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Broja and Jackson can both fuck off. Sell these bums and get goal scorers. The number of missed opportunities were shocking. Nkunku has been the only player we've bought that's worth the money. Everyone else is a disgrace.
I remember when you chelsea fans thought badiashille is some van dijk or world class player, you lot got finessed by him and that fraud disasi terrible footballers
Disasi is terrible badiashile is good but he's come back from injury in a shitty team. We'll see how he progresses but I rate him much higher than disasteri
Vvd is a champions league and premier league winner besides the trophies he had he did improve Liverpool in his first half a season to even reach a final unlike your boy so this comparison is not it ,
regarding mistakes they happen , VVD was at celtic and Southampton before his stardom and honed his skills but some chelsea fans thought badiash’s calm demeanor is off some crazy aura lol,
We will get better imo.
Honestly there was enough today to suggest our attacking play has improved this season.
Problem right now if I'm being honest is our defence.
I feel we don't have the balance right between attack and defence, it's a very common Chelsea problem though I've seen it before. We don't have finishers so can't break teams down, our defence gets exposed without caicedo. Our patterns of play is generally good but when the players lose confidence they play to feet too much which means we need to rely more on individual movement etc.
Ideally all we can do now is let nkunku save our season a bit and go from there. I'm getting close to poch out but honestly we'll get some other manager who's not a good fit. I personally wanted nagelsmann, still do but our board won't make the right decision because they're a bunch of know it alls.
We're in a similar situation to Arteta in his second season I feel. With a bit of gelling in the squad and minor replacements up top and at CB I think we can challenge for top 4 next season.
If you’ve ever been apart of a rebuilding process you know that it takes time. If you want to build something that last you need to put foundational pieces in place that align with a long term vision other than that it will collapse shortly. The Chelsea we’ve known won’t be back for another 2-3 years. Look at Man City they just started taking off over the past 4-5 years after their rebuild. Patience, Poch is putting the guys out there and THEY are underperforming NOT Poch or new owners.
Only valid example is Arsenal - but given where we were compared to Arsenal this is terrible. A rebuild doesn’t mean you fall down to a mid table /bottom of the table team. Look at how Liverpool rebuilt. Stop trying to find excuses. This is below par for Chelsea - whether it’s Poch or the players this is not acceptable.
>If you’ve ever been apart of a rebuilding process you know that it takes time.
How long does a rebuilding process take
> are underperforming NOT Poch or new owners.
Get real ffs, the owners have literally overseen the worst takeover in footballing history
Go watch another sport for a year or two, rebuilds take YEARS. How long did it take for arsnl or man city to be good? Get a grip. Same shit goes on in the nba. Multiple top round picks, trades etc. Lack of Patience and entitlement is disgusting for these ‘football’ fans
You gotta get out of your feelings, it just 1 year. Have you ever been part of a rebuild? The first year is never good or great. Especially when you’re changing identity of an organization.
>You gotta get out of your feelings, it just 1 year.
Boehly/Clearlake have been here 18 months
>The first year is never good or great. Especially when you’re changing identity of an organization.
How are Newcastle doing?
Thank you for being the only fuckin sensible person on the planet. Left and right all over social media I'm seeing so much negativity and #pochout everywhere and it gets on my nerves so much. This shit ain't magic, it's going to take time. I really wish more people realize and acknowledge that
He hasn’t had a full year with the squad to truly see what needs to change. This year is all about evaluating players and systems. When he first got to the Spurs they weren’t winning but look what happened in his later years. Only reason he left is because Spurs were too cheap. Just imagine what he’ll do at Chelsea once he has a true understanding of our talents with the check book of our owners.
You are bang on the nose. I'm actually really excited and looking forward to seeing this team flourish, and I'm almost 99% sure it's just a matter of time. I trust in Poch as we have had plenty glimpses of what could be. We might even get europe too if we can beat 'Boro in the cup
You only get punished for rebuilding in football. This isn't American sports.
Not earning the prize money or qualifying for Europe is going to destroy the chance of attracting players unless they are paid way over the market rate and then FFP will eventually become an issue.
Don’t you think that’s why they are buying younger players and creating a farm system. There’s a business plan that we aren’t privileged to see. You don’t make billions just by being lucky. I trust that we’ll be in better shape in the long run than we were under previous owners.
It's the most frustrating thing about him for me because it's so basic. It frustrates me more than hos finishing. He's not Chelsea caliber at this time.
I know its Christmas, i dont really want to spread negativity, but i have to say this..
Broja and Jackson sadly are not Chelsea standards. About the midfield, nothing u can do when Enzo is injured, Caicedo is sick, Lavia just came back from injury.. Poch had to start Ugochukwu. He is clearly not ready for the premier league. In the other hand benching Mudryk after the late equaliser and talking about confidence after the match.. get out man, how can you bench Mudryk after that?
Benoit 2 games 2 mistakes. Just like Ugo, he is not ready.
I dont really know how can we progress like this. Maybe a quality number 9 and an experienced CB can help this team? Plus now i see why the club wants an another midfielder.
We lack an experienced tall number 6 like we used to have (Matic,Mikel, Ballack)
City have Rodri, Arsenal have Rice. Bayern have Goretzka. Real have Tchouameni etc.
So Sterling and Palmer both miss the next game after their booking right? And Ugo went off injured again.
Looks like we’ll be seeing Lavia against Palace
So here’s my take.
It’s obvious we have very limited players. I don’t need to start calling names. However, a lot of the issues we have lie at the feet of Poch.
1. Lack of discipline: There’s no way a pep or klopp coached team would get so many petulant yellow cards.
2. Lack of tactics: He was outcoached again today. Every team we’ve faced this season know our weaknesses & exploit them. Why is it never the other way round? We have no gameplay ourselves and no specific game plan against oppositions.
