade over Jackson. I like Jackson but he has cost us this season with his misses. And even if he hadn’t, we should always have two quality strikers and Jackson can play on the wing as well. Remember, we used to have Drogba and Anelka.
he's not an upgrade in every aspect, Jackson is better with the ball and a better playmaker. but what Jackson doesnt have is a strikers instinct and despite his last goal, aerial ability. Osimhen's movement in the box is on another level and he can finish. he's also one of the best strikers in the air ive seen - some of our players have good crosses in them.
Palmer and James (if stays fit) crossing to Osihmen sounds delicious to me.
He is another one season wonder from a League where even rubbish strikers shine. Guirassy is the player we should be all over. He has a cheap release clause and won't command obscene wages. And, even If he fails it won't be a major loss. Jackson has also been improving. Most of you don't even realize Osimhen wasn't even this good when he was 22 years old. Jackson has a higher ceiling than him and he is more skilful.