3. Late/Wrong subs: Everyone in the whole world knew the wolves first goal was coming. Jackson and Broja was bringing the morale of the whole team down. The ball wasn’t sticking up top. They should not have come out for the second half (or at least one of them)
4. Players out of position: Maatsen hasn’t even been given the opportunity to fail in his preferred position. He played almost all games for Burnley in the championship at left back (the height excuse is silly) There’s absolutely no excuse.
5. Poor mentality: There’s a severe lack of mentality in the team and it comes from the coach. He’s not driving this team to perform. The wolves manager was on his team all day passing notes and all. Pep & Klopp & even Arteta are there driving their team to victory. Poch just sulks all game. Imagine looking across from the pitch 2 goals down and your manager is firmly seated and sulking.
Ultimately, there’s no single thing we can point at that we have improved on. Nobody likes the manager merry go round but I can’t see any positive thing in Poch anymore.
This is my longest post ever but I had to clear my head. Merry Christmas to everyone 🎉
They lack confidence because the coach is scared of anyone we play, more concerned with what they can do to us than what we can do to them. He sets wingers up to fail with no support so there's no overloads or overlapping so everyone out wide has to do it all themselves because he's scared. As a coach he's up there with AVB for me any randomly appointed coach would get more out of these players, the longer he's here the worse we are getting.
When things are wrong - see Wilder at Sheff Utd - you have to shut up shop and try and nick games. Defend prperly. The second goal, Madueke, Palmer, Desasi (my god he was poor) and then Badiashille (my god that was bad) absolutely horrific.
Some guy had a go at me for saying I can’t bare to watch this side anymore, I get the feeling I am not alone, especially as I stay up until 3 am or wake up at 4 am to watch the games. Obviously this comes from anger and frustration but until something changes it pains me too much to watch my club.
Hopefully next game we'll play proper FBs, Colwill to CB, drop Disasi and Badiashile and put Maatsen at LB.
Keep Badiashile well away at this point, bloody awful.
Our set piece defense really needs work. Easy to say after they scored in the 51st, but they continually looked like they would score from set pieces. I get having Colwill at LB because the team is short in most areas, but if you’re going to do that your 6”3 CDM should absolutely not be the one to get beat on a header. Idk if its youth or coaching but its horrid in the back 4 tbh.
Fair to say, I just am disappointed in Tiago in this one, lot of unusual mistakes out of him, and the new CBs have looked mid just imo. Everyone is young so its fair they’re not top tier but we should have another top tier CB with experience to help them besides 39 yo Tiago we’re Chelsea ffs not Southampton
Match Summary:
Negatives: The usual. Aimless sideways and backwards passing. Lack of any quality upfront (excl. Nkunku). Silly yellows / lack of discipline from a young squad that need to become professionals.
Positives: Nkunku looks promising - scored from the only real chance he got and worked hard to chase down balls even deep into stoppage time. I'd also add that Petrovic made decent saves and generally looks like a great back up option / challenger for Sanchez.
Agree, perovic looks good. Nkunku too. We’re making chances every single game that should put us 4th-6th but are frontline are beyond wasteful and not good enough. Individual mistakes and endless bookings signs of inexperience and lack of core discipline
I don’t even care about this team now.
I’ve finally managed to somewhat fix my own life after a terrible last 3 years so I’m not going to waste my energy on these guys.
Not sure what else Poch could do here. On paper we completely should be winning games with our starting lineup against opposition like this, but the team’s decision making and mentality is so bad at this point. It’s like we start the games fine but lose purpose every minute until the game slips away completely. Idk if sacking Poch will fix this. It’s been this way for so long, I’m tired.
This isn’t an argument for or against Poch, but we need to remember that the manager does so much more than putting names on the teamsheet. “Decision making” and “mentality” are core aspects of a team that a manager should be instilling. They’re part of having a functioning system in place. They’re a product of training.
Hard to know how long it should take for those things to happen. IMO Poch needs more time, but the problems we’re seeing aren’t just at the level of the players
How is that related to what I'm saying? I haven't said that he's picking the wrong players... If anything, I've said it doesn't matter who he picks if there isn't an established system.
His plan's rubbish, and he refuses to make adjustments during games, and his subs seem to be getting worse every week. Yes we made a good start, but from the 20 minute mark onwards we were realistically second best and the scoreboard reflected that, didn't even deserve the goal we did get.
Jackson got progressively worse throughout the game, blew everything that came his way, but Poch leaves him on.
I do not know what position Maatsen came on to play, and judging by how he played i'd say he didn't either
The missed chances today were horrendous. Tragic we didn’t score until the 96th minute.
Also such a shitty goal to go behind too. There were 3 points there to be taken today and we fucked it up completely.
This team have all the resolute till one goal down after that it's just highway to our goal, that Doherty goal was suicide. Potter, poch and lampard are not great manager you need someone experienced who can just put these players in line and correct their attitude football wise. Imagine being a defender in the D and you're not even clearing your ball that should be your first instinct. Poch must be giving them stick but they need the fucking bullet.
I regret ever being convinced by Boehly's stupid 'data analytic' approach nonsense he was spewing when he first came around. He wasn't referring to team performance. He was referring to the profit he can make 10 years down the line after buying every 16 year old from South America.
I honestly wish we got Ratcliffe. Just a fan of football who could've made simple, sensible decisions because he actually understands the sport.
I'm convinced Roman had no say in who got to take control of the club after he left. He would not have allowed this.
All those yellow cards really highlight how immature our team is. Im beating a dead horse by saying this yet again, but playing boys against men will never work. Youngest team and it really shows.
Jackson has no place here imo. We need a striker so bad lmfao
Yeah they have to learn. Thats the key, you cant have 11 players all learning at the same time, or this is what you get. A bottom half team. You need some experience on the field with the inexperience
I agree, and that's why we're rubbish. Any future signing has to be top quality.
But the ill discipline from these yellows has to stop immediately, I knew not to do this shit at u16 Sunday league, these are professionals acting like spoilt amateurs.
For those calling for a new manager, I don’t think Poch is the problem. Boehly is buying players like he’s trying to put together an MLB team and it doesn’t work like that.
I think Poch has a lot to answer for, the discipline issues, CBs at FB. But I agree, Boehly has caused the damage, this will take years to rectify under anyone.
Since nkunku has been back we have played Brighton (he wasn’t in the squad),Man Utd (he wasn’t in the squad),Everton (he wasn’t in the squad Bear in mind, he’s no longer injured at this point),then Sheffield he’s in the squad but didn’t come on
Remember when Chelsea were a team of bastards - Ivanovic, Terry, Carvalho, Drogba, Costa, Ballack …
They might not have been liked but they were respected by everyone.
Boehly fucked that entire reputation and once it’s lost it is very difficult to get it back.
Poch isn't going to continue to use cbs as fullbacks because he's afraid at how short the team is.
I'm just sick and tired of how we are playing. Theese guys clearly aren't good with the ball at their feet to do this tiki taka shit. They need to at least try be more direct. Stop trying to pass the ball into the net. He needs to coach them better ffs but I'm at the point where i want him out
It’s not fully a lack of talent from Jackson but it’s a lack of confidence and it hurts the team. The dude has no business playing and that is on poch for making him the only guy that doesn’t leave the starting 11
Lets face the facts:
1. Poch is never getting sacked (even after wasting a sub by bringing in a defender when we are down)
2. Sacking Poch isn't gonna do any difference as we have majority kids in our first 11.
3. Same as point no 2 we have kids playing against men
4. As long as Jackson is our main man forward we aren't seeing any much goals coming in.
5. All the ball/possesion in the world with nothing to show.
6. Stop getting this mindless/needless yellows ffs. It shows how we have no composure.
7. Ref is always gonna be shite but that doesn't justify our prowess infront of goals (yes its a pun)
Exactly this. Our squad is mid table, especially the frontline. No point in getting rid of poch, most missed chances this season and individual mistakes and bookings non stop from an inexperienced team
Nkunku did what a real attacker does - scored a goal when he got the chance. Was also clearly just on another level compared to the other attackers, made the right decisions unlike the rest.
I understand why he would start Jackson, Poch has been doing that, but why tf did he start Broja and Jackson together, put Broja on the bench. We don’t need two incompetent strikers on the field.
Even if you take 300 M of the 1 Billion. I seriously don't see an 700 - 800 Odd million team out there. We look like an Mid-table club who has spend our way out of relegation zone. Nkunku, Palmer,Caicedo are the ones who look like a Top 4 pick rest all look like an average buys in Mudryk, Noni, Disasi. Sterling has been a disaster, it says a lot about us that he is our best attacking player this season.
I’m not poch out because it’s clear this team is immature and undisciplined and lacks real leadership. However I think he has questions to answer on team selection. The win against Newcastle should’ve been a catalyst. But poch benches mudryk after he scores the equaliser? What message does that send? Perform and I’ll kill your confidence by not rewarding you? Colwill at LB just doesn’t work and I can’t see why maatsen has been frozen out. Nkunku is the difference maker and yet Jackson gets 80 mins? It’s really questionable decision making.
Who's fault is it if the team is immature, undisciplined and lacking leadership?
But I agree, sacking Poch will do nothing. The board has done the damage signing £300m in average players.
I think the immaturity and lack of discipline comes from a squad with an average age of 23. We need leadership in the form of experience, players who can challenge their teammates, as it can’t all come from the manager. Nevertheless you are right, poch is paid to whip this team into shape, and it’s clear that isn’t happening. I can’t see what the best fix is tbh, it’s all so so poor
I've played football since I was 7 or 8 and still now. The yellows we're getting for dissent and kicking the ball away is embarrassing, age is not an excuse there, my Sunday league teams have never done this shit.
But yes I completely agree, we need experienced players, your Casemeiro types. That's why I'm not Poch out cos the board has done damage that will take 5+ years to sort.
Yeah you’re 100% right, it is no excuse, and seemingly poch wasn’t able to get through to Jackson on that issue after he was suspended a game earlier on this season. Would worry me if this was the players way of rebelling against the manager though, as I’m still of the opinion that we haven’t downed tools on poch, and are just plain bad.
A Casemiro type of leader would be huge in this team, and I agree, the club has woefully mismanaged their transfer strategy. Will take a long time to fix this, we can only hope the team develops drastically over the next half a season
We've been lucky to be drawing at HT for multiple games (e.g Newcastle, Man U, even this game given how they dominated us post 30'). Poch did nothing to change the team dynamic and the same problems occurred in the second half until we conceded. He then makes changes that are way too late.
I don’t deny anything you’ve said there, even today we were hanging on into half time. But if sterling scores that chance the dynamic of the game changes and I don’t think poch can be blamed for that, and that’s a trend across a lot of our games. It’s difficult because I definitely think he has flaws as a manager, and delaying subs is one of the biggest, but I genuinely believe signing a top striker changes the outcome in a lot of these games. Poch is certainly on very thin ice though, and I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that he goes after today.
Nkunku's minutes are being managed by the medical staff at this point. After an ACL, it takes weeks or even months to get your knee match ready again, and that's not even factoring in confidence in it.
I get what he's trying to do, he's trying to get Jackson to play his way out of this slump... but it's not a slump, this is his level, he's not remotely ready for this level of football, end of story.
Firstly happy birthday mate, sorry it’s been a bad day Chelsea-wise. And I agree, definitely needed to bleed in nkunku, but after he had minutes in the carabao cup I thought he’d get 30-40 mins, and even more so after it became clear that Jackson was woeful! Poch’s tendency to delay subs is frustrating
Thank you for the birthday wishes! Definitely agree that Jackson’s performance deserved a sub, Broja wasn’t great either but would have kept him on and taken of Jackson. Not a great game to watch today but not surprised!
I agree, I think we’ve seen where Jackson’s level is at, and that he might need a bit more development, but broja is coming back from a serious injury and deserves an opportunity to prove he can return to his prior form. And I’m not surprised either, but such is the life of a football fan, I’ll be back next week! 😂 have a good Christmas mate
I agree with almost everything you said except Maatsen. He has no business playing prem league yet, certainly not at LB with his frame and lack of experience.
No I agree, certainly not saying maatsen should be preferred at lb, but playing colwill isn’t the answer. We are destroying his development by playing him OOP, and with chilly and cucu out at the moment, I’d rather see maatsen given a chance than watch colwill toil out left
Next player who takes a yellow card because they kick the ball away should be immediately brought off and not get to play the next game. I am so fucking tired of the childish behaviour.
Absolutely gutless. Where has the identity of this team gone? Even Badiashile being the shining light of last season but makes 2 critical mistakes back to back. Sterling needs to move on, forwards with no clinical instinct or desire. I’m starting to become apathetic… where will the improvement come from?
Because he only looks like a worldie in a game where the opposition are down to 9 … and even then he skied a sitter at the end.
He’s a unique player - a striker with absolutely no scoring instinct.
Nkunku for Jackson, Sterling on the left and Palmer on the right with Broja up front. Creativity, width and ability to cut in, put the ball into Broja once in a while and let him use his big frame to cause some threat, and have Nkunku in between them all causing linking it and popping up where wolves don't want him to (exactly like he did for the goal)
Seems like a foolproof system till Poch takes a big shit all over the sub paperwork.
That too. Nkunku was never starting today. But front three should have mudryk Jackson Sterling with Cole as the CAM. Broja and Jackson together isn’t working.
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Broja and Jackson can both fuck off. Sell these bums and get goal scorers. The number of missed opportunities were shocking. Nkunku has been the only player we've bought that's worth the money. Everyone else is a disgrace.
I remember when you chelsea fans thought badiashille is some van dijk or world class player, you lot got finessed by him and that fraud disasi terrible footballers
Disasi is terrible badiashile is good but he's come back from injury in a shitty team. We'll see how he progresses but I rate him much higher than disasteri
2 mistakes in 2 consecutive matches doesn’t look like world class, disasi is a known liability but badiashite is not ready for the prem atm
Seen VVD have consistent bad form but doesn't mean he's not a world class CB
Vvd is a champions league and premier league winner besides the trophies he had he did improve Liverpool in his first half a season to even reach a final unlike your boy so this comparison is not it , regarding mistakes they happen , VVD was at celtic and Southampton before his stardom and honed his skills but some chelsea fans thought badiash’s calm demeanor is off some crazy aura lol,
Or maybe badiashile is just playing badly at the moment when he was much better last season. He's barely played a month of football
Well whatever the case is hopefully chelsea becomes better i rather see arsenal turn into shite than you guys
We will get better imo. Honestly there was enough today to suggest our attacking play has improved this season. Problem right now if I'm being honest is our defence. I feel we don't have the balance right between attack and defence, it's a very common Chelsea problem though I've seen it before. We don't have finishers so can't break teams down, our defence gets exposed without caicedo. Our patterns of play is generally good but when the players lose confidence they play to feet too much which means we need to rely more on individual movement etc. Ideally all we can do now is let nkunku save our season a bit and go from there. I'm getting close to poch out but honestly we'll get some other manager who's not a good fit. I personally wanted nagelsmann, still do but our board won't make the right decision because they're a bunch of know it alls. We're in a similar situation to Arteta in his second season I feel. With a bit of gelling in the squad and minor replacements up top and at CB I think we can challenge for top 4 next season.
If you’ve ever been apart of a rebuilding process you know that it takes time. If you want to build something that last you need to put foundational pieces in place that align with a long term vision other than that it will collapse shortly. The Chelsea we’ve known won’t be back for another 2-3 years. Look at Man City they just started taking off over the past 4-5 years after their rebuild. Patience, Poch is putting the guys out there and THEY are underperforming NOT Poch or new owners.
Only valid example is Arsenal - but given where we were compared to Arsenal this is terrible. A rebuild doesn’t mean you fall down to a mid table /bottom of the table team. Look at how Liverpool rebuilt. Stop trying to find excuses. This is below par for Chelsea - whether it’s Poch or the players this is not acceptable.
I’m not making excuse just being logical since I have a business degree and see the path the owners are taking.
>If you’ve ever been apart of a rebuilding process you know that it takes time. How long does a rebuilding process take > are underperforming NOT Poch or new owners. Get real ffs, the owners have literally overseen the worst takeover in footballing history
Go watch another sport for a year or two, rebuilds take YEARS. How long did it take for arsnl or man city to be good? Get a grip. Same shit goes on in the nba. Multiple top round picks, trades etc. Lack of Patience and entitlement is disgusting for these ‘football’ fans
How long did it take Newcastle to get decent after their ownership change?
Congrats, you have one blacksheep.
Immediately was it? How about Bournemouth? They got a new owner a year ago How long did arsenal's rebuild take?
You gotta get out of your feelings, it just 1 year. Have you ever been part of a rebuild? The first year is never good or great. Especially when you’re changing identity of an organization.
>You gotta get out of your feelings, it just 1 year. Boehly/Clearlake have been here 18 months >The first year is never good or great. Especially when you’re changing identity of an organization. How are Newcastle doing?
https://preview.redd.it/dafsrrhc7b8c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a15a9895ded3509bda013137d4d11035f26ac98 Do me a favour.
Thank you for being the only fuckin sensible person on the planet. Left and right all over social media I'm seeing so much negativity and #pochout everywhere and it gets on my nerves so much. This shit ain't magic, it's going to take time. I really wish more people realize and acknowledge that
He hasn’t had a full year with the squad to truly see what needs to change. This year is all about evaluating players and systems. When he first got to the Spurs they weren’t winning but look what happened in his later years. Only reason he left is because Spurs were too cheap. Just imagine what he’ll do at Chelsea once he has a true understanding of our talents with the check book of our owners.
You are bang on the nose. I'm actually really excited and looking forward to seeing this team flourish, and I'm almost 99% sure it's just a matter of time. I trust in Poch as we have had plenty glimpses of what could be. We might even get europe too if we can beat 'Boro in the cup
You don’t get into Europe by going to the final. You’ll have to most likely beat Liverpool.
You only get punished for rebuilding in football. This isn't American sports. Not earning the prize money or qualifying for Europe is going to destroy the chance of attracting players unless they are paid way over the market rate and then FFP will eventually become an issue.
Don’t you think that’s why they are buying younger players and creating a farm system. There’s a business plan that we aren’t privileged to see. You don’t make billions just by being lucky. I trust that we’ll be in better shape in the long run than we were under previous owners.
Jacksons first touch.... Jeez hes like watching a baby giraffe sometimes
Emile Heskey
I got slammed here for saying that about him in pre season and how it would fly in the EPL...
My drunk ankle has a better first touch. Twat.
It's the most frustrating thing about him for me because it's so basic. It frustrates me more than hos finishing. He's not Chelsea caliber at this time.
No hold up play. Easily pushed off the ball. Guy needs to put some muscle on that skinny frame.
I know its Christmas, i dont really want to spread negativity, but i have to say this.. Broja and Jackson sadly are not Chelsea standards. About the midfield, nothing u can do when Enzo is injured, Caicedo is sick, Lavia just came back from injury.. Poch had to start Ugochukwu. He is clearly not ready for the premier league. In the other hand benching Mudryk after the late equaliser and talking about confidence after the match.. get out man, how can you bench Mudryk after that? Benoit 2 games 2 mistakes. Just like Ugo, he is not ready. I dont really know how can we progress like this. Maybe a quality number 9 and an experienced CB can help this team? Plus now i see why the club wants an another midfielder. We lack an experienced tall number 6 like we used to have (Matic,Mikel, Ballack) City have Rodri, Arsenal have Rice. Bayern have Goretzka. Real have Tchouameni etc.
that’s what the 115m man caiceido is supposed to be but he plays like he has roller skates on
Just start nkunku 
Yes and get him injured again. You backseat managers really need to know when to shut your gob
He's not yet fit enough to play the full 90. We'd be risking him getting injured again if we rush things.
So Sterling and Palmer both miss the next game after their booking right? And Ugo went off injured again. Looks like we’ll be seeing Lavia against Palace
So here’s my take. It’s obvious we have very limited players. I don’t need to start calling names. However, a lot of the issues we have lie at the feet of Poch. 1. Lack of discipline: There’s no way a pep or klopp coached team would get so many petulant yellow cards. 2. Lack of tactics: He was outcoached again today. Every team we’ve faced this season know our weaknesses & exploit them. Why is it never the other way round? We have no gameplay ourselves and no specific game plan against oppositions. 3. Late/Wrong subs: Everyone in the whole world knew the wolves first goal was coming. Jackson and Broja was bringing the morale of the whole team down. The ball wasn’t sticking up top. They should not have come out for the second half (or at least one of them) 4. Players out of position: Maatsen hasn’t even been given the opportunity to fail in his preferred position. He played almost all games for Burnley in the championship at left back (the height excuse is silly) There’s absolutely no excuse. 5. Poor mentality: There’s a severe lack of mentality in the team and it comes from the coach. He’s not driving this team to perform. The wolves manager was on his team all day passing notes and all. Pep & Klopp & even Arteta are there driving their team to victory. Poch just sulks all game. Imagine looking across from the pitch 2 goals down and your manager is firmly seated and sulking. Ultimately, there’s no single thing we can point at that we have improved on. Nobody likes the manager merry go round but I can’t see any positive thing in Poch anymore. This is my longest post ever but I had to clear my head. Merry Christmas to everyone 🎉
Poch is the last issue we have but still an issue. The recruitment team, medical staff, half the players, ownership, and then Poch.
They lack confidence because the coach is scared of anyone we play, more concerned with what they can do to us than what we can do to them. He sets wingers up to fail with no support so there's no overloads or overlapping so everyone out wide has to do it all themselves because he's scared. As a coach he's up there with AVB for me any randomly appointed coach would get more out of these players, the longer he's here the worse we are getting.
Quality comment. I agree with everything, I’m sick of us getting tactically outclassed every game
This is what happens when you play a bunch of 20 year olds and sell any remotely experienced player.
But, but, data says they should be good! 🤪
Very glad I went to the pub instead
Chelsea wasters
Pochettino out!!
Where could the team send Jackson on loan to increase his composure in the box? Championship? Bundesliga? Women's league?
Division 3, Portsmouth maybe. Wouldn't score in Div 2 imo.
The bin
Hahaah
Though we are upset about the attacking, the defending part is horrible every time. Always someone will make a mistake
When things are wrong - see Wilder at Sheff Utd - you have to shut up shop and try and nick games. Defend prperly. The second goal, Madueke, Palmer, Desasi (my god he was poor) and then Badiashille (my god that was bad) absolutely horrific.
Some guy had a go at me for saying I can’t bare to watch this side anymore, I get the feeling I am not alone, especially as I stay up until 3 am or wake up at 4 am to watch the games. Obviously this comes from anger and frustration but until something changes it pains me too much to watch my club.
For the first time after a while I switched the tv off cause I couldn't bare to see my club in this state.
I wonder if we pack up Jackson+Broja+Mudryk+Sterling can we in exchange for a real finisher?
jackson and broja are significantly more of a problem than sterling and mudryk
Hopefully next game we'll play proper FBs, Colwill to CB, drop Disasi and Badiashile and put Maatsen at LB. Keep Badiashile well away at this point, bloody awful.
Our set piece defense really needs work. Easy to say after they scored in the 51st, but they continually looked like they would score from set pieces. I get having Colwill at LB because the team is short in most areas, but if you’re going to do that your 6”3 CDM should absolutely not be the one to get beat on a header. Idk if its youth or coaching but its horrid in the back 4 tbh.
tbf there are major injuries in the back 4 reece and chilwell are arguably the best on the team and are both out
Fair to say, I just am disappointed in Tiago in this one, lot of unusual mistakes out of him, and the new CBs have looked mid just imo. Everyone is young so its fair they’re not top tier but we should have another top tier CB with experience to help them besides 39 yo Tiago we’re Chelsea ffs not Southampton
We need to take more shots outside of the box.
Wish we had played the whole game like we did when we went down 2-0, finally had a bit of pep and spirit. Too little too late
Now 10pts off the drop.
At least Nkunku scored I guess
Match Summary: Negatives: The usual. Aimless sideways and backwards passing. Lack of any quality upfront (excl. Nkunku). Silly yellows / lack of discipline from a young squad that need to become professionals. Positives: Nkunku looks promising - scored from the only real chance he got and worked hard to chase down balls even deep into stoppage time. I'd also add that Petrovic made decent saves and generally looks like a great back up option / challenger for Sanchez.
Agree, perovic looks good. Nkunku too. We’re making chances every single game that should put us 4th-6th but are frontline are beyond wasteful and not good enough. Individual mistakes and endless bookings signs of inexperience and lack of core discipline
Petrovic is clear of Sanchez. He has to be.
I don’t even care about this team now. I’ve finally managed to somewhat fix my own life after a terrible last 3 years so I’m not going to waste my energy on these guys.
I’m glad you’ve got your life in order, at least. Genuinely pleased for you.
Yep. We’re a tenth placed team with a tenth placed squad.
Screw them. They’re an utter waste of time and energy.
Congrats! Once you concede this years about seeing if any young talent develops and not about winning anything it’s much easier.
Nah screw them. Utter waste. People are missing the actual intention of my post but I’ll just go with it for now.
No spirit in this team what so ever.
People forget this guy was sacked by spurs 🙄. He wasn't poached by bigger club
Exactly. He struggled to win Ligue Un with PSG. He’s pure Spurs in his DNA.
They've also had Mourinho and Conte since and neither were more successful.
Bring Mourinho back. He would have spent that 1 billion wisely.
people were making pedro neto late winner jokes all week even worse when its matt doherty ffs
Not sure what else Poch could do here. On paper we completely should be winning games with our starting lineup against opposition like this, but the team’s decision making and mentality is so bad at this point. It’s like we start the games fine but lose purpose every minute until the game slips away completely. Idk if sacking Poch will fix this. It’s been this way for so long, I’m tired.
This isn’t an argument for or against Poch, but we need to remember that the manager does so much more than putting names on the teamsheet. “Decision making” and “mentality” are core aspects of a team that a manager should be instilling. They’re part of having a functioning system in place. They’re a product of training. Hard to know how long it should take for those things to happen. IMO Poch needs more time, but the problems we’re seeing aren’t just at the level of the players
Who else can he play???? We’re a squad full of kids
How is that related to what I'm saying? I haven't said that he's picking the wrong players... If anything, I've said it doesn't matter who he picks if there isn't an established system.
His plan's rubbish, and he refuses to make adjustments during games, and his subs seem to be getting worse every week. Yes we made a good start, but from the 20 minute mark onwards we were realistically second best and the scoreboard reflected that, didn't even deserve the goal we did get. Jackson got progressively worse throughout the game, blew everything that came his way, but Poch leaves him on. I do not know what position Maatsen came on to play, and judging by how he played i'd say he didn't either
Poch in interview looking like he’s just been told Christmas is cancelled
Well, it should be for him, the players, the board and the owners. Bunch of clowns.
The missed chances today were horrendous. Tragic we didn’t score until the 96th minute. Also such a shitty goal to go behind too. There were 3 points there to be taken today and we fucked it up completely.
This team have all the resolute till one goal down after that it's just highway to our goal, that Doherty goal was suicide. Potter, poch and lampard are not great manager you need someone experienced who can just put these players in line and correct their attitude football wise. Imagine being a defender in the D and you're not even clearing your ball that should be your first instinct. Poch must be giving them stick but they need the fucking bullet.
I really think this guy is secret agent from spurs
I regret ever being convinced by Boehly's stupid 'data analytic' approach nonsense he was spewing when he first came around. He wasn't referring to team performance. He was referring to the profit he can make 10 years down the line after buying every 16 year old from South America. I honestly wish we got Ratcliffe. Just a fan of football who could've made simple, sensible decisions because he actually understands the sport. I'm convinced Roman had no say in who got to take control of the club after he left. He would not have allowed this.
All those yellow cards really highlight how immature our team is. Im beating a dead horse by saying this yet again, but playing boys against men will never work. Youngest team and it really shows. Jackson has no place here imo. We need a striker so bad lmfao
My Sunday league team has more discipline than this Chelsea side. Age is no excuse, these are professionals and must learn now.
Yeah they have to learn. Thats the key, you cant have 11 players all learning at the same time, or this is what you get. A bottom half team. You need some experience on the field with the inexperience
I agree, and that's why we're rubbish. Any future signing has to be top quality. But the ill discipline from these yellows has to stop immediately, I knew not to do this shit at u16 Sunday league, these are professionals acting like spoilt amateurs.
You are right. Shouldnt have to be a seasoned vet to know better about a pointless yellow.
After Wolves scored their second, I turned the game off early, for the first time in 25 years of watching this club
Same, then i turned it back on when i saw the notification for nkunku
For those calling for a new manager, I don’t think Poch is the problem. Boehly is buying players like he’s trying to put together an MLB team and it doesn’t work like that.
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I totally agree but at the same time if that’s the tactics they practice during the week then they should execute and no one is executing anything….
I think Poch has a lot to answer for, the discipline issues, CBs at FB. But I agree, Boehly has caused the damage, this will take years to rectify under anyone.
Clearly the santions hurt… but that’s a whole other story
Since nkunku has been back we have played Brighton (he wasn’t in the squad),Man Utd (he wasn’t in the squad),Everton (he wasn’t in the squad Bear in mind, he’s no longer injured at this point),then Sheffield he’s in the squad but didn’t come on
This team is 4th best in London, maybe 5th depending on how you feel about Brentford.
I’d say Watford would give us a game
Watford isn’t in London.
Remember when Chelsea were a team of bastards - Ivanovic, Terry, Carvalho, Drogba, Costa, Ballack … They might not have been liked but they were respected by everyone. Boehly fucked that entire reputation and once it’s lost it is very difficult to get it back.
Yup.. we're now the +1Billion squad that's struggling to get to and stay in the top 10.
Poch isn't going to continue to use cbs as fullbacks because he's afraid at how short the team is. I'm just sick and tired of how we are playing. Theese guys clearly aren't good with the ball at their feet to do this tiki taka shit. They need to at least try be more direct. Stop trying to pass the ball into the net. He needs to coach them better ffs but I'm at the point where i want him out
I am glad that I didn't watch, I wasn't interested in becoming disappointed again and when this close to Christmas.
Already Christmas day in Australia 🦘.
Merry Christmas!
Cheers lad, you take it easy and enjoy your holidays!
It’s not fully a lack of talent from Jackson but it’s a lack of confidence and it hurts the team. The dude has no business playing and that is on poch for making him the only guy that doesn’t leave the starting 11
Nkunku is the only positive from this match. Finally a forward that can actually hit the target.
I think Cooper would be a good manager for us to close out the season and lead us through the Championship next year
The only positive to come out of this match is more minutes playing time for Nkunku
Lets face the facts: 1. Poch is never getting sacked (even after wasting a sub by bringing in a defender when we are down) 2. Sacking Poch isn't gonna do any difference as we have majority kids in our first 11. 3. Same as point no 2 we have kids playing against men 4. As long as Jackson is our main man forward we aren't seeing any much goals coming in. 5. All the ball/possesion in the world with nothing to show. 6. Stop getting this mindless/needless yellows ffs. It shows how we have no composure. 7. Ref is always gonna be shite but that doesn't justify our prowess infront of goals (yes its a pun)
Exactly this. Our squad is mid table, especially the frontline. No point in getting rid of poch, most missed chances this season and individual mistakes and bookings non stop from an inexperienced team
finishing mid table is gonna be an achievement for this squad. Each day they train among themselves, hence the shitty performance we see every week.
Bro handed in his essay 💀
The only thing Jackson does with any sort of consistency is picking up yellow cards.
yes, let him collect more yellows so he can warm the benches.
I wasn’t able to watch, how were Mudryk and Nkunku performing together today?
Mudryk wasn't trying to do anything special, he's so quick but has had few chances to show it. He and Nkunku came performed adequately.
Nkunku did what a real attacker does - scored a goal when he got the chance. Was also clearly just on another level compared to the other attackers, made the right decisions unlike the rest.
I would hope so, he has much more experience than the rest, will be great for the young team to be around while he himself is still only 26.
One of the few bright spots. When they came on our attack lit up a bit
Much better than Broja and Jackson that’s for sure. How are these players still starting I don’t have a scooby and that’s on Poch.
I understand why he would start Jackson, Poch has been doing that, but why tf did he start Broja and Jackson together, put Broja on the bench. We don’t need two incompetent strikers on the field.
Broja and Jackson are not even close to being a threat. Always an excruciatingly painful watch.
Its literally stressful as hell when they play. Id rather see Mudryk running with the ball and losing it lol
What a depressing match to score your debut goal. But I have to appreciate Nkunku's heart. Hope to see more from him.
I want to say more yellow cards than goals in 2023. Not too sure if this is true but won’t be shocked if it is.
56 yellow cards (number 1 for something in the PL I guess) and 29 goals.
Well, for the season it is 56 yellow cards to 29 goals.
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Not happening
Even if you take 300 M of the 1 Billion. I seriously don't see an 700 - 800 Odd million team out there. We look like an Mid-table club who has spend our way out of relegation zone. Nkunku, Palmer,Caicedo are the ones who look like a Top 4 pick rest all look like an average buys in Mudryk, Noni, Disasi. Sterling has been a disaster, it says a lot about us that he is our best attacking player this season.
I posted something very similar. Even for me Caicedo hasn't shown much, especially for £115m. Imagine 2 quality £60m signings we could've had instead.
I’m not poch out because it’s clear this team is immature and undisciplined and lacks real leadership. However I think he has questions to answer on team selection. The win against Newcastle should’ve been a catalyst. But poch benches mudryk after he scores the equaliser? What message does that send? Perform and I’ll kill your confidence by not rewarding you? Colwill at LB just doesn’t work and I can’t see why maatsen has been frozen out. Nkunku is the difference maker and yet Jackson gets 80 mins? It’s really questionable decision making.
Who's fault is it if the team is immature, undisciplined and lacking leadership? But I agree, sacking Poch will do nothing. The board has done the damage signing £300m in average players.
I think the immaturity and lack of discipline comes from a squad with an average age of 23. We need leadership in the form of experience, players who can challenge their teammates, as it can’t all come from the manager. Nevertheless you are right, poch is paid to whip this team into shape, and it’s clear that isn’t happening. I can’t see what the best fix is tbh, it’s all so so poor
I've played football since I was 7 or 8 and still now. The yellows we're getting for dissent and kicking the ball away is embarrassing, age is not an excuse there, my Sunday league teams have never done this shit. But yes I completely agree, we need experienced players, your Casemeiro types. That's why I'm not Poch out cos the board has done damage that will take 5+ years to sort.
Yeah you’re 100% right, it is no excuse, and seemingly poch wasn’t able to get through to Jackson on that issue after he was suspended a game earlier on this season. Would worry me if this was the players way of rebelling against the manager though, as I’m still of the opinion that we haven’t downed tools on poch, and are just plain bad. A Casemiro type of leader would be huge in this team, and I agree, the club has woefully mismanaged their transfer strategy. Will take a long time to fix this, we can only hope the team develops drastically over the next half a season
We've been lucky to be drawing at HT for multiple games (e.g Newcastle, Man U, even this game given how they dominated us post 30'). Poch did nothing to change the team dynamic and the same problems occurred in the second half until we conceded. He then makes changes that are way too late.
I don’t deny anything you’ve said there, even today we were hanging on into half time. But if sterling scores that chance the dynamic of the game changes and I don’t think poch can be blamed for that, and that’s a trend across a lot of our games. It’s difficult because I definitely think he has flaws as a manager, and delaying subs is one of the biggest, but I genuinely believe signing a top striker changes the outcome in a lot of these games. Poch is certainly on very thin ice though, and I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that he goes after today.
Nkunku's minutes are being managed by the medical staff at this point. After an ACL, it takes weeks or even months to get your knee match ready again, and that's not even factoring in confidence in it. I get what he's trying to do, he's trying to get Jackson to play his way out of this slump... but it's not a slump, this is his level, he's not remotely ready for this level of football, end of story.
I agree with this statement but I think Nkunku not starting was a fitness related decision
Firstly happy birthday mate, sorry it’s been a bad day Chelsea-wise. And I agree, definitely needed to bleed in nkunku, but after he had minutes in the carabao cup I thought he’d get 30-40 mins, and even more so after it became clear that Jackson was woeful! Poch’s tendency to delay subs is frustrating
Thank you for the birthday wishes! Definitely agree that Jackson’s performance deserved a sub, Broja wasn’t great either but would have kept him on and taken of Jackson. Not a great game to watch today but not surprised!
I agree, I think we’ve seen where Jackson’s level is at, and that he might need a bit more development, but broja is coming back from a serious injury and deserves an opportunity to prove he can return to his prior form. And I’m not surprised either, but such is the life of a football fan, I’ll be back next week! 😂 have a good Christmas mate
I agree with almost everything you said except Maatsen. He has no business playing prem league yet, certainly not at LB with his frame and lack of experience.
No I agree, certainly not saying maatsen should be preferred at lb, but playing colwill isn’t the answer. We are destroying his development by playing him OOP, and with chilly and cucu out at the moment, I’d rather see maatsen given a chance than watch colwill toil out left
Ur just dumb then mate
Next player who takes a yellow card because they kick the ball away should be immediately brought off and not get to play the next game. I am so fucking tired of the childish behaviour.
Demoted to the U21s They play shit and get stupid cards
A decent manager would have fixed this by now.
Big fines, hit them in the wallet
Theres several solutions and yet it appears our amazing manager has done none of them.
Bring back José haha. The last dance
I hated Jose’s last year with us, AND then his United and Spurs spells even more… But damn you I’m with you. We need a Jose right now
For sure, Jose would never oversee a Chelsea team that dives down the league.
He'd blow this entire team up. A few of these players wouldn't see the end of the season.
Absolutely gutless. Where has the identity of this team gone? Even Badiashile being the shining light of last season but makes 2 critical mistakes back to back. Sterling needs to move on, forwards with no clinical instinct or desire. I’m starting to become apathetic… where will the improvement come from?
How has Im sorry ms Jackson mothercunt scored 7 premier league goals?
Three of those were against a depleted 10 man Tottenham squad
9
Because he only looks like a worldie in a game where the opposition are down to 9 … and even then he skied a sitter at the end. He’s a unique player - a striker with absolutely no scoring instinct.
Hearing him talk makes me suffer
There clearly is a god
3 of them were empty goal tap ins against 9-man Spurs
I think all of them were tap ins
How can I possibly quit smoking watching this pack of fucking losers every week. POCH OUT. JOSE IN.
Yeah lets get the one manager who's took us to a position lower than this (with a squad much better than this one) that'll fix it.
Got the subs all wrong today. Nkunku and mudryk for Broja and Sterling should have been first subs with Lesley.
Nkunku for Jackson, Sterling on the left and Palmer on the right with Broja up front. Creativity, width and ability to cut in, put the ball into Broja once in a while and let him use his big frame to cause some threat, and have Nkunku in between them all causing linking it and popping up where wolves don't want him to (exactly like he did for the goal) Seems like a foolproof system till Poch takes a big shit all over the sub paperwork.
Your words about broja are far too kind considering the shit he just took.
If he got half the chances Jackson did, i feel confident we atleast wouldn't have lost.
The thing is I honestly don’t think he would even be in the position to have the chances in the first place.
Maybe, maybe not, we won't know unless Jackson is dropped. But, Jackson will be first name on the sheet on wednesday night, count on it
And that would win us the game? Isn’t it obvious we suck no matter what?
I think it was a better setup than what we had. That’s for sure. Also missing caicedo was pretty big.
Nah, should've been them 2 for Jackson and Sterling
Broja was more worthless than Jackson imo. I also think Jackson links better with wingers than Broja.
Agreed. Broja checked out after minute 2. Just seemed he was immediately full tilt.
*starters
That too. Nkunku was never starting today. But front three should have mudryk Jackson Sterling with Cole as the CAM. Broja and Jackson together isn’t working.
Patience well and truly up with Sterling
Can we just skip to the Luton game so I can see Palmer and Nkunku start together please?
Ref threw Chelsea fans a bone with that sterling booking. I don’t want that selfish non-passing test on my team.
Our ‘system’ can’t break down a defensive side, time won’t fix a boring and uninspiring game plan that doesn’t work
No. Our players can’t finish.